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Schultze Caldari 0rigins	Posted - 2008.05.10 16:13:00 - [1] I remember a time when the scorpion was a good ship. But I get the impression that it has lost alot of its apeal to many. What is the reason, I mean why don't we see so many scorpions around any more? Is it mainly a gang ship, and what are it's weakneses?
Helpdesk Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.05.10 16:28:00 - [2] Originally by: Schultze Is it mainly a gang ship, and what are it's weakneses? Yes, it's definately a gang-ship (though a few people solo in it). It's not so much that the ship itself is weak, but the Rook and Falcon easily outperform it. With Recon ships lvl 4 you have more jamstrength than an equally setup Scorpion with Battleships lvl 5 (assuming same amount of signal str. mods/rigs - which the Scorp can field more off, but due to stackingpenalties, the differences will be marginal). The Rook and Falcon have better lockingtimes, locking range, higher sensor strength to prevent getting jammed themselves, are much more agile and the falcon has of course it's extreme advantage of being able to warp cloaked, whereas the Rook can target more ships. This is of course at the cost of having a lower buffer compared to the Scorpion. Also DPS on the Scorpion is higher, but is generally not considered to be useful enough to prefer it over either Recon. The Rook actually can have decent DPS as well, but again, most people prefer the ability to warp cloaked and choose the Falcon. Hope that explains why you don't see many of them around anymore.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.10 17:12:00 - [3] It is a good ship. It's just a one trick pony. And like all one trick ponys, when you find a horse that does the same trick, better, it gets left behind. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.10 17:37:00 - [4] Imho it just doesn't nano well enough to compete with the Recons. When nano is not required, it is a perfectly fine ship. You want ME for the CSM! There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.10 17:49:00 - [5] It cant cloak.
Schultze Caldari 0rigins	Posted - 2008.05.10 18:03:00 - [6] I was hoping to solo a bit in the ship or is that just insane ?
Miranda Ceres	Posted - 2008.05.10 19:40:00 - [7] Very useful ship considering you can fully insure it excluding the cost of fittings. If you have the spare cash though, the falcon and rook make a better choice if you're roaming.
Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.10 20:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Schultze I was hoping to solo a bit in the ship or is that just insane ? Why solo in a battleship?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.10 20:12:00 - [9] Edited by: DubanFP on 10/05/2008 20:12:51 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Schultze I was hoping to solo a bit in the ship or is that just insane ? Why solo in a battleship? This. The scorp is an EXCELLENT gang ship, but it's definately not one to be used solo. Most Ewar ships aren't particularly good solo. _______________ ReiAyanami> We bring you tidings of AARRRRRRRRR
Gunstar Zero Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.10 20:23:00 - [10] what the others have said + it tends to get called primary, has little chance of escaping and is thus unpopular to fly.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.10 20:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Gunstar Zero what the others have said + it tends to get called primary, has little chance of escaping and is thus unpopular to fly. They always primary the poor little scorpion pilot :( But look at it this way - consider it a compliment from those who are primarying you, that your a very deadly mofo and you will and must die immediatly. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.05.10 21:01:00 - [12] It's just a Black Bird with more meat on it. _____________________________ OMG I GOT A KILL GUYZ!!?>!>
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.10 21:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Amastat Originally by: Gunstar Zero what the others have said + it tends to get called primary, has little chance of escaping and is thus unpopular to fly. They always primary the poor little scorpion pilot :( But look at it this way - consider it a compliment from those who are primarying you, that your a very deadly mofo and you will and must die immediatly. More like you're irritating and probably have no tank. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.05.10 22:23:00 - [14] No one flies it because no one flies it, so the one scorp in the fleet of 50 dies before he can jam anything 98% of the time.
Cornette Gallente Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.05.10 22:49:00 - [15] I've seen a few scorps in hostile gangs. They usually die first. Even when they spread their ECM around we often take them out quickly enough to negate their jamming. It also helps to fit a ECCM to your ship. I been jammed a few times but I could break it quickly by overloading the ECCM, then start firing again. Solo they are worthless. In a fleet they die so fast the pilot could have saved himself the trouble of bringing it there. Small to medium gangs, maybe.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.11 03:35:00 - [16] Dont be silly. Everyone knows you fit an insane buffer on a scorpion, just so you can laugh at people when they primary you. Say, 7x LSE II, invuln 3x PDU, DC 3x extender rigs... Something like 60k plus shields.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.05.11 04:19:00 - [17] Umm, it's on the market? Miz Stelth Bomerz iz the ****nit.
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.05.11 05:18:00 - [18] With full insurance and many EW mod slots its a great ship to learn Caldari EW on. I'll swap to falcon at some point, but Scorps can be fit relatively cheap and make great fleet ships in numbers or smaller gangs where heavier ships are present. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Pan Zhu'Liang Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.11 06:15:00 - [19] i never really got why people don't want to tank scorpions. you know you'll be primaried, so why not fit to survive long enough to actually keep things jammed? sure it cuts down on your effectiveness as a jammer, but so does being dead.
