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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:17:00 -
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It recently came to my attention that there is now a program out there wich i do not wish to name for obvoius reasons, wich allows an audible warning to be heard whenever a war-target enters system... why has this been allowed?
Over the last few weeks as this program has gained popularity it has been clearly reflected in our killboard stats - with kills on wartargets dropping by upto 90% in some cases.. ccp what are you playing at - why not just scrap the wardec system and we`ll all have to go mine veldspar until out eyes bleed.
In my opinion this program is a serious problem and unbalances the whole game.. also it`s quite possible that it could be used in conjunction with macro`s - thus alowing the plauge of macro mining to go unchecked once again.
As a merc corp this hits our business hard and makes us work 1000% harder for every kill.. wich considering most targets hide in systems with 6 gates and 20 odd stations(too many imo) is already hard enough...
Anyone with me on this???? 
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Tharukan Desm'ar
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:19:00 -
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Paragraph's are your friend.
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Dictum Factum
Gemini Sun
Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:20:00 -
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FadedSoul
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:22:00 -
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I believe its because the carebears are the majority of players that pay while us pvpers who are the minority suffer,
i read on a different post carebears are people that mine/ mission run and try to avoid pvp when they can and this program has just done that.
i got an idea why not give all the carebears a polaris ship wth 8 high slots for mining lasers so they got 99.9% resists and can go 2.5k so us pvpers are truely screwed.
what do other peeps think about this an remember do not post the name of this program as it will make you hated by the world of eve :P
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:24:00 -
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therell allways be programs or 'game hacks' out there, that will give an unfair advantage to thoose who use them - at the risk of being caught and loosing their account.
rest assured, that with your post you possible drove a few hundret people to google now searching for the programm you described. not really in your interest, is it ?
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:27:00 -
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Oh please I dont need the smart comments or puntcuation police.. (new paragraph)+ i have a broken arm atm so typing sucks afraid
A sensible discussion would be nice, I`m sure enough of them already have it anyhow and those intent on avoiding pvp will dig it out of their own accord soon enough.
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:33:00 -
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a 'sensible' discussion about gamehacks in the eve-o forums. tehe, good luck :P
sorry, i was not intending to troll.
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Mr fRostiE
Minmatar
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:39:00 -
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i dont think the program is good for eve... i didnt know about it before this post tho, and it took me around 15 seconds to find it.
hopefully your post wont be counter productive, as i rather like shooting other people :)
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:40:00 -
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 Originally by: elven serpent
A sensible discussion would be nice.
If you trawl back to when this happened (or search for the program name using eve-search.com), you'll find lots of discussions. Some of them were even occasionally sensible.
Bottom line: Some people like it, some people don't. CCP (or a senior GM, at least) stated that, while it didn't break the EULA, its use was "frowned upon". They're planning to modify/break/botch the log server so that this sort of thing can't be done in future.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/05/2008 11:42:31
How is life under the rock you came from?
Everyone who uses bacon is carebear, everyone who says bacon should be banned is carebear, everyone who likes pie is carebear and bin laden is a carebear. How about your just blame your own incompetence instead of just whining on the forums at the carebears.
(yeah i do both carebearing for isks and peew peew for fun, that makes me according to some a carebear, others say i am a traitor while others say i am a zombie since solo pvp is dead).
Edit: bacon sucks, CCP probably makes sure it cant work soon (TM). And try finding real opponents instead of ratters.
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FadedSoul
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/05/2008 11:42:31
How is life under the rock you came from?
Everyone who uses bacon is carebear, everyone who says bacon should be banned is carebear, everyone who likes pie is carebear and bin laden is a carebear. How about your just blame your own incompetence instead of just whining on the forums at the carebears.
(yeah i do both carebearing for isks and peew peew for fun, that makes me according to some a carebear, others say i am a traitor while others say i am a zombie since solo pvp is dead).
Edit: bacon sucks, CCP probably makes sure it cant work soon (TM). And try finding real opponents instead of ratters.
nice to know your keeping a decent post going fact is these people have it easy and why just not play eve if they dont like pvp as it is a pvp orientated game is it not?
an i couldnt find a thread on it sorry thats why a new one was formed
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 15/05/2008 11:48:13
There's already a 34 page flamefest on the topic, including dev and gm answers to your questions. Oh, and it was developed as a PvP tool – not for carebearing.
