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Neth'Rae Gallente Neth's Workshop	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:07:00 - [1] As someone without a single alt, I'm freakin RAGING about this now.. rage rage rage Can't you see how mad I am CCP? Nah but seriously, it's not really about people getting more votes, it's more about people that have lots of alts might have different opinions and a different view on things compared to those with only one Account. Let's say one candidate wants to limit the client usage to only one client per computer, none of the people with alts would vote for him, but maybe alot of other people would. This would really skew the vote, because all other candidates would recieve significantly more votes from the multi-account players! One of the candidates even said he'll try and bring forward issues that are important to the newer players, and I have a hard time imagining 1-3 months players with 5 accounts, or even 2 or 3.. The ones who benifit the most are probably the old, hardcore players that have been stacking up lots of alts since they've started playing, so the candidate they favour will have a big advantage towards the more casual ones.. And this comes from an company based in Iceland, which has the worlds oldest and still functional democracy.. And no, It's not a any trolling attempt..
gramb0 Misfits Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:13:00 - [2] hey I voted for hardin 3 times cause he seems the most legit I ain't gonna complain I pay my $45 a month, and what you worried about the first few sessions of this isn't gonna be all perfect. Later on then yeah..
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:14:00 - [3] I have two accounts, but I voted only once. Don't assume that most multi-account players will bother logging and relogging their accounts to vote more than once.
4IROW Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Neth'Rae Nah but seriously, it's not really about people getting more votes, it's more about people that have lots of alts might have different opinions and a different view on things compared to those with only one Account. Please prove this claim. I don't think that players with multiple accounts have generally another opinion than players with only one account. Furthermore I don't think that all the really new players even bother with this whole CSM elections and problems concerning EvE since they are still figuring out how to fit a ship properly...
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:17:00 - [5] I voted 3 times! Imagine my surprise when I got a little pop-up message on the 3rd vote saying that people with multiple accounts will get a free Polaris Frigate to play with on Christmas day!
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:22:00 - [6] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 06/05/2008 21:22:30 Originally by: Shadowsword I have two accounts, but I voted only once. Don't assume that most multi-account players will bother logging and relogging their accounts to vote more than once. If it helps you, the board is influential only. Not decision making! Also I think its fair that those who invest in the game should have a little more say in it! So letting those who LOVE the game so much that they invest a lot in it by owning plenty accounts have a little more to say then those who do not is only fair. I think you could compare it to like a shareholders democracy. More shares you own, more your votes counts. And my votes went for Jade and OS. So dont let me down guys!
Equin Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:22:00 - [7] Each account is worth one vote. Each account is part of the eve community. Makes sense to me.
Faife Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:35:00 - [8] Doh, forgot to vote with other accounts, thanks.
Guillame Herschel Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Neth'Rae Let's say one candidate wants to limit the client usage to only one client per computer POD HIM IMMEDIATELY AND REPEATEDLY, SCREW ELECTIONS. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:41:00 - [10] This thread took way too long to be created. I'm sure if they could have prevented alts from voting they would have, but you can't prevent alts from anything, which is the whole problem with them to begin with.
Shakuul Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:48:00 - [11] I think its better to compare EVE voting to shareholder voting IRL; you're electing people to represent your "stake" in EVE Online. People with multiple accounts give more money to CCP each month, so they have more to lose if the devs make changes that are inconsistent with their preferences about how the game should work.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.06 21:50:00 - [12] Why is one man, one vote, in implicitly better than one account one vote? I mean, even if the multi account people do have a different opinion, surely the weight of their opinion, is proportionate to the revenue they represent. Plus, good luck controlling voting with multiple accounts. It's virtually impossible.
Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:08:00 - [13] Its been my experience that the people with alot of accounts are too busy managing them all to pay attention to the issues at hand, so its we single-account users that has all da power. Of course this theory is based soley on the five people i know with multiple accounts that i deal with regularly, but I figure its as valid an argument as most of the tripe you'll find on the forums
Slickdrac Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:15:00 - [14] I voted 5 times for 4 people hi5 Goum o/
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:16:00 - [15] if one of them advocated 1 account per person he would get nowhere, remember it's just advisory, ccp doesn't have to do what they say (thank the Maker) and they would never do something silly as this.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:27:00 - [16] Pretty sure the people willing to get five accounts deserve the privileges that come with it kthx
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Asuka Smith Pretty sure the people willing to get five accounts deserve the privileges that come with it kthx I don't think that it was ever implicitly stated that multiple votes in Eve-related polls was a benefit of alts. Easy mode in-game is enough benefit for multiple account holders.
