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Kular	Posted - 2004.04.28 05:53:00 - [31] I have been very concerned over this issue about "toursts" anywhere near our most holy of places. If by tourism Catiz Tash-Murkon means Amarrian holders who seek to enlighten their faith only. I would not be opposed to this. If it were opened to all the public I would be horrified to see rish Gallente pigs flooding in desecrating our most holy Cathedral with their holo-recorders, or even worse having a Minmatar set foot within those hollowed walls. I think it is best that instead of deciding who should be allowed that we keep it as it is/was and Pledge 10 million of my personal funds to this and on behalf of my corp Dark Seraph would like to match this with another 20 million along with my personal workforce of over 4,000 slaves. I hope that someone from the Tash-Murkon family would please contact Catiz and let her know we are willing to help in this deed! Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation.
Mijstor Jedann	Posted - 2004.04.28 06:09:00 - [32] Even though it has only been a day, we have united quickly, and our Voices are united as ONE MESSAGE! Still, no word from any officials.... my brethren, are we being ignored? For Sanctity, for Tradition! Keep the pledges comming, no matter how small! Thank you citizens of EvE and Godspeed - ____________________ "Amarr alone, delivered herself."
Pulgor	Posted - 2004.04.28 06:13:00 - [33] I must point out that all who have donated so far would not fit the criteria to enter the structure, this also goes to any slaves as they would not be allowed to enter the structure to repair it. This would mean the only workforce able to repair the structure would be holders and higher, or drones. Drones would be the logical choice. I cannot donate any ISK to this effort as the Ammatar Government has its own funding shortfalls. I will volunteer my droid ITX-9 however. I told him of this and he was as sympathetic as I've seen him in a while. He said, "Yes, I'll help those religious fleshbags clean up their dirty work. My optronic sensors are 400 times more accurate then standard scanners and far greater then that over simple human judgement processes." ----------------------------------- Pulgor --- In service to Saram. Visit the Ammatar channel ingame!
Tar Magen	Posted - 2004.04.28 07:21:00 - [34] Edited by: Tar Magen on 28/04/2004 07:53:19 I have devoted careful thought to this, balancing the sanctity of the Cathedral against the light the example of Saint Tal-Romon might bring into the lives of those who are called to visit, despite the unseemly means. The continuity of our traditions must prevail. Nor is it fitting that our Cathedral be rebuilt however indirectly by those other than the people of Amarr. Please accept my pledge of five million ISK toward this worthy cause. Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
Mirial	Posted - 2004.04.28 07:44:00 - [35] I see a third alternative middle path whereby Holder and Amarr commoner alike contribute towards this rebuilding and be allowed to visit. Let the glory of the cathedral educate and enlighten all citizens of the empire and let its rebuilding be the duty of all.
Tsual	Posted - 2004.04.28 07:49:00 - [36] Edited by: Tsual on 28/04/2004 07:50:39 Interesting fact told in the news: Quote: Catiz plans to fund the extensive repairs needed by allowing tourists, for the first time, to visit the holy site - dedicated to the saint Tal-Romon, the first Udorian to reach sainthood. What is more interesting that Tash-Murkon is of Udorian origin, so she is opening a monument dedicated to a (for Empire citizen relevan) historic person from the same "historic" origin as herself - or at least planning to do so. -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2004.04.28 08:42:00 - [37] I will gladly donate five million ISK to the cause, if it means that this marvellous religious edifice will not become a holiday hotspot. I would have thought though, that as allegedly the richest person in the Empire, Catiz Tash-Murkon could afford to foot the repair bill herself. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Mijstor Jedann	Posted - 2004.04.28 08:57:00 - [38] Edited by: Mijstor Jedann on 28/04/2004 08:58:24 Originally by: Rodj Blake I would have thought though, that as allegedly the richest person in the Empire, Catiz Tash-Murkon could afford to foot the repair bill herself. Well pointed out, brethren Blake. -Still no response from Tash-Murkon, or the Kor-Azor Families. MILLIONS IN PLEDGES CAN YOU HEAR US NOW? ____________________ "Amarr alone, delivered herself."
