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Han Kautsu Merciless Onslaught	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:38:00 - [31] Quote: mine veldspar until out eyes bleed
William Alex Viscosity space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:48:00 - [32] To summerize the OP: I'm not getting any kills because the noobs I wardec see me coming. Sorry if I have no pity on you.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:53:00 - [33] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 15/05/2008 12:54:21 Originally by: FadedSoul we are mercs we fight whoever we are payed to fight... does anybody understand that no? if we are hired to kill miners for some reason we will fight them same goes if we are hired to fight a large pvp corp it has no different just the contract may differ then if you should work more to find your target ask more from whoever hired you. Originally by: William Alex To summerize the OP: I'm not getting any kills because the noobs I wardec see me coming. Sorry if I have no pity on you.
Victor Forge Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:01:00 - [34] Originally by: elven serpent If you were to remove local you remove almost all interactivity within eve. Carebear heaven.... eve is like a delicate eco-system - pvpers provide a market and carebears have their place producing stuff for the pvp`er.. upset that balance and it all goes wrong.. Think how much veld you`d have in your hanger - it`d be worthless.. HAHAHAHA! Seriously? Removing local = carebear heaven? I can¦t belive you said that. And I thought Op was the one that was confused. I did say that boosted Gateguns was needed to move the ganking from the Gates to the belts. Thus allowing players to always be able to enter low-sec systems (doing missions and mining will be tricky as always though). As it is now we have no reason to enter low-sec if there is a gatecamp blocking the way. Replace local-chat with a region-chat and it can¦t be used for intel and it will still be used for interactivity. I think you underestimate how much 0.0 corps produce to cover their war losses and you underestimate the need of missionrunners in high-sec as well. Pirates greatest contribution to EvE online isn¦t providing a market for Veldspar. No, their contribution is to making low-sec an empty wasteland. And it is empty because the "delicate balance" between risk-reward is messed up completly there. ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwaMHJzruDU&feature=related
Una D Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:06:00 - [35] Originally by: FadedSoul Originally by: Una D Originally by: elven serpent I`m not talking about piracy - i`m talking about empire war. no local and its like searching for a needle in a haystack, hell why not gimp the buddy list so we can`t tell if you are even online, then everyone will just be flying around blindly hoping to bump into/avoid a wartarget.. LEAVE LOCAL AS IT IS - ITS NOT BROKEN AND BAN BACON/BACON USERS Why not war decc a PvP corp if you are so nber? As you are both PvP I'm sure you will play fair and have a lot of fun combat... What you want is easy targets so at least be honest enough and admit it. Like the low sec pirates whining about lack of haulers doing AFK flying full of officer gear... we are mercs we fight whoever we are payed to fight... does anybody understand that no? if we are hired to kill miners for some reason we will fight them same goes if we are hired to fight a large pvp corp it has no different just the contract may differ Ah the classic I'm not the one responsible here. Be a merc and accept only contracts against PvP corps. But I guess that would be hard. We've had quite a few war deccs that were by "mercs". Strange how they whined to no end (one even said he would petitions us too CCP for ganging up on him) when we fought back... Yea mercs. MC were mercs (during the good old days) you are just pathetic whiner. BTW don't you think that forcing your target to stay docked is quite bad for their game? Hard to produce if you can't get minerals, hard to do missions if you can't undock and so on. It's not only about padding your KB.
Thenoran Caldari Knights of MADD Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:11:00 - [36] Not another one wining about people not going to face some big bad pirate or merc gang in his Retriever... I wouldn't need such a program, if I was mining during a war-dec I'd keep a hawk's eye on local constantly, have the ship warp aligned and ready to go. So you can't kill your target, boohoo...they can't do anything in their station either while you are camping the sytem Yeh I myself could fight, but generally what mercs bring along will beat my Blasterokh. Why is it when someone who isn't some 'hardcore PvP' and decides not to fight, that suddenly the rules of universe have to change just so you can kill them more easily? ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Muon Quark	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:27:00 - [37] Bacon and several other apps like it were developed by and for 0.0 alliances, not carebears :p Some alliances like the strange insect alliance I will not name have the app connected to their own central server so they can get warnings from multiple ships at the same time. An alliance or large corp using this can sit alts out 5-10 jumps away down the traffic pipes and see anything heading towards their space with it. Think of them as automated sentries. Besides that far in the future, don't you think the AI's and robotic ships and such would actually be more advanced than they actually are in Eve? Maybe they should just make an anchorable module that does the same thing but requires care and feeding like a POS? I repeat, this is not a carebear app it is alliance defensive pvp app.
