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CrestoftheStars Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2008.05.16 13:01:00 - [1] just wondering, will there be a restriction on the ships you use at war? just seem silly that you would be using gallente ships to fight gallente or caldari to fight caldari... it would be nice with some kind of bonus to the racial ships, so that the rp element could just stay a little. it is already kind of wierd that there are more then just one type of ships. meaning if every one used each others tech instead of inventing it's own, then it would at some point become the same elements in the construction of the ships, so there most be a reason why the races chose to use their own ship designs. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.05.17 05:24:00 - [2] /drunk on dunno, I think is like... the ships we build are pretty generic... their original design was by the 4 different factions, but now, everybody who can be plugged in can use them....and that the parts are well.. more or less the same... and yeah, the technology is shared... =P is in the backstory... the most recent mention of it was.. oh remember the jump freighter news thingies? Core complexion was forced to share the tech.. and dunvole for maurader techs... and Concord... concord ships are the results of all the empire's techs + alot of extra funding. so yeah, the same elements of the systems are in the T1 ships =P if you think about it... it HAS to be the case...since any factory in the universe with the plans and raw materials can build them (T1)... so... they have to be pretty standardized across the board....(the parts for T1 ships) heck, take capital ship for example.. the engines for caldari dreads and Gallente dreads are the same parts.. just one have more than the other...the only difference is how the parts being put together.... so... yeah... I wouldnt be surpsied if theres no restrictions.. remember... all the factions in eve are humans... the RP element would be weird if Aliens species using the same ships... (or normal humans using jov ships.) but hey, we are all humans...so... yeah, the weirdness at worst might seem like an American solider to carry an C-14 instead of M-16.... but hey, in factional warfare.. those who join become militias.. and we all know how militias are a bunch of rabble..... so I dont think whatever we would be any problems... hell, even in real life.. most parts for everything is made in China.... the part just gets put together differently =P /me drunk still on.
Wren Alterana Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic	Posted - 2008.05.17 05:27:00 - [3] I two would like to see some race vs. race battles, maybe if you sign up with a certain faction then that faction gives you additional bonuses to ships of their race, nothing o drastic but enough to convince people to fly with their races ships. _________ Dynamic Maps
Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.17 05:46:00 - [4] And if you try to board a ship from a conflicting faction, you automatically get pod'd in the station -------------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you! \| --------------------------------------------------
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.05.17 05:53:00 - [5] Personally I think that faction warfare opens the door for race-specific tech, now that the girly-jove fairness is broken by war and each faction will try and develop tech that will give them an edge in battle (and not share it since warring factions usually don't do that). Who knows though. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
AKULA UrQuan Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.17 05:57:00 - [6] I have no problems with shooting my fellow caldari while driveing a caldari ship. Why be a patroit when you can be rich?
LiLChris06 hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.17 06:56:00 - [7] If there was a bonus it would have to be something simple and equal to every1 I would think 2x shield/armor/structure. So if your with Gallente faction, and fly amarr, you wont get the 2x bonus. Unless devs wanna go through the hassle of balancing everything out (if they havent already)
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.17 07:09:00 - [8] Yup, that'd be as crazy as Soviets using American bombers. Seriously though, the Caldari would be ****ed to see a Raven coming at them spewing torps, but why would the Gallente prevent you from using one? As a rule, they'd rather have you in a Raven than an Incursus. Friendly fire isn't that big an issue when all the targeting is done by overview anyways.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.17 07:14:00 - [9] CCP has not said anything about ship restrictions, so it's proper to assume: no, there wouldn't be - at least in terms of race. There will be complexes involved in this, and a lot of them will be having size restrictions. Most of them were said to be mostly cruiser size restrictions. The biggest and most important ones I believe will be anything-goes - I could be off though, but the general idea of what I am saying is what CCP has said in the live-dev blog. As for the solar systems, they will be treated no differantly then any other solar system, sec status will determine weither or not capitals are allowed. CCP has not really said a whole lot yet - so we'll have to see, but for now - there is no indication of racial restrictions, and I would imagine CCP is smart enough to not make a restriction like that. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.05.17 07:41:00 - [10] I hope there is ship restrictions, if not FW is pointless. In it for the state
WhiteSavage Altruism. Malice.	Posted - 2008.05.17 08:36:00 - [11] It would be disapointing if you could join any faction you have standings with and fly any ship... race vs race would be what all these movies/pictures are implying? If this becomes another ragtag pvp op... meh ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.05.17 09:09:00 - [12] Edited by: Jason Edwards on 17/05/2008 09:10:15 No ship restrictions. No ship bonuses. You will get tons more tags so thusly buying mods and such with lp will be easy. They likely will be boosting the faction ships to make them far more appealing and cheaper most likely. So using an Apoc navy issue is a good option and it may only cost 200mil or something. Oh the only restrictions are actually the deadspace restrictions. There will be some black rise systems which are 1/10 deadspace only and such. MWD though will be activated.
