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DrDan21
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.08 19:54:00 -
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Published 9/8/11
If you have yet to read it::
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/14/feature/5582/EVE-Online-The-Mittani-Speaks-Out.html
MMORPG has also stated that they are going to try and get an interview with CCP as well. |
Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
25
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:05:00 -
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Thanks for the info. Read it and support it in full. Hope CSM wins this but realistically don't expect it to happen.
With all my love to EVE Online I myself noticed that I log in less and less. And thinking more and more about other game to play. So even for me Mittani is right. And i'm not vet player. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:06:00 -
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sometimes Mittani suprises me by not acting like an ass. this is one of these times. WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
NJEchoAlpha
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:09:00 -
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Mittens is right.
Flying in space is too big a part of this game to ignore. |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
23
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:14:00 -
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Too little, too late.
But a good article none the less.
C.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:17:00 -
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Denidil wrote:sometimes Mittani suprises me by not acting like an ass. this is one of these times.
I'd like to assure everyone paying attention to this crisis that as soon as it ends, I will immediately and with great diligence go back to shitposting, spamming ~~~~ everywhere and shedding the use of any capital letters. |
Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
4
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:17:00 -
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Do you really believe he started his campaign for any other reason then his ego? |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
28
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:20:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Do you really believe he started his campaign for any other reason then his ego?
Yes. |
Lady Zarrina
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:21:00 -
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I can't believe it, me, a simple pubbie, agrees 100% with the Mattani. What has the universe come to. Allocate resources to FiS |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:21:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Denidil wrote:sometimes Mittani suprises me by not acting like an ass. this is one of these times. I'd like to assure everyone paying attention to this crisis that as soon as it ends, I will immediately and with great diligence go back to shitposting, spamming ~~~~ everywhere and shedding the use of any capital letters.
hurray!!
(i'm just giving you a hard time dude, fairly good interview there) WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
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Hicksimus
Mom's Friendly Spaceship Company
13
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:21:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Denidil wrote:sometimes Mittani suprises me by not acting like an ass. this is one of these times. I'd like to assure everyone paying attention to this crisis that as soon as it ends, I will immediately and with great diligence go back to shitposting, spamming ~~~~ everywhere and shedding the use of any capital letters.
You'll be CEO of CCP at the end of this then? |
Hypnagogia Ichinumi
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:22:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Do you really believe he started his campaign for any other reason then his ego?
Yes.
I really don't understand where all of this BS comes from. The guy was elected by the players to represent them. The players have been crying out about how CCP is ruining their game and how this and that need to be fixed. Mittens and the rest of the CSM do what they can to voice these concerns, shared by nearly every player in New Eden and all of a sudden it becomes some kind of ego-fueled power trip? They guy is trying to do what none of you can because you put him in a position with the power to do so.
Accept the fact that he's trying to help you and do your part to help. Complaining that he's trying to make some kind of power-play to take over the game is BS and you know it. |
Zagam
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
66
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:22:00 -
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Best article/interview on the situation with Mittens so far.
The Mittani wrote:Denidil wrote:sometimes Mittani suprises me by not acting like an ass. this is one of these times. I'd like to assure everyone paying attention to this crisis that as soon as it ends, I will immediately and with great diligence go back to shitposting, spamming ~~~~ everywhere and shedding the use of any capital letters. And thank you for reassuring us that you have not, in fact, gone completely insane. |
Alpheias
58
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:25:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Do you really believe he started his campaign for any other reason then his ego?
I think he is just as passionate about EVE as any other dedicated player and it saddens him, just as much as it saddens me, to see EVE go down this route when CCP has clearly lost touch with reality on all levels.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Atlas.
61
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:25:00 -
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Quote:I'm the leader of the largest alliance in EVE (Goonswarm Federation) which contains about seven thousand pilots,
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount
Quote:1. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 7624 2. Goonswarm Federation 6793
and that was just the opening sentence :csm: |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:26:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Quote:I'm the leader of the largest alliance in EVE (Goonswarm Federation) which contains about seven thousand pilots, http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCountQuote:1. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 7624 2. Goonswarm Federation 6793 and that was just the opening sentence :csm:
bots in xXShittyNameXx don't count WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:26:00 -
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Why do we need to **** up the whole first page of the general discussion forum with threads about some internet spaceship nerd complaining to an internet gaming nerd "magazine"? |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
23
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:30:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Why do we need to **** up the whole first page of the general discussion forum with threads about some internet spaceship nerd complaining to an internet gaming nerd "magazine"?
What else shall we post about? Ponies?
C.
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Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:31:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Why do we need to **** up the whole first page of the general discussion forum with threads about some internet spaceship nerd complaining to an internet gaming nerd "magazine"?
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internet nerd complaining about someone else being internet nerd. it's funny, you see!
WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
25
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:31:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Quote:I'm the leader of the largest alliance in EVE (Goonswarm Federation) which contains about seven thousand pilots, http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCountQuote:1. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 7624 2. Goonswarm Federation 6793 and that was just the opening sentence :csm:
And that opening sentence is entirely correct. About seven thousand pilots. Not exactly seven thousand, not above seven thousand, not more then seven thousand. About seven thousand which is more or less.
What you attempt to imply here Nicolo da'Vicenza? Lack of English language skills? Google translate can help in that case. |
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Kengutsi Akira
GloboTech Industries
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:31:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Denidil wrote:sometimes Mittani suprises me by not acting like an ass. this is one of these times. I'd like to assure everyone paying attention to this crisis that as soon as it ends, I will immediately and with great diligence go back to shitposting, spamming ~~~~ everywhere and shedding the use of any capital letters.
When did you stop? |
Iliara Maulerant
INVARIANT TENSOR Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:33:00 -
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Good article. Thanks for addressing this CSM and Mittani. |
Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:34:00 -
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Cailais wrote:Barakkus wrote:Why do we need to **** up the whole first page of the general discussion forum with threads about some internet spaceship nerd complaining to an internet gaming nerd "magazine"? What else shall we post about? Ponies? C.
Yes. Ponies vs Unicorns is the new topic of this thread. |
Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:34:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:The Mittani wrote:Denidil wrote:sometimes Mittani suprises me by not acting like an ass. this is one of these times. I'd like to assure everyone paying attention to this crisis that as soon as it ends, I will immediately and with great diligence go back to shitposting, spamming ~~~~ everywhere and shedding the use of any capital letters. When did you stop?
On a hunch, I am going with just after Dominion and Mittens shitpoasting like skyrocketed just after Incarna
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:38:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Cailais wrote:Barakkus wrote:Why do we need to **** up the whole first page of the general discussion forum with threads about some internet spaceship nerd complaining to an internet gaming nerd "magazine"? What else shall we post about? Ponies? C. Yes. Ponies vs Unicorns is the new topic of this thread.
clearly you've not watched enough MLP, unicorns are ponies |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Atlas.
61
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:39:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:And that opening sentence is entirely correct. About seven thousand pilots. Not exactly seven thousand, not above seven thousand, not more then seven thousand. About seven thousand which is more or less.
What you attempt to imply here Nicolo da'Vicenza? Lack of English language skills? Google translate can help in that case. lmao how humiliating |
Oglyn
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:40:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Quote:I'm the leader of the largest alliance in EVE (Goonswarm Federation) which contains about seven thousand pilots, http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCountQuote:1. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 7624 2. Goonswarm Federation 6793 and that was just the opening sentence :csm: And that opening sentence is entirely correct. About seven thousand pilots. Not exactly seven thousand, not above seven thousand, not more then seven thousand. About seven thousand which is more or less. What you attempt to imply here Nicolo da'Vicenza? Lack of English language skills? Google translate can help in that case.
How can the sentence be entirely correct when the leader of the second largest alliance states that he is the leader of the largest alliance?
I can see he is trying to do some good, but he has to put the ego away and try to stick to the facts. It doesn't really matter that he is only the leader of the second largest alliance anyway, so why pretend otherwise?
Unless .. maybe he just isn't very in touch with his own alliance ... in which case how in touch is he with the game?
Don't get me wrong, I want Mittens to get this right because if people can just rubbish is arguements it works against the people he represents.
He is starting off from a bad enough position after his previous defence of Incarna, so he needs to be squeaky clean now.
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Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
25
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:46:00 -
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Oglyn wrote:[quote=Alex Sinai]How can the sentence be entirely correct when the leader of the second largest alliance states that he is the leader of the largest alliance?
I can see he is trying to do some good, but he has to put the ego away and try to stick to the facts. It doesn't really matter that he is only the leader of the second largest alliance anyway, so why pretend otherwise?
Unless .. maybe he just isn't very in touch with his own alliance ... in which case how in touch is he with the game?
Don't get me wrong, I want Mittens to get this right because if people can just rubbish is arguements it works against the people he represents.
He is starting off from a bad enough position after his previous defence of Incarna, so he needs to be squeaky clean now.
Trolling? Failed. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:46:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Do you really believe he started his campaign for any other reason then his ego?
I'm actually so completely full of myself when it comes to EVE that the whole CSM thing is pretty ancillary to my "e-identity" compared to leading Goonswarm, which is itself ancillary to my 'true love' in EVE, running espionage in the glory days of spying before Dominion ruined it. Heh.
Essentially, the counterargument to "you're just doing this because you're full of yourself" is "actually, i'm so completely full of myself that it doesn't do anything for my ego, my ego is beyond even that." Sad but true! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:47:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:The Mittani wrote:Denidil wrote:sometimes Mittani suprises me by not acting like an ass. this is one of these times. I'd like to assure everyone paying attention to this crisis that as soon as it ends, I will immediately and with great diligence go back to shitposting, spamming ~~~~ everywhere and shedding the use of any capital letters. When did you stop?
I stopped posting regularly on the official forums years ago; they got so clunky, and the 2-5 minute timer between posts really impeded the flow. Plus, you had to log in repeatedly.
It's a ~golden age~ once more, forumwise. |
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:50:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Quote:I'm the leader of the largest alliance in EVE (Goonswarm Federation) which contains about seven thousand pilots, http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCountQuote:1. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 7624 2. Goonswarm Federation 6793 and that was just the opening sentence :csm:
Renting shells aren't actually 'alliances'; that's UAxDeath's equivalent of a technetium moon. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:52:00 -
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So, they're removing him from the CSM, when?
