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Mary Anne
MX3 Development Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.17 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mary Anne on 17/05/2008 20:00:59
Seems as if not only Pandemic Legion and Cruel Intentions take care of the BRUCE, but also BOB and *hear hear* RA as well...
Something along the line: Pandemic Legion starts the day, BOB steps by before lunch, CI opens the server up time and RA comes for dinner. All caring for BRUCE's PNQ station system and having a nice camping time.
How long until BRUCE collapses? Your bets please.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Exxxotic
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:01:00 -
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if they are careful they wont collapse imo.. they just need to trim some fat from there memberbase, and concentrate on a smaller chunk of space to defend, then they will be alot harder to throw out
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:05:00 -
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You heard it here first.
The BoB+RA+PL+CI alliance has been officially formed to destroy BRUCE, by taking turns roaming to PNQY.
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Shinori
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem if they are careful they wont collapse imo.. they just need to trim some fat from there memberbase, and concentrate on a smaller chunk of space to defend, then they will be alot harder to throw out
This is good advice, how come I'v never heard of your alliance? Fountain is large and has many openings, consolidation would be wise, and don't make them along moon mining lines
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Sally Bestonge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shadoo You heard it here first.
The BoB+RA+PL+CI alliance has been officially formed to destroy BRUCE, by taking turns roaming to PNQY.
that's quite the collation you got going on there.
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Attak
Trioptimum Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:18:00 -
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BRUCE will collapse as soon as an alliance with a larger cap fleet decides they want their space. No sov 4, not enough supercaps, and too many carebears is just way too enticing of a target.
Personally though, I think CI is just jealous that BRUCE survived longer than TRI
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Kyguard
Black Sea Industries Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kyguard on 17/05/2008 20:32:29
Originally by: Shinori
Originally by: Xtreem if they are careful they wont collapse imo.. they just need to trim some fat from there memberbase, and concentrate on a smaller chunk of space to defend, then they will be alot harder to throw out
This is good advice, how come I'v never heard of your alliance? Fountain is large and has many openings, consolidation would be wise, and don't make them along moon mining lines
Good advice from an unknown alliance isn't good advice? Just fyi, Xtreem is 10 times the pilot you will ever be. -
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:35:00 -
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hi, I'm here for the gangbang?
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:49:00 -
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Hello, I heard there is a NAPTrain going, can we still join?
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Helen
coracao ardente Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Attak BRUCE will collapse as soon as an alliance with a larger cap fleet decides they want their space. No sov 4, not enough supercaps, and too many carebears is just way too enticing of a target.
Personally though, I think CI is just jealous that BRUCE survived longer than TRI
Wait what alliances have you been again?
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Lea Re
Caldari Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.05.17 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Helen
Wait what alliances have you been in again?
That's the so called 'first-hand experience' ;]. People (including myself) from alliances that collapsed usually know best when such an entity is about to suffer from similar fate.
And BRUCE won't collapse. Mayhap, they will lose the territory and assets but I highly doubt they will collapse, if they haven't changed much in the last half a year or so.
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Tommy Foofoo
Caldari Molden Heath Gentlemen's Society
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Posted - 2008.05.17 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Anne Edited by: Mary Anne on 17/05/2008 20:00:59
Seems as if not only Pandemic Legion and Cruel Intentions take care of the BRUCE, but also BOB and *hear hear* RA as well...
Something along the line: Pandemic Legion starts the day, BOB steps by before lunch, CI opens the server up time and RA comes for dinner. All caring for BRUCE's PNQ station system and having a nice camping time.
How long until BRUCE collapses? Your bets please.
They can't collapse until that little powerbloc you've got going on there comes up with a good name for itself.
PanBobic Intentions Alliance?
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Faekurias
Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.17 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Faekurias on 17/05/2008 22:08:21
Originally by: Tommy Foofoo
They can't collapse until that little powerbloc you've got going on there comes up with a good name for itself.
PanBobic Intentions Alliance?
I've figured out their themesong :O Lyrics goes like this :" Союз нерушимый республик свободных Сплотила навеки Великая Русь! Да здравствует созданный волей народов Единый, могучий Советский Союз!
ПРИПЕВ:
Славься, Отечество наше свободное, Дружбы народов надёжный оплот! Партия Ленина ù сила народная Нас к торжеству коммунизма ведёт!
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Сквозь грозы сияло нам солнце свободы, И Ленин великий нам путь озарил: На правое дело он поднял народы, На труд и на подвиги нас вдохновил!
ПРИПЕВ
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В победе бессмертных идей коммунизма Мы видим грядущее нашей страны, И Красному знамени славной Отчизны Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны!
ПРИПЕВ "
(Btw "ПРИПЕВ" = Chorus, hence repeated CAPS for TOMCRUISECONTROL.) Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected] |
Zetjur Jilnou
Rapid Deployment Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.17 22:19:00 -
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Rumor has it that BRUCE's last POS in Y-2ANO is being reinforced by BoB, and that BoB's POS's there will take sov shortly.
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GO MaZ
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.17 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury hi, I'm here for the gangbang?
hello there
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.17 22:43:00 -
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Well everyone goes visit BRUCE because it is a fact they give out a ton of fights. You just have to wait and when they feel confident after assembling their sniper/rr hybrid group they will come out for you, instead of just ignoring you or dropping some titans into ya face.
This leads to them losing a ton of ships, but fact is they also keep coming back - so I can only assume if this pressure hasnt broken them already, then it is consolidating a core of pvpers that by now must know each other and like flying together. Ok - they probably arent masters at pvp or fcing as of now, but eve isnt a very complicated game and once a solid core of players sticking together is established its downhill from there. Honestly, right now, I think I see people like AAA disbanding more likely than BRUCE disbanding. I mean TRI anyone?
- Gob
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.17 23:16:00 -
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I endorse this highly original and most definately accurate thread.
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.17 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy Foofoo
PanBobic Intentions Alliance?
I support the creation of PanBobic Intentions Alliance
Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
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Avoheja
Caldari The Venture Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.17 23:25:00 -
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Quote: В победе бессмертных идей коммунизма Мы видим грядущее нашей страны, И Красному знамени славной Отчизны Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны!
My favorite part ^^
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Marko Zhang
Destructive Flatulence
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Posted - 2008.05.17 23:26:00 -
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napfests like the BoB+RA+PL+CI alliance are ruining the game imho
--- A Zen Koan: BoB come to system, lag was very bad.
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Faekurias
Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.17 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Avoheja
Quote: В победе бессмертных идей коммунизма Мы видим грядущее нашей страны, И Красному знамени славной Отчизны Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны!
My favorite part ^^
"In the victory of the immortal ideals of communism we see the future of our country, and we will always be selflessly true to the Red Banner of the glorious fatherland!" <- Something like that. Quite deep yes Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected] |
JonShannow
Caldari Raptus Regaliter Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.18 00:16:00 -
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Posts in a pl, ci, and the rest, we cant beat bob so lets attack bruce and be bob pets instead thread.
OOPS did I say that out loud
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kublai
Caldari Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: JonShannow Posts in a pl, ci, and the rest, we cant beat bob so lets attack bruce and be bob pets instead thread.
OOPS did I say that out loud
The last time I had standings to bob they were blue, the day I set goons anything but red will be a cold day in hell indeed, maggot.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: JonShannow Posts in a pl, ci, and the rest, we cant beat bob so lets attack bruce and be bob pets instead thread.
OOPS did I say that out loud
Sadly you did, making your alliance look even more awful.
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: JonShannow Posts in a pl, ci, and the rest, we cant beat bob so lets attack bruce and be bob pets instead thread.
OOPS did I say that out loud
BRUCE CAOD ban is still in effect, btw, and posters like you are the reason why.
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BobbySteelz
Hemp Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.18 00:39:00 -
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post with yur alt sillyz!
Well at least you know your in for a good game when the enemy has good friends like Kugutsumen.
Through all these hostiles and all this meta-gaming BRUCE still remains in Fountain after a month of drama and many jumping off the failtrain? If they are gone soon I see BOB coming into Fountain very fast, I think that's the only reason they haven't taken it yet, BRUCE give GFs. Shadoo you forget to mention in your AAR on SHC about your multiple hotdrops recently, you guys talk like you beat bruce up and down all over fountain, yet it looks like your gaining powerful friends coming into fountain just to fight them and help siege poses and fight the blobs.
Have fun with POS warfare, you look to be doing exactly what you said you didn't want to do.
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JonShannow
Caldari Raptus Regaliter Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.18 00:43:00 -
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I dont have alts, I post when I do post as I see it, I have been in every single engagment I have been allowed to or been awake for since I joined bruce, and will be till I run out of isk and ships to be able to....
I posted an observation,, if bruce wants to fine or kick me for it, so be it.
Jon.
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Anton Marx
Caldari Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.18 00:47:00 -
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Wow cyrillic looks very good on these forums :)
The official English translation of that last stanza is:
"In the victory of Communism's deathless ideals We see the future of our dear land, And to her fluttering scarlet banner, Selflessly true we always shall stand"
I have it in my bio \o/
Also PanBoBic Intentions ftw :D
[WAR.H] Anton Marx |
Battlestar Galactica
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Posted - 2008.05.18 01:00:00 -
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sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
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Viqtoria
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.18 01:10:00 -
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MUSHROOMS ALWAYS GROW IN DAMP PLACES AND SO THEY LOOK LIKE UMBRELLAS
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Ulviirala Vauryndar
Gallente Cohortes Stellaris iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.18 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria MUSHROOMS ALWAYS GROW IN DAMP PLACES AND SO THEY LOOK LIKE UMBRELLAS
I come upon a silver striped mushroom and I... fla-la-la-la-ly... oh well, they must have *very* sexy dancers in PNQY, eh? Choo-choo!
Unfortunately, your signature is not 22239 bytes, it exceeds the 24000 byte limit allowed on the forums. -Darth Patches I fail, regards to Cortes - Ulvi |
Vaustrien
Caldari The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Battlestar Galactica And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
When BOB sees worthless alliances buddy up to it it makes them tenants, charges them obscene amounts of isk to become meatshields from coming invasions, and bleeds them of their few active PVPers, if any. These are "pets" and thats how BOB themselves referred to them, as pets.
When Goonswarm sees worthless alliances buddy up to it they don't become tenants and bleed the worthless alliance of their few active pvpers, they would just get taunted/harassed/etc. from the get-go and it never goes anywhere. Its a more honest route, not that there's any real value to e-honor****gotry its just Goon culture naturally routs certain types of people quick.
In short, BOB may have allies, but BOB definitely has worthless alliances/pets. Goonswarm has allies, and worthless alliances/potential pets never even get past the standard recruitment fee of 200 million isk per member.
ps if anyone wants sponsorship into the Greater Goon, il sponsor for a small fee, contact me in game tia
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Viqtoria
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.18 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vaustrien
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
When BOB sees worthless alliances buddy up to it it makes them tenants, charges them obscene amounts of isk to become meatshields from coming invasions, and bleeds them of their few active PVPers, if any. These are "pets" and thats how BOB themselves referred to them, as pets.
When Goonswarm sees worthless alliances buddy up to it they don't become tenants and bleed the worthless alliance of their few active pvpers, they would just get taunted/harassed/etc. from the get-go and it never goes anywhere. Its a more honest route, not that there's any real value to e-honor****gotry its just Goon culture naturally routs certain types of people quick.
In short, BOB may have allies, but BOB definitely has worthless alliances/pets. Goonswarm has allies, and worthless alliances/potential pets never even get past the standard recruitment fee of 200 million isk per member.
ps if anyone wants sponsorship into the Greater Goon, il sponsor for a small fee, contact me in game tia
i'll hit u up in game l8r m8
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Fortiter
Icarus' Wings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.18 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
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Shinori
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vaustrien In short, BOB may have allies, but BOB definitely has worthless alliances/pets. Goonswarm has allies, and worthless [...] pets never even get past the standard recruitment fee of 200 million isk per member.
How did Groon get in then?
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Efdi
Minmatar Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.05.18 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
Posting in a failure cascade thread.
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did. Your contribution isn't a **** in a can compared to what FOOM did for BRUCE, and we surely don't come here smacking you. Learn respect, whelp.
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
FOOM's leaving killed your ability, and will, to fight. There's really no other way to describe the lack of "bringing it" that is taking place now, compared to when FOOM were still in the alliance. FOOM might have "tucked their tails and ran to empire", but at least they're still fighting, while BRUCE currently won't engage with 4:1 odds.