Won Swunglow Caldari Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.17 10:07:00 - [13] Whats wrong with using the enemies weapons against them?? When it comes down to it, a ship is just a means to an end I can say for sure I'll be using Amarr ships with minie weapons, nowt wrong with that in my book
Raem Civrie Firma Civrie	Posted - 2008.05.17 10:45:00 - [14] I sincerely doubt it. I'm not the only one that went deep specialization outside my race's weapons and ships. The empires are damn well happy to get what they can anyway. ---

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:39:00 - [15] No. The only factional distinctions being made are based on factional standings. Your race, bloodline and ship type have no effect. The only thing the empires care about is if you're trusted or not.

Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216 San Matari.	Posted - 2008.05.17 11:42:00 - [16] Ships carrying pilots with alliance membership cannot take part. San Matari Official forums
Taedrin Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:09:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Greyscale No. The only factional distinctions being made are based on factional standings. Your race, bloodline and ship type have no effect. The only thing the empires care about is if you're trusted or not. Hurray for Gallente pilots who fight for the Amarr in Minmatar ships! I blame cross-training.
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: CCP Greyscale No. The only factional distinctions being made are based on factional standings. Your race, bloodline and ship type have no effect. The only thing the empires care about is if you're trusted or not. Hurray for Gallente pilots who fight for the Amarr in Minmatar ships! I blame cross-training. This ^^ CCP please be reasonable. FW without Gallenteans flying Gallente and Amarr flying Amarr is pointless. Isnt it supposed to be FACTION warfare, not mixed fleets like any other fight in EVE? Pure fleets will also be a great tool for you when it comes to ship balance as you will clearly see the different races against eachother. In it for the state
Jakus Cemendur Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:17:00 - [19] But then you reduce a whole lot of variety if you restrict it, plus it makes no sense to restrict pilots who've crosstrained, and whol fly ships that are not of the same race as they will fight for.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Haakon Jarl CCP please be reasonable. FW without Gallenteans flying Gallente and Amarr flying Amarr is pointless. Isnt it supposed to be FACTION warfare, not mixed fleets like any other fight in EVE? Pure fleets will also be a great tool for you when it comes to ship balance as you will clearly see the different races against eachother. Yes. Make sure to alienate as many players as possible – it's the penultimate sign of reasonableness.
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:26:00 - [21] Restricting ship types for little more than aesthetic reasons is a poor way to go and certainly won't encourage people to get into faction warfare. You "could" offer incentives to use that factions particular ships such as LP or a slight bonus to standings when you make kills in them (e.g. if you're signed up to the Gallente Federation you get slightly better standings boosts or some LP when you make kills with Gallente ships).
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Haakon Jarl CCP please be reasonable. FW without Gallenteans flying Gallente and Amarr flying Amarr is pointless. Isnt it supposed to be FACTION warfare, not mixed fleets like any other fight in EVE? Pure fleets will also be a great tool for you when it comes to ship balance as you will clearly see the different races against eachother. Well...on paper it seems like restricting FW to only that faction's ships would be neat but as a practical matter forget it. Like it or not EVE has never restricted pilots from training to fly whatever they want. Most see this as a good thing rather than choosing to be (say) Gallente at the outset and then forever being stuck with Gallente only ships. As a result for 5 years players have cross trained all sorts of things. Restricting players to race only ships would gimp most every player in the game. Additionally, without some serious re-balancing of ships, race only ships for PvP are distinctly unbalanced. Minmatar would frankly wipe the floor with Amarr no problem. It's not even kinda close there. Gallente likewise have a distinct advantage over Caldari in this respect although not as prnounced as the Min/Amarr imbalance. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Andrest Disch Amarr Debitum Naturae Wrath.	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Haakon Jarl This ^^ CCP please be reasonable. FW without Gallenteans flying Gallente and Amarr flying Amarr is pointless. Isnt it supposed to be FACTION warfare, not mixed fleets like any other fight in EVE? Pure fleets will also be a great tool for you when it comes to ship balance as you will clearly see the different races against eachother. Because the freedom to roll Minmatar and then speciliase in Gallente is completely against the Eve sandbox theory. And anyways, do you really want to have to fight a fleet of blackbirds with no way to jam them back?
