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Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 11:57:00 - [1] Edited by: Stork DK on 15/05/2008 12:00:31 Crusader vs Claw Right, minmatar is supposed to be fastest of all the races (haha) although the crusader (amarr inty) is faster than minmatars fastest inty (the claw). Fitting all inty's with: Domination OD's Domination Nano's T2 Polycarbons Gistii A-Type MWD [Overloaded] All lvl 5 gang leader All lvl 5 Claymore with 3 skirmish ganglinks and 1 skirmish Mindlink (Implant) Crusader = 55086m/s Claw = 54939m/s [147m/s less] Ares = 52834m/s [2252m/s less] Crow = 49444m/s [5642m/s less] Add about 20% speed with strong boosters. The reason for the crusader being faster is a lower base mass than the claw. The claw however have a higher base velocity. You'd think that the extra mass went into more armor or hull but nope, the crusader have both higher armor and hull. Boost minmatar plz! Edit: Snakes too ofc. ___________ - Stork DK
Triest Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:06:00 - [2] This is a pretty terrible thread, both by title and content. The Claw is just a crappy ship that doesn't have a solid role in PVP. The Crusader can effectively engage from outside web range, and thus doesn't suffer from the lack of a third mid. The Claw can't, at least if it wants to hit anything (Artillery has terrible tracking, and the lock range limits the Claw to about 20km range). It's just poor design, if you want to use autocannons and get in web range of basically anything you're going to die, and artillery is both difficult to fit and generally ineffective on the ship. This isn't a case of Amarr > Minmatar, The Claw is just a crappy ship.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:14:00 - [3] If you want this thread to be taken seriously, you should use realistic fittings instead of fitting the interceptors out with the best that money can buy (T2 polycarbs!); and of course, it would help if you compared them something other than pure straight-line speed in EFT. If I see a post that has interceptors doing single-figure speeds, with discussion not just of a single attribute but rather how well they are able to fulfill their intended roles, I'll respond to it productively. At the moment, it seems like the gist of your argument is that the Claw does 'only' 55 km/s (while the 'Sader does 55.1), so it needs to be faster.
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:24:00 - [4] At those speeds I don't think you'll be able to notice a passing object anymore anyway. :facepalm: That's about 0.3% less speed, which means nada in actual combat while you're maneuvering. That's like... "Oi, my ship only goes 300m/s and my opponents ship does 301m/s! Nerf! Nerf!" Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:33:00 - [5] OMFG ITS 100 M/S SLOWER... CALL THE WHAMBULANCE ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:34:00 - [6] you forgot to take the damage while traveling at those speeds into account: Crow: 69 dps Claw: 31 dps Ares: 15 dps Crusader: 0 dps omg buff amarr
achoura	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:37:00 - [7] Funny, you went to all that trouble typing that out but didn't think of checking that the taranis is actually the combat inty no the ares, well done. *The EVE servers and their patches*
Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:53:00 - [8] So.... Much... Flame... /flamesuit Tbh its not really a thread about which is the betterinty <,< we all know that claw sucks due to low targeting range, the sader sucks due to cap issues, ares suck compared to the taranis and the crow is just slower than the rest. My point was that i found it a bit sad that minmatar dont have the fastest inty even though speed is their trademark. ___________ - Stork DK
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:10:00 - [9] well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records
Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. ___________ - Stork DK
Nexus Kinnon Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:14:00 - [11] Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 15/05/2008 13:14:13 Originally by: Riho OMFG ITS 100 M/S SLOWER... CALL THE WHAMBULANCE wow, thanks captain constructive! I believe Stork is just pointing out that it's traditional for minmatar ships to be the fastest, and it seems somewhat illogical that the Amarr interceptor is faster, by however much.
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. Okay, if you want the esoteric explanation, go ahead and read the item description on the base hull type, the Executioner. Let me quote: Quote: The Executioner is another newly commissioned ship of the Amarr Imperial Navy. The Executioner was designed specially to counter the small, fast raider frigates of the Minmatar Republic; thus it is different from most Amarr ships in favoring speed over defenses. With the Executioner, the Amarrians have expanded their tactical capabilities on the battlefield. Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. No you don't get it, use the whole package i.e. minma ships + minma cs vs amarr ships + amarr cs and see who's faster. You take one ship of each race of the only shipclass where amarr very slightly outperform minmas speed wise and then jump to your hilarious amarr>minmatar conclusion.