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.04.28 10:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Tok Narok My opinions of Artico are not for this thread. Catiz however is clearly not restoring the cathedral for the good of the Empire and its people. The day the Tash-Murkon Family values the Empire over ISK, I'll stop wishing for their eradication. Obviously I wish to see the cathedral repaired... but not at the price of welcoming scum through its doors. Exactly. So, rather then offending the Heir who now owns the place, somewhat more reasonable 'demands' would be more in place, wouldn't you think. Tash-Murkon or not, Catiz is an Heiress, offending them is often not the best course of action.. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Tano	Posted - 2004.04.28 11:11:00 - [40] I suggest a compromise. Artico throws parties and Catiz sells tickets. I am sure this would raise a fortune and show the rest of the universe what the Empire is really about.
Tsoran Thespian	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:50:00 - [41] In the spirit of good faith and relation between the Amarr and the legacy I represent I would like to add to this good cause. I will gladly, if accepted donate the matching ammount for the mere spirituality of this monumental task. I would like to further this offer to factor 10 if it would be possible to permanently make service from any Minmatar slave result in the choice of freedom after working for a set number of years in the service of the temple. I would not impeed the politics of the Gallente onto the honorable Amarr, I would however think that a softer approach towards the slaves could result in a more peacefull coexistence, hence my suggestion to let the sacerdotes be the ones to open up for such an idea. I sincerely hope I have not been to offensive in my offer. Best regards Tsoran Thespian Emperor of Tarnec
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:47:00 - [42] Edited by: Discorporation on 28/04/2004 15:51:57 Looks like they've heard you, Jedann! I wonder how much it'll cost to clean the place up, though. 30-40 million is a lot (and I mean a -lot-) of isks. Hmm [Heterocephalus glaber]
Ezikiel	Posted - 2004.04.28 15:58:00 - [43] How can this be tolerated. Have we grown weak?! This would never be allowed in the past ages! Even to think about letting other races desecrate our most holy grounds is heresy! Does the Theology Council have nothing to say about this!? Maybe its time to choose a new family to take the Khanids place instead of this non-Amarrs. Why were they chosen in the first place? I will gladly donate millions and slave labor to restore our religions hollowed grounds. May The Emperor Guide Us
Ciar Meara	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:09:00 - [44] Edited by: Ciar Meara on 28/04/2004 16:26:58 Since our offers where not adequate enough for now I hereby double my donation to 10 million isk and offer the services of 2000 slaves to this cause. More shall be announced by others and cva I am shure. But a more interesting matter I want to discuss. Something An Amarr loyalist named PrincessD proposed. I call on the experts to release an aproximate number on the cost to rebuild this symbol of Amarr faith. So our brothers everywhere have a target to strive for many are willing to donate and work for its salvation but we need a ballpark figure to get the ball rolling fully. I am shure Mijstor Jedan can head up such a committy compromised of loyal Amarr corperations and volunteers. Also perhaps it is a good idea to look at the long term care of the facility, perhaps the Ardishapur family could be persuaded to take over the care of the facility in the future? PIE Inc A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Ticket Master	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:09:00 - [45] Would it were I had millions to donate, I would but I do not becasue I'm spending most of it trying to keep certain pirates at bay from our slave trade routes, whilst the rest of you play soldiers. I shall wait for the final descion from my king before I make a final descion on this predicimant. I am sure some compromise can be made. I for one would be most distrurbed if the nonblessed were allowed full access to the restored buildings, and yet... we must do what we can to restore glory to the Amarr people. Glory longlost to the decednace of soft polotics and open borders. _____________________________________________ The train for freedom is not an express route
Ashka Neris	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:15:00 - [46] I dn't truly think any of your offers are going to make a difference when you take into consideration the recontruction is only ht ebegining. There is long term matenance, insurance costs, structale integrity tests, securty considerations, staff need paying (unless of course you want you little church run by the unworthy slaves you have). The runing of every day rituals and cermony's need their costs covered... oh my the list is endless... Seems if you want you're building save, tourism may be the only option open to you. But I guess I know what opening your empire to the public would mean, the once glorious Amarr empire would become nothing more than a tourist attraction, latching itself to the shark that is Concord, quite obviously the true power behind the authority you claim to have. --------------------------- Proud to be half Brutor http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=69488&page=1R
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:29:00 - [47] i feel it is the duty of every loyal amarr to serve god! if god's house is in danger i will of course be there to help! i donate 5mill isk aswell!