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Oglyn
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:54:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Quote:I'm the leader of the largest alliance in EVE (Goonswarm Federation) which contains about seven thousand pilots, http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCountQuote:1. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 7624 2. Goonswarm Federation 6793 and that was just the opening sentence :csm: Renting shells aren't actually 'alliances'; that's UAxDeath's equivalent of a technetium moon.
%BITTER% |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Atlas.
61
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:58:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:So, they're removing him from the CSM, when? To be fair, giving factually challenged interviews isn't against the CSM's charter, so long as they keep the NDA intact. |
raker
Imperial Collective
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:59:00 -
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Im no fan of mittens, but on this issue , he is right and so are all the CSM
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:00:00 -
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If you're not from nullsec you might not even know what a 'renter alliance' is, so I can understand the confusion. It is what it is. vOv |
Oglyn
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:03:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:If you're not from nullsec you might not even know what a 'renter alliance' is, so I can understand the confusion. It is what it is. vOv
Rollin' wiv da punches |
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:05:00 -
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As a relatively new player, seeing information like this helps me to better understand the veteran player's point of view (and I'm not referring to the trolling obviously). I've only been playing since tyrannis, so the shear depth of what already is in game has kept me more than occupied. If there hasn't been any FiS content added since apocrypha, I can totally understand why incarnia angered so many. It added nothing, I don't even use CQ, i just stare the door.
To those veterans who are truly trying to help us understand the situation and improve it, I thank you. In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has angered numerous people for many different reasons and is widely considered as a 'bad move'. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:05:00 -
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i can see from your employment history that you're a newbie. so let me explain something to you about people in 0.0
not everyone in 0.0 is really a "0.0 alliance" per se. some of them are something we call "renters". they pay one of the real 0.0 alliances protection money and in return get to live in their space and carebear (hey.. nothing really wrong with that - we need carebears to build us ships and guns). some of them even pay enough that they get to hold sov. when you see "X Citizens" that's a renter alliance. not all of them use that naming convention.
you cannot properly count renters are part of the alliance. WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Oglyn
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:09:00 -
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Denidil wrote:i can see from your employment history that you're a newbie. so let me explain something to you about people in 0.0 not everyone in 0.0 is really a "0.0 alliance" per se. some of them are something we call "renters". they pay one of the real 0.0 alliances protection money and in return get to live in their space and carebear (hey.. nothing really wrong with that - we need carebears to build us ships and guns). some of them even pay enough that they get to hold sov. when you see "X Citizens" that's a renter alliance. not all of them use that naming convention. you cannot properly count renters are part of the alliance.
Thanks for that - I'll pass that information on to someone who values your condescending attitude.
I would really appreciate it if you could do me a pie chart showing the ratio of renters in the #1 alliance and then one showing the same for the #2 alliance. I am sure you have those exact figures to hand, what with you being so superior an' all.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
130
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:14:00 -
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Oglyn wrote:Denidil wrote:i can see from your employment history that you're a newbie. so let me explain something to you about people in 0.0 not everyone in 0.0 is really a "0.0 alliance" per se. some of them are something we call "renters". they pay one of the real 0.0 alliances protection money and in return get to live in their space and carebear (hey.. nothing really wrong with that - we need carebears to build us ships and guns). some of them even pay enough that they get to hold sov. when you see "X Citizens" that's a renter alliance. not all of them use that naming convention. you cannot properly count renters are part of the alliance. Thanks for that - I'll pass that information on to someone who values your condescending attitude. I would really appreciate it if you could do me a pie chart showing the ratio of renters in the #1 alliance and then one showing the same for the #2 alliance. I am sure you have those exact figures to hand, what with you being so superior an' all.
>99% of Shadows members are renters. The alliance executor and other members of the executor corp will be XiX alts - basically they're the rent collectors.
In the narrowest pedantic sense, Mittens was incorrect to say that he led the largest alliance. In any sense that actually matters, he's spot on. In any case, it's trivial.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal made on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. |
Koroz
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:14:00 -
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Kilrayn wrote:As a relatively new player, seeing information like this helps me to better understand the veteran player's point of view (and I'm not referring to the trolling obviously). I've only been playing since tyrannis, so the shear depth of what already is in game has kept me more than occupied. If there hasn't been any FiS content added since apocrypha, I can totally understand why incarnia angered so many. It added nothing, I don't even use CQ, i just stare the door.
To those veterans who are truly trying to help us understand the situation and improve it, I thank you.
When you see new guys posting this it really proves our point. Been playing eve for 5 years, I have seen the best of CCP and how amazing they can be but sadly at the moment I think we are currently seeing the worst of CCP. They seem to have taken us EVE players for granted and assumed that we would keep paying our subs to fund any project that the wished to pursue.
EVE is an excellent game even though there has been no real updates to FiS in a long time; but the player-base (at least those of us who have been here for a while and have a great deal invested in the game) are worried about the future direction of EVE.
oh ps: Mittens <3 you, I didn't think anyone could galvanize the EVE community quite like this but you and the current CSM certainly have done your jobs well. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
2
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:15:00 -
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Damn...Mittani sure is full of himself.
Can't say I disagree with him but at the same time I think Incarna does have it's place.
I don't miss a single player that left simply because of Incarna or Microtransactions.
I do agree that it is time for a full out space only expansion. More 0.0...more WH space...balance ships. New ships and update all the ships graphically at once. Lets see some more T3's. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:17:00 -
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as for adding new systems? no please. the space we have is already under-utilized. make lowsec desireable to be in, and discourage huge powerblocs in nullsec. WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Oglyn
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:17:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: In the narrowest pedantic sense, Mittens was incorrect to say that he led the largest alliance. In any sense that actually matters, he's spot on. In any case, it's trivial.
I actually made that point in another post. Of course it is trivial. My point was, why open yourself to attack because of stupid oversights?
If he is going to effectively represent the player base he has to get it right, otherwise it is all too easy to drive a wedge in.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Atlas.
61
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:19:00 -
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Just keepin 'em honest. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
130
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:22:00 -
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Koroz wrote: (CCP) seem to have taken us EVE players for granted and assumed that we would keep paying our subs to fund any project that the wished to pursue.
This is the core of the problem.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal made on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. |
Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
50
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:25:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Koroz wrote: (CCP) seem to have taken us EVE players for granted and assumed that we would keep paying our subs to fund any project that the wished to pursue. This is the core of the problem.
Not quite, I'm fine with them funding any project they want BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF EVE DEVELOPMENT.
That is the core of the problem. A subtle distinction, but an important one I think. |
Cipher Jones
36
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:44:00 -
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Alex Sinai wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Quote:I'm the leader of the largest alliance in EVE (Goonswarm Federation) which contains about seven thousand pilots, http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCountQuote:1. Shadow of xXDEATHXx 7624 2. Goonswarm Federation 6793 and that was just the opening sentence :csm: And that opening sentence is entirely correct. About seven thousand pilots. Not exactly seven thousand, not above seven thousand, not more then seven thousand. About seven thousand which is more or less. What you attempt to imply here Nicolo da'Vicenza? Lack of English language skills? Google translate can help in that case.
Did you figure it out yet? I can articulate it for you, but I think you keep liking my posts "sarcastically"?
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Reva Dantenov
Reib Autonomous Industries
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:44:00 -
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Oglyn wrote:Denidil wrote:i can see from your employment history that you're a newbie. so let me explain something to you about people in 0.0 not everyone in 0.0 is really a "0.0 alliance" per se. some of them are something we call "renters". they pay one of the real 0.0 alliances protection money and in return get to live in their space and carebear (hey.. nothing really wrong with that - we need carebears to build us ships and guns). some of them even pay enough that they get to hold sov. when you see "X Citizens" that's a renter alliance. not all of them use that naming convention. you cannot properly count renters are part of the alliance. Thanks for that - I'll pass that information on to someone who values your condescending attitude. I would really appreciate it if you could do me a pie chart showing the ratio of renters in the #1 alliance and then one showing the same for the #2 alliance. I am sure you have those exact figures to hand, what with you being so superior an' all.
A pie chart isn't really the appropriate format, but I can do you a bar graph
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9563/graphwv.png
Hope this helps~ Ponies ponies ponies ponies. |
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Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:52:00 -
[51] - Quote
I'm completely missing something about this "war on the management of CCP". What if they simply ignore it? Say nothing and keep doing what they are doing in allocating resources?
The goal of the war is to get a better game by having more resources used on Eve. Helping to kill off subscriptions, lowering the resources available, does not seem to be a way to get that goal.
What am I missing? How can we pressure CCP, other than trying to kill the game we are trying to save? |
DrDan21
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:58:00 -
[52] - Quote
Oglyn wrote:Denidil wrote:i can see from your employment history that you're a newbie. so let me explain something to you about people in 0.0 not everyone in 0.0 is really a "0.0 alliance" per se. some of them are something we call "renters". they pay one of the real 0.0 alliances protection money and in return get to live in their space and carebear (hey.. nothing really wrong with that - we need carebears to build us ships and guns). some of them even pay enough that they get to hold sov. when you see "X Citizens" that's a renter alliance. not all of them use that naming convention. you cannot properly count renters are part of the alliance. Thanks for that - I'll pass that information on to someone who values your condescending attitude. I would really appreciate it if you could do me a pie chart showing the ratio of renters in the #1 alliance and then one showing the same for the #2 alliance. I am sure you have those exact figures to hand, what with you being so superior an' all.
haha, it's funny because GSF and TEST currently have a combined total of 0 renters |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:58:00 -
[53] - Quote
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:I'm completely missing something about this "war on the management of CCP". What if they simply ignore it? Say nothing and keep doing what they are doing in allocating resources?
The goal of the war is to get a better game by having more resources used on Eve. Helping to kill off subscriptions, lowering the resources available, does not seem to be a way to get that goal.
What am I missing? How can we pressure CCP, other than trying to kill the game we are trying to save?
You might be missing a lot, since there's no 'war'. The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game.
The CSM has not called for unsubs, or for 'war'. I'd suggest you start reading primary sources, rather than hyperbolic summaries on eve-o. |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
28
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:01:00 -
[54] - Quote
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:I'm completely missing something about this "war on the management of CCP". What if they simply ignore it? Say nothing and keep doing what they are doing in allocating resources?
The goal of the war is to get a better game by having more resources used on Eve. Helping to kill off subscriptions, lowering the resources available, does not seem to be a way to get that goal.
What am I missing? How can we pressure CCP, other than trying to kill the game we are trying to save?
