Ohhh look it's this thread again!

Ohhh look it's this thread again!

Indeed.

The reason it keeps coming up is that so many people want it to happen. You know damn well, if you could you would paint your ship in exchange for isk..... come on you know you would.

Any good reason for this not to happen?
I heard lag would be one.. ie alll the custom paint jobs that would needed tgo be shared for all to see it... theres ways around that im sure.

The reason why the NExX store failed is because micro-transaction(MT) is a fail concept by itself. Especially in EVE!
MT is a concept used to attract <13 year old kids with access to daddy's credit card.
<13 year old kids are bad because:
1. They will jump to the next FOTM MT based game after a month or so.
2. Most of them are to dumb for EVE.
3. Most of them don't go well with long-term games like EVE (check point 1 for details).
4. THIS!

Any good reason for this not to happen?

The reason why the NExX store failed is because micro-transaction(MT) is a fail concept by itself. Especially in EVE!
MT is a concept used to attract <13 year old kids with access to daddy's credit card.
<13 year old kids are bad because:
1. They will jump to the next FOTM MT based game after a month or so.
2. Most of them are to dumb for EVE.
3. Most of them don't go well with long-term games like EVE (check point 1 for details).
4. THIS!

4. It further enhanced an already existing perception that CCP were wasting developer time. The failure to create a store that would pay for itself; the failure to reuse existing code; the rush to get the thing out and the ensuing failure to integrate it into the game properly all pointed to this perception being right on the money.

6. CCP failed to do any expectations management whatsoever. They did not explain the purpose of the store. They did not explain the pricing structure of the store. They hinted at new gameplay and new professions, but failed to deliver. They did not test the store or gather any feedback, and instead did the early-alpha-stage testing in the live environment.

It doesnt hurt anyone

You dont have to use it

Plex is a micro transaction

You can buy a plex with isk and convert it to aurum anyway

Your poor

1)CCP failed to do any expectations management whatsoever. They did not explain the purpose of the store.
2)They did not explain the pricing structure of the store
3)They did not test the store or gather any feedback
4)It is far less capable of doing what it's supposed to do than the other market interfaces that already exist
5)it just needlessly and uselessly piles on dead code that serves no purpose
6)it threatened to break the industrial cycle that the game is built around
7)It further enhanced an already existing perception that CCP were wasting developer time
8)the rush to get the thing out and the ensuing failure to integrate it into the game properly
9)The idea was that people would buy NeX items and use them or resell them
10)It just introduced another currency that is completely unnecessary for what it does
11)it had no clearly defined purpose
12)MT stores work wonderfully because you remove pricing from the decision-making process
13)and the one purpose it was superficially supposed to have (act as an MT store) was not fulfilled

Your poor

His poor what?

Why did the NeX fail? Well, let's seeGǪ

1. It had no clearly defined purpose, and the one purpose it was superficially supposed to have (act as an MT store) was not fulfilled simple because it completely broke the fundamental design principles for such a store. MT stores work wonderfully because you remove pricing from the decision-making processGǪ the NeX does the exact opposite and therefore fails as an MT store.

2. It just introduced another currency that is completely unnecessary for what it does. It just piles on dead code. AUR was meant to be a more granular PLEX, but that granularity turned out not to be all that necessary.

3. It did not create a market due to its pricing structure and due to the mechanics surrounding the purchases, all of which does the exact opposite of what CCP claimed it would do GÇö as such it completely fails to integrate into the core gameplay. The idea was that people would buy NeX items and use them or resell them, but the market valuation of the stuff (and, once again, the pricing structure) ensured that this would not happen because the items were not worth as much as CCP wanted them to be worth.

4. It further enhanced an already existing perception that CCP were wasting developer time. The failure to create a store that would pay for itself; the failure to reuse existing code; the rush to get the thing out and the ensuing failure to integrate it into the game properly all pointed to this perception being right on the money.

5. It is far less capable of doing what it's supposed to do than the other market interfaces that already exist. Again, it just needlessly and uselessly piles on dead code that serves no purpose, and in the process, it threatened to break the industrial cycle that the game is built around.