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:48:00 -
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Furb.. have you been smoking something, that post was bizzare to say the least..
However if you are aware of what mercs do,yes it does involve killing carebears sometimes.. sometimes we do it for fun.. sometimes we even get a real corp and they fight us(wich makes us happy)
And gratz you win the prize for possibly the dumbest post in this thread..
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:49:00 -
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thanks tippa
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:52:00 -
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I only now noticed that the original thread was locked (which should be no suprise, I guess) – sorry about that — so there is some merit in having a new one….
Still, the topic has been debated to death fifty times over by now.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:54:00 -
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The only thing larger than my stupidity is your lack of search skills.
Awww now i named the program. Shall i just list them all so we have had that?
BACON
SAUCE
CHIPS
EGGS
BREKFAST
Now what is the entire point of this topic? CCP will remove its ability to function soon (TM), everyone and their mother in law know it sucks and only morons use it, and now everyone also know you live under a rock.
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Ghan Tylous
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Posted - 2008.05.15 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ghan Tylous on 15/05/2008 11:56:53
Imagine, carebears being the blood and the pvp'ers the body. Now if you remove the blood the body will die.
Carebears runs missions, mine ice in empire, mine in empire, they reprocess their loot. ore, ice and sell them to industrialists on the market, which then make ammo, fitting moduls, ships, you name it. The pvp'ers/missionsrunners buy those things.
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It have always fallen to a few to sacrifice for the good of many
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Lag Hon
Minmatar
Lag Hon Security
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:03:00 -
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If you were supposed to get an audiable warning when a wartarget/victim/giantpinkrabbit entered the system wouldnt CCP have added it as a game feature. As they havent I dont believe it should be allowed
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand.
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Victor Forge
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:10:00 -
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You are a really confused person.
The program you are talking about is for playercorps that are at war. Carebears prefer not to be wardecced at all and stay in NPC-corps.
That program is connected to the issue with local-chat. And as a carebear I do agree that local-chat must be removed. It makes it way to easy for pirates to spot easy targets to shoot down. But I do hope CCP in the same time boosts low-sec Gateguns and thus makes it possible to always enter low-sec.
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FadedSoul
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: FadedSoul on 15/05/2008 12:16:07
Originally by: Ghan Tylous
Edited by: Ghan Tylous on 15/05/2008 11:57:53
Edited by: Ghan Tylous on 15/05/2008 11:56:53
Imagine, carebears being the blood and the pvp'ers the body. Now if you remove the blood the body will die.
Carebears runs missions, mine ice in empire, mine in empire, they reprocess their loot. ore, ice and sell them to industrialists on the market, which then make ammo, fitting moduls, ships, you name it. The pvp'ers/missionsrunners buy those things.
You wardec those industrial/mission running corps, they don't have it easy. You make it hard for them to produce what you need.
if they isnt any pvp they isnt a market for the ships modules ammo? so with this program only 0.0 people who can make there own stuff need combat ships lol the people that use this program dont understand how much there destroying there own market.
and local shouldnt be removed
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:15:00 -
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Btw, i am personally also in favour of making local chat less effective intel tool. It will hurt the non-pvp'ers probably more then the pvp'ers. But it is nice if you can do something about certain gatecamps, when they know just run when they see that a group with same size as their group enters local.
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:16:00 -
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If you were to remove local you remove almost all interactivity within eve.
Carebear heaven.... eve is like a delicate eco-system - pvpers provide a market and carebears have their place producing stuff for the pvp`er.. upset that balance and it all goes wrong..
Think how much veld you`d have in your hanger - it`d be worthless..
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/05/2008 12:23:45
Edited by: Furb Killer on 15/05/2008 12:23:28
And this is exactly what i meant. Those who wish to boost local (bacon is just a boost to local as intel channel), are being called carebears here. If you want to nerf local as intel channel, you are also a carebear.
FFS, MAKE UP YOUR FREAKING MIND.
Nerfing local as intel channel means ratters cant see pirates coming. One button on ship scanner (which should imo also be changed when local is changed), tells pirate which ships there are close. A few warps and you can cover any solar system totally. Sure the ratter can keep pressing the scan button, but he also got all the other neutrals on his scan that are just mission running/ratting too. The pirate doesnt care who he sees on scanner, they are all targets.
