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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Fugly McTastic
Thats it!!! I'm gonna sign up my Amarr Char to the Caldari Militia, and fly Gallente ships with minmitard weapons just to **** people off!!!
May I suggest Gallente drone boat + Minny drones? Your multi-culti ways will be far more noticable that way than if you use some silly faction guns and ammo. 
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Juraka Furo
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:22:00 -
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If I'm an American Marine using a German gun, does that make me a traitor?
No. It just so happens that a german gun is better than an american gun.
(Hypothetical situation above. I actually have no clue which guns are better or whatever)
As long as you are fighting for your faction, I don't think they would care if you're flying a pink sausage through space.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale
No. The only factional distinctions being made are based on factional standings. Your race, bloodline and ship type have no effect. The only thing the empires care about is if you're trusted or not.
now i might have missed this part, cuz i haven't gone through the entire devblog, but does this mean that if u have low standing towards a certain race, u will not be able to fight for them? hehe so does this mean that missionrunners get an edge with this cuz most have pretty hi standing towards the empire their doing missions for. Would actually be nice if having hi standing would actually mean something for a change.
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Fwaps Continuously
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Posted - 2008.05.18 11:24:00 -
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i'm not really getting the jist of those who are proposing race specific ship restrictions - the RP aspect is not a big enough justification - sounds like a limiting rule just for the sheer hell of it. 
My main toon is caldari and it is completely obvious to me that caldari ships completely suck at PvP - unless they quickly invent some form of long range warp-scrambling missle that can be loaded into any launcher (or at least a combat utility drone that does the same thing). Until that happens, I'm going to make the best of the situation. I'll be flying a couple of Thorax and Britix ships (maybe a mega - occassionaly).
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Veldya
Caldari
Shadow Industries Corpororation Limited
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Posted - 2008.05.18 11:33:00 -
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If it was real faction vs faction then Caldari would crush anyone else. Caldari EW is the best.
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Valan
The Fated
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 13:14:00 -
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Please all stick to your faction when choosing a ship.
I need to know what damage type and jammers to bring.
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Haakon Jarl
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2008.05.18 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Veldya
If it was real faction vs faction then Caldari would crush anyone else. Caldari EW is the best.
Didnt the alliance tournament proove that EW is not always what wins the day?
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Ambien Torca
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Posted - 2008.05.18 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ambien Torca on 18/05/2008 13:42:17
Not always but more often than not. ECM is very powerful addition to any fight and honestly if EVE was going for realism every race would have dedicated ECM platforms in use. Same goes for extended-range webbing ships.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.18 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Look at the empyrean war web page, look at the awesome fleets. IT would have looked boring if it was mixed fleets.
I agree... the thought of pure faction vs faction is what makes the whole idea intriguing. I'm not complaining about the way they have it set up, I just think if you are going to do something like this, then CCP is going about it all wrong. But either way, I'm going to have fun participating... just not as much fun as I thought it would be.
Heck, at least try it the right way first... then later let people swap around ships and races to different militias. But I think this Eve community deserves to TRY it correctly before mixed fleets ruin the intrigue. Has CCP learned anything from the past. There's no harm in giving pure faction vs pure faction a try.
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Euriti
Gallente
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 15:44:00 -
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Caldari would roflstomp everyone because of ECM and selectable damage types while tanking for opponents dmg types.
Bad idea.
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Kailiani
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Meroko
and Concord... concord ships are the results of all the empire's techs + alot of extra funding.
Wish I could fire a MASSIVE hybrid round that has lasers attached to it, and fires a volley of missiles before impact!!
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Grendelsbane
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Grendelsbane on 18/05/2008 17:41:00
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
Ships carrying pilots with alliance membership cannot take part.
Bleh. Making it a pointless exercise for many, and it certainly won't make me want to play EVE more often that I do now... I mean, missions = mind numbing boredom induced lobotomy, and there isn't always a good alliance related fight to jump into... That just means I go find something else to do. FW could another cool thing to do, but, I guess not.
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Nachshon
Caldari
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:53:00 -
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You also have to consider that not all factions are monolithic, in racial terms. The Minmatar in particular are a racial hodgepodge.
My missiles WILL serve the Republic.
