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Epegi Givo Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.04 06:50:00 - [1] How about a ship that is entirely dedicated to smartbombs. I will let you all discuss what type of ship it could be, but it should at least be able to use medium or large bombs. Maybe it could be a BC that had CPU and PG bonused to smartbombs that allow it to sue larges. Its bonuses to smart bombs can be all sorts of stuff, like less cap per use and more damage. Also I think this ship should be really fast, I mean REALLY fast, like almost inty fast, but have no turret slots, it can only be equipped with non-turret/missile launcher things. What I think this would be good for is anti-frigate/drone. Like it? Don't like it? Something to add?
Epegi Givo Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.04 22:30:00 - [2] bump
Lusulpher Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.05.05 05:13:00 - [3] I believe we have the Titans as a model of how that can be abused... But to assist your idea, this would clean up lag a bit if drones and fighters were removed by these efficient ships. How much fire should these ships be able to withstand? Seeing as a squad of these mismanaged(built in balancing) would quickly end their 'kamikaze' activities. Too little and the frigs/drones will bring them down very quickly, too much, and you have Goonfleet's new ship standard... Unfortunately, this can only be used offensively, as defending a friendly primary from drones, will end in friendly fire. And this might intrude on ECM ships very heavily, nanoships with no tracking issues x5 vs a fully ECM-fit Scorpion/Rook/Falcon... I still want to see something more done with smartbombs however. Live and Let Die...All of it...null
Epegi Givo Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.05 14:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Lusulpher I believe we have the Titans as a model of how that can be abused... But to assist your idea, this would clean up lag a bit if drones and fighters were removed by these efficient ships. How much fire should these ships be able to withstand? Seeing as a squad of these mismanaged(built in balancing) would quickly end their 'kamikaze' activities. Too little and the frigs/drones will bring them down very quickly, too much, and you have Goonfleet's new ship standard... Unfortunately, this can only be used offensively, as defending a friendly primary from drones, will end in friendly fire. And this might intrude on ECM ships very heavily, nanoships with no tracking issues x5 vs a fully ECM-fit Scorpion/Rook/Falcon... I still want to see something more done with smartbombs however. I would imagine these things as Tech 2 tier 2 Battlecruisers who have mods that let them use large smartbombs. I would also imagine these things as easily nano-able. But this is balanced out by the fact that for their bombs to affect anyone they have to be within web range. They would also have around 2/3-1/2 the health of a normal BC. Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Epegi Givo Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.06 01:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Epegi Givo Originally by: Lusulpher I believe we have the Titans as a model of how that can be abused... But to assist your idea, this would clean up lag a bit if drones and fighters were removed by these efficient ships. How much fire should these ships be able to withstand? Seeing as a squad of these mismanaged(built in balancing) would quickly end their 'kamikaze' activities. Too little and the frigs/drones will bring them down very quickly, too much, and you have Goonfleet's new ship standard... Unfortunately, this can only be used offensively, as defending a friendly primary from drones, will end in friendly fire. And this might intrude on ECM ships very heavily, nanoships with no tracking issues x5 vs a fully ECM-fit Scorpion/Rook/Falcon... I still want to see something more done with smartbombs however. I would imagine these things as Tech 2 tier 2 Battlecruisers who have mods that let them use large smartbombs. I would also imagine these things as easily nano-able. But this is balanced out by the fact that for their bombs to affect anyone they have to be within web range. They would also have around 2/3-1/2 the health of a normal BC. No comments? Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Epegi Givo Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.10 05:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Epegi Givo Originally by: Lusulpher I believe we have the Titans as a model of how that can be abused... But to assist your idea, this would clean up lag a bit if drones and fighters were removed by these efficient ships. How much fire should these ships be able to withstand? Seeing as a squad of these mismanaged(built in balancing) would quickly end their 'kamikaze' activities. Too little and the frigs/drones will bring them down very quickly, too much, and you have Goonfleet's new ship standard... Unfortunately, this can only be used offensively, as defending a friendly primary from drones, will end in friendly fire. And this might intrude on ECM ships very heavily, nanoships with no tracking issues x5 vs a fully ECM-fit Scorpion/Rook/Falcon... I still want to see something more done with smartbombs however. I would imagine these things as Tech 2 tier 2 Battlecruisers who have mods that let them use large smartbombs. I would also imagine these things as easily nano-able. But this is balanced out by the fact that for their bombs to affect anyone they have to be within web range. They would also have around 2/3-1/2 the health of a normal BC. What I am imagine is something that could fly around to people really fast and just run through enemy lines and bomb them, some may say that this is unbalanced because you could just orbit an enemy and they can't do a thing about it but it isn't because for smart bombs to work you need to be within web range. Is there anything else I missed Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.05.10 08:18:00 - [7] If its t1, it would be heaven squared for macro fighters/suicide gankers. ------------------------------ EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse.