'Pirates'/'pvpers' who say they cant pvp without local, just plain suck imo and are afraid for real opponents.
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Victor Forge
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: FadedSoul
Edited by: FadedSoul on 15/05/2008 12:16:07
if they isnt any pvp they isnt a market for the ships modules ammo? so with this program only 0.0 people who can make there own stuff need combat ships lol the people that use this program dont understand how much there destroying there own market.
and local shouldnt be removed
Why shouldnŠt local be removed?
What BACON does is just making it easier for wardecced player corps that are not paying attention to local-chat. Funny that you in the same time both hate BACON and love local-chat when local-chat is the big issue here.
And players in NPC-corps couldnŠt care less about BACON. And even without any war at all, players use combat-ship and ammo for doing missions.
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:26:00 -
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I`m not talking about piracy - i`m talking about empire war. no local and its like searching for a needle in a haystack, hell why not gimp the buddy list so we can`t tell if you are even online, then everyone will just be flying around blindly hoping to bump into/avoid a wartarget..
LEAVE LOCAL AS IT IS - ITS NOT BROKEN AND BAN BACON/BACON USERS
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FadedSoul
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Forge
Originally by: FadedSoul
Edited by: FadedSoul on 15/05/2008 12:16:07
if they isnt any pvp they isnt a market for the ships modules ammo? so with this program only 0.0 people who can make there own stuff need combat ships lol the people that use this program dont understand how much there destroying there own market.
and local shouldnt be removed
Why shouldnŠt local be removed?
What BACON does is just making it easier for wardecced player corps that are not paying attention to local-chat. Funny that you in the same time both hate BACON and love local-chat when local-chat is the big issue here.
And players in NPC-corps couldnŠt care less about BACON. And even without any war at all, players use combat-ship and ammo for doing missions.
so how do you find a war target with no local? hope you bump into them on a gate as eve is massive search agents are only 90% ight if the person aint moving around ... then what?
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Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: elven serpent
I`m not talking about piracy - i`m talking about empire war. no local and its like searching for a needle in a haystack, hell why not gimp the buddy list so we can`t tell if you are even online, then everyone will just be flying around blindly hoping to bump into/avoid a wartarget..
LEAVE LOCAL AS IT IS - ITS NOT BROKEN AND BAN BACON/BACON USERS
Why not war decc a PvP corp if you are so nber? As you are both PvP I'm sure you will play fair and have a lot of fun combat... What you want is easy targets so at least be honest enough and admit it. Like the low sec pirates whining about lack of haulers doing AFK flying full of officer gear...
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:35:00 -
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Well empire war might have a problem with local removed, but it would still improve the game in general imo. (and even if empire war wouldnt be possible, there would still be enough fighting, so ships being lost, so miners can sell their stuff).
Bacon is indeed nothing more then an audio version of local chat, which is the visual version. Now according to you the world is going to end when audio version exists besides visual. When just visual exists everything is fine, and when visual is also removed the world is going to end again. Really confusing.
Like i also said, when local is removed scanner should be changed. Wartargets should have a special color in scanner. So then you still have to make only a few warps per system max to know if there are wartargets in space.
And finally, how should CCP know if someone uses bacon?
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Naval Protection Corp
Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tharukan Desm'ar
Paragraph's are your friend.
There is no ' in paragraphs. Fool. Be sure to read your own words before you comment on others'.
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:37:00 -
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We shoot whoever our cleint requires us to shoot, just so happens that eve has a lot of carebears, so if we get paid to ... we try to shoot them if they dont hide forever/quit corp/not login...
Maybe you dont understand what mercinaries do.. but thats it .. its just business.We dont aim for carebear corps - they bore us silly tbh.
Even moreso these days
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Han Kautsu
Merciless Onslaught
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:38:00 -
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mine veldspar until out eyes bleed
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William Alex
Viscosity
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:48:00 -
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To summerize the OP:
I'm not getting any kills because the noobs I wardec see me coming.