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Nitemare111
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nitemare111 on 18/05/2008 19:03:39
And, of course some of the dumber RP types are crying YET AGAIN. "Oh, noes! We're not the special ones any more! If you're going to have faction wars, you need to do it OUR way!"
Look, you want to fly racial specific, you go right ahead. And when you repeatedly get stomped and podded by someone exploiting your fleet's weaknesses, we'll all happily laugh at you.
Hey, I'm Minmatar, and mostly fly Matar ships. Why should I be restricted from flying my Angel and Gallente ships because you twerps are busy roleplaying your little elf/dwarf wars? Gah, CCP tries to do something to add a little spice and the babies start whining their heads off because "It's not the way I want it!!!!"
Go play Conan, you losers. You're as bad as the isk sellers and macroers.
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Gwendion
Gallente
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Disco Flint
Restricting people to their races ships would mean Caldari wins.
Heck, I'd fly blackbirds every day and laugh at the other pitiful ewars.
Out of Touch lately?
Sure, ECM might work, wont work when you cant TARGET anyone when your range is crap :P
Caldari would get thrown to the floor by Minmatar ships and made to lick their boots. Amarr would do the same to Gallente.
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That aside, I do support SOME SORT of Faction ONLY battlegrounds. Meaning if you fight for one side, you MUST fly their ships. That would be fun.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gwendion
Caldari would get thrown to the floor by Minmatar ships and made to lick their boots. Amarr would do the same to Gallente.
Yes, but since the fight seems to be divided into Caldari vs. Gallente and Minny vs. Amarr, the fights you describe wouldn't happen anyway.
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Thorradin
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.19 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Haakon Jarl
Originally by: Veldya
If it was real faction vs faction then Caldari would crush anyone else. Caldari EW is the best.
Didnt the alliance tournament proove that EW is not always what wins the day?
You mean the tournament that had a setup and structure you won't find in real PVP? Also, it wasn't teams having to use a certain faction ship, with the other team knowing the faction.
I can tell you right now, if you bring 100 people to fight my 100 people, I'm leading all Caldari, and you're leading all of a single race's ships, your fleet is going to get manhandled. Knowing what racial jammers to load on my ECM boats would be above and beyond what you're going to take on. You could try sensor damps, but iirc, the Scorpion has range with ECM that trumps any damp boat.
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soldieroffortune 258
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Posted - 2008.05.19 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Spenz
Personally I think that faction warfare opens the door for race-specific tech, now that the girly-jove fairness is broken by war and each faction will try and develop tech that will give them an edge in battle (and not share it since warring factions usually don't do that).
Who knows though.
at that comment, yes i agree, that is a good idea, to have race specific technology, and it will only be accessible in that factions space (maybe allies space as well if its like Minmatar and Gallente VS. Amarr and Caldari) and somehow could only be used if you are fighting for that faction, like since they are forming "militias" its war only technology, like you have to be fighting with them to be using it, and to curb some of those who are sneaky, if you are caught with that equipment on your ship, and not in a "militia", it will be like flying to a stargate with some Mindflood on board your ship  I mean of course they would give you a warning, like if you quit the faction for some reason, it gives you a warning to remove all military equipment off of your ship, and for those people who turn off warnings then they can suffer teh consequences, like i remember this one guy who stole from a dominix right in front of him because he turned off the "this is not your wreck and you will be a thief" warning, kinda dumb if you ask me, i keep all my warnings on, just in case of things like that, and it has saved me a couple of times
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.05.19 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Syniztur
Weak.
I mean, I've read all of your arguments/comments here. But think about it, it's supposed to be more RP based. And if you were really interested in RP, would you really be cross-training? Probably not. Those who opted to cross train back in the day obviously had no intention of ever worrying about the RP aspect of the game.
It only ever becomes an issue when it affects someone. Who cares if you cross trained. Roll a RP character then you can FW with the rest of the RPers. Otherwise, you are really only wanting to take the 'fish in a barrel' aspect of it and be looking in from the outside... trying to reap the rewards of easy warfare that you aren't actually involved in.
*Edited: cuz I can't spell
Hmm. The Dev Blog itself says that the RP aspect is secondary to promoting small-gang warfare. DevBlog also says RP is secondary to using factional warfare as a step into 0.0 life.
