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Klandi	Posted - 2008.05.01 09:43:00 - [61] Deviana My main was not scanned and was destroyed because of the possibility of faction stuff, cos as u know - u can't scan online mods. As I have stated in my previous posts - this is part of the game and whether it is right or wrong is what we are debating. This is how we choose to waste our time.... Nothing will alter the fact that it is a game mechanic and there will be no retribution for groups that gank other groups, either for the "right" reasons of protecting "my" space, or the "wrong" reasons of hi-sec ganking because it is part of who you are - lazy and inconsiderate Live with it
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.01 10:04:00 - [62] How did you know you were not scanned earlier Klandi? You said you were running missions earlier so it is quite possible that they knew what type of mods you had aboard. They could have used a passive targeter to scan, which you did not notice. Suicide gankers do not like to throw ISK at ships with Tech 2 or only cheap faction stuff. My post was also a kind of joke, I did not mean to flame you, sorry.
Klandi	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:03:00 - [63] Deviana I did and do not take offense to anything that is posted because text based messages can always be mis-interpreted. About the scanning - pls correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is NOT possible to scan mods that are installed - only stuff in your hold?
Tala Sasaki	Posted - 2008.05.01 11:11:00 - [64] Originally by: Klandi Deviana I did and do not take offense to anything that is posted because text based messages can always be mis-interpreted. About the scanning - pls correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is NOT possible to scan mods that are installed - only stuff in your hold? I think it may be possible with a ship scanner.
Scout 99	Posted - 2008.05.01 12:06:00 - [65] Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto There is no "safe" in eve, EVER. <docks> Oh and in case you then say "in space then" my reply will be <cloaks>
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.05.01 14:05:00 - [66] Originally by: Klandi Deviana I did and do not take offense to anything that is posted because text based messages can always be mis-interpreted. About the scanning - pls correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is NOT possible to scan mods that are installed - only stuff in your hold? Passive Targeter + Ship Scanner + an innoffensive looking ship and character at the gate/station = full list of modules you've fitted delivered to the gank squad waiting for you. I've done it myself (scanned down ships without them knowing) in a 1 hour old alt in a frigate.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.01 14:37:00 - [67] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Raven: 88 Million Insurance: 32 Million 6* Torp Launchers = Hahaaha,, Lets be kind and say 1 mil. 300 Rounds of Faction Torps = 1 mil. Total Cost: 124 million. Insurance payout: 108 million. Total Cost: 16 million. In addition, the Raven is not the best bang / buck BS. I will not give a fricken recipe for lazy/ignorant people to use for activities I do not approve of, so this prohibits me from proving my statement. If that causes people to ignore my statement, well, so be it. It's not hard to figure out though, and there is more then one option.
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.01 14:45:00 - [68] Originally by: Klandi Deviana I did and do not take offense to anything that is posted because text based messages can always be mis-interpreted. About the scanning - pls correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is NOT possible to scan mods that are installed - only stuff in your hold? Ship Scanners.
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr SPORADIC MOVEMENT HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.05.01 15:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Hanneshannes Edited by: Hanneshannes on 01/05/2008 14:46:07 Originally by: Klandi Deviana I did and do not take offense to anything that is posted because text based messages can always be mis-interpreted. About the scanning - pls correct me if I am wrong but I believe it is NOT possible to scan mods that are installed - only stuff in your hold? Ship Scanners. Btw is it true that ships that passive target and scan you get stuck on your overview? Could very well be true, would account for the ships 'stuck' in my overview whenever i haul through High Sec.