Sorry if I have no pity on you.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.15 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 15/05/2008 12:54:21
Originally by: FadedSoul
we are mercs we fight whoever we are payed to fight... does anybody understand that no? if we are hired to kill miners for some reason we will fight them same goes if we are hired to fight a large pvp corp it has no different just the contract may differ
then if you should work more to find your target ask more from whoever hired you.
Originally by: William Alex
To summerize the OP:
I'm not getting any kills because the noobs I wardec see me coming.
Sorry if I have no pity on you.
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Victor Forge
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: elven serpent
If you were to remove local you remove almost all interactivity within eve.
Carebear heaven.... eve is like a delicate eco-system - pvpers provide a market and carebears have their place producing stuff for the pvp`er.. upset that balance and it all goes wrong..
Think how much veld you`d have in your hanger - it`d be worthless..
HAHAHAHA!
Seriously? Removing local = carebear heaven? I canŠt belive you said that.
And I thought Op was the one that was confused.
I did say that boosted Gateguns was needed to move the ganking from the Gates to the belts. Thus allowing players to always be able to enter low-sec systems (doing missions and mining will be tricky as always though). As it is now we have no reason to enter low-sec if there is a gatecamp blocking the way.
Replace local-chat with a region-chat and it canŠt be used for intel and it will still be used for interactivity.
I think you underestimate how much 0.0 corps produce to cover their war losses and you underestimate the need of missionrunners in high-sec as well.
Pirates greatest contribution to EvE online isnŠt providing a market for Veldspar. No, their contribution is to making low-sec an empty wasteland. And it is empty because the "delicate balance" between risk-reward is messed up completly there.
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Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: FadedSoul
Originally by: Una D
Originally by: elven serpent
I`m not talking about piracy - i`m talking about empire war. no local and its like searching for a needle in a haystack, hell why not gimp the buddy list so we can`t tell if you are even online, then everyone will just be flying around blindly hoping to bump into/avoid a wartarget..
LEAVE LOCAL AS IT IS - ITS NOT BROKEN AND BAN BACON/BACON USERS
Why not war decc a PvP corp if you are so nber? As you are both PvP I'm sure you will play fair and have a lot of fun combat... What you want is easy targets so at least be honest enough and admit it. Like the low sec pirates whining about lack of haulers doing AFK flying full of officer gear...
we are mercs we fight whoever we are payed to fight... does anybody understand that no? if we are hired to kill miners for some reason we will fight them same goes if we are hired to fight a large pvp corp it has no different just the contract may differ
Ah the classic I'm not the one responsible here. Be a merc and accept only contracts against PvP corps. But I guess that would be hard. We've had quite a few war deccs that were by "mercs". Strange how they whined to no end (one even said he would petitions us too CCP for ganging up on him) when we fought back... Yea mercs. MC were mercs (during the good old days) you are just pathetic whiner.
BTW don't you think that forcing your target to stay docked is quite bad for their game? Hard to produce if you can't get minerals, hard to do missions if you can't undock and so on. It's not only about padding your KB.
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Thenoran
Caldari
Knights of MADD
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:11:00 -
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Not another one wining about people not going to face some big bad pirate or merc gang in his Retriever...
I wouldn't need such a program, if I was mining during a war-dec I'd keep a hawk's eye on local constantly, have the ship warp aligned and ready to go.
So you can't kill your target, boohoo...they can't do anything in their station either while you are camping the sytem
Yeh I myself could fight, but generally what mercs bring along will beat my Blasterokh.
Why is it when someone who isn't some 'hardcore PvP' and decides not to fight, that suddenly the rules of universe have to change just so you can kill them more easily?
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Muon Quark
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:27:00 -
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Bacon and several other apps like it were developed by and for 0.0 alliances, not carebears :p Some alliances like the strange insect alliance I will not name have the app connected to their own central server so they can get warnings from multiple ships at the same time.
An alliance or large corp using this can sit alts out 5-10 jumps away down the traffic pipes and see anything heading towards their space with it. Think of them as automated sentries.
Besides that far in the future, don't you think the AI's and robotic ships and such would actually be more advanced than they actually are in Eve? Maybe they should just make an anchorable module that does the same thing but requires care and feeding like a POS?
I repeat, this is not a carebear app it is alliance defensive pvp app.
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FadedSoul
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran
Not another one wining about people not going to face some big bad pirate or merc gang in his Retriever...
