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Discorporation	Posted - 2004.04.28 22:32:00 - [61] Originally by: Ashka Neris You're obviously so wrapped up in your faith that you've fogtten about economic reality. This structure you want rebuilt certainly did not stand the test of time, and I have seen monumants on Matar far older than anything amarr could have built, most of them natural, and you never got to destory those. Hi. I've come to tell you you're wrong. Before the incident involving Artico Kor-Azor, the temple obviously stood and was maintained quite perfectly. I would imagine that the costs of maintaining it are the same, after it has been restored to its splendor, the splendor it had before the 'incident', as they used to be. Quite simple logic, really. ohh, and the natural monuments you talk about are most likely things like mountains and seas.. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.04.28 22:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Tok Narok Jamyl Sarum I miss Sarum . Grown quite fond of the Sarum ideology in the past years.. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Ashka Neris	Posted - 2004.04.28 22:35:00 - [63] "...Most likely...." Not that this is much of an insult to you, but shows how educated really you are. As I said, your faith has blinded you to reality, which is comedy enough for me --------------------------- Proud to be half Brutor http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=69488&page=1R
Kular	Posted - 2004.04.28 23:06:00 - [64] Originally by: Ashka Neris "...Most likely...." Not that this is much of an insult to you, but shows how educated really you are. As I said, your faith has blinded you to reality, which is comedy enough for me You are quite enough comedy for me Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation.
Ashka Neris	Posted - 2004.04.28 23:28:00 - [65] With a face like that? You have a cheek talking about comedy :p c'mon then give us a smile... C'mon gentlemen dont let me distract you from the topic at hand. I only made suggestions to help you on your merry little mission... obviously logic is more distracting then helpful to you, so please don't mind me. --------------------------- Proud to be half Brutor http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=69488&page=1R
Ticket Master	Posted - 2004.04.28 23:30:00 - [66] Sighs... It took four posts to change the topic.. and what upsets me most, it wasn't the half breed who did it.... I'll just get back to my packing _____________________________________________ The train for freedom is not an express route
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.04.28 23:49:00 - [67] Originally by: Tok Narok Shame? I feel no shame. In my eyes Catiz is a traitor to us all. Remember Tok Narok, that Catiz Tash-Murkon is not merely a clever industrialist and businessperson, she is also an imperial heir. She is nobility in our feudal society. As such she is one of the representatives of our government, an advisor to our glorious Emperor, and she deserves all the respect due to her post. Need I remind you that we Amarrians are not a society of free speech and democratic ideals. We do not slander our leaders, nor do we call for their execution. We are a stable society: free of the strife, poverty, and self-indulgent decadence of other empires. We trust in our Emperor and God to guide our leaders to the right path. We Amarrians know our place, and it is below all of the heirs. I will ask politely one last time brother: Tone down your rhetoric against members of our government. We are better than those societies that tolerate such impudence and stupidity. Instead have faith that our Holy Emperor will make the right decision in the end. Captain Ezar Vorbarra, Deacon --
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.04.29 00:07:00 - [68] Ashka Neris and those with the same inclination to post derogatory remarks, in effect degrading the quality of the discussion and theme in question, I ask you to leave this thread alone. We have been asked the same several times in the past, and have left the thread alone as a result. Now is the time to show off your own character. That said, I also support the question of being given an estimate of total repair costs for the Cathedral, and the chance for us to gather this amount in order to keep sacred ground unspoiled. I look to Catiz Tash-Murkon for a reply on this. Secondly, it is my personal wish that the Cathedral, after being restored to its former glory, should be turned over to the Emperor family. Who better suited to govern and protect our relics than the Emperor himself! As a final note, my finest artisans, stonemasons and labor has been set aside indefinetly, for eventual participation in the project of reviving the Cathedral. Although there is little chance of escape or insubordination during such a project, the presence of Slaver Hounds, whom I can spare 20 of for as long as necessary, might be a positive incentive to boost efficiency during work hours. Long live the Empire! ----------------------------------------------
Sceartan	Posted - 2004.04.29 01:04:00 - [69] If more money is what it takes to keep the tourists out of our holy places, then more money is what they will recieve. I up my original pledge of 5mil ISK by 15mil to make it a total of 20mil ISK. Mijstor, please provide us with an update on the tally so far.