Nexus Kinnon Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Shiken Kan Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. No you don't get it, use the whole package i.e. minma ships + minma cs vs amarr ships + amarr cs and see who's faster. You take one ship of each race of the only shipclass where amarr very slightly outperform minmas speed wise and then jump to your hilarious amarr>minmatar conclusion. oh, so you're all butthurt about the title... rather than the content? rightt.... the point is that interceptors, being the fastest ship, it would be logical that Minmatar would be the fastest of the fastest.
Rutefly Amarr Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:56:00 - [15] Amarr is always better than Minmies, ofcourse. And yes, tanaris and crusader R two nice tacklers, unless you count factions.
Stork DK Minmatar Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Shiken Kan Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. No you don't get it, use the whole package i.e. minma ships + minma cs vs amarr ships + amarr cs and see who's faster. You take one ship of each race of the only shipclass where amarr very slightly outperform minmas speed wise and then jump to your hilarious amarr>minmatar conclusion. Right. I edited the topic, can you stop trolling threads now? ___________ - Stork DK
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:00:00 - [17] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon oh, so you're all butthurt about the title... rather than the content? rightt.... the point is that interceptors, being the fastest ship, it would be logical that Minmatar would be the fastest of the fastest. Still going to use the "content" argument? Here's your content: Quote: designed specially to counter the small, fast raider frigates of the Minmatar Quote: counter fast frigates of the Minmatar Quote: designed specially Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:33:00 - [18] Are the Minmatar really supposed to be the fastest? --- Put in space whales!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:37:00 - [19] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/05/2008 14:37:30 Originally by: Lisento Slaven Are the Minmatar really supposed to be the fastest? Crusader with Damnation gang bonus is slower than Claw with Claymore gang bonus. So even if minmatar are supposed to be faster, the OP got it wrong, thus making this thread compleatly useless. -- Billion Isk Mission
FourthStorm Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:46:00 - [20] With my claw I'll kick your crusader ass anytime. And should know. I fly both type of ships maxed out. The plated claw is by far my favorite ship due to the optimal range of the AC's and its survive-ability. I still love the crusader, since its my first love. And with gatling lasers I take a very close look orbiting your ship.
mama guru Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:50:00 - [21] The day my zealot/curse outruns your vagabond/huginn is the day i'll reroll minmatar out of sheer pity EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:52:00 - [22] Edited by: Lisento Slaven on 15/05/2008 14:54:21 Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/05/2008 14:37:30 Originally by: Lisento Slaven Are the Minmatar really supposed to be the fastest? Crusader with Damnation gang bonus is slower than Claw with Claymore gang bonus. So even if minmatar are supposed to be faster, the OP got it wrong, thus making this thread compleatly useless. So you're saying a player should stick to his race and not specialize in what he's attempting to do? EDIT: This thread is not about PVP in my eyes. It is about speed. Are the minmatar supposed to be fastest in the game? --- Put in space whales!
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Stork DK All lvl 5 Claymore with 3 skirmish ganglinks and 1 skirmish Mindlink (Implant) Isn't that a minmatar ship right there? Should you not compare the Claw+Claymore combination against a Crusader+Damnation? Else you are saying if the other races gets the benefit of a minmatar speciality, they are fast. Not that surprising. __________________________________________________ Terra Incognita, mare nostrum
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:10:00 - [24] I pray for he day when stuff like this is considered to be a big problem in eve. Next. - Violence isn't the answer, it is the question. The answer is yes.
giddymochug Minmatar Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:18:00 - [25] Originally by: mama guru The day my zealot/curse outruns your vagabond/huginn is the day i'll reroll minmatar out of sheer pity because we're all going fast with no cap, right? :P
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Kvaell Originally by: Stork DK All lvl 5 Claymore with 3 skirmish ganglinks and 1 skirmish Mindlink (Implant) Isn't that a minmatar ship right there? Should you not compare the Claw+Claymore combination against a Crusader+Damnation? Else you are saying if the other races gets the benefit of a minmatar speciality, they are fast. Not that surprising. He's not saying they're fast... He's saying they're faster. --- Put in space whales!