6. CCP failed to do any expectations management whatsoever. They did not explain the purpose of the store. They did not explain the pricing structure of the store. They hinted at new gameplay and new professions, but failed to deliver. They did not test the store or gather any feedback, and instead did the early-alpha-stage testing in the live environment.

1)To buy clothes for your avatar
2)Cloths cost Aurum
3)Everyone wants customization. Its what makes a game good.
4)You use the NeX to buy clothes. You press "convert plex to aurum" you then spend aurum, you recieve clothes
5)It piles on code that allows my avatar to has clothes and have a nex interface
6)Plex cost more...CCP did say this could happen
7)Wasted time is time spent doing nothing. CCP spent time giving my avatar clothes. We dont all just pvp
8)The NeX was designed so i could buy clothes. After integration I was able to buy cloths.
9)People do use them but you are right on the not reselling part...at least i dont see many for sale
10)AuR was introduced to be soley used on the NeX...ironically this is where you spend your AuRIt Its purpose was so we could buy stuff for our avatars.
11)Its purpose was so we could buy clothes.
12)Most MT stores on most online games act as a "we're all equal but those who are richer are more equal than you"
13)Its purpose was so we could buy clothes.

I hope I have explained the NeX to you.

1) "It had no clearly defined purpose" - Clearly defining a purpose runs contrary to the concept of a sandbox, and certainly can't be used as criteria to judge the success of the store. You want a clearly defined purpose? To make CCP money. It did / is doing that. You want one in game? Some people want to feel pretty. Check. I feel pretty.

2) AUR is an extra step I'll grant you, but it's necessary to have it in order for the NeX store to function, from an economics 101 standpoint. It's why we still have nickels and pennies in RL. We need it for those smaller transactions on the NeX side. On the free-market side ISK is fine and working well. There need to be two currencies or there could not be two markets.

3) Kind of picking and choosing here, aren't you? I thought we all agreed we don't want it to integrate NeX into core game play... only space barbie. What are you playing?

5) No, the NeX interface and separate market was necessary. The alternative was to do it all through the redeeming system. I like it a lot better in game... but ultimately by creating a seperate market is ensuring that there is a CCP controlled monetary system (AUR) outside if ISK, because let's face it... nobody is in control of ISK.

NeX is fine. I think they are probably making money at it. AUR isn't not hurting anything.

Unless it was changed, one glaring aspect to items from the Nex store was you could not loose them.

1, 11, 13. No, that wasn't the purpose of the store. That's just what it does, and the purpose of introducing it was never explained. This is particularly highlighted by the fact that you think it's for buying clothes when it's actually for removing PLEXes. The actual purpose of the NeX is to be a PLEX sink. The (poorly) communicated purpose of the NeX is to be an MT store. Being able to buy clothes does not require the NeX GÇö the two have nothing to do with each other.

2. GǪwhich doesn't explain the pricing structure.

3. Customisation has nothing to do with testing and gathering feedback, and while some or even a lot of people might want customisation, the kind of customisation people want is not in the store. More to the point, though, the store is completely unnecessary (and, in fact, rather counterproductive) for any kind of customisation option in EVE.

4. Again, you're not addressing the point you listed. How you buy clothes has nothing to do with the complete lack of capabilities of the store and the fact that everything it does is already done better by existing stores.

5. The code needed for that already exists within the game GÇö the NeX is not needed to do what you want, and the NeX just adds stuff that doesn't work as well as that pre-existing code. In fact, the whole IW Scorp d+¬b+ócle was due to this unfinished state of the store.

6. PLEX have nothing to do with the industrial cycle of EVE. Spawning stuff out of thin air does.

7. Time spent copying existing features, but making them less capable and less integrated is the same thing as doing nothing.

8. GǪwhich doesn't change the fact that the NeX wasn't properly integrated into the game. They did not create the promised market. They did not create the promised professions. They did not create any competitive elements. They did not even fulfil their own stated goals with the NeX or AUR. So no, after the failure to integrate the NeX, you can buy clothes. You'd be able to do that if they integrated it properly as well, since the goods' existence is not a factor in the store's integration.

10. Actually, no. AUR was introduced to be a micro-PLEX currency that was common with Dust, but there was no reason to have it in EVE since you might as well use ISK. Nothing of what AUR does requires AUR to be in the game. You could remove AUR today and nothing would change in EVE.

