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Mijstor Jedann
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Posted - 2004.04.27 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mijstor Jedann on 27/04/2004 11:50:14
To my fellow citizens of Amarr-
Surely, there is another way. Is it the consenscus of our empire that the funds to repair our Cathedral come from tourist admission fee's? Is it the holy monuments fate to be a regular pit-stop of intergalactic hobo's and delinquents alike? I for one would like to think not. It is a private, spiritual place, not for half of the universe to be given encouragement to come and 'visit'.
I do not have a solution to the problem, but a suggestion at least to start with. I am not in tune with exaclty what the repair bill is, from the fiasco that took place there. However, thinking optamistically, the patriots of Amarr banding together in this finacially to get the Cathedral rebuilt would show a great unity in our culture! I am not a rich man, but would like to plegde 5 million ISK as a show of good faith, in the hopes others will follow in the same path. Perhaps if enough of us band together and present the Tash-Murkon representatives with enough wealth, they won't have any reason for furthering their current plans, and thus preserving the sanctity of the site.
*edit: spelling error(s)
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Maidel
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Posted - 2004.04.27 13:29:00 -
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I also agree with this very strongly - i would also donate from my personal funds up to 5 million isk towards this if it would keep our hallowed institutions clear from being exploited.
'Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Sansha's Ravager, wrecking for 554.6 damage. - they do work occationally' |
Intergral Carla
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Posted - 2004.04.27 15:09:00 -
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I'd pay a bit to keep it open to the public..
why deny the people a bit of your heretige.. unless you have something to hide.
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Ciar Meara
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Posted - 2004.04.27 15:10:00 -
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Indeed, what is ISK compared with the sanctity of the Amarr churches, I to would pledge the same amount to help this construction.
Let us all join as true Amarr to defend our faith against the wickedness of the caldari ways.
PIE Inc
A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.04.27 15:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Ciar Meara
Let us all join as true Amarr to defend our faith against the wickedness of the caldari ways.
Don't try to pin this one on us. We Caldaris don't sell our heritage, as captialistic as we (proudly) are.
Tourism. Feh.
That's Gallentian influence if I ever saw it. Blame them.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:08:00 -
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It's filling my heart with joy to see such a noble initiative from our brothers in the Empire. I will donate 5m to repair the damage done by the Emperors son Aritcio Kor-Azor and to prevent the sellout of a holy place by the udorian Tash-Murkon family. I've noticed the engagement of the house Kador in this cause. I am also willing to donate 1000 domesticated slaves. Please let me know who is collecting the contribution.
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Mijstor Jedann
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:09:00 -
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-begin transmission-
I awake this morning pleased, as many have answered the call and promised support! The divine will bless you all for your deeds. Please, let this be our VOICE against further action is taken on this matter. Let the Privy Council hear us, and hear us loud!
- To any representative of the Tash-Murkon Family, any rough estimate of how much we should be aiming for, would be more than appreciated.
Thank you all Citizens for your time.
-end transmission-
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NerisRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:18:00 -
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I don't belive what I'm seeing here. We sacrifice the Khuumak, you free a few thousand slaves. Then decide to repair your forgotten churches, whilst you tore our spiritual artifacts down...
...am I the only one who senses some irony in all of this?
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:30:00 -
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Peh
Let them waste their isk on out of date relics, we are a spiritual people, we have little need of "churches".
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: AsheRaven
Peh
Let them waste their isk on out of date relics, we are a spiritual people, we have little need of "churches".
Yet y'all were so vocal about the Khumaak.. As deeply spiritual people, surely you don't really need it, then?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:37:00 -
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While I support this initiative, and will do so economically should a parlay open up with the Tash-Murkon family, it is with more than a little scorn I turn my eye upon Articio Kor-Azor and his responsibility in the centre of all this.
Your behavior and the subsequent lack of responsibility for what uncouth actions you partook in, demeans you not only in my eyes, but also in the eyes of a great many citizens of Amarr. The cost of repairing the Cathedral should have come out of your pocket, and not that of the Loyal servants of Amarr who wish for our heritage to remain sacred and unspoiled by foreigners.
Time is the ultimate judge of worth, and it remains to see how long a man of dubious moral fibre is found Worthy to remain as a Heir to Amarr!
Repent before it is too late!
These opinions are my own and are in no way to be associated with the policies of PIE Inc.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2004.04.27 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: AsheRaven
Peh
Let them waste their isk on out of date relics, we are a spiritual people, we have little need of "churches".
Yet y'all were so vocal about the Khumaak.. As deeply spiritual people, surely you don't really need it, then?
A symbol that reflects unity is better than a buliding that shares hypocrisy. I only commented on this thread to answer Neris's question, not to either support or degenrate your cultur, but I did so anyway it seems, oh well.
Get back your rally, my business here is done. I'll just watch the mirrored drama unfold.
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.04.27 17:24:00 -
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I'll gladly donate ISK and manpower to this cause on the following conditions:
ò The Cathedral is declared as belonging to the Empire and it's people
ò The Cathedral is not open for entry to non-Amarrians
ò Catiz Tash-Murkon is executed immediately
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Mijstor Jedann
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Posted - 2004.04.27 17:35:00 -
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:Update:
We, the Holders and Citizens of Amarr still await any contact from the Tash-Murkon house, or the Privy Council regarding this matter.