Max Nero Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.05.01 20:43:00 - [70] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Raven: 88 Million Insurance: 32 Million 6* Torp Launchers = Hahaaha,, Lets be kind and say 1 mil. 300 Rounds of Faction Torps = 1 mil. Total Cost: 124 million. Insurance payout: 108 million. Total Cost: 16 million. Good luck ganking with that setup... Originally by: Qui Shon In addition, the Raven is not the best bang / buck BS. I will not give a fricken recipe for lazy/ignorant people to use for activities I do not approve of, so this prohibits me from proving my statement. If that causes people to ignore my statement, well, so be it. It's not hard to figure out though, and there is more then one option. Again, my question to both of you - Qui Shon and Jmanis Catharg - how many people have you ganked? I mean - over 2b in mods CNR's? If you say that there is no risk/cost when it comes to suicide ganking - then you are the one who is ignorant. Yes, you can setup dirt cheap best bang / buck BS but in the long run - it will get you nowhere. Think about the following statement long and hard - "With enough people, one can use Ibis to gank". If you are still confused - convo me in-game.
Sinulan Kahn Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.02 16:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Max Nero} Think about the following statement long and hard - "With enough people, one can use Ibis to gank". If you are still confused - convo me in-game.[/quote RATPACK!!! FLEE!! FLEE!!! Seriously, noob here wondering whats the best defense when somebody shows up in your high-sec mission. Warp out? Continue collecting whatever you can from the battlefield and leave? Or, eject from ur ship and hope that confuses them long enough to get ur pod back to spacedock? Basically, if this happens, am i dead?
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.02 21:15:00 - [72] Originally by: Max Nero Again, my question to both of you - Qui Shon and Jmanis Catharg - how many people have you ganked? I mean - over 2b in mods CNR's? If you say that there is no risk/cost when it comes to suicide ganking - then you are the one who is ignorant. Yes, you can setup dirt cheap best bang / buck BS but in the long run - it will get you nowhere. Think about the following statement long and hard - "With enough people, one can use Ibis to gank". If you are still confused - convo me in-game. Lol, no, I'm not confused. Sure you can introduce risk to increase efficiency or at least potential reward. This is true of every single activity. Like missionrunning, or hauling. And yet, a hauler pilot taking risks is usually berated as a moron on this here forum, and the "missionrunning is riskfree" mantra is repeated enough to be a permanent echo. I'm glad a suicide-ganker-pirate like yourself (?) sees the folly of those statements, or at least their limitation to inefficient and unproductive operations.
Wa'roun Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.03 19:42:00 - [73] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/04/2008 18:35:24 Someone just got ganked. No, I think it's more the fact that it's ***** hilarious when people go ape** over losing virtual stuff in an internets spaceships game. Time spent in front of the computer is not virtual.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.05.03 20:08:00 - [74] Quote: Time spent in front of the computer is not virtual. You spend time in front of the computer to play a game. If you play a game so you can make ISK, then your priorities are **** up. Ganking is an intended game mechanic. Many people seem to think that "WoW is that way ------>" is just trolling...But it's not. If you go ape** every time you lose a ship and just want to PVE all the time, then WoW is a much better game for you. Or Freelancer.
Avaster Dolong	Posted - 2008.05.03 21:24:00 - [75] Edited by: Avaster Dolong on 03/05/2008 21:24:24 i have only been playing a few months but it amazes me how many ppl moan about the game.if you don't like it don't play. i do agree that suicide ganking is annoying and should have some penalty but hey it hasn't so get used to it.eve is about this sort of thing and for me makes the game more interesting than wow etc any day..pvp is fun. ive lost ships and then go mining again so i can replace and start again.my skills are far from complete and it shows,but its what makes the game fun for me..
Halkin Locus Solus	Posted - 2008.05.04 11:14:00 - [76] Originally by: Death4free what the hell r u guna spend it on srsly more officer/faction mods 4 ur ship mubu a cnr if u dont have 1 and thats it carebears just hoard isk its worse than market pvp which is atleast midly exciting and uses your isk along with the risk factor i no srly rofl!11!!