Tsual	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:38:00 - [48] I wonder where Midular is, perfect situation for her to ruin the Republic, this time finacialy, for another 15 thousand slaves to be freed. Never mind just being sarcastic. -------------------------------------- Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life. Ritual of the Qua'nadhar.
Nemesis I	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:51:00 - [49] Being a citizen of Tash-Murkon, I would urge everyone, please await a response to your concerns, directly from Catiz herself, or one her representatives. This could be a simple case of media hype, and from what I have read so far, we do not fully know her full intentions. Nem
Jaketh Ivanes	Posted - 2004.04.28 16:55:00 - [50] I to wish to pledge my support to the repairs of this holy place with 5 million ISK. Its the very leats i can do for my people and my God. Tho ISK my not be enogh to restore the holy site to its former glory, the clergy must undertake a cleansing ceromony. May Gods chosen prove worthy of his choise.
Mijstor Jedann	Posted - 2004.04.28 17:02:00 - [51] To the Family Tash-Murkon- More Financially viable you say? I follow my brother Ciar's example, and double, my amount pledged. 10mill isk from my pocket from one sinlge Pilot. We are many, our voice IS ONE! We the people of Amarr pleade that it not be opened as a tourist attraction! The funds will NOT stop pouring in! I respectfully ask again to keep your responses civil and relevant, this is a deeply holy matter for our people. I would also like to thank citizens for respecting this request thus far, and is appreciated. NO AMOUNT TOO SMALL ONE VOICE! ONE CAUSE! NO DISSANCTITY FOR St. Tal Romon or our FAITH! ____________________ "Amarr alone, delivered herself."
Ardor	Posted - 2004.04.28 17:06:00 - [52] Originally by: Ciar Meara But a more interesting matter I want to discuss. Something An Amarr loyalist named PrincessD proposed. I call on the experts to release an aproximate number on the cost to rebuild this symbol of Amarr faith. So our brothers everywhere have a target to strive for many are willing to donate and work for its salvation but we need a ballpark figure to get the ball rolling fully. I agree with Ciar Meara. I also wonder how big the rampant destruction in this so called 'incident' really is to be able to offer a suitable donation. The behaviour of the house Kor-Azor on this matter isn't acceptable but that's not surprising to me.
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2004.04.28 17:46:00 - [53] i will also send 520 marines to guard the kathedral and observe the working slaves. and i double up my donation on 10mil also
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.04.28 18:14:00 - [54] I am but a humble Amarrian. But I have the pride of thousands for my heritage. This potential public defilment of our church is the greatest threat to Amarr in recent memory. To imagine these tourists will step on holy ground and cast thier gaze upon the sacred walls drives me to tears of rage. We must not allow this to happen. While I am not wealthy I will vow to contribute $1,000,000isk and 250 of my finest slaves as free labor to keep this public stampede from occuring. Hail Amarr and Long Live the Emperor! Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.04.28 18:45:00 - [55] Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 28/04/2004 18:48:01 As a member of the Theological Council, I cannot choose sides in this political conflict between the Kador, Tash-Murkon, and Ardishapur houses. I can only beg of the Emperor himself to hear all arguments and pass judgement in accordance with his Divine right. I have faith that whatever comes of this will be His will, not ours. While we Amarr occasionally disagree, I doubt this will come to blows. The lesser races circle this event like sharks looking for an Amarrian civil war, or any sign of weakness on our part. I suggest that we do not give them one. For those of you who called for the execution the Task Murkon Heir, *shame* on you. The Amarr Empire needs clever businesspeople and industrialists as much as we need holders, clergymen, commoners, and even slaves. What would we be without the great mega corporations such as Tash-Murkon, Carthum, Viziam, and Imperial Dreams? *I call on all loyal God-fearing Amarr to cut the vile rancor, and tone the rhetoric down a shade. We are His chosen people, and we are better than what I have seen so far.* - Captain Ezar Vorbarra, Deacon (Edited, shoddy grammar) --
Ka'loor	Posted - 2004.04.28 21:04:00 - [56] The desecration of a holy place cannot be tolerated. It is in good faith that Amarr noblemen come to worship, but it should not be beside unbelieving inferior beings, who do not understand the least about our faith. As such i pledge 5million ISK to the cause of restoring the cathedral and keeping it clean of any taint that could be brought by alien entrance of such a holy place. Faith manages. Attack without mercy, until blood is gone, until life is gone, until the light is gone, unto the shadow itself. Better to die with honor, than to live in shame.