Just from reviewing these GalNet transmissions, it would seem we have
25 Million isk (possibly 30mill if we include Mr. Narok's donation, which conditions might prove a little difficult to fullfil) + 1,000 slaves already on the table willing to be donated by various cultural leaders from all corners of the Empire!
Let's keep this on track ladies and gentlemen, make enough noise, and the council WILL hear us!
If you have nothing positive or constructive to say about the matter, I respectfully ask that you move along.
Again, thank you all citizens of EvE for your time.
-end transmission-
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2004.04.27 17:57:00 -
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The Emperor has expressed his desire for the Cathedral to remain in its current state, through the actions of his son and the turning of his head.
Either do the Emperors will and let our way of life fall into a state foreshadowed by this viseral example, of fight against him.
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Nathan Adler
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Posted - 2004.04.27 19:19:00 -
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I will gladly donate 5 million isk for materials, and 500 slaves to aid in the labour needed to repair and keep this holy site free of foreign vagabonds. We must keep this cathedral pure not only in form, but in spirit as well. Allowing unclean heathens in would go against everything the cathedral, and we as a people, stand for.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.04.27 19:59:00 -
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I'm sure I can spare a few million as well as labour.
I'll try to get in touch with deathwing let him put his 50.000 slaves to good use for a change..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Tsual
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Posted - 2004.04.27 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 27/04/2004 20:30:51
Originally by: Tok Narok
ò Catiz Tash-Murkon is executed immediately
An Amarrian requesting the death of one of his empires heirs, man and I thought this deacon was the shining example of a fundamentalist.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.04.27 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tok Narok
I'll gladly donate ISK and manpower to this cause on the following conditions:
? The Cathedral is declared as belonging to the Empire and it's people
? The Cathedral is not open for entry to non-Amarrians
? Catiz Tash-Murkon is executed immediately
You want the execution of a Heir? I don't like the Tash-Murkon family because they are Udorians and bought their seat in the Privy Council with money. No other bloodline than Amarr should have the privilege to get a seat in the Privy Council and thereby getting the chance to become Emperor. I've said this several times before and I will continue as a religious reclaimer. But the Tash-Murkon are brave citizens of the Empire. Yes, the idea of Catiz Tash-Murkon is a mistake. The noble house Ardishapur and (to my surprise) the house Kador made their critic public. But at least Catiz Tash-Murkon was the only one until now who made an attempt to repair the damage done by Aritcio Kor-Azor.
If anyone is to blame, and I am aware what I am saying here, it is Aritcio Kor-Azor and those who defend his actions. I can say this as a Dark Amarr. But the citizens of the Empire you should be carefull if they agree with me. It's your Emperor who has the power and who controls the Ministry Of Internal Order and Aritcio is his son.
Regardless of all politics: my first goal is to uphold our traditions. My donation will be available to prevent a sellout of our religion to tourists. We are God's chosen people and not an attraction for tourists.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.04.27 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ardor
If anyone is to blame, and I am aware what I am saying here, it is Aritcio Kor-Azor and those who defend his actions. I can say this as a Dark Amarr. But the citizens of the Empire you should be carefull if they agree with me. It's your Emperor who has the power and who controls the Ministry Of Internal Order and Aritcio is his son.
Although we do agree where the responsibility of raising the Cathedral back to its former Glory lies, you seem to overlook the fact that when Doriam II ascended the Imperial Throne, he forsook all former ties with his blood.
The Emperor is of all families and none, he is Amarr incarnate, our beacon of Hope and Righteousness.
Infallible.
House Kador was the first and most verbal critic of the actions which despoiled this sacred Cathedral in the first place, and true to the heritage of Kador, will remain to stand for what is Truly Amarr.
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.04.27 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ardor
You want the execution of a Heir?
Yes.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.04.27 21:25:00 -
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What a silly thing to demand, Tok..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.04.27 21:50:00 -
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Catiz Tash-Murkon is clearly a traitor to the Amarrian people and to the Empire, and should be treated as such. By execution.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.04.27 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 27/04/2004 22:08:01
Actually:
Originally by: News
The cathedral has been closed since the incident and in need of repairs and renovations. None has been willing to take up this burden until Catiz stepped in.
Catiz stepped in with plans to repair the Cathedral after Artico Kor-Azor damaged it in the notories revelry he held there. She plans to fund the repairs, using revenue from 'tourism'
Originally by: News
Catiz plans to fund the extensive repairs needed by allowing tourists, for the first time, to visit the holy site
The cash and labour I offer, and that I expected this thread to be about, is to help restore the Cathedral using our resources so it can remain closed to the public, not disturbing the hallowed ground there.
You see, if anyone is to be executed, it should be Artico Kor-Azor. Catiz merely tries to save what he has ruined.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Mijstor Jedann
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Posted - 2004.04.27 22:22:00 -
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Tash-Murkon Family- The rolling momento of support is growing, with around 35 Million isk and countless slave labour being offered. Please, I respectfully ask for some form of statement regarding this matter. It will no doubt inspire citizens of the empire three-fold to keep the donations comming in, to see that this is not IN VEIN.
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.04.27 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Actually:
Do not presume to lecture me Discorporation. I'm perfectly aware of the situation... I too can read the news.
Originally by: Discorporation
The cash and labour I offer, and that I expected this thread to be about, is to help restore the Cathedral using our resources so it can remain closed to the public, not disturbing the hallowed ground there.
Precisely. I simply added conditions to my offer.