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.04 11:20:00 - [77] Originally by: Sinulan Kahn Originally by: Max Nero} Think about the following statement long and hard - "With enough people, one can use Ibis to gank". If you are still confused - convo me in-game.[/quote RATPACK!!! FLEE!! FLEE!!! Seriously, noob here wondering whats the best defense when somebody shows up in your high-sec mission. Warp out? Continue collecting whatever you can from the battlefield and leave? Or, eject from ur ship and hope that confuses them long enough to get ur pod back to spacedock? Basically, if this happens, am i dead? You should be alligned in most missions nyway and if someone shows up, hit that warp button.
Gentle Miner School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.04 11:20:00 - [78] If you are against suicide ganking then vote for Ankhesentapemkah on the 5th of May for CSM. She has great ideas of how to make Eve a better place for everyone.
Death4free Caldari Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.05.04 11:20:00 - [79] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Or Freelancer. freelancer was an awesome game but asfar as i can remmeber u can be ganked there too..........
Hayward Cyprus Caldari Cyprus Limited	Posted - 2008.05.05 11:39:00 - [80] Edited by: Hayward Cyprus on 05/05/2008 11:41:14 Originally by: Spud Gunn Originally by: Klandi I spent MANY hours (over 9 mths) of lvl4 missions to build up the isk to buy those mods cos they helped me do the job of making isk to buy other ships so I can enjoy the game in the way I wish to. The time spent is the true thing I was robbed of and my sense of fairness (or lack of it) within the game frustrates me. Do you think those gankers gain any less pleasure from ruining people's days than you do from running missions? How can you judge them for enjoying the game the way they wish to? For all you know, they felt equally robbed and their sense of fairness offended when all your shiny stuff blew up with your wreck and they only got the crappy mods they didn't want... Omg, mate, can you be happy that I don't get any fun out of insert the meanest form of torture or taking away posessions or whatever here, after all how could you refuse me that fun? CCP just has to fix risk vs. reward, there is no risk in high sec ganking/spoiling other peoples game, because the game does not support retaliation. While you can set up traps for these guys (not the gankers tho), there is no way to get proper revenge after what they did to you. Having fun in blowing up hundreds of hours of hard work from other people who clearly do not concent to PVPing with that (esp. where there is no need to do such) can only be done by ... i can't find any expression for how low you people are, sry. It's about on the same level as corp theft, I mean, the game supports that too... doesn't mean it's right tho, it's prolly even lower. Anyways CCP should fix high sec, yes it's supposed to be a safe place, only people found ways around that. Wars are to prevent people from hiding in high sec, so you can force them to fight there. Apart from that there should be no players able to attack others (or take their stuff for that matter), which is not real Player vs. Player. This could be easily implemented, CCP is just too lazy to do it. And if you complain about that being wrong, because it's a pvp game or something, go to low sec or 0.0, you can find real PVP there. Hayward Cyprus
Strak Yogorn Amarr Mind Warpers	Posted - 2008.05.05 12:02:00 - [81] Edited by: Strak Yogorn on 05/05/2008 12:02:28 Originally by: Hayward Cyprus CCP just has to fix risk vs. reward, there is no risk in high sec ganking/spoiling other peoples game, because the game does not support retaliation. While you can set up traps for these guys (not the gankers tho), there is no way to get proper revenge after what they did to you. Anyways CCP should fix high sec, yes it's supposed to be a safe place, only people found ways around that. you get kill rights if you get ganked, now you got a free pass to get even. and no, highsec is NOT supposed to be SAFE, but SAFER, so theres nothing to be fixed, as nothing is broken, the sooner ppl learn that, the better for everyone.
