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Sharp Feather Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:32:00 - [1] So yeah, Im training some big skills atm and I was like; yay while this character learn his MWD skills I will make a miner and mine while waiting... but wth, I cant learn stuff while the other character is learning other stuff. So whats the point of alts? Why is made that way? I really hate restraining freedom, Im a new player and I find this feature really lame. PS: If you find my english silly then try to speak french as well as I speak english and then you can say stuff.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:35:00 - [2] It's pretty much to try out different characters, but mostly, it's abused to make semi-anonymous posts that you wouldn't want to make with your main character. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:36:00 - [3] becase with alts I can have more science, manufactoring , market slots and chactacters in more places than 1 OK so I loose out on some training on my main but they can be very specific in thier training. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
XiaoChaBor	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Sharp Feather PS: If you find my english silly then try to speak french as well as I speak english and then you can say stuff. Bon soir, mademoiselle! cough yep, that's about the extent of my knowledge of french.
Brisi Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:38:00 - [5] So what do you think would happen if people could train all 3 characters at once? Every single person in EVE would have a fighter character, an industrial character and a capital character. This would be bad, since nobody was forced to specialise and everybody could in theory do everything in a third of the time it would normally take. The two extra slots you get is purely for trying out other race/bloodline combinations. In addition, they can be used as scouts, infiltrators, haulers (won't take more than a few hours to train for a hauler nowadays). There are no other games out there where you can level multiple characters without paying for additional accounts, EVE is no different. Resistance is Fertile.
Yussef Amarr Dark Skullz Empire Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:38:00 - [6] I use mine to transport stuff across empire when there's a war dec.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:43:00 - [7] Originally by: RaTTuS becase with alts I can have more science, manufactoring , market slots and chactacters in more places than 1 OK so I loose out on some training on my main but they can be very specific in thier training. Or you could get a temporary account to train them up and then transfer your alts to your main account after they got their desired level of skills. Ok. Sorta expensive, but the things you do for ~~love~~ skillpoints. But alts can be quite useful. Science alts. Anonymous trading/hauling characters that you can use to sell and move stuff without revealing the source. There is also the "spy alt" for both 0.0 and empire warfare that you can use to scout out your opponents and/or their defenses without revealing who is doing the investigating. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:46:00 - [8] Originally by: Brisi There are no other games out there where you can level multiple characters without paying for additional accounts, EVE is no different. Part of the problem, I think, is that most MMOs are "time-sink balanced" towards playing, say, 4h a day (completely random and unsubstantiated number), which means that if you really want to you can go into grind mode and put the time in to level up multiple same-account characters at once. In EVE, due to how the skill training system works, this is not the case. The account does the work for you, in a way, and grinds away 24h a day regardless of what you, the player, do. The price you pay for this automation is the loss of any ability to speed up the process by playing more. They'd have to completely rework the training system - most likely to follow a classical "per time in-game" model - if they wanted to include multi-character levelling and still maintain the game balance.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Tippia The price you pay for this automation is the loss of any ability to speed up the process by playing more. Ehm... Yes you can. Get enough ISK to buy +5 implants. 'nuff said. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Freya Runestone Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:50:00 - [10] Edited by: Freya Runestone on 29/04/2008 14:55:25 you can make a very competent trader without any skill training, just with the starting SP (about 1 million iirc) I might be missing something, but wouldn't training for a hauler be kind of useless? seeing how you have to take time away from main to do it anyway, and your main probably already has the racial frigate skill anyway, couldn't you just train on your main? :p Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Brisi There are no other games out there where you can level multiple characters without paying for additional accounts, EVE is no different. Part of the problem, I think, is that most MMOs are "time-sink balanced" towards playing, say, 4h a day (completely random and unsubstantiated number), which means that if you really want to you can go into grind mode and put the time in to level up multiple same-account characters at once. In EVE, due to how the skill training system works, this is not the case. The account does the work for you, in a way, and grinds away 24h a day regardless of what you, the player, do. The price you pay for this automation is the loss of any ability to speed up the process by playing more. They'd have to completely rework the training system - most likely to follow a classical "per time in-game" model - if they wanted to include multi-character leveling and still maintain the game balance. In most MMO's the time you use is not equal to the amount of leveling you do. You can level more or less efficiently, a level can take 1h for 1 guy and 10h for someone else, same level, same "class" And EVE is not completely different, advanced learning skills cost a lot to a new player, I think it's like 2mil per book? Implants are expensive if you play only a small amount of time, but speed it up too. Although, the system does favor the casual player, but working a bit harder does pay off.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:52:00 - [11] Edited by: Tippia on 29/04/2008 14:53:52 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Ehm... Yes you can. Get enough ISK to buy +5 implants. 'nuff said. I'd still consider that speeding things up by paying more - no "l" Still, having +5 implants makes for a rather insignificant improvement compared to playing 18hrs a day instead of 3-4 in a "level/time online" game...