Originally by: Discorporation
You see, if anyone is to be executed, it should be Artico Kor-Azor. Catiz merely tries to save what he has ruined.
My opinions of Artico are not for this thread. Catiz however is clearly not restoring the cathedral for the good of the Empire and its people. The day the Tash-Murkon Family values the Empire over ISK, I'll stop wishing for their eradication.
Obviously I wish to see the cathedral repaired... but not at the price of welcoming scum through its doors.
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Lorna Doone
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Posted - 2004.04.27 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
The cash and labour I offer, and that I expected this thread to be about, is to help restore the Cathedral using our resources so it can remain closed to the public, not disturbing the hallowed ground there.
Que? So y'all are gonna blow a load of cash on doing up a place that you're not even allowed to go in?
More to the point, isn't a cathedral a place of worship, so shouldn't it be open to everybody, including 'foreign vagabonds' and 'unclean heathens?' How is anybody supposed to find your god if you don't let them in his house?
Anyway, I've got a foundation stone from an agent mission I fluffed up which you can have to help rebuild the place. I keep stubbing my toe on the damned thing.
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Mijstor Jedann
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Posted - 2004.04.28 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lorna Doone
Anyway, I've got a foundation stone from an agent mission I fluffed up which you can have to help rebuild the place. I keep stubbing my toe on the damned thing.
I bow to you Madamme, thank you for your pledged contribution.
We the people of Amarr still await an answer from the Tash-Murkon Representatives.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.04.28 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
Although we do agree where the responsibility of raising the Cathedral back to its former Glory lies, you seem to overlook the fact that when Doriam II ascended the Imperial Throne, he forsook all former ties with his blood.
The Emperor is of all families and none, he is Amarr incarnate, our beacon of Hope and Righteousness.
Infallible.
This is the way it should be. But I doubt Doriam is the rightfull Emperor so we will see.
quote from http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?nid=267&ntype=eve
"Ardishapur has demanded a full report of the 'incident' to be given to the Theology Council as soon as possible and that the Emperor, as the chief religious figure in the empire, reprimand Articio Kor-Azor for his irresponsible and sacrilegious behavior. The Imperial Chamberlain has already answered Ardishapur's request on behalf on the Emperor and stated that Doriam did not share Ardishapur's concern on the matter and would not take any action against Articio Kor-Azor."
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2004.04.28 01:00:00 -
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I too will pledge the 5mil ISK for the reconstruction of our holy and sacred cathederal. If I'm not mistaking, this now brings the total of our donations to 40mil ISK.
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Kular
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Posted - 2004.04.28 05:53:00 -
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I have been very concerned over this issue about "toursts" anywhere near our most holy of places. If by tourism Catiz Tash-Murkon means Amarrian holders who seek to enlighten their faith only. I would not be opposed to this. If it were opened to all the public I would be horrified to see rish Gallente pigs flooding in desecrating our most holy Cathedral with their holo-recorders, or even worse having a Minmatar set foot within those hollowed walls.
I think it is best that instead of deciding who should be allowed that we keep it as it is/was and Pledge 10 million of my personal funds to this and on behalf of my corp Dark Seraph would like to match this with another 20 million along with my personal workforce of over 4,000 slaves.
I hope that someone from the Tash-Murkon family would please contact Catiz and let her know we are willing to help in this deed!
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Mijstor Jedann
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Posted - 2004.04.28 06:09:00 -
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Even though it has only been a day, we have united quickly, and our Voices are united as ONE MESSAGE!
Still, no word from any officials.... my brethren, are we being ignored?
For Sanctity, for Tradition! Keep the pledges comming, no matter how small!
Thank you citizens of EvE and Godspeed -
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2004.04.28 06:13:00 -
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I must point out that all who have donated so far would not fit the criteria to enter the structure, this also goes to any slaves as they would not be allowed to enter the structure to repair it.
This would mean the only workforce able to repair the structure would be holders and higher, or drones. Drones would be the logical choice.
I cannot donate any ISK to this effort as the Ammatar Government has its own funding shortfalls.
I will volunteer my droid ITX-9 however. I told him of this and he was as sympathetic as I've seen him in a while. He said, "Yes, I'll help those religious fleshbags clean up their dirty work. My optronic sensors are 400 times more accurate then standard scanners and far greater then that over simple human judgement processes."
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Tar Magen
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tar Magen on 28/04/2004 07:53:19
I have devoted careful thought to this, balancing the sanctity of the Cathedral against the light the example of Saint Tal-Romon might bring into the lives of those who are called to visit, despite the unseemly means.
The continuity of our traditions must prevail. Nor is it fitting that our Cathedral be rebuilt however indirectly by those other than the people of Amarr. Please accept my pledge of five million ISK toward this worthy cause.
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Mirial
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:44:00 -
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I see a third alternative middle path whereby Holder and Amarr commoner alike contribute towards this rebuilding and be allowed to visit. Let the glory of the cathedral educate and enlighten all citizens of the empire and let its rebuilding be the duty of all. |
Tsual
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Posted - 2004.04.28 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 28/04/2004 07:50:39
Interesting fact told in the news:
Quote:
Catiz plans to fund the extensive repairs needed by allowing tourists, for the first time, to visit the holy site - dedicated to the saint Tal-Romon, the first Udorian to reach sainthood.