It's sad to watch the BRUCE FC's massive damage control with ridiculous lines such as, "it's a chess match" and "we had a great victory today" when it's obvious your objectives weren't anywhere near completed.
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BobbySteelz
Hemp Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.18 04:17:00 -
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Fried you should know one persons views shouldn't represent a corp/alliance shame he has to share his own thoughts here though. It did hurt alot of bruces to see you go with your corp, so I can see why some hold a grudge, but meh..
Anyway viper didn't you just die like 4hours ago?
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Efdi
Minmatar Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.05.18 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: BobbySteelz
Anyway viper didn't you just die like 4hours ago?
Why don't you lose some Mk. IIIs about it?
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Danari
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2008.05.18 05:10:00 -
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CI on a naptrain? Unthinkable
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Efdi
Minmatar Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.05.18 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Danari CI on a naptrain? Unthinkable
Yep. CI have napped all of eve, including BoB, RA and Goonswarm. Look how dumb you are for not reading the entire thread. _______________________________ Yes, I am an alt. No, I can't post with my main; he's forum banned. Yes, I will be happy to smack you with my main when I'm unbanned. |
Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.18 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: BobbySteelz Anyway viper didn't you just die like 4hours ago?
OMG a pvper dieing...that never happens
At least bring some decent smack if you are going to try...
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: BobbySteelz Anyway viper didn't you just die like 4hours ago?
OMG a pvper dieing...that never happens
At least bring some decent smack if you are going to try...
You feeling alright, or did I misread =P
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Vaelor Sebiestor
Pink Pwnies
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Posted - 2008.05.18 05:54:00 -
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to play us out, what does that mean, to play us out? |
Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.18 05:55:00 -
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I like this thread. It has potential.
For what I'm not quite sure yet.
I would, however, like more defending of E-Honor between BRUCE and FOOM. My level 58 Paladin will be taking notes.
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Idaeus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.18 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Shinori
Originally by: Vaustrien In short, BOB may have allies, but BOB definitely has worthless alliances/pets. Goonswarm has allies, and worthless [...] pets never even get past the standard recruitment fee of 200 million isk per member.
How did Groon get in then?
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Fortiter
Icarus' Wings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.18 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did. Your contribution isn't a **** in a can compared to what FOOM did for BRUCE, and we surely don't come here smacking you. Learn respect, whelp.
Next time you bail on an alliance make sure you don't hold all of the leadership positions. It also might not set well with the rest of the alliance when you try to take all the non-foom FC's with you. Just read your forums regarding leaving bruce and look at it as what NOT to do when leaving an alliance.
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SIMONP1965
Caldari Phalanx Security Service
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Posted - 2008.05.18 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: SIMONP1965 on 18/05/2008 06:53:28
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did. Your contribution isn't a **** in a can compared to what FOOM did for BRUCE, and we surely don't come here smacking you. Learn respect, whelp.
Hmmm.. fried iv been in a fight or two with you while i was with bruce, lost 7 ravens too, i think its the other way around here.... you dont understand what your taking about!! ill tell it ya from the botton side looking up, YOU brought shame to Bruce by leaving!! most brucies could care less if FOOM left, but you!! that was... STUNNING... STAGGERING... pilots couldent belive there ears... it was you most looked up to for getting Bruce to where it is... not FOOM.. you were the "Patton" of Bruce.. So for you to just up and leave.. THE SHAME IS ON YOU.. not the welpe who posted above. Everyone who wants to know why Bruce lost its fighting spirt.. well if "Patton" leaves... why should we stay and fight.. Bottom line here fried, you should have left FOOM. that my "friend" would have made Bruce fight even harder, the whelp above is just venting his fustration at FOOM, the sad part is you cant see that... The disgrace is on you
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Luyshin
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Posted - 2008.05.18 07:17:00 -
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FOOM back in empire?
Camp on the Aeschee gate in Lisbaetanne!
Seriously though, does anything Friedrick say ever have any substance? I know (and I'm sure Fried will remind me) that I'm just a lowly **** poster, but can someone direct me to a post of his that makes any sense? They all boil down to, "I'm smart and and here's a bunch of superfluous words to express that."
IMO, this baseless intellectual arrogance has become a staple of BRUCE. Just look at the alliance name; they're clever, donchaknow! The aloofness originated in FOOM, and has been picked up by Friedrick's subordinates. It clouds the judgement of BRUCE's leadership because, to an arrogant intellectual, they're always smarter and better anyway, even when they're losing. This is an attitude that must be shed if BRUCE is going to stay alive, let alone in 0.0.
My raven was fit with the following: |
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2008.05.18 07:21:00 -
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So can BEEP apply for BoB pet status and have some of BRUCE's space? We are very friendly and a lot of fun to be around! We'll teach you how to play Batnam ball! We will even let you win the first couple of games! :-)
Also, BRUCE non-sucky corps, please feel free to contact "The Honda Accord". We remember some of you most fondly and would love you to join our fold. Life in Molden Heath is simply exceptional! (for all values of exceptional equal to mostly OK)
Issler
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari Icarus' Wings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.18 07:37:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Amaron Ghant on 18/05/2008 07:45:13 see below I would sup with the devil and forget to use a long spoon if it led to me spitting on the grave of nationalism.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari Icarus' Wings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.18 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
This isn't just Fortiers opinion. A lot of us were gutted when freid decided to leave and take his corp with him. After certain internal discussions came to light, that attitude has since changed to disgust, both with foom and freid.
whatever justification you cling to, the fact remains you waited for the wolves to be at the door before picking up your toys and running off to avoid losing them. For shame. |
Tai Paktu
Mortis Incarnatus
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Posted - 2008.05.18 07:51:00 -
[54]
I think that people are greatly underestimating the impact or the Mortis Incarnatus dec on BRUCE. Since we went live, 1 BRUCE cotp has quit. Since iI've been drinking tonight, I can't remember who it is. But i think we're pretty much winning the war and steering clear of the nap train.
I also remember decing the OP"s alliance. All in all this is a pretty good thread and I thnik we should all have more to drink. ______
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Efdi
Minmatar Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.05.18 07:55:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Amaron Ghant
Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
This isn't just Fortiers opinion. A lot of us were gutted when freid decided to leave and take his corp with him. After certain internal discussions came to light, that attitude has since changed to disgust, both with foom and freid.
whatever justification you cling to, the fact remains you waited for the wolves to be at the door before picking up your toys and running off to avoid losing them. For shame.
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Anim Serran
Icarus' Wings Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.18 08:51:00 -
[56]
ITT ... wait what? oh hi
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haveyou seenthisman
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.18 09:01:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did.
pot, meet kettle.
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Iroku Mata
Minmatar Endovelicus Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:33:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Faekurias "In the victory of the immortal ideals of communism we see the future of our country, and we will always be selflessly true to the Red Banner of the glorious fatherland!" <- Something like that. Quite deep yes
Too many countries and cultures have beeing ruined by communism! We need Hoover back plz.
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Tital
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:42:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did. Your contribution isn't a **** in a can compared to what FOOM did for BRUCE, and we surely don't come here smacking you. Learn respect, whelp.
Wow Fried, lots of unspent aggro there. Fact is you left when Bruce was at the tipping point. What Bruce has done since has absolutely nothing to do with you or FOOM, however they have stood up to and gained the respect of the best PvP'rs in the game.
You dropped the ball on an unprepared leadership so its a bit rich for you to complain that you did all you could at this stage. You may have built a mighty empire but that is all to naught when the leadership abandons ship.
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agent apple
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 11:20:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Issler Dainze So can BEEP apply for BoB pet status and have some of BRUCE's space? We are very friendly and a lot of fun to be around! We'll teach you how to play Batnam ball! We will even let you win the first couple of games! :-)
Were currently overstocked on Proton Powered Electrical Tentacle Advertising Stations, and were passing the savings onto YOU!
BOB pet status sold seperately
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Tarish Montrey
Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 11:23:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Shirei Hello, I heard there is a NAPTrain going, can we still join?
dont you have it set to hot key 1?
lol Sig follows-
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Lisosianya
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.18 13:13:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Lisosianya on 18/05/2008 13:14:09
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did. Your contribution isn't a **** in a can compared to what FOOM did for BRUCE, and we surely don't come here smacking you. Learn respect, whelp.
You left us man, LEFT US, you can say all you want but when some heat came to foutain you baild out. Thate is lamest thing and there is no excuse for it, and you will be forevern know as man who will leav when things are looking bad
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Sepharina
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.18 15:31:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Lisosianya Edited by: Lisosianya on 18/05/2008 13:14:09
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did. Your contribution isn't a **** in a can compared to what FOOM did for BRUCE, and we surely don't come here smacking you. Learn respect, whelp.
You left us man, LEFT US, you can say all you want but when some heat came to foutain you baild out. Thate is lamest thing and there is no excuse for it, and you will be forevern know as man who will leav when things are looking bad
Well, I for one know that they didnt bail out because of pressure in Fountain. It was more like burned out after such a long time heading up the alliance, and it would have been coming regardless. It just happened to coincide.
Im sure, with hindsight as a weapon, that leadership decisions should have been made differently, and that includes diplomatic ones. But that could be said for any and every alliance. Unfortunately fountain isn't a forgiving place to be making errors. Such is life.
The only sad side to it all, is the way the alliance found out, and knowing that plans had already been made to ship out on a certain date without any other leaders being informed. It eft no room for a smooth transition, and it is absolutely the reason why Bruce is now finding itself falling apart. Its hard to keep going when youre leaderless and without experienced FC's. Yes, FOOM did a huge ammount for BRUCE, but thats exactly what the problem was. It shouldnt have been just FOOM. That could/should have been changed before we even set off for fountain. Again, hindsight and all that....
Im still cheering for BRUCE. \o/
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.18 15:32:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Viper ****zIe You feeling alright, or did I misread =P
I just hate that kind of smack, you can tell it comes from a carebear.
You know I deep down I love you Viper
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Lrrp
Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.18 15:39:00 -
[65]
From my perspective, Frieds action did not come as a surprise. When I had a convo with another pilot who said Fried bragged to him how he (Fried) had a alt in Huzzah and took great joy in shooting Bruces, I thought no way. Then came the departure of Bruce from Syndicate and one day they are napped with Huzzah. I had Bruce members and corp CEO's convoing me (I was part of COE leadership council) as to what was going on. I had no clue as Huzzah would not give COE a 10 sec nap to get out. Then I thought of the Fried alt story.....and went hmmm.
So now we jump forward and once again Fried and company do a pullout and this time he screws his own alliance. Oh his excuses sounded valid, but then I remember being on ops with him where he enjoyed playing mind games. And once again I go.....hmmmm.
In the end though, it all boils down to character. You know, the big thing Fried expounded on as to what a Bruce has to have. So Fried left and took all his toys plus a few extra. I guess having game riches is more important than your good name.
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Sun Zhaou
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.18 15:59:00 -
[66]
Originally by: kublai
The last time I had standings to bob they were blue, the day I set goons anything but red will be a cold day in hell indeed, maggot.
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=108711
If this link would be deleted... it's about a poor BRUCE Rokh killed by a joint CI and PL gang.
ups
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Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.05.18 16:25:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Sun Zhaou
Originally by: kublai
The last time I had standings to bob they were blue, the day I set goons anything but red will be a cold day in hell indeed, maggot.
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=108711
If this link would be deleted... it's about a poor BRUCE Rokh killed by a joint CI and PL gang.
ups
Pandemic Legion is not GoonSwarm.
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Tornado Bait
Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:08:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did. Your contribution isn't a **** in a can compared to what FOOM did for BRUCE, and we surely don't come here smacking you. Learn respect, whelp.
lol some one had their ego hurt. Fried no one will discount the contributions that FOOM made to bruce but the fact of the matter is you left in a very poor manner and at a very poor time. Not only did you fail to properly spread leadership positions throughout the alliance you attempted to hand pick all those you felt were any good as you left. He hasn't disgraced his name by making an accurate post and you should attempt to remove your emotions from you posts in the future. You may feel that you have earned some E-respect or E-honor by running Bruce that should create a forcefield to protect you from smack but you haven't. You created an alliance that exsisted only as long as FOOM exsisted and now that alliance is dead.
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Honest Nonlabor
Amarr IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:32:00 -
[69]
Yarr?