FadedSoul	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Thenoran Not another one wining about people not going to face some big bad pirate or merc gang in his Retriever... I wouldn't need such a program, if I was mining during a war-dec I'd keep a hawk's eye on local constantly, have the ship warp aligned and ready to go. So you can't kill your target, boohoo...they can't do anything in their station either while you are camping the sytem Yeh I myself could fight, but generally what mercs bring along will beat my Blasterokh. Why is it when someone who isn't some 'hardcore PvP' and decides not to fight, that suddenly the rules of universe have to change just so you can kill them more easily? we are currently in a war with 2 corps that both have t2 bc's lots of bs's they outnumber us 10 to 1 but when we enter system they hide yes it spoils thee game but its boring to hell lol we are just talking about this program that tell you when a war target enters system so they can hide nothing more nothing less we can pvp we have fought pvp corps, i dont see why people mistake this thread thinking we are miner killers? (pirates)
elven serpent	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:51:00 - [39] ok. this is going off topic now - obvoisly you all condone the non pvp enviroment so why not go play something else rather than ruin eve for those who want to pvp. and yes i mean against other pvp`er too. Honestly you try to raise a relevant topic and get swamped with ******** comments from people who find staring at a rock interesting.. It`s not about what your target is - it`s about there being too many tools to avoid pvp. next step maybe you`ll have to ask b4 u fight like other(inferior) mmo`s... guess some of you would like to see that day,personaly i think thats pathetic.
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:53:00 - [40] Boohoo miner saw me in local and docked, boohoo. Poor you, want a cookie now? Fight real opponents if you want to fight, instead of ganking easy targets. Better staring at rock than living under rock. And stop blaming bacon for your own incompetence.
elven serpent	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:58:00 - [41] furb - don`t you have veld to mine? or are u doing that now hence the incoherent jabber.. watch tha nasty orethives dont come ... boo hoo indeed matey - so congaratz again - thrown the thread off topic - may as well close this 1 now too
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:00:00 - [42] Intresting how you come to the conclusion i am a miner.
Una D Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:15:00 - [43] Originally by: FadedSoul Originally by: Thenoran Not another one wining about people not going to face some big bad pirate or merc gang in his Retriever... I wouldn't need such a program, if I was mining during a war-dec I'd keep a hawk's eye on local constantly, have the ship warp aligned and ready to go. So you can't kill your target, boohoo...they can't do anything in their station either while you are camping the sytem Yeh I myself could fight, but generally what mercs bring along will beat my Blasterokh. Why is it when someone who isn't some 'hardcore PvP' and decides not to fight, that suddenly the rules of universe have to change just so you can kill them more easily? we are currently in a war with 2 corps that both have t2 bc's lots of bs's they outnumber us 10 to 1 but when we enter system they hide yes it spoils thee game but its boring to hell lol we are just talking about this program that tell you when a war target enters system so they can hide nothing more nothing less we can pvp we have fought pvp corps, i dont see why people mistake this thread thinking we are miner killers? (pirates) So before bacon everyone was just happily undocking and getting ganked by your oh so skillful gang? Bacon doesn't provide any extra intel and is thus just different representation of the same old local. I don't use bacon since eve is crappy piece of programing even without the log server runing but watching local or listening for the sounds is more or less the same. You have to be there and pay attention.