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Shiken Kan well if you take a slightly more realistic fit by replacing your t2 polycarbs by t1 ones and not having a MINMATAR command ship you'll end up with: crusader: 19967 claw: 19959 for a whopping difference 0.004% speed. Also note that you need a minma cs for all those great speed records You'r still not getting it.. My point is that i find it odd that amarr should outperform minmatar when it comes to speed. No you don't get it, use the whole package i.e. minma ships + minma cs vs amarr ships + amarr cs and see who's faster. You take one ship of each race of the only shipclass where amarr very slightly outperform minmas speed wise and then jump to your hilarious amarr>minmatar conclusion. Right. I edited the topic, can you stop trolling threads now? lol who is it thats trolling posting flame bait? The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:42:00 - [28] Originally by: General Coochie lol who is it thats trolling posting flame bait? It's you! points finger YOU! Because! foams PYRAMID QUOTING! Crusader is faster. Cogito ergo boom - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Blood Daemon Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:01:00 - [29] now now children!! Basically I came upon this thread as flying both ship, I think I have the right to reply.. What i've seen through reading this is whine whine whine, but tbqfh who cares if one is faster, as someone has already explained the Executioner was specifically made to counter minmatars FAST frigates.. So obviously the T2 version is going to be an upgraded version, thus more fast, more powerful but still remain witht he same goal to be a FASTER this than Minmatars frigates... Just because Minmatar has speed as thier racial speciality DOESN'T mean that every other race has to be slower.. LORE means everything in this game, and if the Executioner hull frigates were made to be faster (like it is explained in its description)... what's the problem?? ------------------ Originally by: Treelox CCP, keep your pimp hand strong!!!!
Lady Frostmourn	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Shiken Kan you forgot to take the damage while traveling at those speeds into account: Crow: 69 dps Claw: 31 dps Ares: 15 dps Crusader: 0 dps omg buff amarr Are you trying to say that the Crow's missiles are fast enough to hit another interceptor?
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:31:00 - [31] Edited by: Shiken Kan on 15/05/2008 16:40:04 Originally by: Stork DK Right. I edited the topic, can you stop trolling threads now? Nope the topic should be: OMG one amarr ceptor is slightly faster then a minma ceptor. How should I be able to compete with such uberness? Originally by: Lady Frostmourn Originally by: Shiken Kan you forgot to take the damage while traveling at those speeds into account: Crow: 69 dps Claw: 31 dps Ares: 15 dps Crusader: 0 dps omg buff amarr Are you trying to say that the Crow's missiles are fast enough to hit another interceptor? no i'm saying that at such speeds missiles are the only weapons that can hit anything and plz don't give me lowering transversal by manual piloting at 55km a sec.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.05.15 16:52:00 - [32] Not gonna read the replies, just gonna say that the Claw has the smallest sig radius of any other ship in the entire game. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
Corwain Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2008.05.15 17:00:00 - [33] Overloaded modules [x] Faction/Deadspace gear [x] Maxed skills [x] Disgusting Misuse of EFT [x] OP Exibiting Lack of Brains [x] EFT can actually be used to prove useful info. Unfortunately brain-dead posters like the OP screw it up for the legitimate uses. Bravo. Nothing to see here... PS I do not mean the OP any out of game disrespect. I'm sure he/she is a functioning member of society. Just please no more drunk/hungover/drug induced posts. Also I do not take him/her seriously: lol, internets! -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.15 17:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Corwain Overloaded modules [x] Faction/Deadspace gear [x] Maxed skills [x] Disgusting Misuse of EFT [x] OP Exibiting Lack of Brains [x] EFT can actually be used to prove useful info. Unfortunately brain-dead posters like the OP screw it up for the legitimate uses. Bravo. Nothing to see here... PS I do not mean the OP any out of game disrespect. I'm sure he/she is a functioning member of society. Just please no more drunk/hungover/drug induced posts. Also I do not take him/her seriously: lol, internets! Something-like-the-fifth-or sixth-(lost count)-boost-Minmatar-active-thread-in-the-first-page-wagon [x] Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! Introduce HEAT EMMITERÖ for the Pilgrim
Crellion Art of War Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.15 18:06:00 - [35] Why the need to go max? Fit mwd t1 and some t1 overdrives to each and count sheesh. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Karad Forsky Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.15 18:57:00 - [36] The difference is marginal. Claw is not a great ship for any purpose compared to racial alternatives.
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Crellion Why the need to go max? Fit mwd t1 and some t1 overdrives to each and count sheesh. The reason is that with a way more realistic t2 fit the claw is faster then the sader
Wideen Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:39:00 - [38] wat
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:41:00 - [39] I want the time I spent reading this pile of @;!"$ú%&" back! Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts[/qu
Daer Vechesier	Posted - 2008.05.15 20:59:00 - [40] Of course the sader is faster, its a high tech supreme interceptor, while the claw on the other hand is a trashcan with a mwd ducttaped onto it.