Epegi Givo Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Havok Dryke If its t1, it would be heaven squared for macro fighters/suicide gankers. it is a tech 2 ship Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Epegi Givo Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.16 05:32:00 - [9] up Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Epegi Givo Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.20 01:13:00 - [10] someone please tell me what is wrong with this. Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Thunderbird Anthares Crimson Star Empire	Posted - 2008.05.20 06:24:00 - [11] dont know,i think its just a weird idea,even tho i like it i dont support that it should be inty-fast but making a destroyer and BC for each race with bonuses for this would seem appropriate,with some sort of speed bonus for them sometimes you just need to get rid of dronz and fightaz ------------------------------------------------ When you get to the end of your journey,everything that really matters is the journey itself.
Hesod Adee Xen Of Onslaught	Posted - 2008.05.20 08:54:00 - [12] I'm thinking a ramming type ship. So big engines for decent speed for its size, but low turning. No drone bay because the smartbombs would just kill your drones. Decent tank so it can survive the travel to the target. No turret or missile hardpoints, since that isn't what this ship is meant to do. Naturally give bonuses to smartbombs. Another possible bonus would be a % chance (checked each cycle) for webbers targeting the ship to fail.
Doc Iridium Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.20 09:59:00 - [13] Honestly the only thing "wrong" with smartbombs now is that their ranges are too short. Create a skill that will give 20% per level range bonus on smartbombs and they will become very useful, both for pve and pvp. They would still be fitting hogs and cap hogs, but with the extremely short ranges they have now, anything other than a large officer or faction smartbomb just doesn't have the range to do much at all for any PVPer or even any PVE'er who is doing lvl 3 or lvl 4 missions. Sure some drones and small frigates close to inside 5km in lvl 3 and lvl 4 missions, but not many. Almost everything orbits at 6km+ Destroying large masses of walls and structures inside missions with smartbombs is about their only use in lvl 3's and 4's, but since mission walls and structures rarely drop anything worthwhile... Doubling the range of all smartbombs will make smartbombs a useful counter to warp scrambling and jamming. Unspecialized ships with low end jamming and scrambling gear would than actually be unsure if they can stay out of range of a smartbomb. A 20km (10km currently) range officer smartbomb might be very rare, but they do exist. PVP players with high end faction scramblers and ships would still be able to tackle without serious concern about smartbombs, as with lvl 5 in the smartbomb range skill, the 100% bonus will still only give a maximal range of 20ish km for a smartbomb module that probably runs 500 mill at the least. Well, I've said my piece - wait, is that Veldspar over there? Woot!
BlondieBC Minmatar Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.20 16:09:00 - [14] destroyers need a lot of love. Why not add a role bonus that lets destroyers use large smart bombs? Role Bonus: 15% reduction in cpu, powergrid, and capacitor usage per lvl. These ships are made of glass, so easy to kill. This would help break up blobs.
procurement specialist	Posted - 2008.05.20 20:24:00 - [15] increase smartbomb range 20% per level or something. best boost imo.
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.05.20 20:30:00 - [16] Originally by: procurement specialist increase smartbomb range 20% per level or something. best boost imo. nods this would probably be a better ship bonus then fitting large bombs on a medium class hull. In general I really like this idea. Smartbombs are the only weapon system that doesn't have SOME ship with bonuses for it. A very step headed red child of the killamajigs.