Look up the Judgement of Solomon
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Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:05:00 -
[55] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:........
The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. ......
But if CCP management chooses to ignores you, ingnore the press, ignore the comments from the community and so on, how can you put any pressure on them at all? |
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
7
|
Posted - 2011.09.08 22:13:00 -
[56] - Quote
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The Mittani wrote:........
The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. ......
But if CCP management chooses to ignores you, ingnore the press, ignore the comments from the community and so on, how can you put any pressure on them at all?
I think the simple answer to that is you cant, CCP will continue to dive towards the floor and Eve dies a slow and painful death. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
|
Posted - 2011.09.08 22:16:00 -
[57] - Quote
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The Mittani wrote:........
The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. ......
But if CCP management chooses to ignores you, ingnore the press, ignore the comments from the community and so on, how can you put any pressure on them at all?
Historically CCP management is quite reactive to the press. See: Monoclegate, T20, Summer of Rage. It's actually the only consistently effective tactic that players have found to get CCP's management to change their course.
As much as you might want to wring your hands in hysteria, media pressure as an effective strategy is not new, and this is not the first time it has been deployed. |
Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
2
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:16:00 -
[58] - Quote
The easiest way to pressure them is to kill their alleged new golden geese.. Those NEW players in the 0-7 month bracket that ccp are specifically targetting.
Make their game lives hell. You take ALL the fun out of the game from the day they sign up to the day they leave, and take away that which ccp desires the most. Gullible noobies prepared to fully support this Pay2win garbage.
When they are all over the forums screaming blue murder about how they are being "griefed" out of the game, then you can be assured ccp will listen. New subs flatline, ccp have to act fast to redress the tipping balance.... THEN they may listen to reason.
Anything else will just be ignored, deflected by CSM bootlicking as in the recent past, or just trampled over.... The purpose of life is not to make a living, but to make a difference... |
Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:18:00 -
[59] - Quote
Rainus Max wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The Mittani wrote:........
The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. ......
But if CCP management chooses to ignores you, ingnore the press, ignore the comments from the community and so on, how can you put any pressure on them at all? I think the simple answer to that is you dont, CCP will continue to dive towards the floor and Eve dies a slow and painful death.
Then I'm right back to my original question: If all this activity to put pressure on CCP will not prevent the event of "Eve dies a slow and painful death", then why do it? Wouldn't it be better to spend our time figuring out something what would work? (No I'm not sure what that would be. The best Ive thought of is face to face meetings with the investors of CCP). |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:21:00 -
[60] - Quote
There is just this slight issue with DUST already being announced to be released next year. I have no doubt CCP management will throw any and all resources at this for it to accomplish and getting them to prioritize differently in any greater level will be practically impossible. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
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Reva Dantenov
Reib Autonomous Industries
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:22:00 -
[61] - Quote
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:Rainus Max wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The Mittani wrote:........
The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. ......
But if CCP management chooses to ignores you, ingnore the press, ignore the comments from the community and so on, how can you put any pressure on them at all? I think the simple answer to that is you dont, CCP will continue to dive towards the floor and Eve dies a slow and painful death. Then I'm right back to my original question: If all this activity to put pressure on CCP will not prevent the event of "Eve dies a slow and painful death", then why do it? Wouldn't it be better to spend our time figuring out something what would work? (No I'm not sure what that would be. The best Ive thought of is face to face meetings with the investors of CCP).
Wait, wait.
You're a time traveler from the future, and instead of bringing lotto numbers you came back to the past to tell us that the media campaign won't work?
Ponies ponies ponies ponies. |
Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:27:00 -
[62] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:
Historically CCP management is quite reactive to the press. See: Monoclegate, T20, Summer of Rage. It's actually the only consistently effective tactic that players have found to get CCP's management to change their course.
As much as you might want to wring your hands in hysteria, media pressure as an effective strategy is not new, and this is not the first time it has been deployed.
That was then. This is now.
Now they may be so invested in the two new games that they may feel its best to ignore any bad press about the current situation, assuming it will either blow over, or not be so damaging that they cannot make it all back when the new games come out. They may be thinking: "Don't worry about it. When everyone sees the new games they will think its so utterly AWESOME that all will be forgiven!"
I really think you need a Plan B here, something to do if CCP management simply ignores the bad press, or just gives it lip service.
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DrDan21
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
68
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:27:00 -
[63] - Quote
Jowen Datloran wrote:There is just this slight issue with DUST already being announced to be released next year. I have no doubt CCP management will throw any and all resources at this for it to accomplish and getting them to prioritize differently in any greater level will be practically impossible.
No one is going to buy Dust when all they hear about the company's current flagship game is:
Refuses to listen to players Terrible at making things fun Lag everywhere Unbalanced stuff Features broken and ignored for years at a time |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:31:00 -
[64] - Quote
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The Mittani wrote:
Historically CCP management is quite reactive to the press. See: Monoclegate, T20, Summer of Rage. It's actually the only consistently effective tactic that players have found to get CCP's management to change their course.
As much as you might want to wring your hands in hysteria, media pressure as an effective strategy is not new, and this is not the first time it has been deployed.
That was then. This is now. Now they may be so invested in the two new games that they may feel its best to ignore any bad press about the current situation, assuming it will either blow over, or not be so damaging that they cannot make it all back when the new games come out. They may be thinking: "Don't worry about it. When everyone sees the new games they will think its so utterly AWESOME that all will be forgiven!" I really think you need a Plan B here, something to do if CCP management simply ignores the bad press, or just gives it lip service.
We'll see how it goes.
If I do have a Plan B, I'm not going to reveal it until Plan A fails. |
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
7
|
Posted - 2011.09.08 22:34:00 -
[65] - Quote
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:Rainus Max wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The Mittani wrote:........
The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. ......
But if CCP management chooses to ignores you, ingnore the press, ignore the comments from the community and so on, how can you put any pressure on them at all? I think the simple answer to that is you dont, CCP will continue to dive towards the floor and Eve dies a slow and painful death. Then I'm right back to my original question: If all this activity to put pressure on CCP will not prevent the event of "Eve dies a slow and painful death", then why do it? Wouldn't it be better to spend our time figuring out something what would work? (No I'm not sure what that would be. The best Ive thought of is face to face meetings with the investors of CCP).
That's assuming that CCP ignore the bad press, they do that they seriously risk losing potential customers and future products being tainted. The last great "poop-storm" that reared its ugly head we got a couple of blogs and a 'it will all blow over soon' attitude, once the press got their hands on it the tune changed pretty rapidly and an emergency CSM meeting was held, huge promises were made etc etc. 4 months later what do we have to show of ANY progress? Basically.... a photo of a white board with a few ideas which potentially are going to take 5 years to deploy.
Personally I'm holding out to winter before I make the decision to stay or leave, if this patch falls flat on its face like the last couple I dont see the point of sticking around, which is a shame after 5 years of playing, 2 fanfests and a hell of a lot of good friendships. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
|
Posted - 2011.09.08 22:35:00 -
[66] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:I'm completely missing something about this "war on the management of CCP". What if they simply ignore it? Say nothing and keep doing what they are doing in allocating resources?
The goal of the war is to get a better game by having more resources used on Eve. Helping to kill off subscriptions, lowering the resources available, does not seem to be a way to get that goal.
What am I missing? How can we pressure CCP, other than trying to kill the game we are trying to save? You might be missing a lot, since there's no 'war'. The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. The CSM has not called for unsubs, or for 'war'. I'd suggest you start reading primary sources, rather than hyperbolic summaries on eve-o.
Mittani, as large as your ego may be, even you have completely missed the point and/or theme of EVE. I think the average derper can tell you that flying Spaceships is a big part of EVE, but this is not entirely, 100% a spaceship GAME. Once you realize this, well, your face might explode.
We are playing a space simulator. Exploration, combat, mining, station trading, politics, corporation management and (soon) player interaction via station establishments.
Tell me again that this is simply a spaceship game, or give me your CSM chair, because, obviously, I understand this game better than you and I've only been around since '09.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:37:00 -
[67] - Quote
Sha Dar wrote: Gullible noobies prepared to fully support this Pay2win garbage..
exactly WHAT pay2win garbage is that?
there are no game affecting items in the NeX store CCP has said there will not be game affecting items in the nex store.
WHAT PAY2WIN GARBAGE IS THERE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW?
none.
in otherwords - stop talking out your ass because your mouth knows better WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Alpheias
58
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:39:00 -
[68] - Quote
Rainus Max wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:Rainus Max wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The Mittani wrote:........
The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. ......
But if CCP management chooses to ignores you, ingnore the press, ignore the comments from the community and so on, how can you put any pressure on them at all? I think the simple answer to that is you dont, CCP will continue to dive towards the floor and Eve dies a slow and painful death. Then I'm right back to my original question: If all this activity to put pressure on CCP will not prevent the event of "Eve dies a slow and painful death", then why do it? Wouldn't it be better to spend our time figuring out something what would work? (No I'm not sure what that would be. The best Ive thought of is face to face meetings with the investors of CCP). That's assuming that CCP ignore the bad press, they do that they seriously risk losing potential customers and future products being tainted. The last great "poop-storm" that reared its ugly head we got a couple of blogs and a 'it will all blow over soon' attitude, once the press got their hands on it the tune changed pretty rapidly and an emergency CSM meeting was held, huge promises were made etc etc. 4 months later what do we have to show of ANY progress? Basically.... a photo of a white board with a few ideas which potentially are going to take 5 years to deploy. Personally I'm holding out to winter before I make the decision to stay or leave, if this patch falls flat on its face like the last couple I dont see the point of sticking around, which is a shame after 5 years of playing, 2 fanfests and a hell of a lot of good friendships.
CCP has ignored bad press before, only to react when it reaches a DEFCON 1 shitstorm. And no doubt they will continue to ignore it until it explodes in their faces again.
Personally, I am confident that the winter expansion will be as poorly executed as Dominion but suck at least as bad as Incarna, so I am not holding my breath over it.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:39:00 -
[69] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:The Mittani wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:I'm completely missing something about this "war on the management of CCP". What if they simply ignore it? Say nothing and keep doing what they are doing in allocating resources?
The goal of the war is to get a better game by having more resources used on Eve. Helping to kill off subscriptions, lowering the resources available, does not seem to be a way to get that goal.