ITX9	Posted - 2004.04.29 05:11:00 - [70] I must address some logical problems before the Amarr. As a navigator droid, one of my primary funcitons is to analize and correct logical errors in a ships navigation system. My adaptive AI circutry uses this same procedure for judging other processes. I have analized your activities here and will now submit a report for logical correction! Logical Error: If only Amarr holders and their supiriors are the only beings allowed to enter the church, then that means that no repair crew can be used! Slaves cannot be put inside the church as it would violate Amarr edicts. You would need a drone work force, so I would recommend all those offering slaves to instead offer drones. Drones are non-sentiant and are damned from the start. Why look at me! I have to address faults in a church that is not high in my priority system! We are slaves to our programming and are non-sentiant. Therefore I would say that god would care less about droids/drones then he does about a milkshake. Logical Error: Non-Amarr are offering assistnace when they cannot. It would be against Amarr edict for the Amarr accept such help. I would recommend that all non-amarr that have offered help cease and desist immidiately out of respect for Amarr edict. I withdraw my offer to help as I am property of my Master, who is an Ammatar. A lesser being. That is all that I have found so far. However as I enter semi-active mode each day to recharge my power cells, my analysis program will be analyizing this situation further. I apologize for any inconveniance, however it is required by my analysis program to report, and attempt to correct, any logical errors in any situations I observe. ______________________________
Ashka Neris	Posted - 2004.04.29 06:55:00 - [71] Gais, my remarks were not deroitotroy till Discorpiration decided to isult Minmtar monumants. I ahve merely pointed out the obvious and the truth. It is clear you cannot either handle the the truth in any form, and considering the insults the Minmimtar had to put up with from you personally over the Khumaak issue (or anything) you yourself have a lot of hypocrsy talking about insults and derogitory remarks. The fact remains, 5 mil isk each is not going to achieve anyting, and it galls me to think that reigning your wallets is more important than your faith. Faith requires sacrifice, all I see here are token gestures. That is not a dergitory comment, it is an observation of faith, which you all seem to be displaying a lack of right now. --------------------------- Proud to be half Brutor http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=69488&page=1R
Ticket Master	Posted - 2004.04.29 07:29:00 - [72] Faith in deed requires sacrifice Ashka But we don't need you to remind us of this, we have to learn this ourselves... For what it's worth, your assesment is somewhat logical, if the tone is a bit harsh (I expect nothng less from a traitor). This will require more than isk it seems, but personal time and dedication _____________________________________________ The train for freedom is not an express route
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.04.29 10:14:00 - [73] Originally by: Ashka Neris "...Most likely...." Not that this is much of an insult to you, but shows how educated really you are. As I said, your faith has blinded you to reality, which is comedy enough for me Ah, yes, please name other natural monuments, then.. [Heterocephalus glaber]
Tok Narok	Posted - 2004.04.29 10:38:00 - [74] Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra Remember Tok Narok, that Catiz Tash-Murkon is not merely a clever industrialist and businessperson, she is also an imperial heir. She is nobility in our feudal society. As such she is one of the representatives of our government, an advisor to our glorious Emperor, and she deserves all the respect due to her post. Need I remind you that we Amarrians are not a society of free speech and democratic ideals. We do not slander our leaders, nor do we call for their execution. We are a stable society: free of the strife, poverty, and self-indulgent decadence of other empires. We trust in our Emperor and God to guide our leaders to the right path. We Amarrians know our place, and it is below all of the heirs. I will ask politely one last time brother: Tone down your rhetoric against members of our government. We are better than those societies that tolerate such impudence and stupidity. Instead have faith that our Holy Emperor will make the right decision in the end. Captain Ezar Vorbarra, Deacon Ezar, you need not remind me of anything. I stated my "rhetoric" as simple conditions to my donation - it is others who made me expand upon my opinions. My opinions are my own, and if asked, I will freely share them. Popular deviant.