Savlin Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.15 21:58:00 - [41] Edited by: Savlin on 15/05/2008 21:59:44 Crusader vs Claw 1. Crusader goes Crusader = 55086m/s Claw = 54939m/s [147m/s less] 2. pew pew, noone can hit eachother. 3. claw webs crusader 4. Crusader activates his.. errm lowslot.. o no must have speed mods there. 5. claw orbits and pews missiles. 6. topic fail. Crusader and claw has diffrent roles, claw tackler, Crusader inty hunter Stork DK: Right, minmatar is supposed to be fastest of all the races rp for the geeks : Executioner class intys are made to hunt down fast Mimatar ships. So you want to say that mimatar ships should be the fastest in game as in eve-lore, then hence the role of amarr inty's. Nothing says that all Mimatar ship classes are fastest in game. O and btw, nerf Rapier. edit: feels sorry for Vathar
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.15 23:48:00 - [42] Assuming straight line speed, the sader will be doing dps (turrets ftw), while missiles are doing jack because they have crappy explosion radii. Ergo, amarr > all :D
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.05.16 00:26:00 - [43] Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 16/05/2008 00:27:59 you EFT scum Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
Kelbesque Crystalis Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.16 00:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Savlin Crusader and claw has diffrent roles, claw tackler, Crusader inty hunter So that makes the Stiletto the Minnie Inty hunter right? Oh wait....
Kailiani	Posted - 2008.05.16 01:26:00 - [45] Edited by: Kailiani on 16/05/2008 01:31:37 Quote: Amarr is faster than Matar even tho theyr supposed to be fastest. What? Your topic sentence is all wrong. Amarr(in realistic scenarios) are not faster and they aren't supposed to be faster! I believe you want to rename it to "Amarr are faster in this moronic scenario then Matar even though they aren't supposed to be faster." Fail
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.05.16 02:49:00 - [46] As a pro-minmatar activist and firm believer in the minmatar-should-be-fastest policy.... I want my 2 minutes back. Don't waste my time like this
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:40:00 - [47] Originally by: AstroPhobic As a pro-minmatar activist and firm believer in the minmatar-should-be-fastest policy.... I want my 2 minutes back. Don't waste my time like this If gallente has the "I hurt people" rating and minmitar has the "I fly garbage heaps at amazing speeds" what is that Amarr and Caldari do? Both races seem like a compromise on the above two principles. . . I guess Caldari has the largest sig radius award (stupid shields). Maybe caldari is a "Bring Friends" policy
Hannobaal Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:49:00 - [48] The Eris is faster than the Sabre if you use all the lows for speed mods. Minmatar is not necessarily always the fastest in evry single ship class. But there's nothing wrong with that.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:49:00 - [49] Originally by: Derek Sigres If gallente has the "I hurt people" rating and minmitar has the "I fly garbage heaps at amazing speeds" what is that Amarr and Caldari do? Both races seem like a compromise on the above two principles. . . I guess Caldari has the largest sig radius award (stupid shields). Maybe caldari is a "Bring Friends" policy Not to break it down too far, but: Gallente: Fighter/Conjuration Amarr: Archer/Necromancy Caldari: Bard/Illusion Matari: Rogue/Alteration -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres If gallente has the "I hurt people" rating and minmitar has the "I fly garbage heaps at amazing speeds" what is that Amarr and Caldari do? Both races seem like a compromise on the above two principles. . . I guess Caldari has the largest sig radius award (stupid shields). Maybe caldari is a "Bring Friends" policy Not to break it down too far, but: Gallente: Fighter/Conjuration Amarr: Archer/Necromancy Caldari: Bard/Illusion Matari: Rogue/Alteration -Liang . . . And then we bring traditional RPG's into it Still, Bard IS a fair choice for Caldari - our ships don't excell at any specific task but generally do pretty well in several areas. Interesting choices all around I'd say. Not sure if I agree with Matari - alteration. Evocation seems fair for Gallente (fireballs for example) but it also seems as though Matari have lesser evocation - i.e. the ability to propel wrecks REALLY REALLY fast, or the ability to turn wrecks into workable combat vessels. It's lesser evocation because they havn't worked out how to make Battleships and Cap ships effectively yet. . .