What am I missing? How can we pressure CCP, other than trying to kill the game we are trying to save? You might be missing a lot, since there's no 'war'. The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. The CSM has not called for unsubs, or for 'war'. I'd suggest you start reading primary sources, rather than hyperbolic summaries on eve-o. Mittani, as large as your ego may be, even you have completely missed the point and/or theme of EVE. I think the average derper can tell you that flying Spaceships is a big part of EVE, but this is not entirely, 100% a spaceship GAME. Once you realize this, well, your face might explode. We are playing a space simulator. Exploration, combat, mining, station trading, politics, corporation management and (soon) player interaction via station establishments. Tell me again that this is simply a spaceship game, or give me your CSM chair, because, obviously, I understand this game better than you and I've only been around since '09.
i think both of you are being over the top
eve is primarily a spaceship game. but Incarna does have it's place as well to increase the richness of the universe.
but more time needs to be spend on FiS and if they're going to do WiS DO IT RIGHT - stop doing half arsed releases.
WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Solomunio Kzenig
Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:51:00 -
[70] - Quote
The neglect from Gé¼Gé¼P towards their only source of revenue makes me glad I've cancelled my sub. Ah well, all good things come to an end. Fly Safe |
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
2
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:52:00 -
[71] - Quote
Denidil wrote: there are no game affecting items in the NeX store CCP has said there will not be game affecting items in the nex store.
If you really believe the situation is going to remain that way, then you are more gullible than the people ccp are trying to replace the current playerbase with. The purpose of life is not to make a living, but to make a difference... |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
20
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:58:00 -
[72] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The Mittani wrote:
Historically CCP management is quite reactive to the press. See: Monoclegate, T20, Summer of Rage. It's actually the only consistently effective tactic that players have found to get CCP's management to change their course.
As much as you might want to wring your hands in hysteria, media pressure as an effective strategy is not new, and this is not the first time it has been deployed.
That was then. This is now. Now they may be so invested in the two new games that they may feel its best to ignore any bad press about the current situation, assuming it will either blow over, or not be so damaging that they cannot make it all back when the new games come out. They may be thinking: "Don't worry about it. When everyone sees the new games they will think its so utterly AWESOME that all will be forgiven!" I really think you need a Plan B here, something to do if CCP management simply ignores the bad press, or just gives it lip service. We'll see how it goes. If I do have a Plan B, I'm not going to reveal it until Plan A fails.
You should just go with plan B now. And maybe C and D while you are at it.
Time to treat it like a hot drop operation and bring as much firepower as you can muster all at once.
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:58:00 -
[73] - Quote
Denidil wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:The Mittani wrote:Gaia Ma'chello wrote:I'm completely missing something about this "war on the management of CCP". What if they simply ignore it? Say nothing and keep doing what they are doing in allocating resources?
The goal of the war is to get a better game by having more resources used on Eve. Helping to kill off subscriptions, lowering the resources available, does not seem to be a way to get that goal.
What am I missing? How can we pressure CCP, other than trying to kill the game we are trying to save? You might be missing a lot, since there's no 'war'. The CSM is exerting pressure as a community to try to get the management to allocate more resources to the game we all love - a SPACESHIP game. The CSM has not called for unsubs, or for 'war'. I'd suggest you start reading primary sources, rather than hyperbolic summaries on eve-o. Mittani, as large as your ego may be, even you have completely missed the point and/or theme of EVE. I think the average derper can tell you that flying Spaceships is a big part of EVE, but this is not entirely, 100% a spaceship GAME. Once you realize this, well, your face might explode. We are playing a space simulator. Exploration, combat, mining, station trading, politics, corporation management and (soon) player interaction via station establishments. Tell me again that this is simply a spaceship game, or give me your CSM chair, because, obviously, I understand this game better than you and I've only been around since '09. i think both of you are being over the top eve is primarily a spaceship game. but Incarna does have it's place as well to increase the richness of the universe. but more time needs to be spend on FiS and if they're going to do WiS DO IT RIGHT - stop doing half arsed releases.
And I don't disagree that equal time should be spent on both FiS and WiS, but making a simple generalization and calling EVE a spaceship game takes away some of a player's credibility, in my eyes.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
|
Posted - 2011.09.08 23:25:00 -
[74] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:The Mittani wrote:
We'll see how it goes.
If I do have a Plan B, I'm not going to reveal it until Plan A fails.
You should just go with plan B now. And maybe C and D while you are at it. Time to treat it like a hot drop operation and bring as much firepower as you can muster all at once.
I disagree. The goal here is not to indiscriminately blast CCP. EVE is in a crisis, and we're trying to pressure the management into reallocating resources to FiS to save the game from stagnation. Indiscriminately lashing out doesn't help achieve that goal.
I have, in the past, indiscriminately lashed out at CCP - in 2007, during the T20 crisis. I've learned a lot since then. The worst thing about lashing out indiscriminately is that it dilutes your message and provides an easy refutation to anything you're saying; your arguments can be dismissed as a tantrum.
Moreover, lashing out at CCP by using every possible tactic loses sight of the entire purpose of our actions. A massive push might send EVE over the edge, and that kind of chaos is also impossible to control. Events take on a life of their own; you can't back away from the precipice.
It's also important to keep in mind your path to victory. If you 'unload', you lose sight of that. The CSM has a clear path to victory: Media pressure -> FiS Reallocation -> CSM Spotlights the Reallocation and praises CCP -> CSM works with CCP to restore interest in EVE. If we throw the kitchen sink at CCP, it's makes it difficult to work with them once the crisis is resolved to salvage the situation. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
|
Posted - 2011.09.08 23:27:00 -
[75] - Quote
Solomunio Kzenig wrote:The neglect from Gé¼Gé¼P towards their only source of revenue makes me glad I've cancelled my sub. Ah well, all good things come to an end. Fly Safe
your stuff, can i haz? WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
|
Posted - 2011.09.08 23:28:00 -
[76] - Quote
Sha Dar wrote:Denidil wrote: there are no game affecting items in the NeX store CCP has said there will not be game affecting items in the nex store.
If you really believe the situation is going to remain that way, then you are more gullible than the people ccp are trying to replace the current playerbase with.
if you really think it will change, then you're a paranoid delusional.
see? we can both make ridiculous statements.
Do i think 100% that they won't break their word? of course not Do i think people who assume CCP won't keep their word are correct? no - i don't take the opinions of jackasses on the internet into account.
plus the person was talking as if there were ALREADY game affecting items in the gmae. which their aren't. so i ask again "What pay2win garbage"?
WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
178
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Posted - 2011.09.08 23:50:00 -
[77] - Quote
If your primary concern with articles like this is The Mittani's ego and not the sense that he and the CSM by extension are talking then you might not be surprised to learn that you have no interest in EVE being a better game and are more interested in the shallow lows of sensationalism. Also Mittens is a cool bro irl so ~back off nerds~. |
Gefen Orion
Pilipino Corp ROMANIAN-LEGION
5
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Posted - 2011.09.08 23:51:00 -
[78] - Quote
I have to support this. The lack of major content update on the FIS for the past year is saddening, to say the least. Eve will die if this continues. Please don't let it happen.
This CSM statement was long overdue. Finally, they got it right. |
Cedar Locus
Superfission
4
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Posted - 2011.09.08 23:55:00 -
[79] - Quote
this thread makes me feel sick |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.08 23:58:00 -
[80] - Quote
White Tree wrote:If your primary concern with articles like this is The Mittani's ego and not the sense that he and the CSM by extension are talking then you might not be surprised to learn that you have no interest in EVE being a better game and are more interested in the shallow lows of sensationalism. Also Mittens is a cool bro irl so ~back off nerds~.
Credibility destroyed.
FATALITY.
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White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:00:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:White Tree wrote:If your primary concern with articles like this is The Mittani's ego and not the sense that he and the CSM by extension are talking then you might not be surprised to learn that you have no interest in EVE being a better game and are more interested in the shallow lows of sensationalism. Also Mittens is a cool bro irl so ~back off nerds~. Credibility destroyed. FATALITY.
How is me telling people to pay attention to ~what is real~ a hit to my credibility? |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:04:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:White Tree wrote:If your primary concern with articles like this is The Mittani's ego and not the sense that he and the CSM by extension are talking then you might not be surprised to learn that you have no interest in EVE being a better game and are more interested in the shallow lows of sensationalism. Also Mittens is a cool bro irl so ~back off nerds~. Credibility destroyed. FATALITY. How is me telling people to pay attention to ~what is real~ a hit to my credibility?
You are attacking a playerbase, no, a small percentage of the playerbase (meaning, the people who actually read forums) because you have failed to acknowledge that not everyone sees things the way that you do.
People like this do not deserve a position to represent said playerbase.
Although, maybe I'm one of the few that actually understand CCPs vision, I realize that focusing on one tiny aspect will not bring this "war" to a standstill. You'll simply upset the other side.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
178
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:13:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote: You are attacking a playerbase, no, a small percentage of the playerbase (meaning, the people who actually read forums) because you have failed to acknowledge that not everyone sees things the way that you do.
People like this do not deserve a position to represent said playerbase.
I'm 'attacking' people who prefer to build their own vision of whats real based on sensationalism. But you're rationalizing their position which is terrifying. And yeah, I'd prefer not to represent people who have the intellectual credibility of a tabloid reader. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:15:00 -
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White Tree wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote: You are attacking a playerbase, no, a small percentage of the playerbase (meaning, the people who actually read forums) because you have failed to acknowledge that not everyone sees things the way that you do.
People like this do not deserve a position to represent said playerbase.
I'm 'attacking' people who prefer to build their own vision of whats real based on sensationalism. But you're rationalizing their position which is terrifying. And yeah, I'd prefer not to represent people who have the intellectual credibility of a tabloid reader.
That's funny, because a lot of the whining and war mongering is fueled by people who wear the metaphorical tinfoil hat. We'll see what happens next CSM.
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White Tree
Broski Federation Elite Space Guild
178
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:16:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote: That's funny, because a lot of the whining and war mongering is fueled by people who wear the metaphorical tinfoil hat.
Yeah? And I never claimed to represent those people. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:22:00 -
[86] - Quote
White Tree wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote: That's funny, because a lot of the whining and war mongering is fueled by people who wear the metaphorical tinfoil hat.
Yeah? And I never claimed to represent those people.
I also didn't vote for you.