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.04.29 12:12:00 - [75] Edited by: Gaius Kador on 29/04/2004 12:14:21 Originally by: Ashka Neris It is clear you cannot either handle the the truth in any form, and considering the insults the Minmimtar had to put up with from you personally over the Khumaak issue (or anything) you yourself have a lot of hypocrsy talking about insults and derogitory remarks. Did you even read the part concerning us leaving a thread alone when asked to? I do not intend to sink down to your level and post, lets say on the thread of that dead Raven Misha. Yet you persist, and that shows your lack of character. Now to ensure the thread is kept on topic, I'll leave it with this. Its personal now witch. ----------------------------------------------
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.04.29 12:19:00 - [76] Originally by: ITX9 Logical Error: If only Amarr holders and their supiriors are the only beings allowed to enter the church, then that means that no repair crew can be used! We use what we deem fit for the reconstruction, slave labour has been used to build many grand monuments envisaged by the Amarr, and so it shall remain. End of discussion. ----------------------------------------------
Ashka Neris	Posted - 2004.04.29 12:27:00 - [77] Edited by: Ashka Neris on 29/04/2004 12:31:56 I aplogise for giving my opinion. I simply offered advice... although my brutor nature gets the better of me,insult was not inteded, but brutal honesty. I'm sure what I feel about this cathedrial, the ony thing that bothers me is what it represents, the slaves reuquired to build it, in which case I'd rather not see it rebuilt at all. All I'm saying s this, you need more than what you are offering to keep this monumant going. It is clear it's propiators know this well, hence the tourist issue, yet you are aurging that it is not worthy of tourists but your own "blessed" selves. The alternative you offer is noble to your "faith", but of little practiable use. All I am saying is that there are alternatives. Have you ever thought of buying the ruins and workign the structure and upkeeps yourselves? Make it a national heretige, sponsoured by the people for the people. That may not be the only soloution to your problem. If you take my taking an interest in the other part of my heritage personally Giaus, then I shan't take your advice on keeping an interest in it any longer if thats what you want. As my friend Pulgor often reminds me, it is folly to turn your back fully on half of what you are. This is your faith under attack, not mine, but it is my heritage, whetehr I like it or not. --------------------------- Proud to be half Brutor http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=69488&page=1R
Ticket Master	Posted - 2004.04.29 12:35:00 - [78] Purchase God's land? Politcally tricky, ecomically sensible, spirtually... well.. er... I... controversial? Alternatives.... let me think on that _____________________________________________ The train for freedom is not an express route
Ethidium Bromide	Posted - 2004.04.29 12:50:00 - [79] Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 29/04/2004 12:51:43 BROTHERS!!!!!!! at the moment it is no use discussing who is a traitor and needs to be executed or not. our most important goal right now has to be how can we safe the cathedral! to my shame i can offer nothing but isk! i'm a mere scientist and no economist, but still i will increase my contribution again to 15mil isk!
Ticket Master	Posted - 2004.04.29 12:57:00 - [80] Hmm, a name springs to mind "The Amarrian Faith Alliance" An alliance dedicated to the restoration and presevation of Amarrian places of worship and faith. _____________________________________________ The train for freedom is not an express route
Ardor	Posted - 2004.04.29 13:12:00 - [81] I am really sorry to say that I have to withdraw my offer of donation. It's a shame to break my word. It's not about the ISK and the slaves. But after thinking about this topic I saw another problem and my donation could cause a bigger shame on me than the withdrawing of the donation. I will now pray for enlightment from God as I can't find a solution of this problem myself in the moment. For now I can't make any usefull comments on this topic anymore. my reason: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=76871
Korrari	Posted - 2004.05.01 01:13:00 - [82] I also will pledge my loyalty for the good of the empire. Having said this i am unable to give support in material means at this moment due to my prolonged absence. I will pray for a swift victory though. May the emperor show mercy on all that oppose Amarr. I hail all those who know off my name. "My ship isn't leaking coolant, it's leaving 'crums' to find it's own way home."