Besides that, I'm a roleplayer. I'm cross trained in Gallente and Minmatar. I made that decision after I was already with my current Guristas pirate corp. Thank you for sitting in a Newb corp and telling us how RPers think and act.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus
Take Caldari in particular -- a lot of our missile boats are less than ideal for one-on-one PVP (I'm told) and (again, I'm told) don't get used much in that way.
Yeah, 1 vs 1, but a fleet of 20 Drakes unloading a volley of 140 heavy missiles onto some poor unsuspecting BS is a sight to behold. And for the record, the BS just melts 
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:26:00 -
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I'm a Minmatar pilot. I was a slave for 20 years, in service on Caldari ships.
Why would I abandon my history? Besides, can't you see how delicious it is to kill Caldari slavers with their own guns?
*points to the piles of shrink-wrapped boxes in the back of her Drake's hold*
See those boxes there? You better believe that they're Caldari Navy issue missiles. They all have a special message from me to the betrayers of trust and liberty - that message is, simply, "die!"
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:26:00 -
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I don't want any racial ship restrictions, but I would much MUCH prefer a racial ship BONUS.
Even if it was a very small random bonus like 2% or 3% cap or shield or armor recharge rate, or whatever. Or even a small bonus to whatever ranks or lp awards we will be getting.
Enough to maybe get people to rationalize staying with the races ships, ya know?
I just like the thought of racial gang stuff.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nitemare111
And, of course some of the dumber RP types are crying YET AGAIN. "Oh, noes! We're not the special ones any more! If you're going to have faction wars, you need to do it OUR way!"
no one is whining as much as you are in this discussion. the fact is, from the start of Eve we've seen pics and videos of massive faction fleets... we see missions with massive faction fleets... its all about faction ships vs faction ships... NOT MIXED FLEETS. So yea, its kinda disappointing to see FW simply ignore what has been depicted for 5+ years.
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Look, you want to fly racial specific, you go right ahead. And when you repeatedly get stomped and podded by someone exploiting your fleet's weaknesses, we'll all happily laugh at you.
something a 4year old would say. listen, as it is now, people will fly the best ships for pvping... gee... lets have a faction war with nothing but minmatar and gallente ships. it more and more sounds to me like just a large laggy mixed fleet battle in empire. we have those in 0.0... this brings nothing new to the table. if we all flew race specific ships, we'd all have the same weaknesses as everyone else. we'd all know what to fit, what ammos to use... and yes, this is something new and intriguing to many. not to mention its logical. who would of overlooked that?
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Hey, I'm Minmatar, and mostly fly Matar ships. Why should I be restricted from flying my Angel and Gallente ships because you twerps are busy roleplaying your little elf/dwarf wars? Gah, CCP tries to do something to add a little spice and the babies start whining their heads off because "It's not the way I want it!!!!"
CCP never said FW was for everyone. Seems if there was a restriction you'd be happy since thats all you fly anyway. Its not so much a roleplay as you may think. I never roleplayed in my life, and I'd love to see race specific ships. It's a new change to something that makes sense. You don't make sense.
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Go play Conan, you losers. You're as bad as the isk sellers and macroers.
somebody needs a girlfriend! lol
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.05.21 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 21/05/2008 17:14:41
Originally by: Pithecanthropus and other whiners
Restrict ships so it looks like how the NPCs fight and because we should have faction wars restricted to make it look thus
You forget something:
YOU ARE NOT THE EMPIRE.
You are, for all intents and purposes, a privateer given a letter of marque to go shoot the opposition. Why would an empire restrict you from choosing the best tool for the job? They want victory. They understand that it's not the originator of the ship design (who is often independent of the manufacturer), but the ideology of the pilot that matters.
((Also, on a pure gameplay note, restricting races would be a horrible idea (see: all the Caldari pilots above). I *HIGHLY* doubt races are balanced for pure combat against each other, and you would be restricting players without cause and pretty much causing headaches for all. Not to mention that the NPC fights you mention work on totally different rules from player fights - ever check out NPC ewar, guns, etc.?))
You are a capsuleer. You are better than the empires. You are ABOVE the empires. You have the freedom to choose what to use at any moment. If you must maintain loyalty to a particular class of ship that's likely NOT EVEN MADE BY SAID EMPIRE but another man like yourself, go ahead. However, don't drag the rest of us capsuleers to your level with arbitrary restrictions.
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