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Kizz Rules
Blue. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.19 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kizz Rules on 19/05/2008 15:09:17 just one more reason not to be part of a huge alliance.If the CEO isn't stealing Motherships, he is removing his corp and finding a route back to empire.
1.Mandatory ops 2.Corp wallet, yup your not allowed to even look 3.Nope you will not post on COAD cause Im the boss and Im working out an uber diplomatic plan 4.Yes we will refund for capital losses NO we will not refund for your BSs
I would really love to see what a good group of PvPrs would do with the amazing logistics that BRUCE was?is? capable of pulling off.
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haveyou seenthisman
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:15:00 -
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** NEWSFLASH **
BRUCE corp has left BRUCE and taken approx. 50 Bn in assets including sov towers.
** STOP **
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar Phoenix Division
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Posted - 2008.05.19 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lrrp I suggest you check around as Bruce had a one day nap with Huzzah when Bruce was pulling out of PC-9. There was quite a number of COE and Bruce pilots that can attest to it.
For about 12 hours, and even then some Huzzah members kept shooting anyway.
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:23:00 -
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I stand corrected then.
BRUCE is still #3 alliance even though they've lost 1k players in the last 2 weeks or so. Notoriety Alliance Recruitment |
Thelying dutchman
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:32:00 -
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Actually,
Total left since - 20.04.08 - 1083 Members
we're keeping track
Oh and before the alt corp trolls come in. The loss of all these members has nothing to do with PL, I have reliable info that this is all due to "internal restructuring".
Have a nice day
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Mr McDee
Ancient Crew
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere I stand corrected then.
BRUCE is still #3 alliance even though they've lost 1k players in the last 2 weeks or so.
Like the numbers mean anything. Look at how the goons failure cascading... ;)
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EzSnake
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:48:00 -
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Could be losing ppl due to showin such crap FC'n and 0.0 Fleet tactics/setups
Can anyone say ISS/ASCN - reformed??? (seemed that way to me, the 3 mo's I was in Bruce)
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Lrrp
Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2008.05.20 14:54:00 -
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Part of the loss is FOOM leaving, part non pvp'ers packing up to go make isk elsewhere. Eventually a hardcore set of Bruce pvp'ers will remain.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Astasia Orian on 20/05/2008 16:18:38
Originally by: Kizz Rules I would really love to see what a good group of PvPrs would do with the amazing logistics that BRUCE was?is? capable of pulling off.
A huge pile of selfish carebears isn't logistics. It's just a load of people making personal isk who will either disappear or whine destructively when the **** hits the fan. These people are usually the reason the **** hits the fan in the first place as everyone else is like holy **** there are semi-afk npcing ravens and unscouted bs in every system/gate around here.
Seems like no matter how many 'industry' alliances rise and fall (horribly), this never seems to sink in.
Also hooray for Y-2!
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Honest Nonlabor
Amarr IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.20 18:27:00 -
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I left for the simple reaon that im a PURE pVper. Those who knew me could attest that i would always be ina gang, camp, op, SOMETHING, everytime i logged on every day. Hell i was one of those who moved to y-2 just for more shooty.
But man, the fleet fits are TERRIBLE for a real 0.0 conflict. It was obvious from the very first time we fielded them that they had major weaknesses. That and the FC's just didnt know how to take advantage of any other ship types or fittings. My sniper maelstrom just collected dust, being told to warp into a gang at 0 in it is just idiotic. Same for the HAC pilots, they were mostly ignored in engagements wherer a hac/recon gang could make a serious difference.
Ah well, theyll either figure it out (fast!) or die trying. Lots of good people in bruce though, good guys to fly with (heh and some of them ke3ep in contact). Ill try and make a visit this weekend for a bit of ole-time yarring
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BobbySteelz
Hemp Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.20 18:40:00 -
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Does seem like PL are helping bruce to get rid of all the incompetant, lazy leeches from inside thier ranks. Isn't it good for a alliance though that they will be getting rid of all the people that can't handle the pressure once things get tough and keep around those willing to stand and fight?
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Borar
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Posted - 2008.05.20 19:10:00 -
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PL also will die when they stay in fountain . They never can beat the BOBS alone .
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The mafioso
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Posted - 2008.05.20 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did. Your contribution isn't a **** in a can compared to what FOOM did for BRUCE, and we surely don't come here smacking you. Learn respect, whelp.
Undeniably FOOM started Bruce, FOOM also managed to kill Bruce, as soon as things went badly, FOOM pulled out. You have the audacity to talk about your contribution? No one cares what it was any more, because at the end of the day your efforts failed. FOOM should be recognized for being the first people to jump off a sinking boat nothing more. For the record Fried your failure in the political arena was similar to sir molle, "lets pull a bob and make enemies with everyone. great plan" Only difference Sir molle didn't run for the hills, and he brought BOB once again to the forefront.