What is more interesting that Tash-Murkon is of Udorian origin, so she is opening a monument dedicated to a (for Empire citizen relevan) historic person from the same "historic" origin as herself - or at least planning to do so.
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Tsual - Miner from faith, frigat junky for life.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2004.04.28 08:42:00 -
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I will gladly donate five million ISK to the cause, if it means that this marvellous religious edifice will not become a holiday hotspot.
I would have thought though, that as allegedly the richest person in the Empire, Catiz Tash-Murkon could afford to foot the repair bill herself.
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Mijstor Jedann
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Posted - 2004.04.28 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mijstor Jedann on 28/04/2004 08:58:24
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I would have thought though, that as allegedly the richest person in the Empire, Catiz Tash-Murkon could afford to foot the repair bill herself.
Well pointed out, brethren Blake.
-Still no response from Tash-Murkon, or the Kor-Azor Families.
MILLIONS IN PLEDGES
CAN YOU HEAR US NOW?
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.04.28 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tok Narok
My opinions of Artico are not for this thread. Catiz however is clearly not restoring the cathedral for the good of the Empire and its people. The day the Tash-Murkon Family values the Empire over ISK, I'll stop wishing for their eradication.
Obviously I wish to see the cathedral repaired... but not at the price of welcoming scum through its doors.
Exactly. So, rather then offending the Heir who now owns the place, somewhat more reasonable 'demands' would be more in place, wouldn't you think.
Tash-Murkon or not, Catiz is an Heiress, offending them is often not the best course of action..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Tano
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Posted - 2004.04.28 11:11:00 -
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I suggest a compromise. Artico throws parties and Catiz sells tickets.
I am sure this would raise a fortune and show the rest of the universe what the Empire is really about.
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Tsoran Thespian
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Posted - 2004.04.28 13:50:00 -
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In the spirit of good faith and relation between the Amarr and the legacy I represent I would like to add to this good cause.
I will gladly, if accepted donate the matching ammount for the mere spirituality of this monumental task.
I would like to further this offer to factor 10 if it would be possible to permanently make service from any Minmatar slave result in the choice of freedom after working for a set number of years in the service of the temple.
I would not impeed the politics of the Gallente onto the honorable Amarr, I would however think that a softer approach towards the slaves could result in a more peacefull coexistence, hence my suggestion to let the sacerdotes be the ones to open up for such an idea.
I sincerely hope I have not been to offensive in my offer.
Best regards
Tsoran Thespian Emperor of Tarnec
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.04.28 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 28/04/2004 15:51:57
Looks like they've heard you, Jedann! 
I wonder how much it'll cost to clean the place up, though. 30-40 million is a lot (and I mean a -lot-) of isks.
Hmm
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Ezikiel
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Posted - 2004.04.28 15:58:00 -
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How can this be tolerated. Have we grown weak?! This would never be allowed in the past ages! Even to think about letting other races desecrate our most holy grounds is heresy! Does the Theology Council have nothing to say about this!?
Maybe its time to choose a new family to take the Khanids place instead of this non-Amarrs. Why were they chosen in the first place?
I will gladly donate millions and slave labor to restore our religions hollowed grounds.
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Ciar Meara
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 28/04/2004 16:26:58
Since our offers where not adequate enough for now I hereby double my donation to 10 million isk and offer the services of 2000 slaves to this cause. More shall be announced by others and cva I am shure.
But a more interesting matter I want to discuss. Something An Amarr loyalist named PrincessD proposed.
I call on the experts to release an aproximate number on the cost to rebuild this symbol of Amarr faith. So our brothers everywhere have a target to strive for many are willing to donate and work for its salvation but we need a ballpark figure to get the ball rolling fully. I am shure Mijstor Jedan can head up such a committy compromised of loyal Amarr corperations and volunteers.
Also perhaps it is a good idea to look at the long term care of the facility, perhaps the Ardishapur family could be persuaded to take over the care of the facility in the future?
PIE Inc
A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Ticket Master
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:09:00 -
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Would it were I had millions to donate, I would but I do not becasue I'm spending most of it trying to keep certain pirates at bay from our slave trade routes, whilst the rest of you play soldiers.
I shall wait for the final descion from my king before I make a final descion on this predicimant. I am sure some compromise can be made. I for one would be most distrurbed if the nonblessed were allowed full access to the restored buildings, and yet... we must do what we can to restore glory to the Amarr people. Glory longlost to the decednace of soft polotics and open borders.
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Ashka Neris
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:15:00 -
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I dn't truly think any of your offers are going to make a difference when you take into consideration the recontruction is only ht ebegining. There is long term matenance, insurance costs, structale integrity tests, securty considerations, staff need paying (unless of course you want you little church run by the unworthy slaves you have). The runing of every day rituals and cermony's need their costs covered...
oh my the list is endless...
Seems if you want you're building save, tourism may be the only option open to you.
But I guess I know what opening your empire to the public would mean, the once glorious Amarr empire would become nothing more than a tourist attraction, latching itself to the shark that is Concord, quite obviously the true power behind the authority you claim to have.
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:29:00 -
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i feel it is the duty of every loyal amarr to serve god!
if god's house is in danger i will of course be there to help!
i donate 5mill isk aswell!
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Tsual
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:38:00 -
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I wonder where Midular is, perfect situation for her to ruin the Republic, this time finacialy, for another 15 thousand slaves to be freed.
Never mind just being sarcastic.