The new campaign will hopefully reach the masses. We will strive to keep people with their own personal agenda out of the CSM. What we need are people who represent the playerbase as a whole. Not just people with a narrow-vision of what they believe EVE is.
Especially, Mittens.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
50
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:24:00 -
[87] - Quote
White Tree wrote: And yeah, I'd prefer not to represent people who have the intellectual credibility of a tabloid reader.
And yet they are the very people who will be targeted by a media campaign. Kinda ironic, non? |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
132
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:26:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:White Tree wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote: That's funny, because a lot of the whining and war mongering is fueled by people who wear the metaphorical tinfoil hat.
Yeah? And I never claimed to represent those people. I also didn't vote for you. The new campaign will hopefully reach the masses. We will strive to keep people with their own personal agenda out of the CSM. What we need are people who represent the playerbase as a whole. Not just people with a narrow-vision of what they believe EVE is. Especially, Mittens. You have yet to understand that your reactionary statements simply make you look like a screaming toddler. Let's sit down and talk about the real issues instead of spouting a bunch of dumb garbage because you aren't getting your way at this very moment.
Sure, EVE isn't all about spaceships. CCP does have a future vision.
But the large, vast majority of the playerbase believes that the spaceships part has been neglected over a large period of time. The current CSM has been elected because simply put the average spaceship player believes this. There is no secret conspiracy.
Wait your turn, we've waited ours.
You also have to understand that the spaceships part is one of the most important parts of the game. Without it, you would have no combat, no politics, no real reason to mine, station trade, or do whatever. EVE isn't about watching your ISK wallet increase. Spaceships blowing up is what drives EVE, and if you don't have spaceships blowing up, you lose everything else.
You forget to realize that the CSM has been elected to represent the players for an entire year. It's been what, three months and you are already calling for their heads to roll. Give it an honest attempt, they may look like or be assholes to you, but look at the effort they are giving to do try to help the game. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:27:00 -
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EI Digin wrote: But the large, vast majority of the playerbase believes that the spaceships part has been neglected over a large period of time.
Woah, woah, let me just stop you right there. That is completely incorrect. I don't think I have to explain why, either.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
132
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:28:00 -
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Well they were elected, on this platform, weren't they? |
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:30:00 -
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EI Digin wrote: Well, you can't just say I'm wrong without explaining why!
You claim that a "vast majority" of the playerbase agrees with you. Now I know that this couldn't possibly be true, because I'm sure 300-400k people didn't take part in the last CSM.
And hey, if you can make a sweeping statement like that, so can I!
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
132
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:32:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote: Well, you can't just say I'm wrong without explaining why!
You claim that a "vast majority" of the playerbase agrees with you. Now I know that this couldn't possibly be true, because I'm sure 300-400k people didn't take part in the last CSM. And hey, if you can make a sweeping statement like that, so can I!
If you don't vote, should your opinion on matter mean anything? |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:34:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote: Well, you can't just say I'm wrong without explaining why!
You claim that a "vast majority" of the playerbase agrees with you. Now I know that this couldn't possibly be true, because I'm sure 300-400k people didn't take part in the last CSM. And hey, if you can make a sweeping statement like that, so can I! If you don't vote, should your opinion on matter mean anything?
I voted.
The problem is that not enough people vote. I'm willing to bet that this is due to either not caring or not knowing and/or having enough information. That is the problem I and a group of people set out to solve.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
J Kunjeh
55
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:35:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote: Well, you can't just say I'm wrong without explaining why!
You claim that a "vast majority" of the playerbase agrees with you. Now I know that this couldn't possibly be true, because I'm sure 300-400k people didn't take part in the last CSM.
Your figures are way off. There are maybe 150-175k actual individual humans subbed to Eve, the rest are alts. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
10
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:36:00 -
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Quote:CCP has said there will not be game affecting items in the nex store. No they didn't, they said "they have no plans", and that was after the riots. They most certainly had plans, originally you were going to be able to buy special skinned ships directly off the nex, later they changed it so that it would take an existing ship as an input. None of that has happened yet, but seriously, don't fool yourself.
It's easier to get rid of something before it exists, we dodged a bullet, but the clip isn't empty yet. |
Vin Hellsing
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Here's the fact: WiS has waited more than five years to be implemented...
CCP has been constantly adding and tweaking the spaceship pew-pew aspect almost every expansion.
And now they're going to come back to fixing nullsec/sov this winter onwards.
I don't get why everybody should complain about this. :p |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:37:00 -
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J Kunjeh wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote: Well, you can't just say I'm wrong without explaining why!
You claim that a "vast majority" of the playerbase agrees with you. Now I know that this couldn't possibly be true, because I'm sure 300-400k people didn't take part in the last CSM. Your figures are way off. There are maybe 150-175k actual individual humans subbed to Eve, the rest are alts.
Alts can vote, can they not?
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
74
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:37:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote: Well, you can't just say I'm wrong without explaining why!
You claim that a "vast majority" of the playerbase agrees with you. Now I know that this couldn't possibly be true, because I'm sure 300-400k people didn't take part in the last CSM. And hey, if you can make a sweeping statement like that, so can I!
Well, a simple observation of the participation in the "Jita Riots" as well as other factors such as faltering subscription and concurrent login numbers would indicate stagnation. The fact that all of the current CSM members elected are generally nullsec-centric (with the exception of a few, such as the highsec representative and the wormhole dweller) would mean that enough of the voters did care.
People never vote for the CSM. Many, many EVE players aren't even aware of the existence of the CSM. However, the general outcry against poor balance in many areas of the game would speak to El Digin's statement. |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
132
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:38:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote: Well, you can't just say I'm wrong without explaining why!
You claim that a "vast majority" of the playerbase agrees with you. Now I know that this couldn't possibly be true, because I'm sure 300-400k people didn't take part in the last CSM. And hey, if you can make a sweeping statement like that, so can I! If you don't vote, should your opinion on matter mean anything? I voted. The problem is that not enough people vote. I'm willing to bet that this is due to either not caring or not knowing and/or having enough information. That is the problem I and a group of people set out to solve.
Good luck in your quest. I only hope that you give people the entire facts about the situation, like the CSM currently is, rather than your opinions on the matter. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:41:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:
Good luck in your quest. I only hope that you give people the entire facts about the situation, like the CSM currently is, rather than your opinions on the matter.
This is why we're recruiting people from every spectrum. While I feel that WiS should be equal in attention alongside FiS, there are those that would disagree with me.
Perhaps FiS having a grace period of attention before getting to what "avatar enthusiats" want. Or maybe, just concentrating on one part of "space."
I have my opinions, I defend them. But it's time more than just a large alliance voted for people.
DurrHurrDurr wrote:
People never vote for the CSM. Many, many EVE players aren't even aware of the existence of the CSM. .
This is the problem that I have highlighted.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
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En'emu
Ghosts of Ragnarok Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:50:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote:
Good luck in your quest. I only hope that you give people the entire facts about the situation, like the CSM currently is, rather than your opinions on the matter.
This is why we're recruiting people from every spectrum. While I feel that WiS should be equal in attention alongside FiS, there are those that would disagree with me. Perhaps FiS having a grace period of attention before getting to what "avatar enthusiats" want. Or maybe, just concentrating on one part of "space." I have my opinions, I defend them. But it's time more than just a large alliance voted for people. DurrHurrDurr wrote:
People never vote for the CSM. Many, many EVE players aren't even aware of the existence of the CSM. .
This is the problem that I have highlighted.
I seriously want to know how many people truly believe that EVE is a game that should focus on playing dress-up in a station.
It has never been that, it will never be that. I don't see an avatar taking sov. I don't see an avatar running a mission. I don't see an avatar shooting at a spaceship. That has never been the focus of eveonline, and it can never be allowed to become the focus.
Somehow this game has survived for 8 years with only spaceships, I fail to see how equal focus should be payed to eye candy. |
Quel Thalas
Aliastra Gallente Federation
8
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posting to support Mittani the suits in iceland need to get back to basics
aka
EVE online |
Sexy Moped
The Drones Club
3
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I have been keeping away from eve for the best part of the year and all the news that came with it. It's sad to see the way it is going right now after catching up with all the controversies in the last six months (even a riot? ). Paying stupid amounts of real life money for a monocle is just stupid and after all it's virtual which saddens me more due to the fact that people buy these gimmicks because it looks cool.
But i also think that the players who have been around for maybe 4-5 years or more (including myself) are struggling to adapt to how the marketing strategy of MMO's are run these days. You notice that most MMO's that come out are free to play with tokens etc etc, even WoW is doing it..... this is the future of eve?
I hope not but it could well be and we are being ignored as this process is being slowly introduced into a game that, has built it's own culture and character through the player base. As much we hate a certain person for being on the CSM they need our support right now and they better be right with what they are doing or it will fall into a further spiral. And if they do get it wrong.......
n+êGò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:53:00 -
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En'emu wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote:
Good luck in your quest. I only hope that you give people the entire facts about the situation, like the CSM currently is, rather than your opinions on the matter.
This is why we're recruiting people from every spectrum. While I feel that WiS should be equal in attention alongside FiS, there are those that would disagree with me. Perhaps FiS having a grace period of attention before getting to what "avatar enthusiats" want. Or maybe, just concentrating on one part of "space." I have my opinions, I defend them. But it's time more than just a large alliance voted for people. DurrHurrDurr wrote:
People never vote for the CSM. Many, many EVE players aren't even aware of the existence of the CSM. .
This is the problem that I have highlighted. I seriously want to know how many people truly believe that EVE is a game that should focus on playing dress-up in a station. It has never been that, it will never be that. I don't see an avatar taking sov. I don't see an avatar running a mission. I don't see an avatar shooting at a spaceship. That has never been the focus of eveonline, and it can never be allowed to become the focus. Somehow this game has survived for 8 years with only spaceships, I fail to see how equal focus should be payed to eye candy.
You see, this is the problem with a few people. You see innovation, social interaction and a new aspect as something that you would write off as "barbies." While others do the same thing by calling EVE nothing more than a Spaceship game.
It's insulting, really. I mean, what about the people that spent hours customizing the "vanilla" avatars? Surely, you wouldn't classify them as barbie players.
By demanding EVE stays the same, you are only shortening its life-span. I'm pretty sure this is something most people don't want.
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Indy Rider
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
11
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:55:00 -
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Vin Hellsing wrote:
CCP has been constantly adding and tweaking the spaceship pew-pew aspect almost every expansion.
