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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
476
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Posted - 2012.03.03 21:52:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:I think Nex right now is indeed fail, but I do think its a perfect platform for such things as +6 and +7 learning implants.
So what you are saying is that you would favor having P2W items in the NeX.
No. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
762
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:02:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:TriadSte wrote:I think Nex right now is indeed fail, but I do think its a perfect platform for such things as +6 and +7 learning implants.
So what you are saying is that you would favor having P2W items in the NeX.
Pay to win?
Hardly. Pay to sit in a station in more fear than people now do when wearing improved.
On top of that. WTF is the difference between an implant being bought with arum and put on the market compared to how it is now? Getting it as a reward or a drop and being put on the market. Either way it's simply popped into existence through no effort on the part of the player. Implants are not manufactured.
You picked the wrong example, Doc.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
476
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:10:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Doc Fury wrote:TriadSte wrote:I think Nex right now is indeed fail, but I do think its a perfect platform for such things as +6 and +7 learning implants.
So what you are saying is that you would favor having P2W items in the NeX. Pay to win? Hardly. Pay to sit in a station in more fear than people now do when wearing improved. On top of that. WTF is the difference between an implant being bought with arum and put on the market compared to how it is now? Getting it as a reward or a drop and being put on the market. Either way it's simply popped into existence through no effort on the part of the player. Implants are not manufactured. You picked the wrong example, Doc. Mr Epeen 
It's no different than gold ammo because it is not a vanity only item like space pants and paint-jobs.
Most Implants on the market are also initially redeemed and paid for with LP earned by players running missions plus some ISK. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5203
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:25:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:WTF is the difference between an implant being bought with arum and put on the market compared to how it is now? Getting it as a reward or a drop and being put on the market. Either way it's simply popped into existence through no effort on the part of the player. Implants are not manufactured. They are manufactured by running the missions, getting the drops, collecting the LP. They do not GÇ£simply pop into existenceGÇ¥ GÇö they do require effort. The difference between this and plonking down some cash and having something appear out of nowhere is immense.
You're not this clueless. You can stop acting it now. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:WTF is the difference between an implant being bought with arum and put on the market compared to how it is now? Getting it as a reward or a drop and being put on the market. Either way it's simply popped into existence through no effort on the part of the player. Implants are not manufactured. They are manufactured by running the missions, getting the drops, collecting the LP. They do not GÇ£simply pop into existenceGÇ¥ GÇö they do require effort. The difference between this and plonking down some cash and having something appear out of nowhere is immense. You're not this clueless. You can stop acting it now.
AFKing level 4's is less effort than logging into acct management and jumping through the hoops required to make a CC purchase.
Aren't you one of the 'nerf L4 crowd'? You know it's stuff you get for watching YouTube. The only effort required is the patience to skill up a character to level where you can do that. And even then you can simply PLEX a character and you're set. Once you hit yes to the mission agent everything in that instance is created out of nothing. And once you have alt/tabbed out to watch dirty movies, everything you collect is essentially effort free.
I don't run missions by the way and pick up plenty of implants in my travels doing nothing more difficult than clicking open cargo container.
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
593
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:54:00 -
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If CCP fucks up ship paint jobs by making them part of NEX then they have learned NOTHING in the last year. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5204
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:54:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:AFKing level 4's is less effort than logging into acct management and jumping through the hoops required to make a CC purchase. You're just being silly here. The fact remains: those implants come from in-game activities and the effort (however low) attached to them. They are spawned as a result of the reward mechanisms built into the game and are bound by the balance of these mechanisms. Spawning items on demand and the mere infusion of cash is vastly different.