Crackpipe2000	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:59:00 - [51] no no no. you could actually nerf claw abit to make me look yet even better when i take down your wimpy ****ot taranis or crusader or whatever. they could give both sader and claw a midslotz to make them more kombat, like crow is. i can fly all of them, but claw is the gangster of love.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.16 04:01:00 - [52] Originally by: ***pipe2000 no no no. you could actually nerf claw abit to make me look yet even better when i take down your wimpy **ot taranis or crusader or whatever. they could give both sader and claw a midslotz to make them more kombat, like crow is. i can fly all of them, but claw is the gangster of love. What's the ganster of hate then? I'd rather be able to send a large degree of hate and discotent at someone than love. When has love won a battle?
Crackpipe2000	Posted - 2008.05.16 04:26:00 - [53] Originally by: Derek Sigres Originally by: ***pipe2000 no no no. you could actually nerf claw abit to make me look yet even better when i take down your wimpy **ot taranis or crusader or whatever. they could give both sader and claw a midslotz to make them more kombat, like crow is. i can fly all of them, but claw is the gangster of love. What's the ganster of hate then? I'd rather be able to send a large degree of hate and discotent at someone than love. When has love won a battle? Love wins every time. I get all the women after the fight, looking cool in my smoking claw, while the opponent hopelessly tries to salvage something out of the wreck of his fancy, popular non-minnie combat ceptor. Now imagine the grief of losing a real men's fight to a goddamn shuttle with turrets... I'd feel so so sorry for myself.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.16 04:27:00 - [54] Originally by: ***pipe2000 Originally by:** Derek Sigres Originally by: ***pipe2000 no no no. you could actually nerf claw abit to make me look yet even better when i take down your wimpy **ot taranis or crusader or whatever. they could give both sader and claw a midslotz to make them more kombat, like crow is. i can fly all of them, but claw is the gangster of love. What's the ganster of hate then? I'd rather be able to send a large degree of hate and discotent at someone than love. When has love won a battle? Love wins every time. I get all the women after the fight, looking cool in my smoking claw, while the opponent hopelessly tries to salvage something out of the wreck of his fancy, popular non-minnie combat ceptor. Now imagine the grief of losing a real men's fight to a goddamn shuttle with turrets... I'd feel so so sorry for myself. But love didn't win the fight, it got you the women. But the women didn't come until you won the fight. So it appears you probably won the fight (and thus got the women) by using hate and discontent.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.16 04:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Derek Sigres But love didn't win the fight, it got you the women. But the women didn't come until you won the fight. So it appears you probably won the fight (and thus got the women) by using hate and discontent. Who cares? He got the women. :p -Liang -- It was an honor to participate in the Insurgency campaign in Branch. o7 to all involved.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.05.16 04:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Derek Sigres But love didn't win the fight, it got you the women. But the women didn't come until you won the fight. So it appears you probably won the fight (and thus got the women) by using hate and discontent. Who cares? He got the women. :p -Liang I do. If I had more hatred to sling and perhaps a smidgen more discontent at my disposal perhaps I too would get the women
Blutreiter Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:31:00 - [57] Originally by: ***pipe2000 looking cool in my smoking claw, while the opponent hopelessly tries to salvage something out of the wreck I can just imagine you sitting there in that smoking wreck, trying to ward off some salvager by throwing random pieces of debris at them. Minmatar ships may not be state of the art, but it they're already smoking, I honestly believe that you DON'T look cool. Cogito ergo boom** - I think i'll blow sht up* Originally by: CCP Explorer I know we have said this before, but this time we really mean itÖ
Hobo Roughsleeper	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:29:00 - [58] Originally by: Kelbesque Crystalis Originally by: Savlin Crusader and claw has diffrent roles, claw tackler, Crusader inty hunter So that makes the Stiletto the Minnie Inty hunter right? Oh wait.... I belive that only Crusader is the pure bred inty hunter in the game all other inty's with 3>= more meds are better off tackling and webbing bigger ships.
Hobo Roughsleeper	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:31:00 - [59] Edited by: Hobo Roughsleeper on 17/05/2008 11:34:31 Assuming straight line speed, the sader will be doing dps (turrets ftw), while missiles are doing jack because they have crappy explosion radii. Ergo, amarr > all :D You are right until Crusader gets webbed. And yes: Ammar> all
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:34:00 - [60] Bloody hell, going that fast I'd be surprised if it really mattered what you were doing. _____________________________ OMG I GOT A KILL GUYZ!!?>!>

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