Ciar Meara	Posted - 2004.05.01 17:36:00 - [83] Seeing the news makes a man glad, the Emperor has acknowleged our plight, and up till now the cathedral has been clear of tourists and the heirs that support the good cause are gathering for a meeting. Indeed brothers, now is the time to make our voice heared ever stronger! PIE Inc A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
Ezikiel	Posted - 2004.05.02 03:43:00 - [84] It is time to reunite. LetÆs show everyone that we can do this without making this a universal struggle. We will restore our most glorious monuments that can stand the test of time! I expand my donations to 50 Slave hounds and 5 more millions whether in minerals or wealth so that will make them 10 millions and extended slave labor. Sound as one! Praised be the Emperor! May The Emperor Guide Us
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.05.02 12:56:00 - [85] I shall await the decision of Doriam II patiently, and with knowledge that our plea shall not go unheeded. As the first Udorian Saint, Tal-Romon's heritage should not be tainted by the presence of heretics. His service to the Empire deserves better, as do our combined legacy. ----------------------------------------------
Yaerav Aeyar	Posted - 2004.05.02 14:25:00 - [86] First off, I apologise for intruding on this discussion. This is, after all, mostly an internal affair of the Amarr Empire. As a Nefantar, I hold great reverence for st Tal-Romon. Apart from all his lessons and contributions to the Empire, Tal-Romon, more then any saint, is a great inspiration to all who seek enlightenment but are not of pure Amarrian descent. In a way, so is is the rise of House Tash-Murkon- which is of course a house with a lot of Udorian blood in it. This challenges and inspires me and my own to work harder and keep strifing to better ourselves. The desecration of the Cathedral on Eclipticum was, of course, quite horrible. But I am not so sure if Lord Catiz Tash-Murkon has it wrong when he proposes to open, especially, this holy site to "the public". Who knows, it might get some more people to study the Scriptures? Live to Serve Serve to Grow Grow to Ascend
Mijstor Jedann	Posted - 2004.05.05 18:59:00 - [87] Edited by: Mijstor Jedann on 05/05/2004 19:00:22 Brethren of the Amarr Community- We can all see for ourselves the records of these communications that much support is available, in the forms of ISK, slave labour, construction blocks, etc. Perhaps once the Jove Directorate is through making its rounds tomorrow, Sir Kor-Azor will be more able to attend to this matter. Thank you for your time ____________________ "Amarr alone, delivered herself."
Ezar Vorbarra	Posted - 2004.05.07 03:35:00 - [88] Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 07/05/2004 03:37:47 Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 07/05/2004 03:37:10 Hail and Glory to our Emperor Doriam Kor-Azor II, long may he live and reign over God's chosen people. As you all know his Imperial majesty has intervened in the debate and taken the renovation of the cathedral under his personal control. I would like to take a moment to remind the faithless amongst you exactly why God chose this particular Emperor for us. He has a divine mandate to settle all disputes between the heirs, and he clearly has the willpower to do so. Allow me to close with a prayer: The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil. Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority. The Scriptures, Book I May all Amarrian sacred churches, and indeed our holy traditions be preserved for another thousand years! God save our Emperor. Captain Ezar Vorbarra, Deacon --
Tok Narok	Posted - 2004.05.07 09:06:00 - [89] Given the change in circumstances, I hereby revoke the conditions of my offer of assistance. My primary concern has always been the future sanctity of the Cathedral, and with the Emperor claiming the Cathedral as Imperial property my first condition is practically fulfilled anyway. As long as the Cathedral remains Imperial property: I offer 10 million ISK and my entire slave workforce (along with associated guards and slaver hounds). Popular deviant.

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