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Nemesis I
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:51:00 -
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Being a citizen of Tash-Murkon, I would urge everyone, please await a response to your concerns, directly from Catiz herself, or one her representatives.
This could be a simple case of media hype, and from what I have read so far, we do not fully know her full intentions.
Nem
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2004.04.28 16:55:00 -
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I to wish to pledge my support to the repairs of this holy place with 5 million ISK. Its the very leats i can do for my people and my God. Tho ISK my not be enogh to restore the holy site to its former glory, the clergy must undertake a cleansing ceromony.
May Gods chosen prove worthy of his choise.
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Mijstor Jedann
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Posted - 2004.04.28 17:02:00 -
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To the Family Tash-Murkon-
More Financially viable you say? I follow my brother Ciar's example, and double, my amount pledged. 10mill isk from my pocket from one sinlge Pilot. We are many, our voice IS ONE!
We the people of Amarr pleade that it not be opened as a tourist attraction! The funds will NOT stop pouring in!
I respectfully ask again to keep your responses civil and relevant, this is a deeply holy matter for our people. I would also like to thank citizens for respecting this request thus far, and is appreciated.
NO AMOUNT TOO SMALL
ONE VOICE! ONE CAUSE! NO DISSANCTITY FOR St. Tal Romon or our FAITH!
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Originally by: Ciar Meara
But a more interesting matter I want to discuss. Something An Amarr loyalist named PrincessD proposed.
I call on the experts to release an aproximate number on the cost to rebuild this symbol of Amarr faith. So our brothers everywhere have a target to strive for many are willing to donate and work for its salvation but we need a ballpark figure to get the ball rolling fully.
I agree with Ciar Meara. I also wonder how big the rampant destruction in this so called 'incident' really is to be able to offer a suitable donation. The behaviour of the house Kor-Azor on this matter isn't acceptable but that's not surprising to me.
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Posted - 2004.04.28 17:46:00 -
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i will also send 520 marines to guard the kathedral and observe the working slaves.
and i double up my donation on 10mil also
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.04.28 18:14:00 -
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I am but a humble Amarrian. But I have the pride of thousands for my heritage. This potential public defilment of our church is the greatest threat to Amarr in recent memory.
To imagine these tourists will step on holy ground and cast thier gaze upon the sacred walls drives me to tears of rage. We must not allow this to happen.
While I am not wealthy I will vow to contribute $1,000,000isk and 250 of my finest slaves as free labor to keep this public stampede from occuring.
Hail Amarr and Long Live the Emperor!
Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.04.28 18:45:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 28/04/2004 18:48:01
As a member of the Theological Council, I cannot choose sides in this political conflict between the Kador, Tash-Murkon, and Ardishapur houses. I can only beg of the Emperor himself to hear all arguments and pass judgement in accordance with his Divine right.
I have faith that whatever comes of this will be His will, not ours. While we Amarr occasionally disagree, I doubt this will come to blows. The lesser races circle this event like sharks looking for an Amarrian civil war, or any sign of weakness on our part. I suggest that we do not give them one.
For those of you who called for the execution the Task Murkon Heir, shame on you. The Amarr Empire needs clever businesspeople and industrialists as much as we need holders, clergymen, commoners, and even slaves. What would we be without the great mega corporations such as Tash-Murkon, Carthum, Viziam, and Imperial Dreams?
I call on all loyal God-fearing Amarr to cut the vile rancor, and tone the rhetoric down a shade. We are His chosen people, and we are better than what I have seen so far.
- Captain Ezar Vorbarra, Deacon
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Posted - 2004.04.28 21:04:00 -
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The desecration of a holy place cannot be tolerated. It is in good faith that Amarr noblemen come to worship, but it should not be beside unbelieving inferior beings, who do not understand the least about our faith.
As such i pledge 5million ISK to the cause of restoring the cathedral and keeping it clean of any taint that could be brought by alien entrance of such a holy place.
Faith manages.
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Posted - 2004.04.28 21:44:00 -
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the amount you're offering in total will only ammount to two battleships at the very least, not the restration and upkeep of an entire historical relic.
C'mon people, think religously here
ever heard the saying "All that I have?"
If you have love for your God, show it...
Geez, who'd have thought I'd be giving spiritual advice to an Amarian?
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Kular
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Posted - 2004.04.28 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ashka Neris
I dn't truly think any of your offers are going to make a difference when you take into consideration the recontruction is only ht ebegining. There is long term matenance, insurance costs, structale integrity tests, securty considerations, staff need paying (unless of course you want you little church run by the unworthy slaves you have). The runing of every day rituals and cermony's need their costs covered...
oh my the list is endless...
I thought you would be smarter than to make such foolish remarks as these. Unlike the constructs of your people we Amarrians build structures to last for not centuries, but eons. It takes a violent act of destruction to undo what Amarr has made, so when the temple has been restored to full condition no "maintence" shall be needed.
Quote:
Seems if you want you're building save, tourism may be the only option open to you.
But I guess I know what opening your empire to the public would mean, the once glorious Amarr empire would become nothing more than a tourist attraction, latching itself to the shark that is Concord, quite obviously the true power behind the authority you claim to have.
The empire is open to the public, all those who serve under our laws and obey by our rules are welcome to travel our space. Concord does not affect Amarr in any way shape or form. It is we who decide what is best for the Amarrian race and not any influence of others shall ever change that!