Anybody who DID NOT see this coming a long way off should be smacked about for delusional behavior and a general inattentiveness. Once we got cozy in fountain, we could no longer bring a decent fight.
Maybe i should go pay my ole-Brucies a visit now that im in the area?
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Antaree
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Posted - 2008.05.18 19:55:00 -
[70]
Word on the streets is that BRUCE is blue to BOB, c / d ? |
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HaulandHaul
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.05.18 20:30:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Antaree Word on the streets is that BRUCE is blue to BOB, c / d ?
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Admiral Himerias
The White Star Consortium Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:14:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Admiral Himerias on 18/05/2008 21:17:05 Edited by: Admiral Himerias on 18/05/2008 21:15:21
Originally by: Lrrp From my perspective, Frieds action did not come as a surprise. When I had a convo with another pilot who said Fried bragged to him how he (Fried) had a alt in Huzzah and took great joy in shooting Bruces, I thought no way. Then came the departure of Bruce from Syndicate and one day they are napped with Huzzah. I had Bruce members and corp CEO's convoing me (I was part of COE leadership council) as to what was going on. I had no clue as Huzzah would not give COE a 10 sec nap to get out. Then I thought of the Fried alt story.....and went hmmm.
So now we jump forward and once again Fried and company do a pullout and this time he screws his own alliance. Oh his excuses sounded valid, but then I remember being on ops with him where he enjoyed playing mind games. And once again I go.....hmmmm.
In the end though, it all boils down to character. You know, the big thing Fried expounded on as to what a Bruce has to have. So Fried left and took all his toys plus a few extra. I guess having game riches is more important than your good name.
FRRP, you do NOT speak for 10th legion alliance. All 10th members are banned from posting in any CAOD thread. I ask that you pleas cease posting. You neither speak for nor represent 10th. Only official alliance leadership (which I am not of as I am merely a concerned tenth grunt) may post on CAOD. Thankyou
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SIMONP1965
Caldari Phalanx Security Service
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:31:00 -
[73]
Bruce is NOT dead Yet.. Thay still hold fountain.. untill then dont count them, Thay may have been gut punched and got the wind knocked out of them by fred but there still fighting hard as meny smell blood up in fountain. thay have been spanked a fue time over the last fue weeks but at the same time, thay have laid a beating on some corps and alliances. As to the question of bruce and bob turning eachother blue.. my contacts in the bruce leadership have told me to keep my lips buttoned... ill say this most in bob are amazed that there still there... bob likes fighters, and bruce will be no bob lapdog.. equals or nothing...
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:33:00 -
[74]
Quote: equals or nothing...
Confirming nothing.
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SIMONP1965
Caldari Phalanx Security Service
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:40:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Astasia Orian
Quote: equals or nothing...
Confirming nothing.
spoken like a good little lapdog...
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Kera Delacour
Evenstar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.18 21:57:00 -
[76]
I think it's pretty funny how nobody ever gives BRUCE the credit they deserve. They hold fountain, for the most part, and have held out despite attacks from several other alliances. Granted only BoB is probably really interested in taking their space but Bruce has held and survived so far. I wouldn't count them out until they withdraw or close.
After all, with all the alliances that have been collapsing lately you have to figure Bruce will probably get at least SOME of those pilots who are looking for an alliance that gets lots of pew pew... and Bruce is getting plenty right now :)
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Battlestar Galactica
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Posted - 2008.05.18 22:01:00 -
[77]
though they don't get on with me i think the FOOM did the right thing and jump from the sinking ship before they were crushed. Good close corp and hope good things for the future.
FOOM where BRUCE so whats next for them? TATM alliance = Trouble at the Mill?
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SIMONP1965
Caldari Phalanx Security Service
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Posted - 2008.05.18 22:36:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica though they don't get on with me i think the FOOM did the right thing and jump from the sinking ship before they were crushed. Good close corp and hope good things for the future.
FOOM where BRUCE so whats next for them? TATM alliance = Trouble at the Mill?
What sinking ship, before Fried left bruce handed out spankings on a daily basis. and there still holding Fountain... and this weekend has been very good for Bruce.. if anyone is going to take fountain thay better hurry up... there starting to belive thay can hold it for good, the physiological impact of fried(not FOOM) leaving is waring off... if no one takes fountain in the next month, Bruce will hold it for good.
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Rensemusa
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Posted - 2008.05.18 22:39:00 -
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Bruce has lost numbers when foom left, but from what ive seen it has also opened up the alliance it self. Its not allways easy for new people to take the rains, while the old leader is still there with his ways (that imo were outdated the day bruce went into fountain). Old Bruce wanted a safe western block or some craps... instead we got the wild west :D
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Shinma Apollo
Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.18 23:01:00 -
[80]
With due respect to my colleagues in Icaru, I'd like to set the record straight on a few things. Foom's departure was a sad and difficult moment for us; the reorganization that followed is a great testament to endless hours of hard work and dedication that Fried and Foom put into BRUCE until the moment they left, and to how important to the alliance they were. Though some of us were hurt and saddened to see Friedrick leave, we understand his reasons for leaving and will forever be thankful for his contributions made to this alliance, despite what a misanthropic hacker would have people believe.
As to the subject of us collapsing, I'd like to inform the OP that we are still here enjoying ourselves as always. I'm sure that all the PVPers involved can state that amount of action we've gotten to see has made Eve very enjoyable as of late, even if we are not on the winning side every battle. Those on the lower end of the SP side in BRUCE are getting the opportunity to fight some of the best PvPers in the game, including Band of Brothers, Ex-Triumvirate members in Cruel Intentions, and of course Pandemic Legion. Aside from some of the regrettable meta-gaming that has plagued this conflict, it has been a lot of fun thusfar. Few pilots outside of fountain can really state that they've ever been in a 3 or 4 way full on fleet fight, for example :)
So, in sum, we will continue to fight, we're not collapsing and we'll see BoB, PL, Cl, and Kugutsumen in space....errr, sorry Kug, too late?
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Jarkovii
Caldari YTiRi Directorate Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.05.18 23:30:00 -
[81]
o7
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"It's better to know what not to do than to think you know what to do.
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ManowarX
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 23:34:00 -
[82]
Lol at Fried like he matters anymore.
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.19 02:56:00 -
[83]
Quote: From my perspective, Frieds action did not come as a surprise. When I had a convo with another pilot who said Fried bragged to him how he (Fried) had a alt in Huzzah and took great joy in shooting Bruces, I thought no way. Then came the departure of Bruce from Syndicate and one day they are napped with Huzzah. I had Bruce members and corp CEO's convoing me (I was part of COE leadership council) as to what was going on. I had no clue as Huzzah would not give COE a 10 sec nap to get out. Then I thought of the Fried alt story.....and went hmmm.
I seriously doubt Huzzah nap'd BRUCE at any point in time. Pretty certain the same goes for Exquisite Malevolence and Fire Mandril, I know for certain Notoriety has never had BRUCE set to anything other than -10. We also still maintain -10 for COE and foom now that they've split off. Still <3 Katamarino though, Happy Hour and a few others, FB and edbert still A+ guys
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devils wrath
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:28:00 -
[84]
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. ugh Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
all this from someone who dosen't even know what bruce was about. Been around a short while and knows it all. First of all if all the new corps would have stepped up done their part and not been so damn interested in getting their wallets fat. Oh the numbers were there but check back thru the kill boards it was always the same ones out there defending the place and forming up EVERY TIME a fleet was needed , while the many either hid went afk or continued doing what made them isk. I too hated to see fried and foom leave but you can only blame yourselves. when there are 450 in alliance and only 40 or 50 will go to fight your gonna wear this small few out. Sure i was kicked out of bruce with my corp just a couple weeks before and is the best thing to happen. Now lets see how long till the current leaders get worn down and fed up with the many who won't fight. I say better get it while the getting is good Oh my bad those days are over. I'll still fight with ya fried and foom atleast i know you will show up.
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BobbySteelz
Hemp Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:49:00 -
[85]
I think FOOM just had alot of active pilots fried not really handpicking people as much as asking a few good friends to go with them. supposably some pvp bruces bailed to make another corp .shade while doing their fair share of hand picking a bunch of pilots.
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Wusti
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.05.19 11:57:00 -
[86]
Well who amongst those unlucky enough to talk to their diplos DIDN'T think that all the arrogance and bull**** would come to this? _______________________
Welcome to The New Era
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white kight
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: white kight on 19/05/2008 12:09:51 BRUCE used to be one fo the finest alliance i ever flew with. Fried was a fantastic guy to fly with and a very good FC. I am sure that his decision to pull out of BRUCE was probably what he felt best for his corp and not just for him. I left BRUCE not because its dying, not because the leadership was crap, i left because i disagreed with the blob tactics and the way BRUCE fought. Fried came across to some people as arrogant and as if he was above everyone, but that never came across to me when i was in the alliance. I was there when we took USO, PNQ and 7BX and the major battle against RECON. BRUCE still has the power to hold on to their territory, they just need to regain some composure. FOOM leaving will have been a big blow but its never one man/one corp that makes an alliance.
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Kera Delacour
Evenstar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.19 13:13:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Kera Delacour on 19/05/2008 13:14:52
Originally by: white kight Edited by: white kight on 19/05/2008 12:09:51 BRUCE used to be one fo the finest alliance i ever flew with. Fried was a fantastic guy to fly with and a very good FC. I am sure that his decision to pull out of BRUCE was probably what he felt best for his corp and not just for him. I left BRUCE not because its dying, not because the leadership was crap, i left because i disagreed with the blob tactics and the way BRUCE fought. Fried came across to some people as arrogant and as if he was above everyone, but that never came across to me when i was in the alliance. I was there when we took USO, PNQ and 7BX and the major battle against RECON. BRUCE still has the power to hold on to their territory, they just need to regain some composure. FOOM leaving will have been a big blow but its never one man/one corp that makes an alliance.
Well said. Not sure why people rant and rave against blob warfare. Unfortunately given today's game mechanics it's really the only way to control territory anymore. Roaming gangs are fun but they don't hold space :/ Much as many of us hate it, blob warfare is the only way to take/hold space :(
I don't know of any way to fix it, unfortunately people's first instinct to deal with any situation is to 'band together' or 'blob'. After all, the 'safety in numbers' mentality is ingrained in our psyche as humans.
All that said I do agree with most in the thread. Losing one or two corps won't kill Bruce. And they had a very good weekend, defense wise. So we'll just have to wait and see how fountain looks in a week or 3. ----------- EVNS, bringing quality carebearing to a solar system near you! |
Lrrp
Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.19 14:10:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Rajere
Quote: From my perspective, Frieds action did not come as a surprise. When I had a convo with another pilot who said Fried bragged to him how he (Fried) had a alt in Huzzah and took great joy in shooting Bruces, I thought no way. Then came the departure of Bruce from Syndicate and one day they are napped with Huzzah. I had Bruce members and corp CEO's convoing me (I was part of COE leadership council) as to what was going on. I had no clue as Huzzah would not give COE a 10 sec nap to get out. Then I thought of the Fried alt story.....and went hmmm.
I seriously doubt Huzzah nap'd BRUCE at any point in time. Pretty certain the same goes for Exquisite Malevolence and Fire Mandril, I know for certain Notoriety has never had BRUCE set to anything other than -10. We also still maintain -10 for COE and foom now that they've split off. Still <3 Katamarino though, Happy Hour and a few others, FB and edbert still A+ guys
I suggest you check around as Bruce had a one day nap with Huzzah when Bruce was pulling out of PC-9. There was quite a number of COE and Bruce pilots that can attest to it.
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Natasha Dannar
Mercenary Vanguards
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Posted - 2008.05.19 14:29:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Admiral Himerias
FRRP, you do NOT speak for 10th legion alliance. All 10th members are banned from posting in any CAOD thread. I ask that you pleas cease posting. You neither speak for nor represent 10th. Only official alliance leadership (which I am not of as I am merely a concerned tenth grunt) may post on CAOD. Thankyou[/quote
LOL!! Wait... wut?? CAOD forum banning?!?
Is this another alt of yours, Fried?!?
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Kizz Rules
Blue. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.19 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kizz Rules on 19/05/2008 15:09:17 just one more reason not to be part of a huge alliance.If the CEO isn't stealing Motherships, he is removing his corp and finding a route back to empire.