Spud Gunn	Posted - 2008.05.05 12:04:00 - [82] Originally by: Hayward Cyprus CCP just has to fix risk vs. reward, You can do that yourself; don't fly a faction-fitted ship for grinding missions. You're taking the risk, and getting a reward in terms of faster mission running. Quote: there is no risk in high sec ganking/spoiling other peoples game, because the game does not support retaliation. You get kill rights if your ship is deatroyed in highsec. Even if they don't kill you, they're still aggression flagged for 15 minutes. Concord blows up the perpetrators at the scene of the crime either way. What more do you want? Quote: It's about on the same level as corp theft, I mean, the game supports that too... doesn't mean it's right tho, it's prolly even lower. What part of "legitimate game mechanic" do you not understand? Do you think it's unfair when someone puts up an item for sale at a lower price than yours? Quote: Anyways CCP should fix high sec, yes it's supposed to be a safe place, only people found ways around that. Wars are to prevent people from hiding in high sec, so you can force them to fight there. Whoah, what the hell? Highsec was never, ever "supposed" to be "safe", despite how much people would like to think of it as such. You leave yourself open to attack the second you undock from a station - thinking that highsec is safe is exactly the reason people get so bent out of shape when people play exactly as the developers intended. The fact that the game isn't how you'd like it to be is neither here nor there. Quote: Apart from that there should be no players able to attack others (or take their stuff for that matter), which is not real Player vs. Player. This could be easily implemented, CCP is just too lazy to do it. Yes, it would be very very easy to implement. And yet they haven't, despite years of people whining about it. What does that suggest to you? TL;DR version: Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose; don't hate the player, hate the game.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.05.05 13:50:00 - [83] Edited by: Qui Shon on 05/05/2008 13:52:00 Edited by: Qui Shon on 05/05/2008 13:51:29 Originally by: Spud Gunn You can do that yourself; don't fly a faction-fitted ship for grinding missions. You're taking the risk, and getting a reward in terms of faster mission running. ... You get kill rights if your ship is deatroyed in highsec. Even if they don't kill you, they're still aggression flagged for 15 minutes. Concord blows up the perpetrators at the scene of the crime either way. What more do you want? Real risk and a real cost for su-ganking, thank you. As per your former statement, the missionrunning risk vs reward is already working properly. Removing insurance is one way to achieve, if not parity, at least some balance in gankers vs missionrunners. Quote: TL;DR version: Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose; don't hate the player, hate the game. The player is the "game" ; No player, no game. Hate the player, or change the game. In rl, changing the game is either very hard or impossible. Fortunately changing the virtual game is easy, for CCP. We just need to get those gankerpies at CCP to finally see reason (Note that I'm not actually advocating hatred towards anyone, just using the terms of the old saying.)
Boon McBwen Caldari BoonDock Avengers	Posted - 2008.05.05 15:11:00 - [84] Personally, i'm about ready to give up on battleships all together and start working on T2 ships. Sunk too much into the CNR and dont care to repeat it.
Marlsh Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.05 15:39:00 - [85] Edited by: Marlsh on 05/05/2008 15:40:16 It's realy not that complicated. Fly in high sec as you would in low sec or 0.0. THis will not only improve your ability to survive but if you should ever want to leave empire it may help to have the proper mind set to survive there as well. 1.) Don't undock with anything your not willing to lose 2.) Trust nobody 3.) Watch Local 4.) Don't pick a fight you can't win 5.) Watch Local 6.) Trust nobody Eve is PvP. There is no safe place to be other than docked and even that may change one day so if it gets to real for you to deal with then I would suggest you find another mode of keeping yourself entertained. I run missions in Empire to make cash, nothing more. I don't run billons in faction gear to do it as it isn't needed. If you want to run faction gear then just understand you place yourself at risk and the only way to mitigate that risk is to keep your situational awarness high or simply to "not" equip your goose to drop the golden egg(s). "Never resist a temporary inconvenience if it results in a permanent improvement"