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:55:00 - [12] Checking market prices in other regions ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.04.29 14:59:00 - [13] Alt allow you to avoid consequence of action. They allow you to anonymise anything you do in Eve. I can't imagine what absence of thought occurred in the meeting where it was decided that alts were a good thing. --- "Tsssssssssst." trained to level 5. 95% less desire to reply to posts by 15 year olds per level.
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.29 15:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Tippia The price you pay for this automation is the loss of any ability to speed up the process by playing more. Ehm... Yes you can. Get enough ISK to buy +5 implants. 'nuff said. Ahh.. but first you have to TRAIN UP ENOUGH to actually be able to USE the +5 implants. Also, if your learning skills suck, then +5 implants don't really help all that much. Again, back to training up. Getting all learning skills to 5, and implant skills to 5 means about 3 solid months (at least) of nothing but learning and cybernetics training before it really pays off. In the meantime you can't do much of anything else. Also, +5 implants, even through the LP store, are INCREDIBLY expensive for a new character. Now, maybe if you have a 2 or 3 year old character who is a billionaire already and can just give the new character the implants, or if you can get them from your corp, then you might have a point. But most new players cannot do that, and I know of very few corps that will give out +5 implants like that. There really isn't a viable shortcut for training in EvE. So there is a real tradeoff. Time vs automation. And that's a good thing.
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.29 15:02:00 - [15] name one game mainstream-mmo where you can gain simultaneous XP on multiple characters on the same account. and don't say WoW, because you'd be wrong.
Ishikari Gallente Ishikari Industries	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:14:00 - [16] I use mine to have extra characters to throw short time blueprints in the labs. 6 per alt using the right bloodline ftw. -------------------------- Ishikari Industries Researchers of BPO's and BPC's Visit our Shop Today!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Sharp Feather So yeah, Im training some big skills atm and I was like; yay while this character learn his MWD skills I will make a miner and mine while waiting... but wth, I cant learn stuff while the other character is learning other stuff. So whats the point of alts? Why is made that way? I really hate restraining freedom, Im a new player and I find this feature really lame. PS: If you find my english silly then try to speak french as well as I speak english and then you can say stuff. Um, skills aren't everything. Sometimes just being there is enough. Alts start with great skills these days as well. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Kuranta Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:19:00 - [18] Edited by: Kuranta on 29/04/2008 16:21:12 Edited by: Kuranta on 29/04/2008 16:20:37 Edit: I fail at reading.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:31:00 - [19] I use one alt to collect RPs for datacores. It's not much but it already paid the investment. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
Fanjita	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Tippia The price you pay for this automation is the loss of any ability to speed up the process by playing more. Ehm... Yes you can. Get enough ISK to buy +5 implants. 'nuff said. Erm no you cant thats a boost for an isk paymnent its not a boost for PLAYING more ltr
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:40:00 - [21] I have an account with 55/31/13 M SP chars on it, they all trained to start with on their own accounts, but over time they each got to a point where they 'did' enough things on their own that I didn't need to keep paying to train all 3, so I transfered them to the one account. This way I can be in one region log out and in and be in another, and then the same and be in a third place with 3 different characters (albeit not at once). For some things like build slots / research / market slots etc, you only get more at once by having more characters. Sometimes it's just good to have another char in a region even with no skills to check the market and compare to another region.