Erik Amirault Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:29:00 - [18] Edited by: Erik Amirault on 06/05/2008 22:29:42 If you have more accounts then you provide CCP with more income and you deserve more than one vote so pls stfu pubbies.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Asuka Smith Pretty sure the people willing to get five accounts deserve the privileges that come with it kthx I don't think that it was ever implicitly stated that multiple votes in Eve-related polls was a benefit of alts. Easy mode in-game is enough benefit for multiple account holders. Nor was it implicitly stated that it was not, and since a second account is the same as a second person when it comes to the dollars in CCP's pocket it is implicitly implied that I get the same rights as two people if I pay the same money as two people. I think it is only fair, as others have said, that the people with the most invested in the game have the largest say in where it is going. If you think that myself, a 2 year veteran, and one of my mates who just finished trial have equally valid opinions and that our votes should count for the same amount then you are a sad fool.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:37:00 - [20] Oh, I didn't know that you could vote more than once. Thanks for the heads up, I'll go and vote with my other eleventy million accounts now.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:41:00 - [21] I don't want to get into a lengthy argument about it so I'll say that I'll agree to disagree. But my argument is that the only thing people with multiple accounts have over those with one account is a greater investment of money. Personally I think that saying that the money alone allows for extra votes is like saying that bribery should entitle people to extra votes. Also, people with multiple accounts haven't experienced anything that a person with one account can't experience as well. Multiple accounts does not necessarily translate into more in-game experience, so that issue can't justify multiple votes either.
Ivan Oder	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:53:00 - [22] I would have to quit if they limited the game to one account per system. I am sure many others would as well and exponentially that could be a bad thing.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.06 23:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Ivan Oder I would have to quit if they limited the game to one account per system. and a
Shadow Joy	Posted - 2008.05.06 23:32:00 - [24] So the vote is biased towards people with multiple accounts. You know, the people with the most invested in the game. I'm cool with that.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.06 23:45:00 - [25] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 06/05/2008 23:46:52 edit: nvm
Nikla Uthaan	Posted - 2008.05.06 23:55:00 - [26] Interestingly, while you can say "If they pay more for it, they deserve a bigger voice",,, what about all those people who maintain alts by buying GTC for isk? Surely by that reasoning the people who bought the GTC from the shop get to have their voice heard more than the people who bought the GTC for isk. For the record, I don't agree with anything I said there, just making a statement :) Personally internet spaceship politiking doesn't concern me.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.05.06 23:55:00 - [27] You think you're frustrated? Imagine how the CVA people feel about Minmatar characters getting a vote! For them this is like giving votes to monkeys :)
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Neth'Rae As someone without a single alt, I'm freakin RAGING about this now. RAGE!
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:35:00 - [29] In response to the OP: In order to make sure your views are accepted, you should probably go buy another vote or three.
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:03:00 - [30] dead people or zombies? on that note - vote for me
Ivan Oder	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:08:00 - [31] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 06/05/2008 23:17:30 Originally by: Ivan Oder I would have to quit if they limited the game to one account per system. and a edit: well okay maybe that's kind of rude. It's just that I get the impression that multiple account users in this game and other MMOs see their characters as means to an end, rather than a way of immersing in-game. Actually I find myself talking to myself quite a bit in real life and even walk around as if I'm watching my self in third person sometimes. Means to an end.. yes. Why else play multiple accounts? Do I immerse myself into the game.. sure, six times over to be exact. Let's see I have my combat arms mains, two characters that do the job of killing things, quite well I may add. I have my leadership main that flies around giving my combat arms mains cool bonuses. Then I have my two mining/support/refining/reprocessing/market pig dog capitalistic mains. Then I have my alts on these accounts that hunt out macro miners and kill them and take their TII ice miners to my market pig dog capitalistic mains for sale on the market. Then, last but not least, is my titan stealing corp infiltration low sec pirate bounty hunting location finding main that then passes on the information gathered to my combat arms mains and their corp for surgical strikes of high bounty players. Just remember, strength is in numbers, and eve being such the numbers game it is it's silly not to have multiple accounts, specially if you are sitting on billions in a corp or personal wallet. Turn those billions into game time to go out and cause havok ... for nothing more than a small amount of play time.
Value Added GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:12:00 - [32] Pubbies and their threads
Ivan Oder	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:28:00 - [33] Originally by: Value Added Pubbies and their threads Can I be the one millionth person to say that "pubbies" sounds like something the goons pull out of their teeth after pleasuring BoB members with goon deaths? Seriously I like the goon ideal, but some of the words they use... it's like pewpew. All in all homosexual and if guys sit around saying "haha I just got into a pewpew with this pubbie"....... I don't know but it doesn't sound very manly or exciting to me.
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 07:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Ivan Oder Originally by: Value Added Pubbies and their threads Can I be the one millionth person to say that "pubbies" sounds like something the goons pull out of their teeth after pleasuring BoB members with goon deaths? Seriously I like the goon ideal, but some of the words they use... it's like pewpew. All in all homosexual and if guys sit around saying "haha I just got into a pewpew with this pubbie"....... I don't know but it doesn't sound very manly or exciting to me. If you really think that goons are meant to be manly then go check out amazon.com and search for goonfleet, just to see for yourself the sort of products goons buy online.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.05.07 07:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Asuka Smith Pretty sure the people willing to get five accounts deserve the privileges that come with it kthx thats the democracy for ya
Zephyr Rengate Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.07 08:08:00 - [36] 1 vote per IP. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
Danui Gallente United Titans Of Progress	Posted - 2008.05.07 08:15:00 - [37] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate 1 vote per IP. What about 2 people of the same family playing eve on a different account? They have both the same IP for CCP... ------------------------------ Eve-online guide collection Web based version
J'Mkarr Soban Amarr Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.05.07 08:18:00 - [38] I'm glad I'm not the only one with only one account. And I intend to stay that way. Started to think I was the only one! -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Tzar'rim Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.05.07 08:19:00 - [39] I have 3 accounts but voted once, cba to log in those other accounts to the forums. Also, I'd refrain from voting but if I did so I would have no 'right' to say anything after the election if things would/will go different from what I'd like to.