1.Mandatory ops 2.Corp wallet, yup your not allowed to even look 3.Nope you will not post on COAD cause Im the boss and Im working out an uber diplomatic plan 4.Yes we will refund for capital losses NO we will not refund for your BSs
I would really love to see what a good group of PvPrs would do with the amazing logistics that BRUCE was?is? capable of pulling off.
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haveyou seenthisman
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.19 17:15:00 -
[92]
** NEWSFLASH **
BRUCE corp has left BRUCE and taken approx. 50 Bn in assets including sov towers.
** STOP **
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar Phoenix Division
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Posted - 2008.05.19 22:02:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Lrrp I suggest you check around as Bruce had a one day nap with Huzzah when Bruce was pulling out of PC-9. There was quite a number of COE and Bruce pilots that can attest to it.
For about 12 hours, and even then some Huzzah members kept shooting anyway.
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:23:00 -
[94]
I stand corrected then.
BRUCE is still #3 alliance even though they've lost 1k players in the last 2 weeks or so. Notoriety Alliance Recruitment |
Thelying dutchman
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:32:00 -
[95]
Actually,
Total left since - 20.04.08 - 1083 Members
we're keeping track
Oh and before the alt corp trolls come in. The loss of all these members has nothing to do with PL, I have reliable info that this is all due to "internal restructuring".
Have a nice day
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Mr McDee
Ancient Crew
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:39:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Rajere I stand corrected then.
BRUCE is still #3 alliance even though they've lost 1k players in the last 2 weeks or so.
Like the numbers mean anything. Look at how the goons failure cascading... ;)
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EzSnake
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:48:00 -
[97]
Could be losing ppl due to showin such crap FC'n and 0.0 Fleet tactics/setups
Can anyone say ISS/ASCN - reformed??? (seemed that way to me, the 3 mo's I was in Bruce)
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Lrrp
Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2008.05.20 14:54:00 -
[98]
Part of the loss is FOOM leaving, part non pvp'ers packing up to go make isk elsewhere. Eventually a hardcore set of Bruce pvp'ers will remain.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.20 16:18:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Astasia Orian on 20/05/2008 16:18:38
Originally by: Kizz Rules I would really love to see what a good group of PvPrs would do with the amazing logistics that BRUCE was?is? capable of pulling off.
A huge pile of selfish carebears isn't logistics. It's just a load of people making personal isk who will either disappear or whine destructively when the **** hits the fan. These people are usually the reason the **** hits the fan in the first place as everyone else is like holy **** there are semi-afk npcing ravens and unscouted bs in every system/gate around here.
Seems like no matter how many 'industry' alliances rise and fall (horribly), this never seems to sink in.
Also hooray for Y-2!
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Honest Nonlabor
Amarr IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.20 18:27:00 -
[100]
I left for the simple reaon that im a PURE pVper. Those who knew me could attest that i would always be ina gang, camp, op, SOMETHING, everytime i logged on every day. Hell i was one of those who moved to y-2 just for more shooty.
But man, the fleet fits are TERRIBLE for a real 0.0 conflict. It was obvious from the very first time we fielded them that they had major weaknesses. That and the FC's just didnt know how to take advantage of any other ship types or fittings. My sniper maelstrom just collected dust, being told to warp into a gang at 0 in it is just idiotic. Same for the HAC pilots, they were mostly ignored in engagements wherer a hac/recon gang could make a serious difference.
Ah well, theyll either figure it out (fast!) or die trying. Lots of good people in bruce though, good guys to fly with (heh and some of them ke3ep in contact). Ill try and make a visit this weekend for a bit of ole-time yarring
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BobbySteelz
Hemp Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.20 18:40:00 -
[101]
Does seem like PL are helping bruce to get rid of all the incompetant, lazy leeches from inside thier ranks. Isn't it good for a alliance though that they will be getting rid of all the people that can't handle the pressure once things get tough and keep around those willing to stand and fight?
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Borar
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Posted - 2008.05.20 19:10:00 -
[102]
PL also will die when they stay in fountain . They never can beat the BOBS alone .
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The mafioso
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Posted - 2008.05.20 19:29:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Originally by: Fortiter
Originally by: Battlestar Galactica sadly u can tell that FOOM have left the alliance as Fried would have pounded anyone that posted stupid comments like the ones in here of BRUCE members. And really i like how people call any1 allied with BoB a pet but not who ally with Goons. Reason?
Jon's post may have been ignorant but please don't even talk about FOOM. Someone had the balls to test BRUCE and FOOM were the first ones to tuck tail and run to empire. Thanks for sending those cats home P-L.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and have only managed to disgrace your name and your corp's name even further by trying to act like you did. Your contribution isn't a **** in a can compared to what FOOM did for BRUCE, and we surely don't come here smacking you. Learn respect, whelp.
Undeniably FOOM started Bruce, FOOM also managed to kill Bruce, as soon as things went badly, FOOM pulled out. You have the audacity to talk about your contribution? No one cares what it was any more, because at the end of the day your efforts failed. FOOM should be recognized for being the first people to jump off a sinking boat nothing more. For the record Fried your failure in the political arena was similar to sir molle, "lets pull a bob and make enemies with everyone. great plan" Only difference Sir molle didn't run for the hills, and he brought BOB once again to the forefront.
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Steph Wing
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.20 20:08:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Steph Wing on 20/05/2008 20:08:42
Originally by: Kizz Rules Edited by: Kizz Rules on 19/05/2008 15:09:17 just one more reason not to be part of a huge alliance.If the CEO isn't stealing Motherships, he is removing his corp and finding a route back to empire.
1.Mandatory ops 2.Corp wallet, yup your not allowed to even look 3.Nope you will not post on COAD cause Im the boss and Im working out an uber diplomatic plan 4.Yes we will refund for capital losses NO we will not refund for your BSs
I would really love to see what a good group of PvPrs would do with the amazing logistics that BRUCE was?is? capable of pulling off.
I'm pretty sure none of these are true for BRUCE. Except for #3. ---
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.05.20 20:55:00 -
[105]
I don't think PL had much to do with BRUCE's current state. You guys just happened to be who was shooting them when their Executor decided to play 'ream the alliance'.
That particular game does way more for crushing morale and flattening membership than getting shot a bit does.
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toto moor
Eve Corporate Enterprise
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:00:00 -
[106]
So crushing them in every fight, taking all their high end moons, and destroying their cap fleet had nothing to do with it?
Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:30:00 -
[107]
Originally by: toto moor So crushing them in every fight, taking all their high end moons, and destroying their cap fleet had nothing to do with it?
Generally what you've listed is only relevant if the alliance already has internal issues. Effectively preexisting problems were revealed. It is merely a matter of who is there to create the final crisis.
Often when leadership bails from an alliance/corp it is a very good indicator of massive internal issues. And no, losses like you described don't count as "internal issues".
Listen to Mistress Suffering. *whistles*
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Elektrea
Minmatar Happy hOur Mining and industry Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:34:00 -
[108]
Originally by: toto moor So crushing them in every fight, taking all their high end moons, and destroying their cap fleet had nothing to do with it?
Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
They destroyed our cap fleet?
Happy HOur Minning and Industry
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:40:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Elektrea
Originally by: toto moor So crushing them in every fight, taking all their high end moons, and destroying their cap fleet had nothing to do with it?
Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
They destroyed our cap fleet?
5 dreads and 9 carriers, but hey if you got more, by all means bring them out and chase us off
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:46:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Honest Nonlabor But man, the fleet fits are TERRIBLE for a real 0.0 conflict. It was obvious from the very first time we fielded them that they had major weaknesses. That and the FC's just didnt know how to take advantage of any other ship types or fittings.
So, you identified the problem, devised a solution and then.... resigned to go to another alliance. "So long and thanks for all the fish" I guess.
By the way, and completely off-topic: Ancient Norwegian Blue?
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Steph Wing
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.20 21:59:00 -
[111]
Originally by: toto moor Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
Since the BRUCE killboards are password-protected, I'm guessing that question is rhetorical? ---
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Efdi
Minmatar Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.05.20 22:13:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Steph Wing
Originally by: Kizz Rules
3.Nope you will not post on COAD cause Im the boss and Im working out an uber diplomatic plan
I'm pretty sure none of these are true for BRUCE. Except for #3.
And yet here you are. TGRAD too good to follow the rules now? _______________________________ Yes, I am an alt. No, I can't post with my main; he's forum banned. Yes, I will be happy to smack you with my main when I'm unbanned. |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:12:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 21/05/2008 00:13:21
Originally by: Efdi And yet here you are. TGRAD too good to follow the rules now?
For the record, BRUCE leadership has never banned posting on COAD. Fried's forum sig said something like "Posting on COAD makes baby Jesus cry" and there were other intimations that he'd "eat your face" if you did. And now Fried is no more a part of BRUCE leadership. So there you go.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Abe Achura
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:24:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel For the record, BRUCE leadership has never banned posting on COAD.
Wrong. Both on the old boards and the new boards.
Go look for the post labeled "CAOD Posting Ban".
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Efdi
Minmatar Brannigan's Law
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:48:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 21/05/2008 00:13:21
Originally by: Efdi And yet here you are. TGRAD too good to follow the rules now?
For the record, BRUCE leadership has never banned posting on COAD. Fried's forum sig said something like "Posting on COAD makes baby Jesus cry" and there were other intimations that he'd "eat your face" if you did. And now Fried is no more a part of BRUCE leadership. So there you go.
So what you're saying is "yes"? _______________________________ Yes, I am an alt. No, I can't post with my main; he's forum banned. Yes, I will be happy to smack you with my main when I'm unbanned. |
Sekhmet Orion
Mandatory Suicide Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.21 00:56:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Steph Wing
Originally by: toto moor Do you actually read the forums or follow killboards before you make a post?
Since the BRUCE killboards are password-protected, I'm guessing that question is rhetorical?
There is a good reason why they are private
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.21 01:07:00 -
[117]
Quote: I left for the simple reaon that im a PURE pVper. Those who knew me could attest that i would always be ina gang, camp, op, SOMETHING, everytime i logged on every day. Hell i was one of those who moved to y-2 just for more shooty.
Sounds awfully familiar. Except Y-2 in my case would be TA-A7V (syndicate). BRUCE had just surpassed 800 members, which was more than enough to conquer southern syndicate at the time and start making preparations for a move into sovereign space, but instead bruce decided to double its size to 1600 members in 2 months time and cram them all into the 6 system Y4Y constellation (which BRUCE shared with COE), turtling up in PC9 with the other 90-110 blues in local, to ensure the carebears could make ISK. This was important because the number of Battleships a Miner can field is a good metric for determining your alliance's strength during offensive sieges (to take sovereign space), your PVPers don't need isk they can all fly t1 cruisers ofc. Apparently, miners don't spend their ISK on pvp BSes/Caps (who would have guessed?), which is why it was a further 9 months and 600 additional Alliance members before BRUCE finally opted for a risk free avenue into sovereign space.
It really wasn't the size of BRUCE that was the problem, it was the manner in which they brought in new corps. Leadership had a forecast for the entire year including total alliance membership threshholds each month, the goals were disturbingly aggressive (doubling every 2-3 months) and the alliance usually surpassed them each month. There was never time set aside for new corps to be integrated into the Alliance and bond with the other corps/members, which is why BRUCE was held together as a cult of personality via Fried. By the time I left he had already started developing his Messiah complex, though I've heard from friends who stayed in bruce that it got far, far worse.