Spaztick	Posted - 2008.05.11 07:36:00 - [20] Scorpions make excellent tanks. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Teh Pirate	Posted - 2008.05.11 07:49:00 - [21] Edited by: Teh Pirate on 11/05/2008 07:49:24 3 armor plates and DCU II in lows and... REMOTE ARMOR REPS! omfgliekGenius! Also armor maintenance drones work too :)
Siddy Minmatar Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.11 07:55:00 - [22] The current ECM system favors bonuses. Scorpion bonuses as ECM ship, are medicore. A recon will do the same job, beter. To fix scorpion, ECM modules need far more cap consumption to justify battleship as ECM platfrom. So scorpion culd realy shine in prolonget engadements. Scorpion is Heavy ECM platform, but it got nothing "heavy" abaut it. If we culd have some sort ECM buffing modules, that whuld increas cap consumption as a draw back. This whuld open scorion as a viable ECM ship once again.
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.11 08:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Lance Fighter Dont be silly. Everyone knows you fit an insane buffer on a scorpion, just so you can laugh at people when they primary you. Say, 7x LSE II, invuln 3x PDU, DC 3x extender rigs... Something like 60k plus shields. Yes but that defies the point of using it for its intended role...an ew ship. _______ Oh Mindy...
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.11 11:30:00 - [24] Nanos happened to the scorpion along with most other battleships in small-med gangs. The scorpion still has a place in fleet blobs where the rook/falcon will insta pop since it can have enough of a buffer. Full insurance payout doesn't hurt here as well.
Ipos	Posted - 2008.05.11 11:56:00 - [25] I've never really flown the thing but it doesn't look like a bad solo boat to me. I've never liked ECW much since they changed it, it's too unreliable for my tastes and it's tiresome to come up with a new name for a ship after every gang encounter. Instead I thought I'd toss you an oddball... What about a tackling torp scorp? With its excess midslots you can easily fit a tackling kit and enough tank to last you a while, with the torp changes and drones it dishes out 5-600 dps at >15km range which is enough for most things in its price range. Sure nano's are a pain but you could always fit heavy neuts (possibly a nos too?). It's no Mega but it costs half as much (if not less) and few would see it coming, sure it may not live very long but at least it would go down guns blazing '300'-style. - The oddball is out in the ballpark, play with me it says!
adriaans Amarr Ascendant Immortalis	Posted - 2008.05.11 14:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Angela Toren Originally by: Lance Fighter Dont be silly. Everyone knows you fit an insane buffer on a scorpion, just so you can laugh at people when they primary you. Say, 7x LSE II, invuln 3x PDU, DC 3x extender rigs... Something like 60k plus shields. Yes but that defies the point of using it for its intended role...an ew ship. conception is part of warfare ;) that said, i like the ship, much cheaper to loose than recons -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.11 14:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Amastat Originally by: Gunstar Zero what the others have said + it tends to get called primary, has little chance of escaping and is thus unpopular to fly. They always primary the poor little scorpion pilot :( But look at it this way - consider it a compliment from those who are primarying you, that your a very deadly mofo and you will and must die immediatly. No it's more the fact that ECM ships are very good at turning the tide of a battle, so you wanna get rid of them asap.
Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.11 14:47:00 - [28] Originally by: Hanneshannes Originally by: Amastat Originally by: Gunstar Zero what the others have said + it tends to get called primary, has little chance of escaping and is thus unpopular to fly. They always primary the poor little scorpion pilot :( But look at it this way - consider it a compliment from those who are primarying you, that your a very deadly mofo and you will and must die immediatly. No it's more the fact that ECM ships are very good at turning the tide of a battle, so you wanna get rid of them asap. "a very deadly mofo and you will and must die immediatly" = "very good at turning the tide of a battle, so you wanna get rid of them asap"
Nariana Verex Amarr Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.14 20:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Siddy The current ECM system favors bonuses. Scorpion bonuses as ECM ship, are medicore. A recon will do the same job, beter. To fix scorpion, ECM modules need far more cap consumption to justify battleship as ECM platfrom. So scorpion culd realy shine in prolonget engadements. Scorpion is Heavy ECM platform, but it got nothing "heavy" abaut it. If we culd have some sort ECM buffing modules, that whuld increas cap consumption as a draw back. This whuld open scorion as a viable ECM ship once again. Why not give it a role bonus to make its ECM a little more unique? There are plenty of ideas that come to mind, such as increasing cap use on ECM modules, and increasing the strength, duration [Either increasing the jam length or decreasing cycle so one module could, theoretically, jam two targets for the overlapping few seconds], or anything else. Hell, maybe even let it use a mini version of the Remote ECM Burst, or a boost to regular ECM Burst modules. I don't know. :( Do the right thing. Don't leave shuttles in space.
Noelle Fay RIMTECH NOVA GOTISCHES IMPERIUM	Posted - 2008.05.14 20:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Schultze I remember a time when the scorpion was a good ship. But I get the impression that it has lost alot of its apeal to many. What is the reason, I mean why don't we see so many scorpions around any more? Is it mainly a gang ship, and what are it's weakneses? I think somehow the Caldari lost the blueprint for one of the scorpion wings so yeah.. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke.

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