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Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:57:00 - [1] Edited by: Stork DK on 15/05/2008 12:00:31 Crusader vs Claw Right, minmatar is supposed to be fastest of all the races (haha) although the crusader (amarr inty) is faster than minmatars fastest inty (the claw). Fitting all inty's with: Domination OD's Domination Nano's T2 Polycarbons Gistii A-Type MWD [Overloaded] All lvl 5 gang leader All lvl 5 Claymore with 3 skirmish ganglinks and 1 skirmish Mindlink (Implant) Crusader = 55086m/s Claw = 54939m/s [147m/s less] Ares = 52834m/s [2252m/s less] Crow = 49444m/s [5642m/s less] Add about 20% speed with strong boosters. The reason for the crusader being faster is a lower base mass than the claw. The claw however have a higher base velocity. You'd think that the extra mass went into more armor or hull but nope, the crusader have both higher armor and hull. Boost minmatar plz! Edit: Snakes too ofc. ___________ - Stork DK
Triest Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:06:00 - [2] This is a pretty terrible thread, both by title and content. The Claw is just a crappy ship that doesn't have a solid role in PVP. The Crusader can effectively engage from outside web range, and thus doesn't suffer from the lack of a third mid. The Claw can't, at least if it wants to hit anything (Artillery has terrible tracking, and the lock range limits the Claw to about 20km range). It's just poor design, if you want to use autocannons and get in web range of basically anything you're going to die, and artillery is both difficult to fit and generally ineffective on the ship. This isn't a case of Amarr > Minmatar, The Claw is just a crappy ship.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:14:00 - [3] If you want this thread to be taken seriously, you should use realistic fittings instead of fitting the interceptors out with the best that money can buy (T2 polycarbs!); and of course, it would help if you compared them something other than pure straight-line speed in EFT. If I see a post that has interceptors doing single-figure speeds, with discussion not just of a single attribute but rather how well they are able to fulfill their intended roles, I'll respond to it productively. At the moment, it seems like the gist of your argument is that the Claw does 'only' 55 km/s (while the 'Sader does 55.1), so it needs to be faster.
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:24:00 - [4] At those speeds I don't think you'll be able to notice a passing object anymore anyway. :facepalm: That's about 0.3% less speed, which means nada in actual combat while you're maneuvering. That's like... "Oi, my ship only goes 300m/s and my opponents ship does 301m/s! Nerf! Nerf!" Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:33:00 - [5] OMFG ITS 100 M/S SLOWER... CALL THE WHAMBULANCE ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:34:00 - [6] you forgot to take the damage while traveling at those speeds into account: Crow: 69 dps Claw: 31 dps Ares: 15 dps Crusader: 0 dps omg buff amarr
achoura	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:37:00 - [7] Funny, you went to all that trouble typing that out but didn't think of checking that the taranis is actually the combat inty no the ares, well done. *The EVE servers and their patches*
Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:53:00 - [8] So.... Much... Flame... /flamesuit Tbh its not really a thread about which is the betterinty <,< we all know that claw sucks due to low targeting range, the sader sucks due to cap issues, ares suck compared to the taranis and the crow is just slower than the rest. My point was that i found it a bit sad that minmatar dont have the fastest inty even though speed is their trademark. ___________ - Stork DK
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:10:00 - [9] well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records
Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. ___________ - Stork DK
Nexus Kinnon Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:14:00 - [11] Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 15/05/2008 13:14:13 Originally by: Riho OMFG ITS 100 M/S SLOWER... CALL THE WHAMBULANCE wow, thanks captain constructive! I believe Stork is just pointing out that it's traditional for minmatar ships to be the fastest, and it seems somewhat illogical that the Amarr interceptor is faster, by however much.
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. Okay, if you want the esoteric explanation, go ahead and read the item description on the base hull type, the Executioner. Let me quote: Quote: The Executioner is another newly commissioned ship of the Amarr Imperial Navy. The Executioner was designed specially to counter the small, fast raider frigates of the Minmatar Republic; thus it is different from most Amarr ships in favoring speed over defenses. With the Executioner, the Amarrians have expanded their tactical capabilities on the battlefield. Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. No you don't get it, use the whole package i.e. minma ships + minma cs vs amarr ships + amarr cs and see who's faster. You take one ship of each race of the only shipclass where amarr very slightly outperform minmas speed wise and then jump to your hilarious amarr>minmatar conclusion.
Nexus Kinnon Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Shiken Kan Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. No you don't get it, use the whole package i.e. minma ships + minma cs vs amarr ships + amarr cs and see who's faster. You take one ship of each race of the only shipclass where amarr very slightly outperform minmas speed wise and then jump to your hilarious amarr>minmatar conclusion. oh, so you're all butthurt about the title... rather than the content? rightt.... the point is that interceptors, being the fastest ship, it would be logical that Minmatar would be the fastest of the fastest.
Rutefly Amarr Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:56:00 - [15] Amarr is always better than Minmies, ofcourse. And yes, tanaris and crusader R two nice tacklers, unless you count factions.
Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Shiken Kan Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. No you don't get it, use the whole package i.e. minma ships + minma cs vs amarr ships + amarr cs and see who's faster. You take one ship of each race of the only shipclass where amarr very slightly outperform minmas speed wise and then jump to your hilarious amarr>minmatar conclusion. Right. I edited the topic, can you stop trolling threads now? ___________ - Stork DK
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon oh, so you're all butthurt about the title... rather than the content? rightt.... the point is that interceptors, being the fastest ship, it would be logical that Minmatar would be the fastest of the fastest. Still going to use the "content" argument? Here's your content: Quote: designed specially to counter the small, fast raider frigates of the Minmatar Quote: counter fast frigates of the Minmatar Quote: designed specially Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:33:00 - [18] Are the Minmatar really supposed to be the fastest? --- Put in space whales!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:37:00 - [19] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/05/2008 14:37:30 Originally by: Lisento Slaven Are the Minmatar really supposed to be the fastest? Crusader with Damnation gang bonus is slower than Claw with Claymore gang bonus. So even if minmatar are supposed to be faster, the OP got it wrong, thus making this thread compleatly useless. -- Billion Isk Mission
FourthStorm Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:46:00 - [20] With my claw I'll kick your crusader ass anytime. And should know. I fly both type of ships maxed out. The plated claw is by far my favorite ship due to the optimal range of the AC's and its survive-ability. I still love the crusader, since its my first love. And with gatling lasers I take a very close look orbiting your ship.
mama guru Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:50:00 - [21] The day my zealot/curse outruns your vagabond/huginn is the day i'll reroll minmatar out of sheer pity EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:52:00 - [22] Edited by: Lisento Slaven on 15/05/2008 14:54:21 Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/05/2008 14:37:30 Originally by: Lisento Slaven Are the Minmatar really supposed to be the fastest? Crusader with Damnation gang bonus is slower than Claw with Claymore gang bonus. So even if minmatar are supposed to be faster, the OP got it wrong, thus making this thread compleatly useless. So you're saying a player should stick to his race and not specialize in what he's attempting to do? EDIT: This thread is not about PVP in my eyes. It is about speed. Are the minmatar supposed to be fastest in the game? --- Put in space whales!
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Stork DK All lvl 5 Claymore with 3 skirmish ganglinks and 1 skirmish Mindlink (Implant) Isn't that a minmatar ship right there? Should you not compare the Claw+Claymore combination against a Crusader+Damnation? Else you are saying if the other races gets the benefit of a minmatar speciality, they are fast. Not that surprising. __________________________________________________ Terra Incognita, mare nostrum
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:10:00 - [24] I pray for he day when stuff like this is considered to be a big problem in eve. Next. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
giddymochug Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:18:00 - [25] Originally by: mama guru The day my zealot/curse outruns your vagabond/huginn is the day i'll reroll minmatar out of sheer pity because we're all going fast with no cap, right? :P
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Kvaell Originally by: Stork DK All lvl 5 Claymore with 3 skirmish ganglinks and 1 skirmish Mindlink (Implant) Isn't that a minmatar ship right there? Should you not compare the Claw+Claymore combination against a Crusader+Damnation? Else you are saying if the other races gets the benefit of a minmatar speciality, they are fast. Not that surprising. He's not saying they're fast... He's saying they're faster. --- Put in space whales!
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. No you don't get it, use the whole package i.e. minma ships + minma cs vs amarr ships + amarr cs and see who's faster. You take one ship of each race of the only shipclass where amarr very slightly outperform minmas speed wise and then jump to your hilarious amarr>minmatar conclusion. Right. I edited the topic, can you stop trolling threads now? lol who is it thats trolling posting flame bait? The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:42:00 - [28] Originally by: General Coochie lol who is it thats trolling posting flame bait? It's you! points finger YOU! Because! foams PYRAMID QUOTING! Crusader is faster. Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Blood Daemon Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:01:00 - [29] now now children!! Basically I came upon this thread as flying both ship, I think I have the right to reply.. What i've seen through reading this is whine whine whine, but tbqfh who cares if one is faster, as someone has already explained the Executioner was specifically made to counter minmatars FAST frigates.. So obviously the T2 version is going to be an upgraded version, thus more fast, more powerful but still remain witht he same goal to be a FASTER this than Minmatars frigates... Just because Minmatar has speed as thier racial speciality DOESN'T mean that every other race has to be slower.. LORE means everything in this game, and if the Executioner hull frigates were made to be faster (like it is explained in its description)... what's the problem?? ------------------ Originally by: Treelox CCP, keep your pimp hand strong!!!!
Lady Frostmourn	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Shiken Kan you forgot to take the damage while traveling at those speeds into account: Crow: 69 dps Claw: 31 dps Ares: 15 dps Crusader: 0 dps omg buff amarr Are you trying to say that the Crow's missiles are fast enough to hit another interceptor?

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