Because alliance recruitment was all about quantity over quality and they hit their monthly goals one way or another, alot of the adds were bloat/inactives/carebears. Which is why no matter how fast the Alliance expanded, the active gang sizes (in each time zone) was a marginal bump at best, if anything. Not only were the total Alliance numbers completely invalid to measure the alliance's true strength, but the types of players that were being added were pretty risk-adverse (only X up when its a guranteed steamroll vs opposition). Everyone gives props to BRUCE for always showing up and fielding a fleet (win or lose) but even back in the y4y syndicate days there was a divide in fleet numbers. With 300 in Alliance, you'd get 15 x's for any kind of non-defensive op. 50 for Defense Ops if there was a good chance of losing, 150+ if it was an exercise in baby seal clubbing and a guranteed victory (of course BRUCE found ways to lose some of these fights). ie 200man fleets vs a 10man roaming cruiser gang towards the end of their time in Syndicate with 2200+ members + Pets. As the percentage of the membership shifted from the original players/corps to the newer folks, response times and willingness to engage at less than 2:1 odds plummetted. It's nice to be able to field far more than you need to get a job done, but the attitude shifted to where they simply wouldn't undock until fleet size had overwhelming numbers. That's not really a dig on the corporations who joined later, just saying there was a core group who came from Aeschee and actually experienced Syndicate before BRUCE's size made the whole region EZ-mode. Newer corps/players only experience with Synd(and for many, their first 0.0) was large anchored bubbles on the only exit gate and 80-100+ alliance members in local 23/7 guarding the chokepoint system to the whole damn constellation. Any time they needed to leave PC9 a 100 man escort gang was there 3-4 times a week to take them to High Sec and back, along with 15 freighters of course to haul whatever their hearts desired. Notoriety Alliance Recruitment |
teh punisher
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.05.21 02:05:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Vaelor Sebiestor to play us out, what does that mean, to play us out?
xD
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BobbySteelz
Hemp Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.21 02:49:00 -
[119]
Baby seal clubbing rajere? lol, first time you have made me laugh and I can agree with a few points actually. Bruce definatly brought too many corps/members in too quickly, thus filled with spies and carebears and people that really weren't of the bruce ideas. |
Honest Nonlabor
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.21 13:08:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Honest Nonlabor But man, the fleet fits are TERRIBLE for a real 0.0 conflict. It was obvious from the very first time we fielded them that they had major weaknesses. That and the FC's just didnt know how to take advantage of any other ship types or fittings.
So, you identified the problem, devised a solution and then.... resigned to go to another alliance. "So long and thanks for all the fish" I guess.
By the way, and completely off-topic: Ancient Norwegian Blue?
I mentioned several times to FC's my concerns about the fleet fit. HELL MAN, there was a thread for a while in the bruce forums with fleet fit discussion and MANY MANY people were disgusted with the fits. Alot refused to fly entirely in a MK3 because it was like signing a death warrant. For my part i fitted my ships the way they were supposed to be fitted (you know, useful for combat...) once the situation became clear.
And as for going to another alliance....i dunno if you can even call us that. I prefer a "Band of independent business men aligned in a strategic coalition" or something like that. I just shoot first and ask questions later now. No more pos-wars. No more failure cascades. No more lose-lose fleet lag-combat.
See ya in low-sec
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Claire Cormack
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Posted - 2008.05.21 23:01:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Rajere Fiction and deception Quote: .
thanks for playing
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Steph Wing
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 00:31:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Rajere *BRUCE bashing*
Hey Rajere, good to see you're still around! How's TA constellation these days? |
hodgebobble
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Posted - 2008.05.22 01:17:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Steph Wing
Originally by: Rajere *BRUCE bashing*
Hey Rajere, good to see you're still around! How's TA constellation these days?
Don't you guys have a forum ban?
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Steph Wing
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.24 09:13:00 -
[124]
Don't you have to show your corp/alliance ticker to post on CAOD? ---
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SK Rooster
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 11:25:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Steph Wing
Hey Rajere, good to see you're still around! How's TA constellation these days?
Hey Steph, how's your public killboard these days?
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Kindra Blades
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:01:00 -
[126]
Hey SK, how's the distance between you and a station these days?
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SK Rooster
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:09:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Kindra Blades Hey SK, how's the distance between you and a station these days?
Pretty good i guess
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Iwannabe dev1lwomen
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:47:00 -
[128]
Originally by: SK Rooster
Originally by: Kindra Blades Hey SK, how's the distance between you and a station these days?
Pretty good i guess
EIGHT HUNDRED NINETY NINE KILLZ!? TWENTY SEVEN CARRIERS!?
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SK Rooster
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:58:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Iwannabe dev1lwomen
EIGHT HUNDRED NINETY NINE KILLZ!? TWENTY SEVEN CARRIERS!?
Calm down.
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Serving Purpose
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:34:00 -
[130]
Pack your bags ladies, we're moving home. by Eridu Fallen on 2008-05-23 18:13:37 UTC
Entech,
This message will be brief. Alliance command has decided that Bruce will be returning to syndicate. <Rest of post edited out, as it was not pertinent to the point i was making here.
Eridu Fallen CEO
There, signed, sealed and delivered.
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Serving Purpose
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:37:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Serving Purpose on 25/05/2008 23:42:40 Edited by: Serving Purpose on 25/05/2008 23:39:19
Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 21/05/2008 00:13:21
Originally by: Efdi And yet here you are. TGRAD too good to follow the rules now?
For the record, BRUCE leadership has never banned posting on COAD. Fried's forum sig said something like "Posting on COAD makes baby Jesus cry" and there were other intimations that he'd "eat your face" if you did. And now Fried is no more a part of BRUCE leadership. So there you go.
For the record, it was "Confucius doesnt want you posting on COAD" And yes, they DID ban it, at least a few times, for a period of time. Lets see if i recall the alliance mail.....
Something about two weeks, isk fines, and expulsion? Kinda funny how that blows your entire statement to high hell and back, eh? And, also for the record, the latest one i can recall was not an EVEmail by FP himself. Rather some no name, who was epeening about his alliance "status".
GG BRUCE, we started off really well, then people got greedy. Someone should ask Zimroel about his plot to buy rights to every moon in JQV cluster. People got greedy, everyone stopped caring, and as much as we want too, you cant force people to undock when 4 reds have the station bubbled in nano ships. Certainly, 80 pilots of BRUCE couldnt take down 4 reds! /flee |
MindBender
coracao ardente Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.25 23:46:00 -
[132]
Wait... what? South? Fountain?
Hmmm, I think I took a wrong turn again. [This Space for Sale] |
Eridu Fallen
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.26 01:10:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Serving Purpose Pack your bags ladies, we're moving home. by Eridu Fallen on 2008-05-23 18:13:37 UTC
Entech,
This message will be brief. Alliance command has decided that Bruce will be returning to syndicate. <Rest of post edited out, as it was not pertinent to the point i was making here.
Eridu Fallen CEO
There, signed, sealed and delivered.
Woot! My first CAOD quote from private boards. I must be in teh big's now Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick. |
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.05.26 02:16:00 -
[134]
and peopel kept calling us lulz iss failures
"Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time" |
Vile rat
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.26 06:16:00 -
[135]
Originally by: SK Rooster
Calm down.
Hey it's Ctrl-Q'ster
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Theodox Gotan
Griefers Inc. Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.27 03:18:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: SK Rooster
Calm down.
Hey it's Ctrl-Q'ster
heh... goonies always make me laugh :)
as for the bruce situation... HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH
anyone wanna purchase a cheap moros?
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evoli rehathe
The Blackstone Group Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.27 09:57:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Theodox Gotan
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: SK Rooster
Calm down.
Hey it's Ctrl-Q'ster
heh... goonies always make me laugh :)
as for the bruce situation... HAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH
anyone wanna purchase a cheap moros?
Your momma so' fat..
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:07:00 -
[138]
Thread has become nothing more than spam.
locked.
Navigator Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang
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Efdi
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:21:00 -
[139]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Thread has become nothing more than spam.
locked.
Welp. _______________________________ Yes, I am an alt. No, I can't post with my main; he's forum banned. Yes, I will be happy to smack you with my main when I'm unbanned. |
Mayalla
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:42:00 -
[140]
Hold on, is it locked or not???
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Tobias Solem
Quack Mongers
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:44:00 -
[141]
IATL
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EzSnake
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:55:00 -
[142]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Thread has become nothing more than spam.
locked.
Forget something ???
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Robocop
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:58:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Efdi
Originally by: CCP Navigator Thread has become nothing more than spam.
locked.
You Sir need to go back to training on your forum mod tool's
Spartan Industries -SPA-
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Eaiaden
Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:15:00 -
[144]
IBTL omgorz, too bad we dont have post counts here no?
And btw, what a crappy thread, rly.
Originally by: Sean Faust The Typhoon is an oddity. It is EXTREMELY versatile and can be fit just about any way you can imagine. |
Weeman
Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:18:00 -
[145]
Edited by: Weeman on 27/05/2008 11:18:18
Originally by: Robocop
Originally by: Efdi
Originally by: CCP Navigator Thread has become nothing more than spam.
locked.
You Sir need to go back to training on your forum mod tool's
I got my hax from robo, who can't quote properly.
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Xealot
Sensi Stars
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:20:00 -
[146]
posting in a locked thread |
Faekurias
Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:24:00 -
[147]
Posting in ur locked thread. Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected] |
Desash
The Extremely Norty Gankers Union
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:39:00 -
[148]
Last?
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Efdi
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:42:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Eaiaden IBTL omgorz, too bad we dont have post counts here no?
And btw, what a crappy thread, rly.
Look at all dem fukken bitter tears.
Om nom nom nom nom nom. _______________________________ Yes, I am an alt. No, I can't post with my main; he's forum banned. Yes, I will be happy to smack you with my main when I'm unbanned. |
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:47:00 -
[150]
thread is locked as much as BRUCE is dead tbh. im glad they are still holding and really hope they will learn their lesson from this whole "incident".
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Billy Merc
Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.27 11:47:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Well everyone goes visit BRUCE because it is a fact they give out a ton of fights. You just have to wait and when they feel confident after assembling their sniper/rr hybrid group they will come out for you, instead of just ignoring you or dropping some titans into ya face.
This leads to them losing a ton of ships, but fact is they also keep coming back - so I can only assume if this pressure hasnt broken them already, then it is consolidating a core of pvpers that by now must know each other and like flying together. Ok - they probably arent masters at pvp or fcing as of now, but eve isnt a very complicated game and once a solid core of players sticking together is established its downhill from there. Honestly, right now, I think I see people like AAA disbanding more likely than BRUCE disbanding. I mean TRI anyone?
- Gob
And what this remaining core needs to remember is...that it does NOT have to end with the loss of stations / space...sure you will have to change to survive...but you will survive if u stick togther.....hell live out of empire and terrorize 0.0 with raiding party's...u guys are red to me...but this is a game...and i play it for fun...and thats all you should do to...and if ure smart you will realize that you fun comes from flying with your mates and not owning the space u lose :)......if ure smart u prob wont be reading this thread...but iam always on the lookout for a good "lol" and caod usually has one *r http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777866
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Mayalla
The Blackguard Wolves
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Originally by: Don ZOLA thread is locked as much as BRUCE is dead tbh. im glad they are still holding and really hope they will learn their lesson from this whole "incident".
The only lesson learned is that PL made possible for BoB to get back in Fountain, which BoB will now do. I hope you are ready to pack your POS'es up and leave real soon.
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Efdi
Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Efdi on 27/05/2008 13:24:20 Edited by: Efdi on 27/05/2008 13:23:35
Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: Don ZOLA thread is locked as much as BRUCE is dead tbh. im glad they are still holding and really hope they will learn their lesson from this whole "incident".
The only lesson learned is that PL made possible for BoB to get back in Fountain, which BoB will now do. I hope you are ready to pack your POS'es up and leave real soon.
An alliance 1/6 the size of Bruce was able to force them to leave. Do you really think they could've stood up to BoB?
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Kalmanaka
Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: Don ZOLA thread is locked as much as BRUCE is dead tbh. im glad they are still holding and really hope they will learn their lesson from this whole "incident".
The only lesson learned is that PL made possible for BoB to get back in Fountain, which BoB will now do. I hope you are ready to pack your POS'es up and leave real soon.
That's what all good pets do in Eve, and why PL never cared about POS warfare. They just had to soften BRUCE up for their masters.
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Kaar
Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kalmanaka
That's what all good pets do in Eve, and why PL never cared about POS warfare. They just had to soften BRUCE up for their masters.
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Kalmanaka
Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:36:00 -
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Vile rat
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.27 13:49:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Kalmanaka
That's what all good pets do in Eve, and why PL never cared about POS warfare. They just had to soften BRUCE up for their masters.
wow. Did you just say that PL were bob pets?
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:00:00 -
[158]
Heard locked topics were all the rage this year.
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Corvac
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:04:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Kalmanaka
That's what all good pets do in Eve, and why PL never cared about POS warfare. They just had to soften BRUCE up for their masters.
wow. Did you just say that PL were bob pets?
Yeah, we are goon pets. Get your facts straight.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:12:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Corvac
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Kalmanaka
That's what all good pets do in Eve, and why PL never cared about POS warfare. They just had to soften BRUCE up for their masters.
wow. Did you just say that PL were bob pets?
Yeah, we are goon pets. Get your facts straight.