Hayward Cyprus Caldari Cyprus Limited	Posted - 2008.05.05 15:55:00 - [86] Originally by: Spud Gunn Originally by: Hayward Cyprus CCP just has to fix risk vs. reward, Quote: You can do that yourself; don't fly a faction-fitted ship for grinding missions. You're taking the risk, and getting a reward in terms of faster mission running. lol so tell me, where is the risk for the gankers? Quote: You get kill rights if your ship is destroyed in highsec. Even if they don't kill you, they're still aggression flagged for 15 minutes. Concord blows up the perpetrators at the scene of the crime either way. What more do you want? Kill rights? lolz, very funny, a flipcanganked newbie can really take revenge on that older player with tons more skills and bigger ships now, can't he? Not even the older player can with an apropriate investment of time and money, Kill rights are a complete failure. Quote: What part of "legitimate game mechanic" do you not understand? Do you think it's unfair when someone puts up an item for sale at a lower price than yours? Do you understand the principles of good and bad and wrong and right? Thought so.... and what does corp theft have to do with market orders ??? Quote: Whoah, what the hell? Highsec was never, ever "supposed" to be "safe", despite how much people would like to think of it as such. You leave yourself open to attack the second you undock from a station - thinking that highsec is safe is exactly the reason people get so bent out of shape when people play exactly as the developers intended. The fact that the game isn't how you'd like it to be is neither here nor there. Here is one out of the FAQ about eve for you: "Though there are certainly some players who have already amassed a great deal of wealth and equipment, this will not affect your ability to advance in the game competitively. There are starting areas for new players where you will be safe until you have gained enough skill and experience to venture out into the wilder, more aggressive areas of space." I've highlighted the apropriate section for you, where do you think that area is? Low Sec and NoSec are for PvP, anything apart from wars in high sec has nothing to do with PvP, it's only about finding strange game mechanics with which you can hurt or grief other players. People do that despite the fact, that they know exactly how they hurt people and also despite there are numerous other ways to really earn money and not just get it. Tells you a lot about the quality of their real life character. Obviously CCP wants those kind of players in the game, it doesn't change the fact what they are tho. Problem is you can't trust anyone anywhere in EVE... Sorry but any so called PVP (apart from wars) in high sec is a complete failure right now... Hayward
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:09:00 - [87] Originally by: Hayward Cyprus Here is one out of the FAQ about eve for you: "Though there are certainly some players who have already amassed a great deal of wealth and equipment, this will not affect your ability to advance in the game competitively. There are starting areas for new players where you will be safe until you have gained enough skill and experience to venture out into the wilder, more aggressive areas of space." I've highlighted the apropriate section for you, where do you think that area is? Low Sec and NoSec are for PvP, anything apart from wars in high sec has nothing to do with PvP That's some selective quote and context, or reading comprehension goofiness right there. That quote is from the introductory FAQ, and the information is addressed to people who are deciding whether to try EVE for the first time. So it's not making a sweeping statement about all of hisec being perfectly safe for everybody, let alone long time mission runners losing their faction modules and CNRs. It's talking about completely new players in the starter systems. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Spud Gunn	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:51:00 - [88] I was going to reply point-by-point, but my face is embedded too deeply in my palm from you comparing canflipping newbies with suicide ganking someone's faction-fitted CNR for profit.
Knobbing Everyone	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:37:00 - [89] Warning: Alt post Last night I came to the conclusion that Eve does indeed favour the pirate and griefer... Returned from a mission, jumped through a gate (yes I use a facton fit CNR, because I worked for weeks to afford the modules), and lots of nice yellow people went red. Didn't have a chance to online anything before I was in hull and Concord didn't stop the ship from popping. This was all in high-sec.. 9 months of playing pretty much ruined by pirate scum in seconds. - Valid game mechanic...I suppose... - Valid way of having those not interested in PvP considder quitting the game and heading to WoW...definately... (yes I want cheese with that whine)
Boon McBwen Caldari BoonDock Avengers	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:41:00 - [90] Loosing my 2 day old CNR with the nice shiny new faction hardeners and SB amp is not gonna deter me from eve. If it cost me upwards of a billion isk to learn the lesson i did, well so be it. Besides, i can earn that back in a few days. EZ come, EZ go.

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