Haraldhardrade Amarr Pax Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.07 08:20:00 - [40] Originally by: gramb0 hey I voted for hardin 3 times cause he seems the most legit Word! It is better to die for the emperor than to live for yourself.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.07 08:33:00 - [41] It's not my fault that I need 4 accounts to do what I need. Just give us more research and industry jobs per character, damn CCP. Then I could save those 2 waste accounts!
Max Teranous The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.07 09:06:00 - [42] It's utterly impossible for CCP to tell if 2 accounts coming from the same household are 1 person, or say 2 brothers, or a husband and wife for example. So they have to allow the 1 account = 1 vote system, there is no other way. A discussion over whether multi accounts should be allowed multi votes if it were possible to tell is slightly more interesting, but you'll end up with the same arguments you have for alts in general. Some consider it normal and fine, others consider it basically cheating. Max
Danui Gallente United Titans Of Progress	Posted - 2008.05.07 09:08:00 - [43] CCP will never prohibit more accounts for one an the same person because so many people do it, it is a very large income for them. If they allow only one account i believe they will loose much income so they will never limit it... ------------------------------ Eve-online guide collection Web based version
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.05.07 09:19:00 - [44] Meh, when shareholders vote it's one vote per share. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
RagnarH Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.07 10:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Neth'Rae And this comes from an company based in Iceland, which has the worlds oldest and still functional democracy.. And no, It's not a any trolling attempt.. u are kidding me right ? plz tell me u are kidding me. Oldest ? haha, ok, we have had it since 1944. And functional, wow, I almost died of laughter there. There is nothing functional about it. ----------------------------------- Corp 1 Allstars - Chief of Operations
Drizit Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.07 12:01:00 - [46] It balances those like me with 3 accounts but I abstained on all 3. My main account is 3 years old but I don't believe these players on the council will make much difference to the way Eve works. I have not made my view of this public until now but I believe the council is purely a PR exercise by CCP to try to play down the problems it has experienced. -- Freighters need a tank
Misanth The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.07 12:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Neth'Rae Let's say one candidate wants to limit the client usage to only one client per computer POD HIM IMMEDIATELY AND REPEATEDLY, SCREW ELECTIONS. Damnit, where are you on the list, I want to vote for you..
Neth'Rae Gallente Neth's Workshop	Posted - 2008.05.08 07:25:00 - [48] Originally by: RagnarH Originally by: Neth'Rae And this comes from an company based in Iceland, which has the worlds oldest and still functional democracy.. And no, It's not a any trolling attempt.. u are kidding me right ? plz tell me u are kidding me. Oldest ? haha, ok, we have had it since 1944. And functional, wow, I almost died of laughter there. There is nothing functional about it. Shh, I just stole it from another thread, I have no clue.. Blame the guy that posted it there :P Request signatures at EVE-GFX
Alyth Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.08 08:13:00 - [49] Originally by: RagnarH Originally by: Neth'Rae And this comes from an company based in Iceland, which has the worlds oldest and still functional democracy.. And no, It's not a any trolling attempt.. u are kidding me right ? plz tell me u are kidding me. Oldest ? haha, ok, we have had it since 1944. And functional, wow, I almost died of laughter there. There is nothing functional about it. Works better than in a certain country that thinks its all that Shouldn't their current president be allowed to stand in this election too, considering he's only served one term where he was actually voted in.... Anyways, not voting for this. It's just another pointless, powerless oversight committee that EVE doesn't need. CCP are doing a good enough job as it is. Anyone who says different I dare you to play 'Yulai is the centre of the universe' era EVE and make comparisons.
Timaios Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.08 08:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Adonis 4174 Meh, when shareholders vote it's one vote per share. Quoting this. Companies with shareholder get votes on basis of the number of shares owned. It's rather reasonable as well, since by owning more of the company you can have more of an effect on what the company does with the money you've invested in them. Granted, the CSM elections are something of a mixture between general elections and shareholder votes. Perhaps one should just consider one's account as a pseudo-B-share of the EVE enterprises that gives out no dividends but gives you one vote in the CSM elections and allows you to play the game EVE enterprises manages.
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.08 11:30:00 - [51] i voted 6 times.. we have to get a danish person in that council! OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Davich MacGregor Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.08 12:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 06/05/2008 21:22:30 If it helps you, the board is influential only. Not decision making! What he means is that the people you vote for are absolutely powerless pawns. You know, like a gimmick.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.08 12:29:00 - [53] Originally by: UGWidowmaker i voted 6 times.. we have to get a danish person in that council! So you voted for me, right?

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