And Goons are BoB pets. This was all explained by Slinktress, Vile. I am a little suprised that the memo has gotten lost
As for BRUCE, I for one am glad to see you cheerleading for BoB like a good pet to come avenge you. I look forward to future CAOD posts with much bitterness towards us when said Delve entities come after us, after all, the blame is much easier to lay on us then you, correct?
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Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 14:30:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: Don ZOLA thread is locked as much as BRUCE is dead tbh. im glad they are still holding and really hope they will learn their lesson from this whole "incident".
The only lesson learned is that PL made possible for BoB to get back in Fountain, which BoB will now do. I hope you are ready to pack your POS'es up and leave real soon.
avast. there are some which didnt learn the lesson yet. to cut the long story short - dont do the talk if you cant back it up. you had us as allies, YOU (not literally you i mean your leaders) decided to change that. they could have made deals - they didnt wanted. well take responsibility for your decisions and suffer consequences. who will come to fountain after Bruce its totally not our concern.
and btw neither PL and especially nor BRUCE can stop BOB from coming back to fountain. what was your mistake is that you could have used period before they decide to get back to get richer and strenghter alliance, not to get it in condition it is atm. So plz dont try to spin it again.
and on pets issue, we are everyones pets, just cuz we are so luvable and fluffy :)
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 15:35:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: Don ZOLA thread is locked as much as BRUCE is dead tbh. im glad they are still holding and really hope they will learn their lesson from this whole "incident".
The only lesson learned is that PL made possible for BoB to get back in Fountain, which BoB will now do. I hope you are ready to pack your POS'es up and leave real soon.
LOL.... PL doing something that will make Bob attack us, that never happen's
Scary to think how misinformed Bruce is about who PL are, and what it is we do in Eve. Oh well, lesson one learned, lets see about lesson 2
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Smurf Fellator
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Posted - 2008.05.27 16:14:00 -
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I, another Bruce alt, also wish to vent. I'm not hard to identify, and they can kick out my main, if they think that will benefit them at this stage.
EVE, for many of us, is our first chance to participate in an persistant organization of hundreds or thousands. The dynamics of that are, to me, far more entertaining and educational in failure mode than in rolling stomp mode. Don't be afraid of fighting on for a losing cause - in this world, you have little to lose but your clone cost, but abandoning your friends will cost you both them and a chance to participate in the endgame (at least the one EVE offers).
Pandemic Legion outskilled, outfought, and outFCed us. I have learned much about the team game from them, and hope to use it in the future. They benefit from experience and a recruitment model that only a few EVE alliances can rely upon. To any diplomats, do not measure them by their members, but by their active members, as their participation among the highest of any EVE alliance.
However, their participation in metagaming, I believe, is cancerous to the EVE community at large. It is that, perhaps more than any other thing, that has lead to Pandemic Legion both winning maybe 50 billion isk from 2 months on the Fountain moons, and alienating hundreds of players from ever lifting a finger in support of the Something Awful adolescents.
CCP can't do anything about metagaming, only the concerted disdain of the player base can. Should the majority of the long-game players cares only about "winning" at all costs, they will drive most of the player base (or targets, if you will) out of 0.0, and ultimately out of the subscriber base. That benefits no one.
With regards to the game, CCP has created one that, unlike Clausewitz, generally benefits the offence. They've attempted to patch this fault with ridiculous POS and sovereignty dynamics that are difficult to justify even in the RP context, and which serve mostly to redistribute power from the average player onto the multiple year addicts. That said, if you, as a 0.0 sovereignty holding alliance are offering your hard won moons to the highest bidder within your alliance, you lose. The only alliance members that should ever hold meaningful moons are those that can demonstrate they both know how CCP wants us to set them up, and who who demonstrate the ability to man their guns 23/7. If that excludes corporations of under 200 members, fine. The long game is not about SP, but about social skills.
As for Bruce, the internal disruption that occurred because of over-centralization of power and the departure of our decision-making strata is well documented on this thread and others elsewhere. Few of us bemoan our cohorts choice to follow real life priorities. Indeed I submit perhaps the only way to "win" EVE is to cancel your account.
I believe most of us never bought into the fictional Fried personality cult or any innate superiority, but into the idea that we could import our real-life values of honesty and generosity of spirit into our game lives. Some of the members misinterpreted our "code" to mean we should isolate ourselves in COAD, SHC, and local chat, but that was never intended by any active leader, and did our cause no good in the long run.
Regardless of whether the Bruce alliance lives on in name, there will be many players that through their real life upbringing, simply can never enjoy the game as griefers. I hope that some organization always exists to provide us a home.
Who cares about Bruce. Long live those who stand by their friends.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Smurf Fellator Who cares about Bruce. Long live those who stand by their friends.
The entire eleventy billion EvE players who comprised the "Coalition" cared about BRUCE. Problem was, BRUCE didn't care enough for itself or its "friends" to stand with them. It only cared about making their own wallets fat with the irrational conclusion that isk would be able to defeat BoB if they came to visit.
As for the metagaming aspect, BRUCE is probably one of the only 0.0 alliances that didn't/doesn't do it, so I'm sorry that "we" had to be your instructor. Like I said before, we're happy to be the source of your grief, it doesn't bother us at all. If it makes you feel better, so be it.
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Torso Addenda
Nihilists LLC
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Torso Addenda on 27/05/2008 17:17:11 deleted
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Smurf Fellator
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:18:00 -
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Problem was, BRUCE didn't care enough for itself or its "friends" to stand with them.
Most of the EVE communty has less then 2 years in the game, and that's perhaps why your multiple year wars over old affronts appear comical to us. As a 4 month old player I'm not aware of any significant difference between PL and BOB. BOB are 4 year old players who had a history in anti-piracy and feudal diplomacy. PL are 3 year old players who have a history in piracy and feudal diplomacy. BOB justifies the waste of their real lives because of an insult to a RL friend. The coalition justified the waste of their real lives because of the lulz and a chance to break another virtual community, and are now just as addicted and in despair over their investment in time and subscription isk.
"Coalition". "Alliance". Both factions you have failed to persuade the larger EVE community of any intrinsic merit. Those are just words. We'll use your conflicts for our fun. Sometimes profit. But we will stick to the friends we've made in vent and chat and even just melting our brains watching a mining laser, over any such label.
Even the youngest among us have watched what actually transpires at higher levels of organization. The superblocks are marraiges of convenience, at best. Members join them purely because of self-interest, and internecine warfare starts as soon as self-interest dictates. "Friends" is a a misnomer when it comes to organizations of more than one thousand.
Was Bruce diplomacy misguided, overambitious, and even arrogant? Hell yeah. Has the diplomatic staff changed? From the rank and file, there seems to be some movement, but I will not reveal any blue matters of current concern in a public forum. We still had more fun than the farmers in UNL. And we provided "the most fun I've had in two years" to the leader of PL. Smells like victory to me.
As for the Bruce objection to metagaming? We'll, its a founding principle, we all agreed to it when joining. We've all read that wordy "internal" Goon memo that the long lived alliances are those that are founded on communties or principles. BoB has very long-lived friendships. Goons have Something Aweful. Bruce was younger and tried principles. Perhaps the wrong ones. And we all saw how that experiment played out. I've no idea what cements PL, as I'm not in in the directorship and have no access to their internal forums.
Those of us who wish to continue to play the long game will adapt, and that will extend to which principles we choose to keep, and which we abandon as being incompatible with the long game.
But an overabundance of pirates has lead to low-sec being abandoned - L4 missioners now make more money. I believe an overabundance of POS nonsense and metagaming will lead to 0.0 being abandoned. You will have an empty sandbox. Is that the (virtual) world you want? Sometimes you just have to accept the reality of condom when there's AIDs about.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:23:00 -
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I think I wasted my life reading all that.
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:24:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Smurf Fellator snip
Should have posted with your main, its a good post.
PL bring the heat...your diplo's should have talked nice, rather than thought they had the big stick over the moon.
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Igor Walesa
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:41:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Smurf Fellator
But an overabundance of pirates has lead to low-sec being abandoned - L4 missioners now make more money. I believe an overabundance of POS nonsense and metagaming will lead to 0.0 being abandoned. You will have an empty sandbox. Is that the (virtual) world you want? Sometimes you just have to accept the reality of condom when there's AIDs about.
I don't know why I'm here, but I'll expand upon this.
PL, I want to give you props. You really did a great job. However, I wonder how you will feel in the coming months when you can patrol all the Fountain constellations and find them barren. Bruce space was one of the few places in which you could find activity in almost every system. There were always people on the undock, we almost always formed up to fight. Some of the areas of fountain bordered on the activity level of empire.
Good luck PL, I doubt you will find another target as enticing for a very long time. Maybe you should have savored it a little longer.
(The evil Noob Mercs are camping me so I might be delusional)
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Dazhbog
Psuedointellectuals
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:41:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: Smurf Fellator Who cares about Bruce. Long live those who stand by their friends.
The entire eleventy billion EvE players who comprised the "Coalition" cared about BRUCE. Problem was, BRUCE didn't care enough for itself or its "friends" to stand with them. It only cared about making their own wallets fat with the irrational conclusion that isk would be able to defeat BoB if they came to visit.
As for the metagaming aspect, BRUCE is probably one of the only 0.0 alliances that didn't/doesn't do it, so I'm sorry that "we" had to be your instructor. Like I said before, we're happy to be the source of your grief, it doesn't bother us at all. If it makes you feel better, so be it.
I'm curious. Don't you think that the apparent willingness of the actual coalition power holders to extort and discard minor coalition entities affected the willingness of emerging player groups like BRUCE to interact with the coalition? In fact, hasn't the coercion extended to groups like BRUCE who might wish to remain independent? Aren't you in fact, just another man with a gun saying "join us or die?"
I think its perfectly reasonable that a player group might bridle at such threats, especially given the cautionary tales of KOS and the various drone region entities that were not careful enough tiptoeing around RA.
In short, I find it disingenuous to claim to be offering friendship when the terms are subservience.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Smurf Fellator We'll use your conflicts for our fun. Sometimes profit.
This statement of yours shows that you get it. You used "us" and now you feel the consequences. Complaining about it will accomplish what?
In response to the M-D-K guy, please try to be a little more informed of the situation, or perhaps learn how to understand/comprehend what you read. We tried the nice-stick approach, this whole thing escalated because of BRUCE's arrogance to deals which (in hidsight to many many BRUCE members) was more than fair and benefitted them more than us.
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.05.27 17:52:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Eltyron In response to the M-D-K guy, please try to be a little more informed of the situation, or perhaps learn how to understand/comprehend what you read. We tried the nice-stick approach, this whole thing escalated because of BRUCE's arrogance to deals which (in hidsight to many many BRUCE members) was more than fair and benefitted them more than us.
Learn to read, thats what I said...
You had a moon, they wanted it...blah blah blah, you shot them.
I gave you props for bringing the heat in response to their diplomatic failure...now you blow it by failing to read...
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:05:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Dazhbog
I'm curious. Don't you think that the apparent willingness of the actual coalition power holders to extort and discard minor coalition entities affected the willingness of emerging player groups like BRUCE to interact with the coalition? In fact, hasn't the coercion extended to groups like BRUCE who might wish to remain independent? Aren't you in fact, just another man with a gun saying "join us or die?"
I think its perfectly reasonable that a player group might bridle at such threats, especially given the cautionary tales of KOS and the various drone region entities that were not careful enough tiptoeing around RA.
In short, I find it disingenuous to claim to be offering friendship when the terms are subservience.
If BRUCE had wished to remain independent, then they should not have asked to be blue to the Coalition so they could occupy systems where they did practically no work to pacify. Then they proceed to use said coalition as their 'meatshield' so they could carebear it up in Fountain.
As for extortion, in December, PL sent a roaming gang to BRUCE who were not yet blue, an hour after the engagament, BRUCE contacted PL leadership begging to blue us with the promise that they would fight BoB. With the mediation of Morsus Mihi leadership, this deal was brokered. Now that we have a bit of history/time to compare notes, who extorted whom?
We offered our friendship on the mutual understanding of the bigger picture. No talk of subservience was ever considered. BRUCE full well knew that should BoB prevail, they would be a large target. BRUCE had a chance to do something about it as an equal entity to all other parties interested in the bigger picture/future, but they chose not to. Now they reap what they have sown.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird
Learn to read, thats what I said...
You had a moon, they wanted it...blah blah blah, you shot them.