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Ashka Neris
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Posted - 2004.04.28 22:01:00 -
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Oh well, I'l just sit backand watch the comedy unravel then
You're obviously so wrapped up in your faith that you've fogtten about economic reality. This structure you want rebuilt certainly did not stand the test of time, and I have seen monumants on Matar far older than anything amarr could have built, most of them natural, and you never got to destory those.
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.04.28 22:31:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra
For those of you who called for the execution the Task Murkon Heir, shame on you. The Amarr Empire needs clever businesspeople and industrialists as much as we need holders, clergymen, commoners, and even slaves. What would we be without the great mega corporations such as Tash-Murkon, Carthum, Viziam, and Imperial Dreams?
Clever businesspeople are exactly that Ezar - business people. They are naturally motivated by profit and asset wealth. I agree that they are an integral part of society, but I do not believe they are qualified to "own" Imperial property such as the Tal-Romon Cathedral, nor do I believe they should be allowed to make a mockery of our religion!
The Kador and Ardishapur families clearly follow the same thoughts, and we all can guess that Jamyl Sarum would have moved half of the Navy to Kor-Azor Prime by now...
Shame? I feel no shame. In my eyes Catiz is a traitor to us all.
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Posted - 2004.04.28 22:32:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Ashka Neris
You're obviously so wrapped up in your faith that you've fogtten about economic reality. This structure you want rebuilt certainly did not stand the test of time, and I have seen monumants on Matar far older than anything amarr could have built, most of them natural, and you never got to destory those.
Hi.
I've come to tell you you're wrong.
Before the incident involving Artico Kor-Azor, the temple obviously stood and was maintained quite perfectly. I would imagine that the costs of maintaining it are the same, after it has been restored to its splendor, the splendor it had before the 'incident', as they used to be. Quite simple logic, really.
ohh, and the natural monuments you talk about are most likely things like mountains and seas..
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Posted - 2004.04.28 22:34:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Tok Narok
Jamyl Sarum
I miss Sarum  .
Grown quite fond of the Sarum ideology in the past years..
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Ashka Neris
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Posted - 2004.04.28 22:35:00 -
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"...Most likely...."
Not that this is much of an insult to you, but shows how educated really you are. As I said, your faith has blinded you to reality, which is comedy enough for me
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Kular
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Posted - 2004.04.28 23:06:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Ashka Neris
"...Most likely...."
Not that this is much of an insult to you, but shows how educated really you are. As I said, your faith has blinded you to reality, which is comedy enough for me
You are quite enough comedy for me
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Ashka Neris
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Posted - 2004.04.28 23:28:00 -
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With a face like that?
You have a cheek talking about comedy :p
c'mon then give us a smile...
C'mon gentlemen dont let me distract you from the topic at hand. I only made suggestions to help you on your merry little mission... obviously logic is more distracting then helpful to you, so please don't mind me.
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Ticket Master
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Posted - 2004.04.28 23:30:00 -
[66]
Sighs...
It took four posts to change the topic.. and what upsets me most, it wasn't the half breed who did it....
I'll just get back to my packing
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Ezar Vorbarra
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Posted - 2004.04.28 23:49:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Tok Narok
Shame? I feel no shame. In my eyes Catiz is a traitor to us all.
Remember Tok Narok, that Catiz Tash-Murkon is not merely a clever industrialist and businessperson, she is also an imperial heir. She is nobility in our feudal society. As such she is one of the representatives of our government, an advisor to our glorious Emperor, and she deserves all the respect due to her post.
Need I remind you that we Amarrians are not a society of free speech and democratic ideals. We do not slander our leaders, nor do we call for their execution. We are a stable society: free of the strife, poverty, and self-indulgent decadence of other empires. We trust in our Emperor and God to guide our leaders to the right path. We Amarrians know our place, and it is below all of the heirs.
I will ask politely one last time brother: Tone down your rhetoric against members of our government. We are better than those societies that tolerate such impudence and stupidity. Instead have faith that our Holy Emperor will make the right decision in the end.
Captain Ezar Vorbarra, Deacon
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.04.29 00:07:00 -
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Ashka Neris and those with the same inclination to post derogatory remarks, in effect degrading the quality of the discussion and theme in question, I ask you to leave this thread alone.
We have been asked the same several times in the past, and have left the thread alone as a result. Now is the time to show off your own character.
That said, I also support the question of being given an estimate of total repair costs for the Cathedral, and the chance for us to gather this amount in order to keep sacred ground unspoiled. I look to Catiz Tash-Murkon for a reply on this.
Secondly, it is my personal wish that the Cathedral, after being restored to its former glory, should be turned over to the Emperor family. Who better suited to govern and protect our relics than the Emperor himself!
As a final note, my finest artisans, stonemasons and labor has been set aside indefinetly, for eventual participation in the project of reviving the Cathedral. Although there is little chance of escape or insubordination during such a project, the presence of Slaver Hounds, whom I can spare 20 of for as long as necessary, might be a positive incentive to boost efficiency during work hours.
Long live the Empire!
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2004.04.29 01:04:00 -
[69]
If more money is what it takes to keep the tourists out of our holy places, then more money is what they will recieve.
I up my original pledge of 5mil ISK by 15mil to make it a total of 20mil ISK.
Mijstor, please provide us with an update on the tally so far.
