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Geraldo	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:53:00 - [1] I'm running this for solo pvp, can anyone tell me how it is? 4 Heavy Pulse II 1 Medium Focused Pulse II AB II Web Disruptor MAR II 3 Heat Sink IIs 1 WCS 800mm Rolled Tungsten Active Thermic Hardener Haven't Rigged it yet although. Any suggestions for that? Any improvements or critisism welcome :)
Euriti Gallente Caritas.	Posted - 2008.05.17 12:59:00 - [2] Originally by: Geraldo 1 WCS what? WHAT? WHAT?!?!
Deathhawk Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:00:00 - [3] get out...
Geraldo	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Euriti Originally by: Geraldo 1 WCS what? WHAT? WHAT?!?! what where? :D
Euriti Gallente Caritas.	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Geraldo Originally by: Euriti Originally by: Geraldo 1 WCS what? WHAT? WHAT?!?! what where? :D WCS, all fine if you wanna lock as fast as a BS, but you wont.
Geraldo	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:18:00 - [6] well im more sort of thinking if it ends up 2v1 and i get sunk.
Euriti Gallente Caritas.	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:20:00 - [7] Then they'll have 2 points and you'll be ******.
Geraldo	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:26:00 - [8] ok screw the WCS. can you help me out? :D Btw that 800mm Takes me to about 7k armor
Cpt Constantinus Celestial Janissaries	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:28:00 - [9] Replace the ab with an mwd, otherwise you wont be able to use the Zealot's range advantage. With just an ab every single battlecruiser/battleship (assuming that they have an mwd, which is very likely ) will be fast enough to get close and gank you hard.
Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:36:00 - [10] Why the hell you've to start yet another thread about the Zealot? There's 5 allready during the last week opened. Maybe you wanna look into them first? .
fkingfurious	Posted - 2008.05.17 13:37:00 - [11] 5x HP II 10MN MWD II, Webber II, WD II 800RT, 3x HS II, 2x ANP II ( c-types if you can afford 10 mill each), DCU II 2x Trimarks The C-types are well worth the isk, as 10 mill isnt a massive cost and they are only .44% less effective than an EANM II, and use no CPU. With 5 HPII's fitted the Zealot has massive CPU issues so theyre a godsend.
Inoue Zael Sa'ju Kal	Posted - 2008.05.17 14:57:00 - [12] Everytime you put a plate on a zealot, minmatar slaves throw ***** at their amarr masters. Taken from my post in another (one of a billion) zealot thread "if you want to be an asset to the gang, and want to make most of the new turret slot there is only way to go: Nano-zealot. Why nano? If you try to fit any decent armor tank on it, you will have to restrict yourself to FMP's at which point you might as well fly a harbinger. A nano zealot with HP II's will have add great dps in a small gang with almost a 40km engagement range and still be able to GTFO if things go south. There are many variations of the nano setup, but id go with something like this: Hi: 5x HP II Mid: shadow serpentis 10mn mwd II, Disruptor II, Medium electro inj Low: 'meditation' MAR, DC II, 2x HS II, 2x OD I, 1x I-Stab ii/another OD II 2x poly carb rigs Ninja edit: forgot to add. Unless you have AWU V, you'll need a 3% pg rig to make it fit. An easy solution would be to change one of the guns to an FMP. The dps loss is negligible With 2 od's you still hit a respectable 3.4km/s w/o overheat. Goes up to 3.8 if you swap the I-stab for another OD. Nimble fast gang dps at its best"
fkingfurious	Posted - 2008.05.17 15:20:00 - [13] The nano-Zealot is great and all but for 2 MASSIVE flaws. A) It's going to get nerfed along with all the other silly nano-ships B) PolyCarbons currently cost over 50million EACH, which is a **** load to fit to a 75mill ship. Without Polycarbs a nano-Zealot is distinctly meh.. And anyways, it is easy to fit a plated buffer setup with an MWD and 3 HSII, which still gives you massive DPS at 40KM and doesnt cost like 200mill to fit. If you drop a Tri-mark you can also fit an optimal rig to push the your range out even further.
Inoue Zael Sa'ju Kal	Posted - 2008.05.17 15:43:00 - [14] Originally by: fkingfurious And anyways, it is easy to fit a plated buffer setup with an MWD and 3 HSII, which still gives you massive DPS at 40KM and doesnt cost like 200mill to fit. If you drop a Tri-mark you can also fit an optimal rig to push the your range out even further. Except a harbinger will outdps, outtank, and be waay cheaper than the zealot with plates. It wont have the 40km range, but the other abilities more than make up for it. Nano zealot is the only way to fly. A harbinger is better than a armortanking plate zealot in almost every way
Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.05.17 20:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Inoue Zael Originally by: fkingfurious And anyways, it is easy to fit a plated buffer setup with an MWD and 3 HSII, which still gives you massive DPS at 40KM and doesnt cost like 200mill to fit. If you drop a Tri-mark you can also fit an optimal rig to push the your range out even further. Except a harbinger will outdps, outtank, and be waay cheaper than the zealot with plates. It wont have the 40km range, but the other abilities more than make up for it. Nano zealot is the only way to fly. A harbinger is better than a armortanking plate zealot in almost every way Except a plated Zealot can still outmanouver a Harbinger. Fly your nano-Zealot, with no tank while you're still able to do so. It was stated in the live Dev-Blog from last month (or two allready?) that they're thinking of killing nano-cruisers by making every speed-enhancing mods and rigs stack with each other -> no more HACs above 2.5-3km/sec except the Vagabond. The Zealot is ment to be a hard tank, that's why there's those 7 low-slots. It's not easy, as Heavy Pulses use alot of powergrid, but speedtanks do simply not work with armor-tanking. You don't have the energy to run a rep, nor do you have self-healing armor, like a double LSE II Vaga. So, use it as heavy support-cruiser or damage-monster, but don't nano it ffs. .