12. GǪwhich doesn't change the fact that the reason MT works is because the GǣmicroGǥ part removes price from the decision-making process. CCP did the exact opposite, which means it fails at being an MT store.
You completely failed to address any of the points you listed, and you are actually quite wrong in a few of your answers. So no, you didn't, nor did you need to, but congratulations for missing the point so thoroughly.

It failed because we wanted hats. Cowboy hats, tophats, derbies, fedoras, turbans, swashbucklers, fezzes, pillboxes, berets, Admiral Nelsons, steel pickle helmets, Chairman Maos, tinfoils etc.

Why the NExX store failed

The NeX store failed? Pretty sure that if CCP made any money at all from it then it succeeded. Pretty sure CCP made money from it. Pretty sure CCP is still making money from it. Pretty sure NeX store is successful.

Who cares how they do it. AUR may be an extra step that isn't needed in EvE but it isn't killing anybody. I promise you...you will wake up tomorrow but for those of you that don't...it wasn't AUR that killed you.

I have a feeling that AUR is more specifically for DUST than EvE. Either way...not cancer.

And Jimmy hats.

The NeX store failed? Pretty sure that if CCP made any money at all from it then it succeeded. Pretty sure CCP made money from it. Pretty sure CCP is still making money from it. Pretty sure NeX store is successful.

Who cares how they do it. AUR may be an extra step that isn't needed in EvE but it isn't killing anybody. I promise you...you will wake up tomorrow but for those of you that don't...it wasn't AUR that killed you.

I have a feeling that AUR is more specifically for DUST than EvE. Either way...not cancer.

Am I the only one that really doesn't want to see a bunch of bright pink space ships in eve.

1. It had no clearly defined purpose, and the one purpose it was superficially supposed to have (act as an MT store) was not fulfilled simple because it completely broke the fundamental design principles for such a store. MT stores work wonderfully because you remove pricing from the decision-making processGǪ the NeX does the exact opposite and therefore fails as an MT store.

2. It just introduced another currency that is completely unnecessary for what it does. It just piles on dead code. AUR was meant to be a more granular PLEX, but that granularity turned out not to be all that necessary.

6. CCP failed to do any expectations management whatsoever. They did not explain the purpose of the store. They did not explain the pricing structure of the store. They hinted at new gameplay and new professions, but failed to deliver. They did not test the store or gather any feedback, and instead did the early-alpha-stage testing in the live environment.

Am I the only one that really doesn't want to see a bunch of bright pink space ships in eve.

Repeat after me: NOBLE EXCHANGE IS NOT A MICROTRANSACTION ITEM STORE, NOBLE EXCHANGE IS A LUXURY VIRTUAL ITEMS STORE

The Noble Exchange is not a MT store. It is a luxury virtual goods store.

The purpose of the NeX (as indicated in the opening announcement sent via EVE-mail to everyone) is to allow the obscenely space-rich to show off their wealth through conspicuous consumption

Can't argue with that, though they did speak to the press about their virtual luxury items, and made a few poorly received attempt to explain the concept of "luxury goods" to players. The players, of course, threw those messages right back in CCP's faces because the player were too fixated on "micro transaction store" and didn't want to hear about luxury virtual goods.

You didn't address the NeX spawning items into being without any player created content, and the ubiquitous nature of the NeX: both features that were not previously part of the game.

They were dressing up the wrong things. Who cares if i got some new cloths, no one can see them.

But just imagine if the NEX store sold PAINT jobs for your ships, instead of cloths for characters that no one could see.

In my opinion, I believe it would have been a huge injection of cash for CCP. I know personally I would have had afew ships done. And would be willing to do it with real cash.

make it happen.

I for one DON'T want to see a bunch of pink and yellow space ships flying around. It will ruin the ambience of the game.

How would this work?

-Get rid of aurum.
-GTCs as they exist in game are not a whole unit, but a 1/10th or 1/20th or whatever. (One "whole" GTC gets you the same game time) and can be divided, traded and turned in
-Everything on the exchange is purchased with GTCs. Want pants? .1 GTC please. Want a paintjob for your vargur? .3 GTC please

????