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Posted - 2004.04.29 05:11:00 -
[70]
I must address some logical problems before the Amarr. As a navigator droid, one of my primary funcitons is to analize and correct logical errors in a ships navigation system. My adaptive AI circutry uses this same procedure for judging other processes. I have analized your activities here and will now submit a report for logical correction!
Logical Error: If only Amarr holders and their supiriors are the only beings allowed to enter the church, then that means that no repair crew can be used! Slaves cannot be put inside the church as it would violate Amarr edicts. You would need a drone work force, so I would recommend all those offering slaves to instead offer drones. Drones are non-sentiant and are damned from the start. Why look at me! I have to address faults in a church that is not high in my priority system! We are slaves to our programming and are non-sentiant. Therefore I would say that god would care less about droids/drones then he does about a milkshake.
Logical Error: Non-Amarr are offering assistnace when they cannot. It would be against Amarr edict for the Amarr accept such help. I would recommend that all non-amarr that have offered help cease and desist immidiately out of respect for Amarr edict. I withdraw my offer to help as I am property of my Master, who is an Ammatar. A lesser being.
That is all that I have found so far. However as I enter semi-active mode each day to recharge my power cells, my analysis program will be analyizing this situation further. I apologize for any inconveniance, however it is required by my analysis program to report, and attempt to correct, any logical errors in any situations I observe.
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Ashka Neris
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Posted - 2004.04.29 06:55:00 -
[71]
Gais, my remarks were not deroitotroy till Discorpiration decided to isult Minmtar monumants. I ahve merely pointed out the obvious and the truth. It is clear you cannot either handle the the truth in any form, and considering the insults the Minmimtar had to put up with from you personally over the Khumaak issue (or anything) you yourself have a lot of hypocrsy talking about insults and derogitory remarks.
The fact remains, 5 mil isk each is not going to achieve anyting, and it galls me to think that reigning your wallets is more important than your faith.
Faith requires sacrifice, all I see here are token gestures. That is not a dergitory comment, it is an observation of faith, which you all seem to be displaying a lack of right now.
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Ticket Master
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Posted - 2004.04.29 07:29:00 -
[72]
Faith in deed requires sacrifice Ashka
But we don't need you to remind us of this, we have to learn this ourselves...
For what it's worth, your assesment is somewhat logical, if the tone is a bit harsh (I expect nothng less from a traitor). This will require more than isk it seems, but personal time and dedication
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Posted - 2004.04.29 10:14:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Ashka Neris
"...Most likely...."
Not that this is much of an insult to you, but shows how educated really you are. As I said, your faith has blinded you to reality, which is comedy enough for me
Ah, yes, please name other natural monuments, then..
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.04.29 10:38:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Ezar Vorbarra
Remember Tok Narok, that Catiz Tash-Murkon is not merely a clever industrialist and businessperson, she is also an imperial heir. She is nobility in our feudal society. As such she is one of the representatives of our government, an advisor to our glorious Emperor, and she deserves all the respect due to her post.
Need I remind you that we Amarrians are not a society of free speech and democratic ideals. We do not slander our leaders, nor do we call for their execution. We are a stable society: free of the strife, poverty, and self-indulgent decadence of other empires. We trust in our Emperor and God to guide our leaders to the right path. We Amarrians know our place, and it is below all of the heirs.
I will ask politely one last time brother: Tone down your rhetoric against members of our government. We are better than those societies that tolerate such impudence and stupidity. Instead have faith that our Holy Emperor will make the right decision in the end.
Captain Ezar Vorbarra, Deacon
Ezar, you need not remind me of anything. I stated my "rhetoric" as simple conditions to my donation - it is others who made me expand upon my opinions. My opinions are my own, and if asked, I will freely share them.
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Posted - 2004.04.29 12:12:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Gaius Kador on 29/04/2004 12:14:21
Originally by: Ashka Neris
It is clear you cannot either handle the the truth in any form, and considering the insults the Minmimtar had to put up with from you personally over the Khumaak issue (or anything) you yourself have a lot of hypocrsy talking about insults and derogitory remarks.
Did you even read the part concerning us leaving a thread alone when asked to? I do not intend to sink down to your level and post, lets say on the thread of that dead Raven Misha. Yet you persist, and that shows your lack of character.
Now to ensure the thread is kept on topic, I'll leave it with this.
Its personal now witch.
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Posted - 2004.04.29 12:19:00 -
[76]
Originally by: ITX9
Logical Error: If only Amarr holders and their supiriors are the only beings allowed to enter the church, then that means that no repair crew can be used!
We use what we deem fit for the reconstruction, slave labour has been used to build many grand monuments envisaged by the Amarr, and so it shall remain.
End of discussion.
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Ashka Neris
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Posted - 2004.04.29 12:27:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Ashka Neris on 29/04/2004 12:31:56
I aplogise for giving my opinion. I simply offered advice... although my brutor nature gets the better of me,insult was not inteded, but brutal honesty. I'm sure what I feel about this cathedrial, the ony thing that bothers me is what it represents, the slaves reuquired to build it, in which case I'd rather not see it rebuilt at all.
All I'm saying s this, you need more than what you are offering to keep this monumant going. It is clear it's propiators know this well, hence the tourist issue, yet you are aurging that it is not worthy of tourists but your own "blessed" selves. The alternative you offer is noble to your "faith", but of little practiable use. All I am saying is that there are alternatives.
