Originally by: Blacklight

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(if not then I need a couple of solid players in a WoW raiding guild on US TZ ).

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Originally by: Radeberger

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If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts[/qu

Originally by: Seleene

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I'm so sorry BoB. You were right to kills us. Please let me into your alliance!

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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so.... ever fancied fighting as a freedom figher? :P

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Originally by: LLago Cesarii

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As a young pilot who grew up flying in support of D2 in Deklein, MC was the boogeyman. "Earn that isk now!, MC is coming to kick the dog **** out of us." It was all true, flying against them was shattering, as anyone who didn't cyno out and run (like the rest of the north did) anytime they showed can testify. I can't tell you how fortunate I felt to get to eventually fly with them, and learn from them. Farewell MC, you attempted to build your shining city on the hill, to attempt neutrality. It's a shame that those who call you backstab don't understand what that means.

To the Goon coalition: no, Tortuga could never really join you even if it was in our best interest (and my preference). The fact that the 3 major fleets I flew in with you guys got suicided by the worst FCs I've ever flown with didn't help. We were attempting to expressly NOT join a side, MC had been called a pet for so long no one wanted to don another collar and leash... neutrality, y'know? BTW, neutrality doesn't work in Eve, trust me, don't try it.

To Bob, congratulations, but why dirty your victory with falsehoods? To claim you came looking for a fight when in fact you ambushed us alarm clock style with 6 times our numbers (450+ vs. 80) is well... dishonest. In fact your entire strategy was to dodge the fight until you had minimum 4 to 1 odds in your favor. In my 4 months in PB I have never seen Bob engage outnumbered, or even against equal numbers. Perhaps to many low quality ex-pets in your gangs these days, which explains the Goonswarm tactics. As a pilot who has made it his business to engage outnumbered I found this strange from the so called "elite". Win how you feel like you need to I guess. Again, grats on victory.

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Originally by: LLago Cesarii

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Originally by: Nick Curso

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Originally by: LLago Cesarii

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To Bob, congratulations, but why dirty your victory with falsehoods? To claim you came looking for a fight when in fact you ambushed us alarm clock style with 6 times our numbers (450+ vs. 80) is well... dishonest. In fact your entire strategy was to dodge the fight until you had minimum 4 to 1 odds in your favor. In my 4 months in PB I have never seen Bob engage outnumbered, or even against equal numbers. Perhaps to many low quality ex-pets in your gangs these days, which explains the Goonswarm tactics. As a pilot who has made it his business to engage outnumbered I found this strange from the so called "elite". Win how you feel like you need to I guess. Again, grats on victory.

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I wasn't an alarm clock op, we had the fleet that had just taken H74 with no resistance. We were bored and there was nothing to do so we hit 1-n with the hope that over the coming days u guys would fight like demons with nothing to loose. Sadly that didn't happen. If you had 400 people in a fleet wanting something to do would you tell them they can't come?

To take the point about not fighting outnumbered frankly where the hell have you been for the last year. As for your 4 monts in pure blind, a quick look at your stats and we see that you wern't that active on the frontlines at all. Leave the smack out of it if it has no basis in truth.

However farewell MC you were always among the best in eve its a shame to see you go out without a bang.

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It's not smack, my apologies if you interpreted it as such. It's in fact what I deemed necessary to counter what I saw as smack. Too many Bob pilots crowing about wanting a fight when you used tactics designed to insure no fight happened. It is a fact that Bob attacked 1-n at approx 3:00 am U.S. time is it not? that's certainly "alarm clock style" so point validated. It is a fact that we had a substantial (200 or so) fleet in 1-n yet you waited 'til we went to bed to attack - so fight dodging point validated. Again, congratulations on your win.

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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I agree with everything said, since I probably said it at some time as well. But I will point out something people gloss over and ruin the mood completely (I can't help it, its a chronic disorder).

Cult of idol worship is hard enough to end in peace-time. Whilst I'd love to blame Mynas, he's just a tool whose never played a key role before, and probably never will again. Every alliance has people who will step up in the event of a power vacuum; who it is doesn't matter.

My perception is that you manipulated things on some level, through passive indifference. You took away the only unifying force in MC during a period of ideological transition and war, leaving the alliance to lobbyists and egos that could never fully overcome the past.

Long story short, the people who took over floundered and flopped under the high pressure as anyone could expect. The end became so inevitable they probably wanted you to absolve everything for them; to spare them the shame of admitting it.

If you wanted to save the MC brand (whether as merc or territorial entity), you would've pushed them to a place on the map where they can rebuild, redefine, and retry. You should know more than most people that losing a war and losing space is trivial if everyone maintains a long term vision. It takes the same amount of effort you spent writing this post to give them somewhere to work from, but you didn't.

But my guess is you'd rather see MC end than risk seeing someone else take it for good, change it, and be successful. The fact that you're even making this announcement proves that MC is, has, and always will be your baby. Nothing wrong with that ofc, if BoB goes down before the game ends, that's how it'll go.

Even if I'm wrong, you'd have to sabotage your idol status to truly help them move on for good, and I don't see that happening. It would marginalize your efforts, and fewer people would look back to the past with tear-eyed nostalgia. Which is fine, I'd take martyr status over helping losers bastardize my **** too.

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