Munen Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.05.20 21:47:00 - [17] Originally by: BlondieBC destroyers need a lot of love. Why not add a role bonus that lets destroyers use large smart bombs? Role Bonus: 15% reduction in cpu, powergrid, and capacitor usage per lvl. These ships are made of glass, so easy to kill. This would help break up blobs. I was going to crticize the op but I ended up liking this particular suggestion since it fits well with destroyer ships. If they are meant to be anti-frigate being anti drone as well wouldn't be so bad. Still I would say this new attribute should be reserved for a tier 2 or tech 2 version that can reduce cpu/grid and extend the range. Be mindful of your surroundings.
Epegi Givo Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.20 21:51:00 - [18] so the multiple ideas floating around point to a ship that really isn't quite that fast, but can equip a lot of bombs. People say that this should be for the destroyer. Here is my idea taking this into account: A destroyer that can go pretty fast but has bad maneuverability, has a bonus to PG/CPU/capacitor for smartbombs that allow it to equip larges, has a destroyer level tank but when I say fast I mean fast, as in charge up at ridiculous speeds but can't turn worth #%#@. If it wanted to orbit something at top speed then it would have to be at least 30km away It would have a range bonus that if you get the skill to level 5 it would be 100% bonus, It would also have a pretty nice cap, and enough low/mid slots to be able to fit cap upgrades(but not too many) Is this what people are looking for? Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
BlondieBC Minmatar Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.21 04:10:00 - [19] Originally by: procurement specialist increase smartbomb range 20% per level or something. best boost imo. agreed, better idea.
Hesod Adee Xen Of Onslaught	Posted - 2008.05.21 07:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Doc Iridium Doubling the range of all smartbombs will make smartbombs a useful counter to warp scrambling and jamming. Yes, a range bonus to smartbombs would be much better than a % chance for hostile web failure. Another idea to consider is giving the ship a long targeting range so that, if it gets over 150km away, it can do tactical warps towards the enemies. Did it drop its lock because it is running away, or is it about to land right on top of you ? Though if that happens, should it be allowed to tackle, or should it get some penalties to webs and/or scrams ? Quote: Well, I've said my piece - wait, is that Veldspar over there? Woot! A while back I was thinking about a signature spoofing module that made your ship looks like something else, such as another players ship or an asteroid. Imagine pretending to be an asteroid when an enemy miner shows up, then slowly drifting towards them (did that roid move, or am I seeing things ?) and setting off your smartbombs. So it's not veld, it's the smartbomb ship.
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.05.21 08:36:00 - [21] Edited by: J''Mkarr Soban on 21/05/2008 08:37:50 I'm not sure. Smartbombs are defence for the ship using it. Trying to use it as an offensive weapon to defend other ships will cause a nightmare of problems with regards to friendly fire and CONCORDing. And if everyone keeps away from their fleet mates, they can't protect them, so it's pointless. And drone ships aren't going to be stupid enough to set their drones on one of these ships, so it becomes useless. Having them on individual ships is a far superior alternative. -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Heelay Ashrum Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.21 09:11:00 - [22] ROLE BONUS: enbedded +50% SB range Per level skill bonuses: t2 hurricane bonus 1: +5% SB explo damage bonus 2: +5% SB rof t2 harbinger bonus 1: +5% SB em damage bonus 2: -10% SB cap usage t2 drake: bonus 1: +10% SB range bonus 2: -10% SB cap usage t2 myrmidon: bonus 1: +5% SB therm damage bonus 2: +10% SB range
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.21 10:13:00 - [23] Originally by: Heelay Ashrum ROLE BONUS: enbedded +50% SB range Per level skill bonuses: t2 hurricane bonus 1: +5% SB explo damage bonus 2: +5% SB rof t2 harbinger bonus 1: +5% SB em damage bonus 2: -10% SB cap usage t2 drake: bonus 1: +10% SB range bonus 2: -10% SB cap usage t2 myrmidon: bonus 1: +5% SB therm damage bonus 2: +10% SB range I take it you dont like minmatar/amarr... a ship with a sb range bonus seems nice but if u r gonna do it give it to all, minmatar seem to be completely screwed by the above idea.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.21 10:15:00 - [24] It is a specialty ship we don't have.