Thenoran Caldari Knights of MADD Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:47:00 - [22] Industry/Science alt can be helpful, though how one would transfer the researched BPO's back to the main...? ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.29 16:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Fanjita Erm no you cant thats a boost for an isk paymnent its not a boost for PLAYING more ltr Well, you're not going to get that kind of ISK by just sitting around twiddling your thumbs. And in EVE ISK is what your effort generates. Just like other games generate XP and gold (or whatever they call their equivalent). Although in most other games you can't really convert Gold into XP the way you can through implants. As for getting your researched BPOs etc over to your main. Private contract. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Kash Ka Amarr Cosmic Vacum Cleaners	Posted - 2008.04.29 17:56:00 - [24] Edited by: Kash Ka on 29/04/2008 17:56:31 Alts are reallyhandy, the chars start of with quite a bit. I used to pirate alot, and made a hauler alt so i could buy stuff in high sec. Then i made a market alt to sell all the loots i got ect. The market alt is able to sell, i think its, 48 items at once without training a single thing, handy ha. --------------==============================-------------- Forgiveness is between you and god, im just here to arrange the meeting.
Schalac Caldari Brotherhood of Wolves	Posted - 2008.04.29 18:04:00 - [25] Originally by: ry ry name one game mainstream-mmo where you can gain simultaneous XP on multiple characters on the same account. and don't say WoW, because you'd be wrong. Sword of the New World allows you to level 3 characters at the same time. Hmm idea for eve. Instead of your account being 1 pod pilot, you can control a wing. Imagine the possibilities... Oh wait, I already do that.
Arkios Odymei Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.04.29 18:10:00 - [26] I only have 1 account. On it is my Main (me) and 2 alts that I use. The first is and alt that i trained for about 45 minutes in order to fly a Bestower, and I use that for transporting goods when my mains sec status is too low to enter Hi-sec. The Second is a fresh-out-of-the-box trader alt which I use for doing station trading. Its not as great of a money maker as, say a fully trained up trade character... but it makes profit. Maybe one day I'll buy an actual trading char and replace this n00b alt... meh. ------------------------------------------------------------------
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.29 18:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Tarminic It's pretty much to try out different characters, but mostly, it's abused to make semi-anonymous posts that you wouldn't want to make with your main character. Lets not forget scamming, spying and scouting. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.04.29 18:39:00 - [28] Edited by: Ulstan on 29/04/2008 18:41:05 a) Anonymous forum smacktalking b) Market alts in different hubs c) Scamming people and infiltrating other corps d) Going on suicide scouting missions e) Very specific jobs that don't require a ton of training and are only performed somewhat rarely(hauling, POS stuff, etc)
Repentant Sinner	Posted - 2008.04.29 18:49:00 - [29] Edited by: Repentant Sinner on 29/04/2008 18:51:35 It's nice to have alts in different regions for price checking. Sure, you could use a friend or corp mate but then your plans would be known. It seems to be handy to have an alt for hauling supplies if your corp is at war. If the CEO of a corp has only corp skills (an alt) it acts as a "place holder" for the corp. That way members can leave the corp for other endeavors without destroying the corp or losing control. You can buy LARGE quantities of materials without drawing attention to the real corp that's building whatever. Obviously there are many alt spies about. You can use a low skill alt as cannon fodder for gate jumping in unknown/hostile territory. there are many other less well known uses as well, but best to leave those purposes alone for right now. Wasn't there a quote in one of the Dune books about "plans within plans within plans" ? The system is fine as is. EDIT: typo
OffBeaT	Posted - 2008.04.29 19:05:00 - [30] too save names faces. thats what i use mine for..

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