And now they're going to come back to fixing nullsec/sov this winter onwards.
I don't get why everybody should complain about this. :p
Except that a major part of every expansion has been fixes for the previous expansions bugs that they never patched. Now I'm not sure if its because they're lazy or incompetent, but at the moment it seems that EVE dev is severly under resourced.
Meryl SinGarda wrote:This is the problem that I have highlighted.
Its a bit hard to not realise the CSM vote is happening. CCP plug it on login, and a lot of people say to go out and vote, the people who don't vote are most likely too lazy / don't care about it. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:56:00 -
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Indy Rider wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:This is the problem that I have highlighted. Its a bit hard to not realise the CSM vote is happening. CCP plug it on login, and a lot of people say to go out and vote, the people who don't vote are most likely too lazy / don't care about it.
I'd be interested in knowing, though, how many people actually pay attention to login adverts.
Edit: Because half the time I find myself staring at the password entry box for about 2 seconds.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
En'emu
Ghosts of Ragnarok Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2011.09.09 00:58:00 -
[107] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:En'emu wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:EI Digin wrote:
Good luck in your quest. I only hope that you give people the entire facts about the situation, like the CSM currently is, rather than your opinions on the matter.
This is why we're recruiting people from every spectrum. While I feel that WiS should be equal in attention alongside FiS, there are those that would disagree with me. Perhaps FiS having a grace period of attention before getting to what "avatar enthusiats" want. Or maybe, just concentrating on one part of "space." I have my opinions, I defend them. But it's time more than just a large alliance voted for people. DurrHurrDurr wrote:
People never vote for the CSM. Many, many EVE players aren't even aware of the existence of the CSM. .
This is the problem that I have highlighted. I seriously want to know how many people truly believe that EVE is a game that should focus on playing dress-up in a station. It has never been that, it will never be that. I don't see an avatar taking sov. I don't see an avatar running a mission. I don't see an avatar shooting at a spaceship. That has never been the focus of eveonline, and it can never be allowed to become the focus. Somehow this game has survived for 8 years with only spaceships, I fail to see how equal focus should be payed to eye candy. You see, this is the problem with a few people. You see innovation, social interaction and a new aspect as something that you would write off as "barbies." While others do the same thing by calling EVE nothing more than a Spaceship game. It's insulting, really. I mean, what about the people that spent hours customizing the "vanilla" avatars? Surely, you wouldn't classify them as barbie players. By demanding EVE stays the same, you are only shortening its life-span. I'm pretty sure this is something most people don't want.
I'm not demanding EVE stay the same.
I'm asking for emphasis to be put on the root of the game, what attracted all of us players to EVE. We can for SPACE combat, and a SPACE game. I see far too many people/companies/games alienate their core playerbase/voterbase/whathaveyou by moving away from the principles that made them popular in the first place.
It's like Blizzard going: Ok, we have this super-cool new feature that allows you to blast a rocket off into space and look at Azeroth from the sky. We're now going to make this the focus of our development for an entire expansion cycle, **** it up, release no new raids, battlegrounds, instances, or levels, and literally only have eye candy. SEE GUYS! SEE! WE INNOVATED AND DID SOMETHING NEW! THAT'S GOOD RIGHT! Too bad your entire playerbase just quit because there's been no new relevant content for 2 years. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 01:05:00 -
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I'm going to avoid pyramid quoting here...
You're saying that there's been no relevant "space" content for 2 years, but I happen to remember a little thing called Incursions and from the looks of it, plenty of people are still utilizing this feature.
On top of that, this is more than a "rocket into space," this is a whole new level being added to the game and with the complexity involved I am not surprised that a year's worth of expansions is being used to fully introduce it.
So, for 7-8 years CCP has been developing on the "core" game and the second they bring in a new aspect, that they've been talking about since day 1, you're in an uproar over it?
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Indy Rider
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
11
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Posted - 2011.09.09 01:05:00 -
[109] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Indy Rider wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:This is the problem that I have highlighted. Its a bit hard to not realise the CSM vote is happening. CCP plug it on login, and a lot of people say to go out and vote, the people who don't vote are most likely too lazy / don't care about it. I'd be interested in knowing, though, how many people actually pay attention to login adverts. Edit: Because half the time I find myself staring at the password entry box for about 2 seconds.
Me too, I pay attention to them because they only show up once, theres probably a better way of doing it, just no ones thought of it yet. The part I really don't like about the CSM vote is when theres the follow the leader type of canditates that Alliances put up, but thats just me.
P.S - No, I didn't vote for Whitetree when I was in TEST, Seleene ftw. |
AnzacPaul
Perkone Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2011.09.09 01:08:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:
You see, this is the problem with a few people. You see innovation, social interaction and a new aspect as something that you would write off as "barbies." While others do the same thing by calling EVE nothing more than a Spaceship game.
It's insulting, really. I mean, what about the people that spent hours customizing the "vanilla" avatars? Surely, you wouldn't classify them as barbie players.
I think you would find the majority of "capsuleers" would have no problem with both Incarna, and the nex store, had CCP actually continued to develop the FiS aspect of the game, and not use the few resources Eve actually has to introduce the Aurum system which has only 1 purpose, to make quick money. Why do you think we are still waiting on the other CQ? The only reason Gallente CQ was pushed out so fast was because of the next store.
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En'emu
Ghosts of Ragnarok Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2011.09.09 01:12:00 -
[111] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:I'm going to avoid pyramid quoting here...
You're saying that there's been no relevant "space" content for 2 years, but I happen to remember a little thing called Incursions and from the looks of it, plenty of people are still utilizing this feature.
On top of that, this is more than a "rocket into space," this is a whole new level being added to the game and with the complexity involved I am not surprised that a year's worth of expansions is being used to fully introduce it.
So, for 7-8 years CCP has been developing on the "core" game and the second they bring in a new aspect, that they've been talking about since day 1, you're in an uproar over it?
The blizzard analogy was just that: an analogy. Don't read too far into it.
This is nothing at all more than a wow player being able to orbit around azeroth from space. We can sit in a station and talk to people. BUT WAIT! We can't even do that yet! That will take another year to roll out! We can sit in a station by ourselves! FUCKYEA.
Focus on the **** you know how to do CCP. Blizz wouldn't develop a sandbox MMO. You won't develop a theme park MMO.
You develop spaceships. You have made a really ******* good spaceship game. Don't turn it into something it isn't. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 01:14:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:
You see, this is the problem with a few people. You see innovation, social interaction and a new aspect as something that you would write off as "barbies." While others do the same thing by calling EVE nothing more than a Spaceship game.
It's insulting, really. I mean, what about the people that spent hours customizing the "vanilla" avatars? Surely, you wouldn't classify them as barbie players.
I think you would find the majority of "capsuleers" would have no problem with both Incarna, and the nex store, had CCP actually continued to develop the FiS aspect of the game, and not use the few resources Eve actually has to introduce the Aurum system which has only 1 purpose, to make quick money. Why do you think we are still waiting on the other CQ? The only reason Gallente CQ was pushed out so fast was because of the next store.
This is a valid point, which is why I believe it would be fair to say that both aspects of the game we all play should have equal attention. I mean, I've been waiting for Incarna for a long time. The main reason I argue is because I would hate to see CCP take 2 steps back. I don't think that falling backwards is what needs to be done.
Maybe a reallocation of resources, I don't know though, I'm not over their in CCP HQ. I'm not a developer. I am simply a subscriber to a service that I enjoy.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
10
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Quote:By demanding EVE stays the same, you are only shortening its life-span. Most are demanding the opposite, that some actual work gets done on changing, expanding, and refining Eve. I have no problems developing WiS, but not if it's just going to be a MT shopping mall, which is pretty much where I see this going. If that's where it goes I'd rather not have it at all.
That said, FiS is EvE, always has been, always will be, and that's where the vast majority of the attention needs to be placed. |
AnzacPaul
Perkone Caldari State
77
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Posted - 2011.09.09 01:34:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:
This is a valid point, which is why I believe it would be fair to say that both aspects of the game we all play should have equal attention. I mean, I've been waiting for Incarna for a long time. The main reason I argue is because I would hate to see CCP take 2 steps back. I don't think that falling backwards is what needs to be done.
Maybe a reallocation of resources, I don't know though, I'm not over their in CCP HQ. I'm not a developer. I am simply a subscriber to a service that I enjoy.
And now you see the real problem.
People arguing with each other because resources are spread so thin.
All we all want is to continue for Eve to be a great game. The problem is for alot of people, Incarna is the next step in their "great game". For others, like me, we see it to be a bane, mainly because it takes away resources from "our great game" the FiS aspect.
This is why everyone needs to band together, whether you are pro incarna or against it, because what we are really talking about here is Dev resources towards Eve in the future. |
Hicksimus
Mom's Friendly Spaceship Company
13
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Posted - 2011.09.09 01:40:00 -
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Whether you like Incarna or not is not the issue here. They've re-released sleepers and created one room in the time it took them to release all of wormhole space. This isn't just neglect for flying in space, this is neglect for the capabilities that Incarna offers. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
31
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Posted - 2011.09.09 02:08:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:I'm going to avoid pyramid quoting here...
You're saying that there's been no relevant "space" content for 2 years, but I happen to remember a little thing called Incursions and from the looks of it, plenty of people are still utilizing this feature.
On top of that, this is more than a "rocket into space," this is a whole new level being added to the game and with the complexity involved I am not surprised that a year's worth of expansions is being used to fully introduce it.
So, for 7-8 years CCP has been developing on the "core" game and the second they bring in a new aspect, that they've been talking about since day 1, you're in an uproar over it?
Yes incursions was a little thing. Sleeper UI applied in known space. One little thing in 2 years.
And it wasn't a "second" that they have been devoting the lions share of their devs to dress up. It is going on years. Dress up is just not worth that. Sure 6 months and an incarna expansion. Great no problem.
But now we are going on 2 years and all the other parts of eve that ccp openly acknowledges needs fixing have been put on hold. Devs still aren't giving us any idea when they will start working on eve again other than to say they probably will never do a big expansion like apocrypha again. This is why anyone who can read gets the idea that eve is being abandoned.