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Tippia Yes. Make sure to alienate as many players as possible û it's the penultimate sign of reasonableness. Pretty please, explain how it would be to alienate players? Last time I checked, the amarr empire had amarrians in it, and the Gallente federation had Gallenteans in it. In it for the state
Haakon Jarl Caldari direkte	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Andrest Disch Because the freedom to roll Minmatar and then speciliase in Gallente is completely against the Eve sandbox theory. And anyways, do you really want to have to fight a fleet of blackbirds with no way to jam them back? The Minmatar that has specialized in Gallente are still free to use his Gallente ships elsewhere. I thought FW was supposed to be a RP element. If thats not correct then my bad. In it for the state
Jakus Cemendur Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Haakon Jarl Originally by: Tippia Yes. Make sure to alienate as many players as possible û it's the penultimate sign of reasonableness. Pretty please, explain how it would be to alienate players? Last time I checked, the amarr empire had amarrians in it, and the Gallente federation had Gallenteans in it. Because quite a few players cross train(e.g i'm Caldari but I can only fly a few Caldari ships but I can fly a lot of Gallente ones), meaning they would be screwed, plus it would be ridiculously unbalanced.
Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:38:00 - [27] Edited by: Syniztur on 17/05/2008 12:40:01 Originally by: CCP Greyscale No. The only factional distinctions being made are based on factional standings. Your race, bloodline and ship type have no effect. The only thing the empires care about is if you're trusted or not. Weak. I mean, I've read all of your arguments/comments here. But think about it, it's supposed to be more RP based. And if you were really interested in RP, would you really be cross-training? Probably not. Those who opted to cross train back in the day obviously had no intention of ever worrying about the RP aspect of the game. It only ever becomes an issue when it affects someone. Who cares if you cross trained. Roll a RP character then you can FW with the rest of the RPers. Otherwise, you are really only wanting to take the 'fish in a barrel' aspect of it and be looking in from the outside... trying to reap the rewards of easy warfare that you aren't actually involved in. Edited: cuz I can't spell -------------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you*! \| --------------------------------------------------
Forge Lag	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:42:00 - [28] My Republic Fleet Overdrive has this republicFleetBonusMultiplier = 1.02 data entry. Does it do anything? Could it do anything? Could the functionality be expanded?
Kieranda Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Haakon Jarl Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: CCP Greyscale No. The only factional distinctions being made are based on factional standings. Your race, bloodline and ship type have no effect. The only thing the empires care about is if you're trusted or not. Hurray for Gallente pilots who fight for the Amarr in Minmatar ships! I blame cross-training. This ^^ CCP please be reasonable. FW without Gallenteans flying Gallente and Amarr flying Amarr is pointless. Isnt it supposed to be FACTION warfare, not mixed fleets like any other fight in EVE? Pure fleets will also be a great tool for you when it comes to ship balance as you will clearly see the different races against eachother. to use a real poor RL analogy: in WW2 it was actually very common that armies used the equipment that was left behind by the enemy and still usable, ie Germans using Soviet T-34 tanks, Soviets using German tanks and so on so why shouldn't a gallente player fly something different than a gallente vessel?
Jakus Cemendur Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Syniztur Edited by: Syniztur on 17/05/2008 12:40:01 Originally by: CCP Greyscale No. The only factional distinctions being made are based on factional standings. Your race, bloodline and ship type have no effect. The only thing the empires care about is if you're trusted or not. Weak. I mean, I've read all of your arguments/comments here. But think about it, it's supposed to be more RP based. And if you were really interested in RP, would you really be cross-training? Probably not. Those who opted to cross train back in the day obviously had no intention of ever worrying about the RP aspect of the game. It only ever becomes an issue when it affects someone. Who cares if you cross trained. Roll a RP character then you can FW with the rest of the RPers. Otherwise, you are really only wanting to take the 'fish in a barrel' aspect of it and be looking in from the outside... trying to reap the rewards of easy warfare that you aren't actually involved in. *Edited: cuz I can't spell Well I actually intend to take part in it fully even doing some RP, and I'm someone who's cross trained to Gallente ships. I haven't decided whether I'll fight for Gallente or Caldari, but if i fight for the Caldari it would absolutely suck to have a year of skill training to be good at flying Gallente ships be useless. It will also mean more people get invovled and not just RPers, which is CCPs obvious intention.

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