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Steph Wing
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.20 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Steph Wing on 20/05/2008 20:08:42
Originally by: Kizz Rules Edited by: Kizz Rules on 19/05/2008 15:09:17 just one more reason not to be part of a huge alliance.If the CEO isn't stealing Motherships, he is removing his corp and finding a route back to empire.
1.Mandatory ops 2.Corp wallet, yup your not allowed to even look 3.Nope you will not post on COAD cause Im the boss and Im working out an uber diplomatic plan 4.Yes we will refund for capital losses NO we will not refund for your BSs
I would really love to see what a good group of PvPrs would do with the amazing logistics that BRUCE was?is? capable of pulling off.
I'm pretty sure none of these are true for BRUCE. Except for #3. ---
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 20:55:00 -
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I don't think PL had much to do with BRUCE's current state. You guys just happened to be who was shooting them when their Executor decided to play 'ream the alliance'.
That particular game does way more for crushing morale and flattening membership than getting shot a bit does.
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toto moor
Eve Corporate Enterprise
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:00:00 -
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So crushing them in every fight, taking all their high end moons, and destroying their cap fleet had nothing to do with it?
Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: toto moor So crushing them in every fight, taking all their high end moons, and destroying their cap fleet had nothing to do with it?
Generally what you've listed is only relevant if the alliance already has internal issues. Effectively preexisting problems were revealed. It is merely a matter of who is there to create the final crisis.
Often when leadership bails from an alliance/corp it is a very good indicator of massive internal issues. And no, losses like you described don't count as "internal issues".
Listen to Mistress Suffering. *whistles*
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Elektrea
Minmatar Happy hOur Mining and industry Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: toto moor So crushing them in every fight, taking all their high end moons, and destroying their cap fleet had nothing to do with it?
Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
They destroyed our cap fleet?
Happy HOur Minning and Industry
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Elektrea
Originally by: toto moor So crushing them in every fight, taking all their high end moons, and destroying their cap fleet had nothing to do with it?
Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
They destroyed our cap fleet?
5 dreads and 9 carriers, but hey if you got more, by all means bring them out and chase us off
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Honest Nonlabor But man, the fleet fits are TERRIBLE for a real 0.0 conflict. It was obvious from the very first time we fielded them that they had major weaknesses. That and the FC's just didnt know how to take advantage of any other ship types or fittings.
So, you identified the problem, devised a solution and then.... resigned to go to another alliance. "So long and thanks for all the fish" I guess.
By the way, and completely off-topic: Ancient Norwegian Blue?
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Steph Wing
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: toto moor Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
Since the BRUCE killboards are password-protected, I'm guessing that question is rhetorical? ---
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Efdi
Minmatar Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.05.20 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Steph Wing
Originally by: Kizz Rules
3.Nope you will not post on COAD cause Im the boss and Im working out an uber diplomatic plan
I'm pretty sure none of these are true for BRUCE. Except for #3.
And yet here you are. TGRAD too good to follow the rules now? _______________________________ Yes, I am an alt. No, I can't post with my main; he's forum banned. Yes, I will be happy to smack you with my main when I'm unbanned. |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 21/05/2008 00:13:21
Originally by: Efdi And yet here you are. TGRAD too good to follow the rules now?
For the record, BRUCE leadership has never banned posting on COAD. Fried's forum sig said something like "Posting on COAD makes baby Jesus cry" and there were other intimations that he'd "eat your face" if you did. And now Fried is no more a part of BRUCE leadership. So there you go.
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Abe Achura
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel For the record, BRUCE leadership has never banned posting on COAD.
Wrong. Both on the old boards and the new boards.
Go look for the post labeled "CAOD Posting Ban".
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Efdi
Minmatar Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 21/05/2008 00:13:21
Originally by: Efdi And yet here you are. TGRAD too good to follow the rules now?
For the record, BRUCE leadership has never banned posting on COAD. Fried's forum sig said something like "Posting on COAD makes baby Jesus cry" and there were other intimations that he'd "eat your face" if you did. And now Fried is no more a part of BRUCE leadership. So there you go.
So what you're saying is "yes"? _______________________________ Yes, I am an alt. No, I can't post with my main; he's forum banned. Yes, I will be happy to smack you with my main when I'm unbanned. |
Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Steph Wing
Originally by: toto moor Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
Since the BRUCE killboards are password-protected, I'm guessing that question is rhetorical?
There is a good reason why they are private
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.21 01:07:00 -
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Quote: I left for the simple reaon that im a PURE pVper. Those who knew me could attest that i would always be ina gang, camp, op, SOMETHING, everytime i logged on every day. Hell i was one of those who moved to y-2 just for more shooty.
