http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount



and that was just the opening sentence :csm:

Renting shells aren't actually 'alliances'; that's UAxDeath's equivalent of a technetium moon.

So, they're removing him from the CSM, when?

If you're not from nullsec you might not even know what a 'renter alliance' is, so I can understand the confusion. It is what it is. vOv

%BITTER%

i can see from your employment history that you're a newbie. so let me explain something to you about people in 0.0


not everyone in 0.0 is really a "0.0 alliance" per se. some of them are something we call "renters". they pay one of the real 0.0 alliances protection money and in return get to live in their space and carebear (hey.. nothing really wrong with that - we need carebears to build us ships and guns). some of them even pay enough that they get to hold sov. when you see "X Citizens" that's a renter alliance. not all of them use that naming convention.

you cannot properly count renters are part of the alliance.

Thanks for that - I'll pass that information on to someone who values your condescending attitude.

I would really appreciate it if you could do me a pie chart showing the ratio of renters in the #1 alliance and then one showing the same for the #2 alliance. I am sure you have those exact figures to hand, what with you being so superior an' all.

As a relatively new player, seeing information like this helps me to better understand the veteran player's point of view (and I'm not referring to the trolling obviously). I've only been playing since tyrannis, so the shear depth of what already is in game has kept me more than occupied. If there hasn't been any FiS content added since apocrypha, I can totally understand why incarnia angered so many. It added nothing, I don't even use CQ, i just stare the door.

To those veterans who are truly trying to help us understand the situation and improve it, I thank you.

In the narrowest pedantic sense, Mittens was incorrect to say that he led the largest alliance. In any sense that actually matters, he's spot on. In any case, it's trivial.

(CCP) seem to have taken us EVE players for granted and assumed that we would keep paying our subs to fund any project that the wished to pursue.

This is the core of the problem.

And that opening sentence is entirely correct.
About seven thousand pilots. Not exactly seven thousand, not above seven thousand, not more then seven thousand. About seven thousand which is more or less.

What you attempt to imply here Nicolo da'Vicenza? Lack of English language skills? Google translate can help in that case.

Thanks for that - I'll pass that information on to someone who values your condescending attitude.

I would really appreciate it if you could do me a pie chart showing the ratio of renters in the #1 alliance and then one showing the same for the #2 alliance. I am sure you have those exact figures to hand, what with you being so superior an' all.

Thanks for that - I'll pass that information on to someone who values your condescending attitude.

I would really appreciate it if you could do me a pie chart showing the ratio of renters in the #1 alliance and then one showing the same for the #2 alliance. I am sure you have those exact figures to hand, what with you being so superior an' all.

I'm completely missing something about this "war on the management of CCP". What if they simply ignore it? Say nothing and keep doing what they are doing in allocating resources?

The goal of the war is to get a better game by having more resources used on Eve. Helping to kill off subscriptions, lowering the resources available, does not seem to be a way to get that goal.

What am I missing? How can we pressure CCP, other than trying to kill the game we are trying to save?

I'm completely missing something about this "war on the management of CCP". What if they simply ignore it? Say nothing and keep doing what they are doing in allocating resources?

The goal of the war is to get a better game by having more resources used on Eve. Helping to kill off subscriptions, lowering the resources available, does not seem to be a way to get that goal.

What am I missing? How can we pressure CCP, other than trying to kill the game we are trying to save?

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The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game.
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But if CCP management chooses to ignores you, ingnore the press, ignore the comments from the community and so on, how can you put any pressure on them at all?

But if CCP management chooses to ignores you, ingnore the press, ignore the comments from the community and so on, how can you put any pressure on them at all?

I think the simple answer to that is you dont, CCP will continue to dive towards the floor and Eve dies a slow and painful death.