So, again, you can stop acting clueless because I know you understand the difference. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
62
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Why did the NeX fail? Well, let's seeGǪ 1. It had no clearly defined purpose, and the one purpose it was superficially supposed to have (act as an MT store) was not fulfilled simple because it completely broke the fundamental design principles for such a store. MT stores work wonderfully because you remove pricing from the decision-making processGǪ the NeX does the exact opposite and therefore fails as an MT store. 2. It just introduced another currency that is completely unnecessary for what it does. It just piles on dead code. AUR was meant to be a more granular PLEX, but that granularity turned out not to be all that necessary. 3. It did not create a market due to its pricing structure and due to the mechanics surrounding the purchases, all of which does the exact opposite of what CCP claimed it would do GÇö as such it completely fails to integrate into the core gameplay. The idea was that people would buy NeX items and use them or resell them, but the market valuation of the stuff (and, once again, the pricing structure) ensured that this would not happen because the items were not worth as much as CCP wanted them to be worth. 4. It further enhanced an already existing perception that CCP were wasting developer time. The failure to create a store that would pay for itself; the failure to reuse existing code; the rush to get the thing out and the ensuing failure to integrate it into the game properly all pointed to this perception being right on the money. 5. It is far less capable of doing what it's supposed to do than the other market interfaces that already exist. Again, it just needlessly and uselessly piles on dead code that serves no purpose, and in the process, it threatened to break the industrial cycle that the game is built around. 6. CCP failed to do any expectations management whatsoever. They did not explain the purpose of the store. They did not explain the pricing structure of the store. They hinted at new gameplay and new professions, but failed to deliver. They did not test the store or gather any feedback, and instead did the early-alpha-stage testing in the live environment. Enquirer wrote:Any good reason for this not to happen? Plenty. Chief among which is that it doesn't integrate properly with the game and robs it of gameplay content. The NeX failed because it serves no purpose that is not already covered (multiple times) by far better, far more mature, far more integrated features. The game does not need it. No addition to the game needs it. Trying to revive it is like trying to relapse into a bout of malaria.
Goddamn, Tippia. That's a good post.
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Angus MacDoom
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
2
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:04:00 -
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Still no kilts in the NeX store. |

Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
56
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:12:00 -
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I'm not sure it has failed as yet.
NeX is more intune with WiS than it is with the rest of EVE and as WiS has been set back somewhat so has NeX. That's the way I see it anyway. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1757
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Posted - 2012.03.03 23:59:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:If CCP fucks up ship paint jobs by making them part of NEX then they have learned NOTHING in the last year.
I have no doubt that ship skins will be in the NEX store. If they don't find *something* to put there that players actually want they'll have to end up getting rid of it. I don't think they are willing to admit to that much failure right now.
I understand why people are against the idea but if we absolutely have to live with microtransactions in Eve I'd rather have them be related to cosmetic stuff as opposed to dumb ideas like +7 learning implants or gold ammo.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
8
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:39:00 -
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.... here comes the hate post about the WIS again.... dont make a paint job for ships i have no feelings to see a pink ship with some flowers on it, the clothes are great if the release the WIS project, for now its not usefull not yet atleast.. |

YuuKnow
147
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:02:00 -
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The NeX store didn't fail. There are plenty of googles and monocles scattered about. Its still as available as it always was. I for one would like to see more quality items. Better looking monocles (the ones now are goofy looking), better clothes, CQ vanity items, etc. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
768
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:You're just being silly here.
Yeah. I am.
Just trying out the not so new trend in here of blurting irrational statements as if they were fact. Yup... the thread has degenerated that badly. People are so fearful of change in here that they just make **** up and boldly state it as if it's the majority opinion.
Thought I'd give it a shot.
Now I'll go back to my insightful, balanced and neutral posting.
BTW, Tipps, I thought you blocked me?
Mr Epeen 
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5210
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:41:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Yeah. I am.
Just trying out the not so new trend in here of blurting irrational statements as if they were fact. Yup... the thread has degenerated that badly. People are so fearful of change in here that they just make **** up and boldly state it as if it's the majority opinion. Humour.
Quote:BTW, Tipps, I thought you blocked me? Nah. You haven't reached the prerequisite levels of completely honest idiocy/lunacy. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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