I wouldn't need such a program, if I was mining during a war-dec I'd keep a hawk's eye on local constantly, have the ship warp aligned and ready to go.
So you can't kill your target, boohoo...they can't do anything in their station either while you are camping the sytem
Yeh I myself could fight, but generally what mercs bring along will beat my Blasterokh.
Why is it when someone who isn't some 'hardcore PvP' and decides not to fight, that suddenly the rules of universe have to change just so you can kill them more easily?
we are currently in a war with 2 corps that both have t2 bc's lots of bs's they outnumber us 10 to 1 but when we enter system they hide yes it spoils thee game but its boring to hell lol we are just talking about this program that tell you when a war target enters system so they can hide nothing more nothing less we can pvp we have fought pvp corps,
i dont see why people mistake this thread thinking we are miner killers? (pirates)
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:51:00 -
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ok. this is going off topic now - obvoisly you all condone the non pvp enviroment so why not go play something else rather than ruin eve for those who want to pvp. and yes i mean against other pvp`er too.
Honestly you try to raise a relevant topic and get swamped with ******** comments from people who find staring at a rock interesting..
It`s not about what your target is - it`s about there being too many tools to avoid pvp. next step maybe you`ll have to ask b4 u fight like other(inferior) mmo`s... guess some of you would like to see that day,personaly i think thats pathetic.
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:53:00 -
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Boohoo miner saw me in local and docked, boohoo. Poor you, want a cookie now? Fight real opponents if you want to fight, instead of ganking easy targets.
Better staring at rock than living under rock.
And stop blaming bacon for your own incompetence.
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 13:58:00 -
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furb - don`t you have veld to mine? or are u doing that now hence the incoherent jabber..
watch tha nasty orethives dont come ... boo hoo indeed matey
- so congaratz again - thrown the thread off topic - may as well close this 1 now too
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Furb Killer
The Peacekeeper Core
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Posted - 2008.05.15 14:00:00 -
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Intresting how you come to the conclusion i am a miner.
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Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.05.15 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: FadedSoul
Originally by: Thenoran
Not another one wining about people not going to face some big bad pirate or merc gang in his Retriever...
I wouldn't need such a program, if I was mining during a war-dec I'd keep a hawk's eye on local constantly, have the ship warp aligned and ready to go.
So you can't kill your target, boohoo...they can't do anything in their station either while you are camping the sytem
Yeh I myself could fight, but generally what mercs bring along will beat my Blasterokh.
Why is it when someone who isn't some 'hardcore PvP' and decides not to fight, that suddenly the rules of universe have to change just so you can kill them more easily?
we are currently in a war with 2 corps that both have t2 bc's lots of bs's they outnumber us 10 to 1 but when we enter system they hide yes it spoils thee game but its boring to hell lol we are just talking about this program that tell you when a war target enters system so they can hide nothing more nothing less we can pvp we have fought pvp corps,
i dont see why people mistake this thread thinking we are miner killers? (pirates)
So before bacon everyone was just happily undocking and getting ganked by your oh so skillful gang? Bacon doesn't provide any extra intel and is thus just different representation of the same old local. I don't use bacon since eve is crappy piece of programing even without the log server runing but watching local or listening for the sounds is more or less the same. You have to be there and pay attention.
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FadedSoul
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Posted - 2008.05.15 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Una D
Originally by: FadedSoul
Originally by: Thenoran
Not another one wining about people not going to face some big bad pirate or merc gang in his Retriever...
I wouldn't need such a program, if I was mining during a war-dec I'd keep a hawk's eye on local constantly, have the ship warp aligned and ready to go.
So you can't kill your target, boohoo...they can't do anything in their station either while you are camping the sytem
Yeh I myself could fight, but generally what mercs bring along will beat my Blasterokh.