FadedSoul	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Una D Originally by: FadedSoul Originally by: Thenoran Not another one wining about people not going to face some big bad pirate or merc gang in his Retriever... I wouldn't need such a program, if I was mining during a war-dec I'd keep a hawk's eye on local constantly, have the ship warp aligned and ready to go. So you can't kill your target, boohoo...they can't do anything in their station either while you are camping the sytem Yeh I myself could fight, but generally what mercs bring along will beat my Blasterokh. Why is it when someone who isn't some 'hardcore PvP' and decides not to fight, that suddenly the rules of universe have to change just so you can kill them more easily? we are currently in a war with 2 corps that both have t2 bc's lots of bs's they outnumber us 10 to 1 but when we enter system they hide yes it spoils thee game but its boring to hell lol we are just talking about this program that tell you when a war target enters system so they can hide nothing more nothing less we can pvp we have fought pvp corps, i dont see why people mistake this thread thinking we are miner killers? (pirates) So before bacon everyone was just happily undocking and getting ganked by your oh so skillful gang? Bacon doesn't provide any extra intel and is thus just different representation of the same old local. I don't use bacon since eve is crappy piece of programing even without the log server runing but watching local or listening for the sounds is more or less the same. You have to be there and pay attention. oh so skillful how? lol no more flaming im done heh. thanks all for the decent posts didint mean for a flame fest but i guess the kids an geeks need something to do when the ****o finishes
Victor Forge Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:25:00 - [45] Originally by: FadedSoul we are currently in a war with 2 corps that both have t2 bc's lots of bs's they outnumber us 10 to 1 but when we enter system they hide yes it spoils thee game but its boring to hell lol we are just talking about this program that tell you when a war target enters system so they can hide nothing more nothing less we can pvp we have fought pvp corps, i dont see why people mistake this thread thinking we are miner killers? (pirates) It might have something to do with the name of this topic you know: "Carebears are having it too easy". And it looks like you agree with that. Carebears = people not doing pvp. Or is it you that are off-topic? ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwaMHJzruDU&feature=related
elven serpent	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:33:00 - [46] In my opinion carebear defines someone who avoids pvp scenarios at all cost. not nescesarily miners(indeed i dont blame miners as they lack the relavant skills) Just to clarify the context of this thread... hopefully this will not confuse certain individuals who clearly do fall into this category.. It`s not just about bacon there are other ways life is too eay for the carebear.. too many stations to hide in for 1 - why does 1 system need 17 stations? There are many things within eve wich i believe make it too easy to avoid combat should you be inclined. the purpose of this thread is to explore and discuss these in a sensible fashion. BACON being the main bugbear. shame many people seem incapable of this Hopefully it will get back to topic and less flaming
Victor Forge Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:54:00 - [47] Originally by: elven serpent In my opinion carebear defines someone who avoids pvp scenarios at all cost. not nescesarily miners(indeed i dont blame miners as they lack the relavant skills) Just to clarify the context of this thread... hopefully this will not confuse certain individuals who clearly do fall into this category.. It`s not just about bacon there are other ways life is too eay for the carebear.. too many stations to hide in for 1 - why does 1 system need 17 stations? There are many things within eve wich i believe make it too easy to avoid combat should you be inclined. the purpose of this thread is to explore and discuss these in a sensible fashion. BACON being the main bugbear. shame many people seem incapable of this Hopefully it will get back to topic and less flaming 1. "carebear defines someone who avoids pvp scenarios at all cost". Such players will avoid pvp scenarios by being in NPC corps and simply can¦t be wardecced. BACON is no use for them at all, the only thing they have to worry about is suicide ganking. 2. If "Carebears are having it too easy" in EvE why do YOU think low-sec is so empty if the game is favouring carebears so much? ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwaMHJzruDU&feature=related
Iomar Uisdean Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:05:00 - [48] Ah.... the classic "discussion" I want a "Snuff all carebears within 1000 AU" button vs. I want "Bubble of invincibility", mean people suck.... I wouldn't mind seeing some discussions, maybe even some off the wall ideas, that don't involve just crappy dumb gankbears whining about crappy dumb carebears (and the reverse). Local, as an intel tool, is crappy and dumb. It frankly doesn't do much for any of the intelligent players, whether they seek player combat or seek to avoid being on the losing side of player combat. No matter what (if anything) happens to Local, Crappy Dumb Carebears are still going to get themselves ganked and they're going to whine about it; and Crappy Dumb Gankbears are going to whine because there feel there aren't enough Crappy Dumb Carebears to gank and they can't ever seem to catch anyone else. So lets just ignore that segment of the player populace and come up with some intelligent ideas for balanced tools that would help intelligent players.
Modrak Vseth Veto.	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:06:00 - [49] Originally by: FadedSoul nice to know your keeping a decent post going fact is these people have it easy and why just not play eve if they dont like pvp as it is a pvp orientated game is it not? we are mercs we fight the good with the bad your a prer apponent? actually putting te name of the program good stuff your clever m8 an i couldnt find a thread on it sorry thats why a new one was formed Would you please stop with the double posting with your alt, it's obvious and it's really annoying. We've read the opinions and arguments about Bacon and local and so on and you really aren't adding anything new so just give up.