I gave you props for bringing the heat in response to their diplomatic failure...now you blow it by failing to read...
You are correct, I read your remark as a statement of challenge, not as a statement of fact. Apologies.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.27 18:49:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: Wesley Baird
Learn to read, thats what I said...
You had a moon, they wanted it...blah blah blah, you shot them.
I gave you props for bringing the heat in response to their diplomatic failure...now you blow it by failing to read...
You are correct, I read your remark as a statement of challenge, not as a statement of fact. Apologies.
Post needs more backpedalling and gunboat trolling.
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El Covah
LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:01:00 -
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Tbh, the most funny thing I found is that Bruce now thinks they can just "go back" to somewhere in NPC 0.0 (means: Syndicate) to "rebuild" (Read: continue ratting in peace).
Do you really think current people there will just let you walk in there and start "rebuilding"?
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Ciaphas Khaine
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: El Covah Tbh, the most funny thing I found is that Bruce now thinks they can just "go back" to somewhere in NPC 0.0 (means: Syndicate) to "rebuild" (Read: continue ratting in peace).
Do you really think current people there will just let you walk in there and start "rebuilding"?
i think everyone who has lived in syndicate during the last 8 or so months and has had to deal with BRUCE's bs can agree on thing.
and that is well be going out of our way to give them one warm welcome party when they come crawling back
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Smurf Fellator
BRUCE whine
Dear Smurf,
I am sorry, but if I recall correctly: Wasnt it BRUCE being so confident on metagaming as in keeping secrets and espionage?
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Yours truly
Mary Anne
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Lrrp
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:39:00 -
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I don't think Bruce expects anyone to "let" them do anything. As for crawling back, I don't see Bruce asking anyone if it is ok to come back to cluster
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S1r Minealot
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: S1r Minealot on 27/05/2008 21:23:24 very good post smurf, next time with your main please..
i wonder though why pl is trying to justify them that much to the community?
now all alts go derail this post please ;)
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Billy Merc
Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.27 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: S1r Minealot Edited by: S1r Minealot on 27/05/2008 21:23:24 very good post smurf, next time with your main please..
i wonder though why pl is trying to justify them that much to the community?
now all alts go derail this post please ;)
ummmm...because its a game ??...no one alliance in this game can say that they are "picture perfect saints"...and if there is they are a bunch of lieing *****.
tho i do love to troll caod and lol my ass off at : "Fail", "This", "Epic", "Win" and "Troll" and "smurf"....the cognitive ability of this community would make a fantastic paper http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777866
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AonChilo
Madison Industrial Co. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:10:00 -
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You can criticize BRUCE and try to tear its members down as much as you want and certainly their is justified and deserved critique, but for what its worth, I can say thisà
We brought the fights. We didnÆt hide, log or dock-up. We kept on throwing fleets at the enemy despite even heavy losses. The killboards (including BRUCE losses) show this. We even threw æmomsÆ at some of the best PVPers in the game, took losses there too, we still risked our isk. We came out to play despite knowing that our intel (forums, vent) were seriously compromised. We continued to duke it out having lost critical alliance leadership structure; despite having no major partners (other alliance power blocs) to assist us. We stayed the course even refusing offers of a supposed ôway outö (blue standings) in exchange for shift in directions, to engage in boring a$% æpos/sovÆ war against a powerful neighbor.
We attracted the attention of numerous hostile factions. Had a couple more alliances decided to jump on the band-wagon, one could almost say their was a ômini-anti BoB likeö coalition out to get us.
So I would say BRUCE, or us ôFountain carebearsö as our opponents like to label us, put in a pretty good effort here in Fountain. We made the game fun for thousands of Eve players.
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Mortecai
Wise Guys Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: AonChilo
We made the game fun for thousands of Eve players.
Oh but you still are making if fun, just not the fountain area players, now it's syndicates turn.
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Olex Grant
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Olex Grant on 28/05/2008 00:18:01
Originally by: AonChilo We didnÆt hide, log or dock-up. We kept on throwing fleets at the enemy despite even heavy losses. The killboards (including BRUCE losses) show this. We even threw æmomsÆ at some of the best PVPers in the game, took losses there too, we still risked our isk.
That's a basic requirement of trying to control some space in conquerable 0.0. If you're not willing to do those things you describe, you have no business being there in the first place.
My personal feeling was (and still is) that Syndicate did not adequately prepare BRUCE for the challenges they found themselves with in Fountain, which was always going to be the danger with the way the (then) leadership chose to operate in the region.
I guess you guys have decided to give Syndicate a second shot, so no doubt we will see how that pans out over the coming weeks.
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: AonChilo You can criticize BRUCE and try to tear its members down as much as you want and certainly their is justified and deserved critique, but for what its worth, I can say thisà
<snip>
Dear AonChilo,
I actually do feel your pain. Ingame as well as on CAOD boards. But there is something you and your mates have to live with: History is written by the winner, not by the loosers. BRUCE is not the winner, thus you do not write history - others do.
Why not just face the truth? Leave with style: Disband your alliance and give it a rest. CAOD alt posting and main posting dreaming of days long gone just shows one thing: the lack of ability to face the truth - Game Over.
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Zathi Shaitan
Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2008.05.28 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Anne History is written by the winner, not by the loosers. Mary Anne
And CAOD history is not written by the illiterates who do not know the difference between "losers" and "loosers".
That's you, honey.
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Sorrowed
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 01:53:00 -
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Quote: Should have posted with your main, its a good post.
PL bring the heat...your diplo's should have talked nice, rather than thought they had the big stick over the moon. .
Nice spin.
I find it humorous how PL can spew garbage like they are facts.
Fact: Goon appoached us and asked for help with bob on a particular push with less than 24hrs notice during our low pop time. Fried had said it would be almost impossible to muster the numbers they wanted on such short notice. within 72 hours after they lost the engagement we were reset by Goon and PL without notice and the 2 entitys were roaming our space wile we still had them blue popping our industrials.
After PL taking a few MH POSs they then asked for a few moons in and around the core area. We did not really want that as PL would end up a tenant by proxy just as MH was. At the time we had SOT and BLAST blue and wanted them to step up and have the moons as they were securing that area and were members of the fountain coilition. PL fast talked SoT, gave them the appearance i am guessing we wanted all the moons (not true) and they then reset us, starting this entire thing in motion.
Now PL, if you dispute any of this we can always post the chat logs between the diplos during this period. I do have them. I have no problem with ya flexing your E-peen about how awsome you are, however lets not spin the facts as to what your organisation trully represents. You lie on public forums to attack the morale of your opponent. You hack Vent, and private forums, edit the content and post it back so it follows your agenda.
I ask you, please give credit where credit is due in this decisive victory. Your Vent spy! Every single engagement your fleets listened with rapt attention to detail of our every move. Playing this game is fun. Not so fun when the other side has to take an advantage that was not desighned into the game. Vent hacking and forum hacking in no way has its place in any game.
I guess all i can say is, Good Show! But please spare us the dribble. "all we wanted was just a moon or two!" We all know the truth. Even if ya wont admit it.
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Vyktor Abyss
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 02:05:00 -
[188]
Smurf Fellator - whoever you are, good posts.
Shame more people like you dont post more often with mains "punching the sack of shy-te that is CAOD getting yourself dirty in the process...", since with more good posters it wouldn't actually be so bad to read.
Just to educate the few intelligent and respectful CAOD readers out there on the sorts of people in BRUCE - I was drawn to BRUCE after 2 years playing the 'good guy', sheriff role elsewhere and fancied a change of scene. BRUCE appeared to be built on a majority of these types of 'good guy' players, with similar (non-metagame, non-smack, 'make the game fun for everyone' ideals) it seemed like a natural home.
I joined only 1 month ago and despite a whirlwind of trying to adjust to being part BRUCE during a tough time for the alliance, I was never disappointed with my choice. The maturity of the community of people in BRUCE to quietly roll with all the punches and still be extracting the enjoyment from the game, no matter what the results of the fights was the most impressive thing I have witnessed thus far in BRUCE.
I've not got enough knowledge of the working alliance to say what went wrong, whether it will rise again to the same level under the new leadership but what I can say is that I was never disappointed by the characters in BRUCE and I'm sure many of those are still there so BRUCE should not be underestimated or written off yet.
I am proud to have been part of BRUCE for even such a short time despite what all the immature, obtuse, negative things other players might say. I think its already known/published earlier in the thread by an alt blabber *sigh* that our corp is leaving so I guess I will be leaving BRUCE too. I'm not sure what I'll do next personally...but I do hope I'm ok to say my first and last "Long live the Bruces!!"
Those in the know, know the truth about BRUCE anyway and will echo me in saying....
....CCP should have locked this thread properly long ago!
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 02:43:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Sorrowed
words
Excellent re-spin.
I also find it humorous how BRUCE can spew their inability to hold 0.0 player owned stations like it was the cool thing to do.
Fact: I like how you included the prior 5 months of BRUCE's inactivity around Delve in determining why we are killing you now. That 1 engagement you speak of was surely the sole reason PL and Goons did not keep you blue. Honest.
I do dispute your claims as to the initial diplomatic conversations. I know the timeline of events since we moved in, I was graciously allowed to assist in my own small part in making those decisions. Go ahead and post the logs, it will show everyone exactly what we want people to know.
As for giving you credit, we do. Thank you for providing us a month of fun. Thank you for putting up awesome fights against us which both sides hopefully enjoyed. Thank you for showing us that carebears and farmers with pitchforks can do some serious damage. Thank you for showing the rest of EvE that your ideology can work in 0.0.
And if 1 vent spy can cause the loss of roughly 700 battleships and make a 120 man fleets run away from our 30 man gang repeatedly, then he deserves a medal. Maybe you can suggest one as I hear you have lots of models to choose from?
I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size. If you wish to believe your version of the truth, go ahead. The bottom line is, did you have fun? We did.
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Sorrowed
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 03:40:00 -
[190]
Quote: And if 1 vent spy can cause the loss of roughly 700 battleships and make a 120 man fleets run away from our 30 man gang repeatedly, then he deserves a medal.
1 vent spy at every battle giveing ultimate tactical advantage from the onset of every battle. Sir, with all due respect, you hacked our forums as well. You edited posts made by reps and re-gurgitated them publically as truth. Justify it how you like, i know for a fact you were interested in all the high end moons in fountain from the onset. It was not a group 1/7th the size either. You were operating with Goon on one side of Bruce space, You on the other, SoT, CI, Bob, and various other norther groups all roaming through.
I am not saying bruce made no mistakes, im just calling you out on your BS. You lie. You actually cheat? if there is such a thing. I dont see how it can be fun when ya have to commit a felony by hacking forums just to get an edge in a game. Hey, have at it. Just dont spew off how it was your tactical genious that got ya the win. You cheated......and now ya just admitted it.
Well done.
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Kindra Blades
Celestial Pillagers
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Posted - 2008.05.28 03:45:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Eltyron
BS spewage
Thank you for showing that you can't fight an opponent without metagaming.
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 03:56:00 -
[192]
Keep blaming us for your failures. Your tears are so so sweet.
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Sorrowed
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 04:04:00 -
[193]
I am not blameing you for anything. It is not blame. Think of it as a public service announcment. You can not play the game as it was intended so you have to take advantage over others that they do not have access to.
That is a fact you have already admitted to. It was not a failure of mine. It was being niave to the fact that others cheat, and we did not sa***uard ourselves to it. Would bruce have lost fountain anyhow? possibly. But you have forever spoiled the win by your means to the end.
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Real Darkling
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 04:21:00 -
[194]
LOL @ Bruce.
You still own most of Fountain, where are you all going???
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Eltyron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 05:47:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Sorrowed I am not blameing you for anything. It is not blame. Think of it as a public service announcment. You can not play the game as it was intended so you have to take advantage over others that they do not have access to.
That is a fact you have already admitted to. It was not a failure of mine. It was being niave to the fact that others cheat, and we did not sa***uard ourselves to it. Would bruce have lost fountain anyhow? possibly. But you have forever spoiled the win by your means to the end.
Welcome to Eve, where a huge amount of people look to cheat other players. You should listen to Fried's last Fireside, iirc he acknowledges that BRUCE has spies around EvE. Funny that BRUCE would stoop so gosh darn low to employ those methods.
You remind me of me, when I was in KOS and we were evicted from Wicked Creek. I was always eager to create excuses to make KOS the Shining White Knite it wasn't. Metagaming was enemy #1.