Why is it when someone who isn't some 'hardcore PvP' and decides not to fight, that suddenly the rules of universe have to change just so you can kill them more easily?
we are currently in a war with 2 corps that both have t2 bc's lots of bs's they outnumber us 10 to 1 but when we enter system they hide yes it spoils thee game but its boring to hell lol we are just talking about this program that tell you when a war target enters system so they can hide nothing more nothing less we can pvp we have fought pvp corps,
i dont see why people mistake this thread thinking we are miner killers? (pirates)
So before bacon everyone was just happily undocking and getting ganked by your oh so skillful gang? Bacon doesn't provide any extra intel and is thus just different representation of the same old local. I don't use bacon since eve is crappy piece of programing even without the log server runing but watching local or listening for the sounds is more or less the same. You have to be there and pay attention.
oh so skillful how? lol no more flaming im done heh.
thanks all for the decent posts didint mean for a flame fest but i guess the kids an geeks need something to do when the ****o finishes
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Victor Forge
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.15 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: FadedSoul
we are currently in a war with 2 corps that both have t2 bc's lots of bs's they outnumber us 10 to 1 but when we enter system they hide yes it spoils thee game but its boring to hell lol we are just talking about this program that tell you when a war target enters system so they can hide nothing more nothing less we can pvp we have fought pvp corps,
i dont see why people mistake this thread thinking we are miner killers? (pirates)
It might have something to do with the name of this topic you know:
"Carebears are having it too easy".
And it looks like you agree with that. Carebears = people not doing pvp.
Or is it you that are off-topic?
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 14:33:00 -
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In my opinion carebear defines someone who avoids pvp scenarios at all cost. not nescesarily miners(indeed i dont blame miners as they lack the relavant skills)
Just to clarify the context of this thread... hopefully this will not confuse certain individuals who clearly do fall into this category..
It`s not just about bacon there are other ways life is too eay for the carebear.. too many stations to hide in for 1 - why does 1 system need 17 stations?
There are many things within eve wich i believe make it too easy to avoid combat should you be inclined. the purpose of this thread is to explore and discuss these in a sensible fashion. BACON being the main bugbear. shame many people seem incapable of this 
Hopefully it will get back to topic and less flaming
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Victor Forge
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.15 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: elven serpent
In my opinion carebear defines someone who avoids pvp scenarios at all cost. not nescesarily miners(indeed i dont blame miners as they lack the relavant skills)
Just to clarify the context of this thread... hopefully this will not confuse certain individuals who clearly do fall into this category..
It`s not just about bacon there are other ways life is too eay for the carebear.. too many stations to hide in for 1 - why does 1 system need 17 stations?
There are many things within eve wich i believe make it too easy to avoid combat should you be inclined. the purpose of this thread is to explore and discuss these in a sensible fashion. BACON being the main bugbear. shame many people seem incapable of this
Hopefully it will get back to topic and less flaming
1. "carebear defines someone who avoids pvp scenarios at all cost". Such players will avoid pvp scenarios by being in NPC corps and simply canŠt be wardecced. BACON is no use for them at all, the only thing they have to worry about is suicide ganking.
2. If "Carebears are having it too easy" in EvE why do YOU think low-sec is so empty if the game is favouring carebears so much?
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Iomar Uisdean
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.15 15:05:00 -
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Ah.... the classic "discussion"
I want a "Snuff all carebears within 1000 AU" button
vs.
I want "Bubble of invincibility", mean people suck....
I wouldn't mind seeing some discussions, maybe even some off the wall ideas, that don't involve just crappy dumb gankbears whining about crappy dumb carebears (and the reverse).
Local, as an intel tool, is crappy and dumb. It frankly doesn't do much for any of the intelligent players, whether they seek player combat or seek to avoid being on the losing side of player combat.
No matter what (if anything) happens to Local, Crappy Dumb Carebears are still going to get themselves ganked and they're going to whine about it; and Crappy Dumb Gankbears are going to whine because there feel there aren't enough Crappy Dumb Carebears to gank and they can't ever seem to catch anyone else.
So lets just ignore that segment of the player populace and come up with some intelligent ideas for balanced tools that would help intelligent players.
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Modrak Vseth
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.05.15 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: FadedSoul
nice to know your keeping a decent post going fact is these people have it easy and why just not play eve if they dont like pvp as it is a pvp orientated game is it not?
we are mercs we fight the good with the bad your a prer apponent? actually putting te name of the program good stuff your clever m8
an i couldnt find a thread on it sorry thats why a new one was formed
Would you please stop with the double posting with your alt, it's obvious and it's really annoying. We've read the opinions and arguments about Bacon and local and so on and you really aren't adding anything new so just give up.