Kolwrath Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:10:00 - [50] To the OP: BACON is a pvp tool created by a certain Alliance BUZZING around 0.0 space. I repeat: its a pvp tool. This has been stated many times in your thread. Originally by: Chaos Space Marines Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
elven serpent	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:11:00 - [51] In answer to that - #1 Not all carebears stay in npc corp. there are 1000`s of corps full of them out there. #2 since they avoid all possible threats they dont try to goto lowsec, since it`s much simpler to live in empire and avoid most combat, thats why lowsec is empty. The carebear is too afraid to try to stake a claim to it.. tho i have known of carebear corps who strike up relations with pvp corps and co-exist in lowsec but sadly this is doesnt seem to happen much
elven serpent	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:16:00 - [52] LOL faded isnt my alt , if he was i`d be running 3 accounts in pvp + a scout that would make me somekinda eve freak.. double boxing is laggy enough thanks
Balen Organa Caldari	Posted - 2008.05.15 18:55:00 - [53] Edited by: Balen Organa on 15/05/2008 19:02:25 Call it whatever you want, but not everyone wants to PVP in this game. Let the PVE people play and let the PVP kill themselves. The two dont mix so dont worry about them. I am also not sure why it bothers you. If all I want to do is mine, build and do the occasional mission, why should you or anyone care?
Thenoran Caldari Knights of MADD Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.15 19:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Balen Organa Call it whatever you want, but not everyone wants to PVP in this game. Let the PVE people play and let the PVP kill themselves. The two dont mix so dont worry about them. I am also not sure why it bothers you. If all I want to do is mine, build and do the occasional mission, why should you ro anyone care? Because there are some players that are, for whatever reason, determined to force PvP onto PvE minded players. I myself mostly mine, manufacture lots of stuff, do the occasional missions and if I feel like it or I'm needed, go to low-sec with my friends and kill some real pirates or whatever is in the way. To me, a bunch of so-called 'hardcore PvP' players war-deccing a corp of PvE'ers who have little to no chance of fighting back, sounds like some sort of PvP-carebear, being afraid of an actual fight (low-sec and 0.0 too tough for you?) and potentially losing their ships. (mercs may be excepted from that, but why hire a merc corp against a bunch of miners in the first place?) ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.05.15 19:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Una D Why not war decc a PvP corp if you are so nber? As you are both PvP I'm sure you will play fair and have a lot of fun combat... What you want is easy targets so at least be honest enough and admit it. What you want is easy ISK and never to have to put any thought whatsoever to your own safety, so at least be honest enough and admit it. It goes both ways. ...
Una D Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2008.05.15 19:52:00 - [56] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Una D Why not war decc a PvP corp if you are so nber? As you are both PvP I'm sure you will play fair and have a lot of fun combat... What you want is easy targets so at least be honest enough and admit it. What you want is easy ISK and never to have to put any thought whatsoever to your own safety, so at least be honest enough and admit it. It goes both ways. What I want is afun game. Being a target for some self proclaimed (lying) merc is hardly fun and I'll either gang up on them with my corp mates or if we think that we have no chance than just dock and wait until they get tired of it. My life doesn't revolve around EVE. How is ganking a miner or a missioning ship in any way risk? So we can agree that everybody (including 99% of 0.0 folks) is doing their best to minimise the risk. Strange how that works ha?
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Una D How is ganking a miner or a missioning ship in any way risk? Not heard of, um, bait? I found a Hulk by itself in a belt yesterday, in 0.0. I warped to it in my Drake, but alas he had already warped off. Next thing I know a Rapier decloaks and 5 Fighters appear around it. If I hadn't been out of warp scram range I wouldn't have the slightest chance of escape. ...
ExcellciuM Caldari The New Order. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:34:00 - [58] What a bad thread, here let me help: My Raven was equipped with the following: HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:48:00 - [59] Hey douche cannon, did it ever occur to you that Carebears aren't the only ones that could possibly benefit from this? I'd wager that the average "carebear" is much, much less likely to install an audio-warning program than the average griefer, high sec ganker or extortionist. Sure would make hunting down specific targets in busy systems a hell of a lot easier! But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.

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