Sounds awfully familiar. Except Y-2 in my case would be TA-A7V (syndicate). BRUCE had just surpassed 800 members, which was more than enough to conquer southern syndicate at the time and start making preparations for a move into sovereign space, but instead bruce decided to double its size to 1600 members in 2 months time and cram them all into the 6 system Y4Y constellation (which BRUCE shared with COE), turtling up in PC9 with the other 90-110 blues in local, to ensure the carebears could make ISK. This was important because the number of Battleships a Miner can field is a good metric for determining your alliance's strength during offensive sieges (to take sovereign space), your PVPers don't need isk they can all fly t1 cruisers ofc. Apparently, miners don't spend their ISK on pvp BSes/Caps (who would have guessed?), which is why it was a further 9 months and 600 additional Alliance members before BRUCE finally opted for a risk free avenue into sovereign space.
It really wasn't the size of BRUCE that was the problem, it was the manner in which they brought in new corps. Leadership had a forecast for the entire year including total alliance membership threshholds each month, the goals were disturbingly aggressive (doubling every 2-3 months) and the alliance usually surpassed them each month. There was never time set aside for new corps to be integrated into the Alliance and bond with the other corps/members, which is why BRUCE was held together as a cult of personality via Fried. By the time I left he had already started developing his Messiah complex, though I've heard from friends who stayed in bruce that it got far, far worse.
Because alliance recruitment was all about quantity over quality and they hit their monthly goals one way or another, alot of the adds were bloat/inactives/carebears. Which is why no matter how fast the Alliance expanded, the active gang sizes (in each time zone) was a marginal bump at best, if anything. Not only were the total Alliance numbers completely invalid to measure the alliance's true strength, but the types of players that were being added were pretty risk-adverse (only X up when its a guranteed steamroll vs opposition). Everyone gives props to BRUCE for always showing up and fielding a fleet (win or lose) but even back in the y4y syndicate days there was a divide in fleet numbers. With 300 in Alliance, you'd get 15 x's for any kind of non-defensive op. 50 for Defense Ops if there was a good chance of losing, 150+ if it was an exercise in baby seal clubbing and a guranteed victory (of course BRUCE found ways to lose some of these fights). ie 200man fleets vs a 10man roaming cruiser gang towards the end of their time in Syndicate with 2200+ members + Pets. As the percentage of the membership shifted from the original players/corps to the newer folks, response times and willingness to engage at less than 2:1 odds plummetted. It's nice to be able to field far more than you need to get a job done, but the attitude shifted to where they simply wouldn't undock until fleet size had overwhelming numbers. That's not really a dig on the corporations who joined later, just saying there was a core group who came from Aeschee and actually experienced Syndicate before BRUCE's size made the whole region EZ-mode. Newer corps/players only experience with Synd(and for many, their first 0.0) was large anchored bubbles on the only exit gate and 80-100+ alliance members in local 23/7 guarding the chokepoint system to the whole damn constellation. Any time they needed to leave PC9 a 100 man escort gang was there 3-4 times a week to take them to High Sec and back, along with 15 freighters of course to haul whatever their hearts desired. Notoriety Alliance Recruitment |
teh punisher
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.05.21 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vaelor Sebiestor to play us out, what does that mean, to play us out?
xD
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BobbySteelz
Hemp Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.21 02:49:00 -
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Baby seal clubbing rajere? lol, first time you have made me laugh and I can agree with a few points actually. Bruce definatly brought too many corps/members in too quickly, thus filled with spies and carebears and people that really weren't of the bruce ideas. |
Honest Nonlabor
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.21 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Honest Nonlabor But man, the fleet fits are TERRIBLE for a real 0.0 conflict. It was obvious from the very first time we fielded them that they had major weaknesses. That and the FC's just didnt know how to take advantage of any other ship types or fittings.
So, you identified the problem, devised a solution and then.... resigned to go to another alliance. "So long and thanks for all the fish" I guess.
By the way, and completely off-topic: Ancient Norwegian Blue?
I mentioned several times to FC's my concerns about the fleet fit. HELL MAN, there was a thread for a while in the bruce forums with fleet fit discussion and MANY MANY people were disgusted with the fits. Alot refused to fly entirely in a MK3 because it was like signing a death warrant. For my part i fitted my ships the way they were supposed to be fitted (you know, useful for combat...) once the situation became clear.
And as for going to another alliance....i dunno if you can even call us that. I prefer a "Band of independent business men aligned in a strategic coalition" or something like that. I just shoot first and ask questions later now. No more pos-wars. No more failure cascades. No more lose-lose fleet lag-combat.
See ya in low-sec
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