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Kolwrath
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.15 15:10:00 -
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To the OP: BACON is a pvp tool created by a certain Alliance BUZZING around 0.0 space.
I repeat: its a pvp tool. This has been stated many times in your thread.
Originally by: Chaos Space Marines
Do you hear the voices, too?!?!
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 15:11:00 -
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In answer to that - #1 Not all carebears stay in npc corp. there are 1000`s of corps full of them out there.
#2 since they avoid all possible threats they dont try to goto lowsec, since it`s much simpler to live in empire and avoid most combat, thats why lowsec is empty.
The carebear is too afraid to try to stake a claim to it.. tho i have known of carebear corps who strike up relations with pvp corps and co-exist in lowsec but sadly this is doesnt seem to happen much
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elven serpent
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Posted - 2008.05.15 15:16:00 -
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LOL faded isnt my alt , if he was i`d be running 3 accounts in pvp + a scout
that would make me somekinda eve freak.. double boxing is laggy enough thanks
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Balen Organa
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.15 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Balen Organa on 15/05/2008 19:02:25
Call it whatever you want, but not everyone wants to PVP in this game.
Let the PVE people play and let the PVP kill themselves. The two dont mix so dont worry about them.
I am also not sure why it bothers you.
If all I want to do is mine, build and do the occasional mission, why should you or anyone care?
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Thenoran
Caldari
Knights of MADD
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.15 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Balen Organa
Call it whatever you want, but not everyone wants to PVP in this game.
Let the PVE people play and let the PVP kill themselves. The two dont mix so dont worry about them.
I am also not sure why it bothers you.
If all I want to do is mine, build and do the occasional mission, why should you ro anyone care?
Because there are some players that are, for whatever reason, determined to force PvP onto PvE minded players.
I myself mostly mine, manufacture lots of stuff, do the occasional missions and if I feel like it or I'm needed, go to low-sec with my friends and kill some real pirates or whatever is in the way.
To me, a bunch of so-called 'hardcore PvP' players war-deccing a corp of PvE'ers who have little to no chance of fighting back, sounds like some sort of PvP-carebear, being afraid of an actual fight (low-sec and 0.0 too tough for you?) and potentially losing their ships. (mercs may be excepted from that, but why hire a merc corp against a bunch of miners in the first place?)
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.15 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Una D
Why not war decc a PvP corp if you are so nber? As you are both PvP I'm sure you will play fair and have a lot of fun combat... What you want is easy targets so at least be honest enough and admit it.
What you want is easy ISK and never to have to put any thought whatsoever to your own safety, so at least be honest enough and admit it.
It goes both ways.
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Una D
Ex Coelis
The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2008.05.15 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Una D
Why not war decc a PvP corp if you are so nber? As you are both PvP I'm sure you will play fair and have a lot of fun combat... What you want is easy targets so at least be honest enough and admit it.
What you want is easy ISK and never to have to put any thought whatsoever to your own safety, so at least be honest enough and admit it.
It goes both ways.
What I want is afun game. Being a target for some self proclaimed (lying) merc is hardly fun and I'll either gang up on them with my corp mates or if we think that we have no chance than just dock and wait until they get tired of it. My life doesn't revolve around EVE. How is ganking a miner or a missioning ship in any way risk? So we can agree that everybody (including 99% of 0.0 folks) is doing their best to minimise the risk. Strange how that works ha?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.15 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Una D
How is ganking a miner or a missioning ship in any way risk?
Not heard of, um, bait?
I found a Hulk by itself in a belt yesterday, in 0.0. I warped to it in my Drake, but alas he had already warped off. Next thing I know a Rapier decloaks and 5 Fighters appear around it. If I hadn't been out of warp scram range I wouldn't have the slightest chance of escape.
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ExcellciuM
Caldari
The New Order.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.15 20:34:00 -
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What a bad thread, here let me help:
My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.05.15 20:48:00 -
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Hey douche cannon, did it ever occur to you that Carebears aren't the only ones that could possibly benefit from this?
I'd wager that the average "carebear" is much, much less likely to install an audio-warning program than the average griefer, high sec ganker or extortionist. Sure would make hunting down specific targets in busy systems a hell of a lot easier!
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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