procurement specialist	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:17:00 - [25] i would warp one of these into a fighter blob so fast :D
BlondieBC Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:02:00 - [26] Originally by: J'Mkarr Soban Edited by: J''Mkarr Soban on 21/05/2008 08:37:50 I'm not sure. Smartbombs are defence for the ship using it. Trying to use it as an offensive weapon to defend other ships will cause a nightmare of problems with regards to friendly fire and CONCORDing. And if everyone keeps away from their fleet mates, they can't protect them, so it's pointless. And drone ships aren't going to be stupid enough to set their drones on one of these ships, so it becomes useless. Having them on individual ships is a far superior alternative. Difficulty to use weapons exist in real life. Close air support with a 2000lb bomb without killing your own guys is not easy. Even with massive amounts of training for US pilots, bombing the wrong thing (Chinese Embassy, Canadian Soldiers, Wedding Festivials, etc) is not unheard of.
Epegi Givo New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:32:00 - [27] what I was originally thinking is a ship that uses smartbombs, has bonuses to them so it can ahve extra damage, maybe ability to not hurt allies (cause they are SMARTbombs, and can pick who to blast) (maybe some backstory on how shields get deployed on certain areas of the explosion so it shields allies?) and able to fit larges but NO RANGE BONUS. in stead of a range bonus it would have a really good max speed, but a debonus where it gets hit REALLY hard by webs. so they could orbit an enemy at 5km away at 5km a second but if webbed by the most basic web it starts going 10m/s. Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
d3vo	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:01:00 - [28] sb is like a utility module great vs drones and frigates in missions would like a larger range... ...
Epegi Givo New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:31:00 - [29] Originally by: d3vo sb is like a utility module great vs drones and frigates in missions would like a larger range... that is why this ship is so fast, it can fly up REALLY close to somebody quickly and release all hell. this isn't supposed to be a mission-runner ship, it is a small-gang ship/fleet ship tat goes in and kills everything in a small area. Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
procurement specialist	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:12:00 - [30] i want to be able to hit multiple ships as to once if they come in in a small blob with my new supersized smart bombs. is that so wrong?
Epegi Givo New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:38:00 - [31] Originally by: procurement specialist i want to be able to hit multiple ships as to once if they come in in a small blob with my new supersized smart bombs. is that so wrong? no it is not so wrong. Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.05.24 01:12:00 - [32] I have this to say. Me likes. Me wants. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Epegi Givo New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.24 04:59:00 - [33] Originally by: Celeste Coeval I have this to say. Me likes. Me wants. and we all hopefully gets. Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Talthoras IX Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.24 05:41:00 - [34] Here's my ideas, compounding on yours. I'm using the Cormorant and Hurricane as examples. .......... Ruffian (Cormorant Class Hull) - Tactical Assault Ship Role Bonus: 99% Reduction in Medium Smartbomb Pwg. need. Destroyers skill Bonus: +10% Damage of Medium Smartbombs per level. Tactical Assault Ship skill Bonus: +5% Reduction of Medium Smartbomb Capacitor use per skill level. High Slots: 7 Medium Slots: 5 Low Slots: 2 Required Skills: Destroyers V -> Caldari Frigate III Tactical Assault Ship I -> Covert Ops Ships (and reqs...) .......... Tornado (Hurricane Class Hull) - Heavy Tactical Assault Ship Role Bonus: 99% Reduction in Large Smartbomb Pwg. need. Battlecruisers skill Bonus: +10% Damage of Large Smartbombs per level. Heavy Tactical Ship skill Bonus: +5% Reduction of Large Smartbomb capacitor use per skill level. High Slots: 7 Medium Slots: 6 Low Slots: 3 Required Skills Battlecruisers V -> Minmatar Cruiser III Heavy Tactical Assault Ships I -> Tactical Assault Ships IV Energy Management V -> Engineering III Spaceship Command V .......... And so on. Anyways. The theory behind the 7 slots is the fact that 8 Large smartbombs on a cruiser-sized ship is... well... unbalanced. So, space for 6 Smarties, and a Cloak, or just a general utility slot. The Mids are for cap boosters/batteries/recharges whatever, and some tackling gear. Chuck an AB or MWD and you can nano that sucker, easy. I decided to go for a small and large version, so its like the AF/HAC, Dictor/HIC and so on. I wrote all this in about a half hour, so I'll edit it as ideas hit me. Cheers Epegi, I like where you've pointed my brain. :)