And yeah if you spent *hours* dressing up your vanilla character you *were* playing barbie. Incarna has no combat. It is just *walking* in a station. No sane person thinks that will make for great gameplay. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
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Khira Kitamatsu
114
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Posted - 2011.09.09 02:20:00 -
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The problem as I see it...CCP bit of more than they can chew. They are trying to do three things at once. Who cares if they have separate teams for each project. EVE should be their number one project no matter what else they may have on the table. They promised us CQ's and WiS by August of this year. Well it is now Sept and now we're told that the rest of the CQ's will get released sometime this WinterGäó with the rest following soonGäó after. How are we suppose to believe them when they haven't been truthful with us regarding Incarna.
Also if all Incarna is going to be is a jump board for more MT - then I hope they never finish it and I hope EVE, WoD and Dust 514 crush and burn horribly. Incarna should not be about MT...it should be about expanding the potential game play of an all ready great MMO by giving us alternate alternatives to flying spaceships 24/7.
EVE should have and needs the human factor. What EVE does not need is to be neglected and turned into nothing more than a badly implemented space sim with an MT store attached to it. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Alpheias
58
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Posted - 2011.09.09 02:34:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:AnzacPaul wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:
You see, this is the problem with a few people. You see innovation, social interaction and a new aspect as something that you would write off as "barbies." While others do the same thing by calling EVE nothing more than a Spaceship game.
It's insulting, really. I mean, what about the people that spent hours customizing the "vanilla" avatars? Surely, you wouldn't classify them as barbie players.
I think you would find the majority of "capsuleers" would have no problem with both Incarna, and the nex store, had CCP actually continued to develop the FiS aspect of the game, and not use the few resources Eve actually has to introduce the Aurum system which has only 1 purpose, to make quick money. Why do you think we are still waiting on the other CQ? The only reason Gallente CQ was pushed out so fast was because of the next store. This is a valid point, which is why I believe it would be fair to say that both aspects of the game we all play should have equal attention. I mean, I've been waiting for Incarna for a long time. The main reason I argue is because I would hate to see CCP take 2 steps back. I don't think that falling backwards is what needs to be done. Maybe a reallocation of resources, I don't know though, I'm not over their in CCP HQ. I'm not a developer. I am simply a subscriber to a service that I enjoy.
So tell me what it is you want from Incarna? Beside strut around in a room with a door.
CCP has thrown out a few concept ideas on where they want to go with Incarna, which all sound awesome in theory. But when it comes to CCP's ability to deliver, well, whatever new feature they just released falls flat on its face and stays there until someone at CCP happens to look at a already huge backlog of things they should really fix - years ago.
As much as you would hate CCP to take two steps back, I hate that CCP is so utterly convinced that new features sell better than polished features and content that I would rather see CCP take two steps back than three forward.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.09 03:15:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:AnzacPaul wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:
You see, this is the problem with a few people. You see innovation, social interaction and a new aspect as something that you would write off as "barbies." While others do the same thing by calling EVE nothing more than a Spaceship game.
It's insulting, really. I mean, what about the people that spent hours customizing the "vanilla" avatars? Surely, you wouldn't classify them as barbie players.
I think you would find the majority of "capsuleers" would have no problem with both Incarna, and the nex store, had CCP actually continued to develop the FiS aspect of the game, and not use the few resources Eve actually has to introduce the Aurum system which has only 1 purpose, to make quick money. Why do you think we are still waiting on the other CQ? The only reason Gallente CQ was pushed out so fast was because of the next store. This is a valid point, which is why I believe it would be fair to say that both aspects of the game we all play should have equal attention. I mean, I've been waiting for Incarna for a long time. The main reason I argue is because I would hate to see CCP take 2 steps back. I don't think that falling backwards is what needs to be done. Maybe a reallocation of resources, I don't know though, I'm not over their in CCP HQ. I'm not a developer. I am simply a subscriber to a service that I enjoy. So tell me what it is you want from Incarna? Beside strut around in a room with a door. CCP has thrown out a few concept ideas on where they want to go with Incarna, which all sound awesome in theory. But when it comes to CCP's ability to deliver, well, whatever new feature they just released falls flat on its face and stays there until someone at CCP happens to look at a already huge backlog of things they should really fix - years ago. As much as you would hate CCP to take two steps back, I hate that CCP is so utterly convinced that new features sell better than polished features and content that I would rather see CCP take two steps back than three forward.
What do I want out of Incarna? Establishments, bars, minigames (poker), maybe a place where listeners of EVE Radio can actually meet up in person.
Although the first iteration is only a room with a clothing store, you do realize that there is more coming, right? I see people make this statement, "Oh well, Incarna is a just a room bla bla bla!"
It's part 1 of an "ongoing" expansion.
A little lacking on the feature side? Yes, absolutely. Totally cool anyway? Yes!
Instead of staring at brown covered in brown with a brown ship in the middle, I can sit down on my couch and search the market, make buy orders or view my planetary stuff. Then again, I've always had a bit of an RP side.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
stoicfaux
232
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Posted - 2011.09.09 03:20:00 -
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DrDan21 wrote:http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/14/feature/5582/EVE-Online-The-Mittani-Speaks-Out.html
+1
IMO, even FiS folks would have been "happy" with Tyrannis and Incarna if they had been released as fully fleshed out expansions instead of as the "meh, we can't be bothered" symbols of half-arse-edness that they epitomized in succession.
Damn, now I have that song running through my head.
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Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Iure Divino
29
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Posted - 2011.09.09 03:33:00 -
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As long as CCP continues to add more spaceship content and fixes, I'd be happy and they can do as much Incarna nonsense as they can possibly fit in their schedule and won't get complaints from me. Spaceships come before spacebarbie though, considering that's where the actual game happens... The current trend isn't looking so good right now though.... |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
117
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Posted - 2011.09.09 03:42:00 -
[122] - Quote
Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:As long as CCP continues to add more spaceship content and fixes, I'd be happy and they can do as much Incarna nonsense as they can possibly fit in their schedule and won't get complaints from me. Spaceships come before spacebarbie though, considering that's where the actual game happens... The current trend isn't looking so good right now though....
And here's another problem. Incarna shouldn't be considered separate from everything else, because I'm willing to bet you spend at least 5 minutes docked every time you're logged in.
Heck. I knew someone that spent hours and hours and hours just sitting in station. That's all she would do. She was also very uptight and ended up in an argument with me. Needless to say, I left that horrible corporation. ;)
Also hired a contract killer to tear the corporation apart from within, but now he defends learning skills and bashes the new forums.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
39
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Posted - 2011.09.09 03:59:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote: What do I want out of Incarna? Establishments, bars, minigames (poker), maybe a place where listeners of EVE Radio can actually meet up in person.
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You want to play poker in a spaceship game and pretend its your character. Is your character going to play poker different than you would as a person? You want to have your computer avatar on the same screen as someone elses computer avatar and pretend you are meeting in person. You want your computer avatar to take a drink at a virtual bar and pretend you are drinking.
Look lots of games offer this stuff but it is not awesome. Second life already fills this niche. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
39
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Posted - 2011.09.09 04:02:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:As long as CCP continues to add more spaceship content and fixes, I'd be happy and they can do as much Incarna nonsense as they can possibly fit in their schedule and won't get complaints from me. Spaceships come before spacebarbie though, considering that's where the actual game happens... The current trend isn't looking so good right now though.... And here's another problem. Incarna shouldn't be considered separate from everything else, because I'm willing to bet you spend at least 5 minutes docked every time you're logged in. Heck. I knew someone that spent hours and hours and hours just sitting in station. That's all she would do. She was also very uptight and ended up in an argument with me. Needless to say, I left that horrible corporation. ;) Also hired a contract killer to tear the corporation apart from within, but now he defends learning skills and bashes the new forums.
Try to stay focused. Your starting to become incoherent. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
117
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Posted - 2011.09.09 04:04:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote: What do I want out of Incarna? Establishments, bars, minigames (poker), maybe a place where listeners of EVE Radio can actually meet up in person.
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You want to play poker in a spaceship game and pretend its your character. Is your character going to play poker different than you would as a person? You want to have your computer avatar on the same screen as someone elses computer avatar and pretend you are meeting in person. You want your computer avatar to take a drink at a virtual bar and pretend you are drinking. Look lots of games offer this stuff but it is not awesome. Second life already fills this niche.
Have you ever even played an MMO outside of EVE Online?
They call them Massively multiplayer online role-playing games for a reason.
But then again, you are, technically playing a "role" no matter what you do. It's your ego that stops you from admitting to it, because you think it might be "nerdy" or "uncool" to pretend to be someone else, somewhere else.
It's not my problem if you find social interaction boring. Not everyone here is a sociopath.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
39
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Posted - 2011.09.09 04:36:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Cearain wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote: What do I want out of Incarna? Establishments, bars, minigames (poker), maybe a place where listeners of EVE Radio can actually meet up in person.
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You want to play poker in a spaceship game and pretend its your character. Is your character going to play poker different than you would as a person? You want to have your computer avatar on the same screen as someone elses computer avatar and pretend you are meeting in person. You want your computer avatar to take a drink at a virtual bar and pretend you are drinking. Look lots of games offer this stuff but it is not awesome. Second life already fills this niche. Have you ever even played an MMO outside of EVE Online? They call them Massively multiplayer online role-playing games for a reason. But then again, you are, technically playing a "role" no matter what you do. It's your ego that stops you from admitting to it, because you think it might be "nerdy" or "uncool" to pretend to be someone else, somewhere else. It's not my problem if you find social interaction boring. Not everyone here is a sociopath.
I played city of heroes a bit. You could meet others in rooms in that game. I also played a ww2 game.
I have no problem with roleplaying or pretend. I sort of pretend I am flying a spaceship and shooting other ships. Its fun. But I don't want to just pretend I am playing poker, or having a drink at a bar or talking to people. If I did I would play second life. But truthfully, I think that game sounds like crap. So I play eve instead.