Ashka Neris	Posted - 2004.04.28 21:44:00 - [57] the amount you're offering in total will only ammount to two battleships at the very least, not the restration and upkeep of an entire historical relic. C'mon people, think religously here ever heard the saying "All that I have?" If you have love for your God, show it... Geez, who'd have thought I'd be giving spiritual advice to an Amarian? --------------------------- Proud to be half Brutor http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=69488&page=1R
Kular	Posted - 2004.04.28 21:57:00 - [58] Originally by: Ashka Neris I dn't truly think any of your offers are going to make a difference when you take into consideration the recontruction is only ht ebegining. There is long term matenance, insurance costs, structale integrity tests, securty considerations, staff need paying (unless of course you want you little church run by the unworthy slaves you have). The runing of every day rituals and cermony's need their costs covered... oh my the list is endless... I thought you would be smarter than to make such foolish remarks as these. Unlike the constructs of your people we Amarrians build structures to last for not centuries, but eons. It takes a violent act of destruction to undo what Amarr has made, so when the temple has been restored to full condition no "maintence" shall be needed. Quote: Seems if you want you're building save, tourism may be the only option open to you. But I guess I know what opening your empire to the public would mean, the once glorious Amarr empire would become nothing more than a tourist attraction, latching itself to the shark that is Concord, quite obviously the true power behind the authority you claim to have. The empire is open to the public, all those who serve under our laws and obey by our rules are welcome to travel our space. Concord does not affect Amarr in any way shape or form. It is we who decide what is best for the Amarrian race and not any influence of others shall ever change that! Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation.
Ashka Neris	Posted - 2004.04.28 22:01:00 - [59] Oh well, I'l just sit backand watch the comedy unravel then You're obviously so wrapped up in your faith that you've fogtten about economic reality. This structure you want rebuilt certainly did not stand the test of time, and I have seen monumants on Matar far older than anything amarr could have built, most of them natural, and you never got to destory those. --------------------------- Proud to be half Brutor http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=69488&page=1R
Tok Narok	Posted - 2004.04.28 22:31:00 - [60] Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra For those of you who called for the execution the Task Murkon Heir, *shame* on you. The Amarr Empire needs clever businesspeople and industrialists as much as we need holders, clergymen, commoners, and even slaves. What would we be without the great mega corporations such as Tash-Murkon, Carthum, Viziam, and Imperial Dreams? Clever businesspeople are exactly that Ezar - business people. They are naturally motivated by profit and asset wealth. I agree that they are an integral part of society, but I do not believe they are qualified to "own" Imperial property such as the Tal-Romon Cathedral, nor do I believe they should be allowed to make a mockery of our religion! The Kador and Ardishapur families clearly follow the same thoughts, and we all can guess that Jamyl Sarum would have moved half of the Navy to Kor-Azor Prime by now... Shame? I feel no shame. In my eyes Catiz is a traitor to us all. Popular deviant.

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