Have you ever thought of buying the ruins and workign the structure and upkeeps yourselves? Make it a national heretige, sponsoured by the people for the people. That may not be the only soloution to your problem.
If you take my taking an interest in the other part of my heritage personally Giaus, then I shan't take your advice on keeping an interest in it any longer if thats what you want. As my friend Pulgor often reminds me, it is folly to turn your back fully on half of what you are.
This is your faith under attack, not mine, but it is my heritage, whetehr I like it or not.
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Ticket Master
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Posted - 2004.04.29 12:35:00 -
[78]
Purchase God's land?
Politcally tricky, ecomically sensible, spirtually... well.. er... I... controversial?
Alternatives.... let me think on that
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Posted - 2004.04.29 12:50:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 29/04/2004 12:51:43
BROTHERS!!!!!!!
at the moment it is no use discussing who is a traitor and needs to be executed or not.
our most important goal right now has to be how can we safe the cathedral!
to my shame i can offer nothing but isk! i'm a mere scientist and no economist, but still i will increase my contribution again to 15mil isk!
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Ticket Master
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Posted - 2004.04.29 12:57:00 -
[80]
Hmm, a name springs to mind
"The Amarrian Faith Alliance"
An alliance dedicated to the restoration and presevation of Amarrian places of worship and faith.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2004.04.29 13:12:00 -
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I am really sorry to say that I have to withdraw my offer of donation. It's a shame to break my word. It's not about the ISK and the slaves. But after thinking about this topic I saw another problem and my donation could cause a bigger shame on me than the withdrawing of the donation. I will now pray for enlightment from God as I can't find a solution of this problem myself in the moment. For now I can't make any usefull comments on this topic anymore.
my reason: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=76871
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Posted - 2004.05.01 01:13:00 -
[82]
I also will pledge my loyalty for the good of the empire.
Having said this i am unable to give support in material means at this moment due to my prolonged absence.
I will pray for a swift victory though.
May the emperor show mercy on all that oppose Amarr.
I hail all those who know off my name.
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Ciar Meara
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Posted - 2004.05.01 17:36:00 -
[83]
Seeing the news makes a man glad, the Emperor has acknowleged our plight, and up till now the cathedral has been clear of tourists and the heirs that support the good cause are gathering for a meeting.
Indeed brothers, now is the time to make our voice heared ever stronger!
PIE Inc
A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Posted - 2004.05.02 03:43:00 -
[84]
It is time to reunite. LetÆs show everyone that we can do this without making this a universal struggle. We will restore our most glorious monuments that can stand the test of time!
I expand my donations to 50 Slave hounds and 5 more millions whether in minerals or wealth so that will make them 10 millions and extended slave labor.
Sound as one! Praised be the Emperor!
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Posted - 2004.05.02 12:56:00 -
[85]
I shall await the decision of Doriam II patiently, and with knowledge that our plea shall not go unheeded.
As the first Udorian Saint, Tal-Romon's heritage should not be tainted by the presence of heretics. His service to the Empire deserves better, as do our combined legacy.
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Posted - 2004.05.02 14:25:00 -
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First off, I apologise for intruding on this discussion. This is, after all, mostly an internal affair of the Amarr Empire.
As a Nefantar, I hold great reverence for st Tal-Romon. Apart from all his lessons and contributions to the Empire, Tal-Romon, more then any saint, is a great inspiration to all who seek enlightenment but are not of pure Amarrian descent.
In a way, so is is the rise of House Tash-Murkon- which is of course a house with a lot of Udorian blood in it. This challenges and inspires me and my own to work harder and keep strifing to better ourselves.
The desecration of the Cathedral on Eclipticum was, of course, quite horrible. But I am not so sure if Lord Catiz Tash-Murkon has it wrong when he proposes to open, especially, this holy site to "the public". Who knows, it might get some more people to study the Scriptures?
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Posted - 2004.05.05 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mijstor Jedann on 05/05/2004 19:00:22
Brethren of the Amarr Community-
We can all see for ourselves the records of these communications that much support is
available, in the forms of ISK, slave labour, construction blocks, etc.
Perhaps once the Jove Directorate is through making its rounds tomorrow, Sir Kor-Azor
will be more able to attend to this matter.
Thank you for your time
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Ezar Vorbarra
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Posted - 2004.05.07 03:35:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 07/05/2004 03:37:47
Edited by: Ezar Vorbarra on 07/05/2004 03:37:10
Hail and Glory to our Emperor Doriam Kor-Azor II, long may he live and reign over God's chosen people.
As you all know his Imperial majesty has intervened in the debate and taken the renovation of the cathedral under his personal control.
I would like to take a moment to remind the faithless amongst you exactly why God chose this particular Emperor for us. He has a divine mandate to settle all disputes between the heirs, and he clearly has the willpower to do so.
Allow me to close with a prayer:
The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil.
Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority.
The Scriptures, Book I
May all Amarrian sacred churches, and indeed our holy traditions be preserved for another thousand years! God save our Emperor.
Captain Ezar Vorbarra, Deacon
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.05.07 09:06:00 -
[89]
Given the change in circumstances, I hereby revoke the conditions of my offer of assistance. My primary concern has always been the future sanctity of the Cathedral, and with the Emperor claiming the Cathedral as Imperial property my first condition is practically fulfilled anyway.
As long as the Cathedral remains Imperial property:
I offer 10 million ISK and my entire slave workforce (along with associated guards and slaver hounds).
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