And just because I do not especially look to a mmo for socializing doesn't mean I am not social. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.09.09 05:07:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Sha Dar wrote: Gullible noobies prepared to fully support this Pay2win garbage.. exactly WHAT pay2win garbage is that? there are no game affecting items in the NeX store CCP has said there will not be game affecting items in the nex store. WHAT PAY2WIN GARBAGE IS THERE IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW? none. in otherwords - stop talking out your ass because your mouth knows better
Plex. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
454
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Posted - 2011.09.09 05:10:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:As long as CCP continues to add more spaceship content and fixes, I'd be happy and they can do as much Incarna nonsense as they can possibly fit in their schedule and won't get complaints from me. Spaceships come before spacebarbie though, considering that's where the actual game happens... The current trend isn't looking so good right now though.... And here's another problem. Incarna shouldn't be considered separate from everything else, because I'm willing to bet you spend at least 5 minutes docked every time you're logged in. Heck. I knew someone that spent hours and hours and hours just sitting in station. That's all she would do. She was also very uptight and ended up in an argument with me. Needless to say, I left that horrible corporation. ;) Also hired a contract killer to tear the corporation apart from within, but now he defends learning skills and bashes the new forums.
This guy considers himself an EVE expert, lecturing everyone on ~how the game should be seen~, and he's never even heard of Burn Eden.
Heh. |
Cassidy Dee
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Meryl for CSM |
Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.09.09 06:37:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote: And here's another problem. Incarna shouldn't be considered separate from everything else, because I'm willing to bet you spend at least 5 minutes docked every time you're logged in.
That's about how long it takes for CQ to load before you can mash the undock butan. |
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Vin Hellsing
58
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Posted - 2011.09.09 06:42:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Mehrdad Kor-Azor wrote:As long as CCP continues to add more spaceship content and fixes, I'd be happy and they can do as much Incarna nonsense as they can possibly fit in their schedule and won't get complaints from me. Spaceships come before spacebarbie though, considering that's where the actual game happens... The current trend isn't looking so good right now though.... And here's another problem. Incarna shouldn't be considered separate from everything else, because I'm willing to bet you spend at least 5 minutes docked every time you're logged in. Heck. I knew someone that spent hours and hours and hours just sitting in station. That's all she would do. She was also very uptight and ended up in an argument with me. Needless to say, I left that horrible corporation. ;) Also hired a contract killer to tear the corporation apart from within, but now he defends learning skills and bashes the new forums. This guy considers himself an EVE expert, lecturing everyone on ~how the game should be seen~, and he's never even heard of Burn Eden. Heh.
I've fought Burn Eden a long time ago, and I don't think they're even relevant today. Why should newer capsuleers even care? |
Rakh Eldan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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I was a big fan of where WiS was going, but the 18 months thing wasn't something I was ecstatic with. So I unsubscribed and came back for Incarna. Nothing of what was promised has been delivered. There is nothing social about Incarna, and considering it took them 18 months to get to this, horribly optimized and unfinished, product, do we now need to wait another 18 months for the next horribly optimized and unfinished aspect of Incarna to be released? I see where they are going with Incarna, but the progress they've made and the priorities they've set are wildy out of touch with the reality of the game.
So for those of you roleplaying, or claiming that Incarna is inherently social, or whatever else you believe it to be. How has it enhanced your enjoyment of the game itself? Not Incarna as it might be a few years down the line, but the one room we have that took 18 months to release. I imagine the Amarr roleplayers are positively buzzing with excitement at the opportunity to recline, all alone, on a couch in a room that is clearly Minmatarr.
If any other major MMO promised something along the lines of Incarna and then delivered what CCP delivered, they'd be crucified, and rightfully so. Claiming it's an ongoing development process and ~cutting CCP some slack~ is silly. The past 4-5 years have been a development process for WiS. The last 18 months were supposed to be crunch time to get everything ready. And then we get Incarna as it is today, at the expense of other aspects of EVE. Big whoop. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
39
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Posted - 2011.09.09 13:10:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote: It's not my problem if you find social interaction boring. Not everyone here is a sociopath.
The other thing is people socialize in eve while they are playing eve.
Its not like people socializing during a mining op are going to say "hey lets dock the barges and sit in a station and talk instead"
Its not like people socializing while doing a roam are going to say "hey lets dock our ships and talk while we look at our avatars drinking a beer instead."
Etc.
Accordingly its not like incarna is going to add very much at all from the social side of things. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Barricade Dark
33
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Posted - 2011.09.09 13:18:00 -
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Quote:I've fought Burn Eden a long time ago, and I don't think they're even relevant today. Why should newer capsuleers even care?
Hmm lets see, the best PvPers in the game. Ya I would call that relevant. Why would new capsuleers care? Because if you want to be a PvPer, that is the best corp in the game to join period. Lets not discount people just because you don't know who they are. Look up their war record and than tell me they are irrelevant. I would join them in a heartbeat if given the chance. |
Barricade Dark
33
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Posted - 2011.09.09 13:24:00 -
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Rakh Eldan wrote:I was a big fan of where WiS was going, but the 18 months thing wasn't something I was ecstatic with. So I unsubscribed and came back for Incarna. Nothing of what was promised has been delivered. There is nothing social about Incarna, and considering it took them 18 months to get to this, horribly optimized and unfinished, product, do we now need to wait another 18 months for the next horribly optimized and unfinished aspect of Incarna to be released? I see where they are going with Incarna, but the progress they've made and the priorities they've set are wildy out of touch with the reality of the game.
So for those of you roleplaying, or claiming that Incarna is inherently social, or whatever else you believe it to be. How has it enhanced your enjoyment of the game itself? Not Incarna as it might be a few years down the line, but the one room we have that took 18 months to release. I imagine the Amarr roleplayers are positively buzzing with excitement at the opportunity to recline, all alone, on a couch in a room that is clearly Minmatarr.
If any other major MMO promised something along the lines of Incarna and then delivered what CCP delivered, they'd be crucified, and rightfully so. Claiming it's an ongoing development process and ~cutting CCP some slack~ is silly. The past 4-5 years have been a development process for WiS. The last 18 months were supposed to be crunch time to get everything ready. And then we get Incarna as it is today, at the expense of other aspects of EVE. Big whoop.
A.. ******* men. Seriously. I find it difficult to grasp how anyone can look at this situation and be like "they are doing a great job, cut them some slack". Its a cluster **** situation and don't get me wrong. I'm rooting for them to get their **** together, but letGÇÖs call a spade a spade here. This expansion is a complete mess and should never have been released in its 10% complete state. I mean I love the avatars, I love incarna as a concept. But for fucks sake if its not done don't release it. I don't understand why the development community has to suddenly pre ejaculate all over us all the time... keep it in the pants until its ready and then give to me big boy! |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
117
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Posted - 2011.09.09 13:25:00 -
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I just threw up a little.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Barricade Dark
33
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Posted - 2011.09.09 13:36:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:I just threw up a little.
Too graphic? Sorry I'm not really American, I have no filter. |
Alpheias
60
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Posted - 2011.09.09 13:49:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Alpheias wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:AnzacPaul wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:
You see, this is the problem with a few people. You see innovation, social interaction and a new aspect as something that you would write off as "barbies." While others do the same thing by calling EVE nothing more than a Spaceship game.
It's insulting, really. I mean, what about the people that spent hours customizing the "vanilla" avatars? Surely, you wouldn't classify them as barbie players.
I think you would find the majority of "capsuleers" would have no problem with both Incarna, and the nex store, had CCP actually continued to develop the FiS aspect of the game, and not use the few resources Eve actually has to introduce the Aurum system which has only 1 purpose, to make quick money. Why do you think we are still waiting on the other CQ? The only reason Gallente CQ was pushed out so fast was because of the next store. This is a valid point, which is why I believe it would be fair to say that both aspects of the game we all play should have equal attention. I mean, I've been waiting for Incarna for a long time. The main reason I argue is because I would hate to see CCP take 2 steps back. I don't think that falling backwards is what needs to be done. Maybe a reallocation of resources, I don't know though, I'm not over their in CCP HQ. I'm not a developer. I am simply a subscriber to a service that I enjoy. So tell me what it is you want from Incarna? Beside strut around in a room with a door. CCP has thrown out a few concept ideas on where they want to go with Incarna, which all sound awesome in theory. But when it comes to CCP's ability to deliver, well, whatever new feature they just released falls flat on its face and stays there until someone at CCP happens to look at a already huge backlog of things they should really fix - years ago. As much as you would hate CCP to take two steps back, I hate that CCP is so utterly convinced that new features sell better than polished features and content that I would rather see CCP take two steps back than three forward. What do I want out of Incarna? Establishments, bars, minigames (poker), maybe a place where listeners of EVE Radio can actually meet up in person. Although the first iteration is only a room with a clothing store, you do realize that there is more coming, right? I see people make this statement, "Oh well, Incarna is a just a room bla bla bla!" It's part 1 of an "ongoing" expansion. A little lacking on the feature side? Yes, absolutely. Totally cool anyway? Yes! Instead of staring at brown covered in brown with a brown ship in the middle, I can sit down on my couch and search the market, make buy orders or view my planetary stuff. Then again, I've always had a bit of an RP side.
Still hopeful after only a few years? It will pass, don't you worry.
GÖ½ When your ship gets blown to bits GÖ½ And you lose your Faction fits \Gÿ+/ Don't worry GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ½ GÖ¬ GÖ½ GÖ¬ Be Happy \Gÿ+/ |
Eskalin
Evolution The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.09 14:03:00 -
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mittens is right on this. saying the guy is a d-bag doesn't make him less correct
If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
33
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DurrHurrDurr wrote:[quote=Meryl SinGarda] People never vote for the CSM. Many, many EVE players aren't even aware of the existence of the CSM. However, the general outcry against poor balance in many areas of the game would speak to El Digin's statement.
Mittani's position on the CSM has nothing to do with the "power" conveyed by that position since there isn't any power at all. It has no authority. I could get elected to the CSM and be the chair or whatnot but what would that accomplish? Nothing.
Mittani is drawing from metagaming and the fact that, for whatever reason (*cough* money *cough*), he has influence in Goon. The 'power' that is being brought to bear is due to Goon's metagaming. It has nothing to do with the CSM. And so, participation is irrelevant.
Anyone stating anything to the contrary is deluding themselves that the CSM matter in anyway unless the people holding those positions already have influence via other means. This is true of all political systems based on *laugh* democratic principles. So, those that say if you don't vote you don't have a voice, they're deluding themselves. I could have voted. Hell I could have voted for Mittani. What voice would I have? None. I'm not a Goon. Even the lemmings within Goon don't have a voice. They just help enable those whose voice drowns out the rest.
I'm not anti-Mittani. I just don't fool myself into believing this is anything but Goons pushing forward Goon agenda in the guise of player agenda wrapped in *laugh* democracy. Meh, if it benefits the game, great. But, it'll benefit Goons more ;) We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
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