Inoue Zael Sa'ju Kal	Posted - 2008.05.18 00:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Grytok Fly your nano-Zealot, with no tank I fail to see how you can fit any decent sort of armor tank on with 5 HP II's. Originally by: Grytok speedtanks do simply not work with armor-tanking. You don't have the energy to run a rep, nor do you have self-healing armor, like a double LSE II Vaga. You do not run the rep constantly during a fight, you use it for mostly after fight repairs. If you fit 5 HP II's, you will have a CRAP armor tank. You can either nano it, have 1 rep for after fights, and be really nimble, Or if you're so adamant about not nano-ing it, you can fit at best an MAR ii, and some resist mods and be slow and die the moment something sneezes at you. And if you want to go down to FMP's to fit an armor tank, fly a harbinger. Zealot has more manuevaribility? whoopdedoo. If you're in a gang that manuevaribilitiy wont matter (as dps and tanking ability will be more valuable). And if you're solo? you being more manueverable than a harbinger still doesnt mean much as the only time it will actually matter is escaping camps or from slower ships (in which case a nano zealot will be much more effective at)
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.18 00:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Inoue Zael Originally by: Grytok Fly your nano-Zealot, with no tank I fail to see how you can fit any decent sort of armor tank on with 5 HP II's. Originally by: Grytok speedtanks do simply not work with armor-tanking. You don't have the energy to run a rep, nor do you have self-healing armor, like a double LSE II Vaga. You do not run the rep constantly during a fight, you use it for mostly after fight repairs. If you fit 5 HP II's, you will have a CRAP armor tank. You can either nano it, have 1 rep for after fights, and be really nimble, Or if you're so adamant about not nano-ing it, you can fit at best an MAR ii, and some resist mods and be slow and die the moment something sneezes at you. And if you want to go down to FMP's to fit an armor tank, fly a harbinger. Zealot has more manuevaribility? whoopdedoo. If you're in a gang that manuevaribilitiy wont matter (as dps and tanking ability will be more valuable). And if you're solo? you being more manueverable than a harbinger still doesnt mean much as the only time it will actually matter is escaping camps or from slower ships (in which case a nano zealot will be much more effective at) Yea, harb beats the zealot at armour tanking Another thing is survivability, if you armour tank, you will most likely die sooner than later, and its better for your wallet to lose a insured bc than a expensive hac harb also has the holy 4 mids, nuff said Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
fkingfurious	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:09:00 - [18] You're still ignoring the fact that the nano-Zealot IS GOING TO GET NERFED. And while comparisons to the Harbinger are entirely valid no-one seems to have got the idea that at 40KM a Zealot out-damages a Harbinger by a country mile. Depending on fit and skills a Zealot can do anything up to 450DPS at 40KM. A Harbinger, with THREE range mods does practically zero DPS at 40KM.
Kano Sekor Amarr modro CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.05.18 13:21:00 - [19] This fitting is not >9000 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.18 14:52:00 - [20] An important advantage of the Zealot over the Harbinger is the fact you can dish out decent DPS of 30km+. This allows you to remain outside the range of Energy Neutralizers.
Inoue Zael Sa'ju Kal	Posted - 2008.05.18 15:06:00 - [21] Originally by: fkingfurious You're still ignoring the fact that the nano-Zealot IS GOING TO GET NERFED. Not flying a ship now because it might get nerfed in the future is just silly. As it stands, a nano-zealot will outperform an armor tanking zealot. We dont know when the nerf is coming, and until then, the nano-zealot is the better choice. Originally by: Deviana Sevidon An important advantage of the Zealot over the Harbinger is the fact you can dish out decent DPS of 30km+. This allows you to remain outside the range of Energy Neutralizers. This is true. The zealot does outrange the harbinger and this is an important asset. However, to make most of this range, you must be able to outmaneuver your opponents and get into this range to make it worth while. Somethign an armor tanking non-nano zealot cannot do.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Shadows Incursion	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:47:00 - [22] The only reason a Nano-zealot is a good choice is because Nano is good, not because it's how the Zealot is supposed to be fitted. Are there any HAC's that outperform their nanoed versions with a non-nano version? -----sig-starts-here------
Inoue Zael Sa'ju Kal	Posted - 2008.05.18 17:49:00 - [23] both the armor tanked ishtar/sacrilege have their pros in certain situations over thier nano counerpart What does Jury rigging V do? Originally by: Viqtoria make courtrooms swing in your favour more often.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Shadows Incursion	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Inoue Zael both the armor tanked ishtar/sacrilege have their pros in certain situations over thier nano counerpart Maybe the Sac, but I have not seen an armor tanked Ishtar for a while. I mean a long time. -----sig-starts-here------
Inoue Zael Sa'ju Kal	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:06:00 - [25] true, though i believe most people try to cram med sized blasters on an isthar, which gimps their tank. a light neutron blaster, dual repped armor tanking ishtar is pretty impressive. You just gotta use some not so cpu-intensive mods (cuz ishtar is cpu gimped like crazy) What does Jury rigging V do? Originally by: Viqtoria make courtrooms swing in your favour more often.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Shadows Incursion	Posted - 2008.05.18 18:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Inoue Zael true, though i believe most people try to cram med sized blasters on an isthar, which gimps their tank. a light neutron blaster, dual repped armor tanking ishtar is pretty impressive. You just gotta use some not so cpu-intensive mods (cuz ishtar is cpu gimped like crazy) My CEO has something like that, but it's the only armor tanked Ishtar I know. The nano one is quite a bit more versatile and survives more. Of course everything nanoed works now. -----sig-starts-here------

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