This is one of the issues that CCP raised in explanation of why they haven't rushed to get ship skins out sooner: they refer to it as "Time To *****", and their estimate (from memory) was that TTP for a pink Thorax would be measured in nanoseconds.

yea, the cloths are pretty lame .. all black and grey.

How would this work?

-Get rid of aurum.
-GTCs as they exist in game are not a whole unit, but a 1/10th or 1/20th or whatever. (One "whole" GTC gets you the same game time) and can be divided, traded and turned in
-Everything on the exchange is purchased with GTCs. Want pants? .1 GTC please. Want a paintjob for your vargur? .3 GTC please

????

How about content for players in a subscription based MMO such as cloth production and design ???

I think Nex right now is indeed fail, but I do think its a perfect platform for such things as +6 and +7 learning implants.

So what you are saying is that you would favor having P2W items in the NeX.

Pay to win?

Hardly. Pay to sit in a station in more fear than people now do when wearing improved.

On top of that. WTF is the difference between an implant being bought with arum and put on the market compared to how it is now? Getting it as a reward or a drop and being put on the market. Either way it's simply popped into existence through no effort on the part of the player. Implants are not manufactured.

You picked the wrong example, Doc.

Mr Epeen

WTF is the difference between an implant being bought with arum and put on the market compared to how it is now? Getting it as a reward or a drop and being put on the market. Either way it's simply popped into existence through no effort on the part of the player. Implants are not manufactured.

They are manufactured by running the missions, getting the drops, collecting the LP. They do not GÇ£simply pop into existenceGÇ¥ GÇö they do require effort. The difference between this and plonking down some cash and having something appear out of nowhere is immense.

You're not this clueless.
You can stop acting it now.

AFKing level 4's is less effort than logging into acct management and jumping through the hoops required to make a CC purchase.

Why did the NeX fail? Well, let's seeGǪ

1. It had no clearly defined purpose, and the one purpose it was superficially supposed to have (act as an MT store) was not fulfilled simple because it completely broke the fundamental design principles for such a store. MT stores work wonderfully because you remove pricing from the decision-making processGǪ the NeX does the exact opposite and therefore fails as an MT store.

2. It just introduced another currency that is completely unnecessary for what it does. It just piles on dead code. AUR was meant to be a more granular PLEX, but that granularity turned out not to be all that necessary.

3. It did not create a market due to its pricing structure and due to the mechanics surrounding the purchases, all of which does the exact opposite of what CCP claimed it would do GÇö as such it completely fails to integrate into the core gameplay. The idea was that people would buy NeX items and use them or resell them, but the market valuation of the stuff (and, once again, the pricing structure) ensured that this would not happen because the items were not worth as much as CCP wanted them to be worth.

4. It further enhanced an already existing perception that CCP were wasting developer time. The failure to create a store that would pay for itself; the failure to reuse existing code; the rush to get the thing out and the ensuing failure to integrate it into the game properly all pointed to this perception being right on the money.

5. It is far less capable of doing what it's supposed to do than the other market interfaces that already exist. Again, it just needlessly and uselessly piles on dead code that serves no purpose, and in the process, it threatened to break the industrial cycle that the game is built around.

6. CCP failed to do any expectations management whatsoever. They did not explain the purpose of the store. They did not explain the pricing structure of the store. They hinted at new gameplay and new professions, but failed to deliver. They did not test the store or gather any feedback, and instead did the early-alpha-stage testing in the live environment.

Plenty. Chief among which is that it doesn't integrate properly with the game and robs it of gameplay content.

The NeX failed because it serves no purpose that is not already covered (multiple times) by far better, far more mature, far more integrated features. The game does not need it. No addition to the game needs it. Trying to revive it is like trying to relapse into a bout of malaria.

If CCP fucks up ship paint jobs by making them part of NEX then they have learned NOTHING in the last year.

You're just being silly here.

Yeah. I am.

Just trying out the not so new trend in here of blurting irrational statements as if they were fact. Yup... the thread has degenerated that badly. People are so fearful of change in here that they just make **** up and boldly state it as if it's the majority opinion.

BTW, Tipps, I thought you blocked me?