Epegi Givo New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.24 05:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Talthoras IX Here's my ideas, compounding on yours. I'm using the Cormorant and Hurricane as examples. .......... Ruffian (Cormorant Class Hull) - Tactical Assault Ship Role Bonus: 99% Reduction in Medium Smartbomb Pwg. need. Destroyers skill Bonus: +10% Damage of Medium Smartbombs per level. Tactical Assault Ship skill Bonus: +5% Reduction of Medium Smartbomb Capacitor use per skill level. High Slots: 7 Medium Slots: 5 Low Slots: 2 Required Skills: Destroyers V -> Caldari Frigate III Tactical Assault Ship I -> Covert Ops Ships (and reqs...) .......... Tornado (Hurricane Class Hull) - Heavy Tactical Assault Ship Role Bonus: 99% Reduction in Large Smartbomb Pwg. need. Battlecruisers skill Bonus: +10% Damage of Large Smartbombs per level. Heavy Tactical Ship skill Bonus: +5% Reduction of Large Smartbomb capacitor use per skill level. High Slots: 7 Medium Slots: 6 Low Slots: 3 Required Skills Battlecruisers V -> Minmatar Cruiser III Heavy Tactical Assault Ships I -> Tactical Assault Ships IV Energy Management V -> Engineering III Spaceship Command V .......... And so on. Anyways. The theory behind the 7 slots is the fact that 8 Large smartbombs on a cruiser-sized ship is... well... unbalanced. So, space for 6 Smarties, and a Cloak, or just a general utility slot. The Mids are for cap boosters/batteries/recharges whatever, and some tackling gear. Chuck an AB or MWD and you can nano that sucker, easy. I decided to go for a small and large version, so its like the AF/HAC, Dictor/HIC and so on. I wrote all this in about a half hour, so I'll edit it as ideas hit me. Cheers Epegi, I like where you've pointed my brain. :) anybody else agree with this mans stats? Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Talthoras IX Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:09:00 - [36] I agree with them.
procurement specialist	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:29:00 - [37] i didn't see it as a smartbomb a long time ship. i would propose the thorax mwd bonus and a range increase. this would let you mwd up to them and fire all you could fit. then get popped yourself :D
Epegi Givo New Eden Manufacturing and Missions	Posted - 2008.05.24 22:29:00 - [38] Originally by: procurement specialist i didn't see it as a smartbomb a long time ship. i would propose the thorax mwd bonus and a range increase. this would let you mwd up to them and fire all you could fit. then get popped yourself :D yeah, forgot about that. How about it has a bonus of 100% reduction of cap when using MWDs but a penalty of getting hit by webs 99% harder. Originally by: DroneCommander Originally by: Isiskhan My mother's name is Rolricka. Yes, I'm being 100% serious. Dude! Your mum got RolRick'd!
Talthoras IX Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.05.26 08:31:00 - [39] I don't like the MWD idea. Sorry, but if this is gonna be a Smartbomb ship, give it Smartbomb bonuses. Let your skills and mods figure out the rest.
procurement specialist	Posted - 2008.05.27 02:26:00 - [40] no fittings bonus and cap reduction for use bonus so it could alpha all of them maybe twice before it was completely out of capacitor would be fine. if it was like a destroyer class and had 8 high slots then 16 pulses of large mwd and then it is completely wasted would be fine with me. it would be great for attacking hostile fighter blobs. My biggest concern at this point would be it being used too much for suicide ganking. high alphas can be unbalancing. 7 large smartbomb with cloaks fitted would be awesome stealth destroyers though :D
procurement specialist	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:42:00 - [41] no other ideas or is this pretty much perfect for now?
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:20:00 - [42] I don't understand the need for a special ship type at all. Plenty of Cruisers can be fit with a good amount of Smart Bombs and speed. I have a Hyperion (Gallente Tier 3 bs) with 8 Large Smartbombs that is intended for Fighter Blobs and Pos Defense. I call it 'Donut of Destruction' - A Spaced Invaders reference for fans of that old film. Insurance easily covers the ship, so its kinda disposable. Fleet ops restrict its use, so it is a specality ship already. Its all T1. So can you please explain why you need a seperate ship class just to do this?

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