On a serious note, I had great respect for BRUCE, just not how their leadership was so out of touch with many many things.
Best of luck in the future.
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Mayalla
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.05.28 06:38:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Mary Anne History is written by the winner, not by the loosers.
lol, you're not even close to the truth here (from my personal and my country's RL experience)... .
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Wusti
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.05.28 07:11:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Eltyron
Originally by: Sorrowed
Blah blah.
On a serious note, I had great respect for BRUCE, just not how their leadership was so out of touch with many many things.
Best of luck in the future.
QFTW.
Back when we first came to Syndicate, the first enemies we picked were BRUCE. Why? Because all your high and mighty "ideals" and wonderfully heroic statements of direction and principle were proven BS within a week (and yes I have chat-log proof to back up my claims 12oz, Trayk and Zaphod)
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure many BRUCE members do indeed try to live up to that, and we've come across woeful smacky-BRUCEs and some good sports - as you would expect in any alliance. BUT, I can't help but think that BRUCE was fatally flawed to begin with - and from within, not from without. Your leaders lied to you and mislead you and eventually began to believe all the BS they spewed - hence the long fall following so shortly after the meteoric rise.
I wish the remaining BRUCE's the best of luck (since the ones I had issue with "appear" to have gone) in trying to re-take your old homes in Syndicate. We will be here to welcome you.
Just as an aside - whilst I personally do not engage in metagaming (only coz I'm too dumb to figure out how ), I can only admire those with the dedication and singlemindedness of purpose to do WHATEVER is require for victory. PL et al, I salute you GJ. _______________________
Welcome to The New Era
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Brmble
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.28 07:36:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Mayalla
Originally by: Mary Anne History is written by the winner, not by the loosers.
lol, you're not even close to the truth here (from my personal and my country's RL experience)... .
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Malcore Trisus
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 07:49:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Sorrowed
Quote: Should have posted with your main, its a good post.
PL bring the heat...your diplo's should have talked nice, rather than thought they had the big stick over the moon. .
Nice spin.
I find it humorous how PL can spew garbage like they are facts.
Fact: Goon appoached us and asked for help with bob on a particular push with less than 24hrs notice during our low pop time. Fried had said it would be almost impossible to muster the numbers they wanted on such short notice. within 72 hours after they lost the engagement we were reset by Goon and PL without notice and the 2 entitys were roaming our space wile we still had them blue popping our industrials.
After PL taking a few MH POSs they then asked for a few moons in and around the core area. We did not really want that as PL would end up a tenant by proxy just as MH was. At the time we had SOT and BLAST blue and wanted them to step up and have the moons as they were securing that area and were members of the fountain coilition. PL fast talked SoT, gave them the appearance i am guessing we wanted all the moons (not true) and they then reset us, starting this entire thing in motion.
Now PL, if you dispute any of this we can always post the chat logs between the diplos during this period. I do have them. I have no problem with ya flexing your E-peen about how awsome you are, however lets not spin the facts as to what your organisation trully represents. You lie on public forums to attack the morale of your opponent. You hack Vent, and private forums, edit the content and post it back so it follows your agenda.
I ask you, please give credit where credit is due in this decisive victory. Your Vent spy! Every single engagement your fleets listened with rapt attention to detail of our every move. Playing this game is fun. Not so fun when the other side has to take an advantage that was not desighned into the game. Vent hacking and forum hacking in no way has its place in any game.
I guess all i can say is, Good Show! But please spare us the dribble. "all we wanted was just a moon or two!" We all know the truth. Even if ya wont admit it.
Your tears, they are so sweet.
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Julius Scipio
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.05.28 08:14:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Malcore Trisus
Originally by: Sorrowed
Quote: Should have posted with your main, its a good post.
PL bring the heat...your diplo's should have talked nice, rather than thought they had the big stick over the moon. .
Nice spin.
I find it humorous how PL can spew garbage like they are facts.
Fact: Goon appoached us and asked for help with bob on a particular push with less than 24hrs notice during our low pop time. Fried had said it would be almost impossible to muster the numbers they wanted on such short notice. within 72 hours after they lost the engagement we were reset by Goon and PL without notice and the 2 entitys were roaming our space wile we still had them blue popping our industrials.
After PL taking a few MH POSs they then asked for a few moons in and around the core area. We did not really want that as PL would end up a tenant by proxy just as MH was. At the time we had SOT and BLAST blue and wanted them to step up and have the moons as they were securing that area and were members of the fountain coilition. PL fast talked SoT, gave them the appearance i am guessing we wanted all the moons (not true) and they then reset us, starting this entire thing in motion.
Now PL, if you dispute any of this we can always post the chat logs between the diplos during this period. I do have them. I have no problem with ya flexing your E-peen about how awsome you are, however lets not spin the facts as to what your organisation trully represents. You lie on public forums to attack the morale of your opponent. You hack Vent, and private forums, edit the content and post it back so it follows your agenda.
I ask you, please give credit where credit is due in this decisive victory. Your Vent spy! Every single engagement your fleets listened with rapt attention to detail of our every move. Playing this game is fun. Not so fun when the other side has to take an advantage that was not desighned into the game. Vent hacking and forum hacking in no way has its place in any game.
I guess all i can say is, Good Show! But please spare us the dribble. "all we wanted was just a moon or two!" We all know the truth. Even if ya wont admit it.
Your tears, they are so sweet.
So you engaged in criminality to win a game Pandemic Legion. I just hope our credit cards are safe.
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Slinktress
legion of qui Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.05.28 09:26:00 -
[201]
BRUCE deserves even more respect than FLA did in the day for facing such odds and ugliness yet not wavering from their high standards of what they believe in, including NOT flipping sides to gain an advantage.
What MMO doesn't strive for a FAIR game and an equal chance at fun and success? This is usually a concept that gets cheered! o.0
Anyway, I have high hopes that some good changes will come through PL now the exceedingly talented OS*** corp has joined who know how to bring a good fight without hacks and cheats.
*I speak on my own and not for my current corp/alliance, but ex-FLA and BLAST leadership tip their hats to BRUCE* o7
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.28 09:43:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Julius Scipio
So you engaged in criminality to win a game Pandemic Legion. I just hope our credit cards are safe.
Quick call your bank, they're prolly ordering 100s of polycarbs from amazon.com RIGHT NOW !
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evoli rehathe
The Blackstone Group Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 09:55:00 -
[203]
Didn't help that we were losing players and corps at a unbelievable pace while PL picked up a corp or two with probably a bigger cap fleet than BRUCE could field anymore. Welp, atleast the last month of pvp has been great with PL and friends. GG. Weird I'm posting in a locked thread in a dead alliance!
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Corvac
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 09:58:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Astasia Orian
Originally by: Julius Scipio
So you engaged in criminality to win a game Pandemic Legion. I just hope our credit cards are safe.
Quick call your bank, they're prolly ordering 100s of polycarbs from amazon.com RIGHT NOW !
Too late, they are already in the mail, together with a nice collection of domination overdrives. Thanks BRUCE!
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Zartek Mattlov
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:02:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Astasia Orian
Originally by: Julius Scipio
So you engaged in criminality to win a game Pandemic Legion. I just hope our credit cards are safe.
Quick call your bank, they're prolly ordering 100s of polycarbs from amazon.com RIGHT NOW !
Sorry I can't hear over the sound of how awesomely fast I'm going.
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:04:00 -
[206]
I can travel through time in real life
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:31:00 -
[207]
I like the Goons, who say Pandemic Legion have the best FCs in Eve. I like, if PL and Goon permanently call the Bruce leadership all metagamers and the members all only carebears. I also like the high activity of from Pandemic Legion and Goon members in this forum. So there is no doubt, it must be all true.
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:50:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 10:51:23
The posting of sweet BRUCE main and alt tears does not cease in this thread. So now - since my collapsing vision apparently came true - what are your bets on BRUCEs future?
My vote: fading away - "We pwnd the universe and are just rebuilding (for more than 24 months)!"
-- You are reading a signature.
BRUCE rl photo shoot of the tight knit hardcore players
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 10:59:00 -
[209]
Well, looks like another three corps dropped out overnight, which is one step further to BRUCE achieving the hardcore tight knit group of like-minded individuals that is going to save them.
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Darc Kaahar
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:04:00 -
[210]
Would they not just form a ball of death. That would solve everything.
Bruce I will FC your fleets for only 3 billion a week. Sound fair?
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:08:00 -
[211]
Originally by: sakana Well, looks like another three corps dropped out overnight, which is one step further to BRUCE achieving the hardcore tight knit group of like-minded individuals that is going to save them.
This ^^
-- You are reading a signature.
BRUCE rl photo shoot of the tight knit hardcore players
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Carin K
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:09:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Slinktress
Anyway, I have high hopes that some good changes will come through PL now the exceedingly talented OS*** corp has joined who know how to bring a good fight without hacks and cheats.
Not falling for your elaborate troll, no sirey!
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:09:00 -
[213]
Edited by: blue strigoy on 28/05/2008 11:11:18
Originally by: Mary Anne Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 10:51:23
The posting of sweet BRUCE main and alt tears does not cease in this thread. So now - since my collapsing vision apparently came true - what are your bets on BRUCEs future?
My vote: fading away - "We pwnd the universe and are just rebuilding (for more than 24 months)!"
...as there will be more Pandemic Legion and Goon main and alt posts. It could become a never ending story even, if the Bruce noobs are no more in Fountain. Bright prospects forever? Lets just hope as Goons and Pandemic Legion members, that we can harvest these Dysprosium moons, we conquered in Fountain for longer!
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:20:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 11:19:47
Originally by: blue strigoy ...as there will be more Pandemic Legion and Goon main and alt posts. It could become a never ending story even, if the Bruce noobs are no more in Fountain.
But BRUCE alts are the ones shedding tears... sweet tears...
-- You are reading a signature.
BRUCE rl photo shoot of the tight knit hardcore players
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:23:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Mr Rive on 28/05/2008 11:25:31
Originally by: Slinktress BRUCE deserves even more respect than FLA did in the day for facing such odds
*undocks 200 BS to a 40 man HAC gang loses 20 then blames spies for it*
*then retreats to home systems not gang warping your BS laving another 20 behind to die*
*calling op a success because over half your BS got home, killed a HAC, and it wouldve gone a lot better if they didnt have dirty spies on our TS*
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TJ17
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:32:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Carin K
Originally by: Slinktress
Anyway, I have high hopes that some good changes will come through PL now the exceedingly talented OS*** corp has joined who know how to bring a good fight without hacks and cheats.
Not falling for your elaborate troll, no sirey!
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:38:00 -
[217]
Originally by: evoli rehathe posting in a locked thread in a dead alliance!
Brutally Collapsing - dead without knowing they are dead yet. Then again that is called a Zombie. Zombies can be mean... -- You are reading a signature.
BRUCE rl photo shoot of the tight knit likeminded hardcore players
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 11:50:00 -
[218]
I bet Mary Anne is a snigg alt, snigg is rife with awful people who hide behind alts.
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:04:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Gneeznow I bet Mary Anne is a snigg alt, snigg is rife with awful people who hide behind alts.
Awwwwww cmon do not ruin the surprise - thats kept for later on. -- You are reading a signature.
BRUCE rl photo shoot of the tight knit likeminded hardcore players
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:16:00 -
[220]
Yeah, damn them snigg. Filthy metagamers I say.
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:28:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Antodias Yeah, damn them snigg. Filthy metagamers I say.
That is not fair. Snigg are the good guys.
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Carrier Eleven
EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:42:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Eltyron
I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size.
1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).
And you STILL had to resort to hacking/spies to win.
Wow, you ARE too l33t
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Carin K
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:46:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Carrier Eleven
Originally by: Eltyron
I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size.
1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).
And you STILL had to resort to hacking/spies to win.
Wow, you ARE too l33t
no, not too 1337, just intelligent enoguh to realise goonswarm only brought their blackops section not all of them.
think before you use CAPITAL ITALICS
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:50:00 -
[224]
Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 12:50:32
Originally by: Carrier Eleven
Originally by: Eltyron
I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size.
1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).
And you STILL had to resort to hacking/spies to win.
Wow, you ARE too l33t
More BRUCE tears? What did your mommy say, seeing your eyes all red for days now - from the crying that is?
Does it hurt?
-- You are reading a signature.
BRUCE rl photo shoot of the tight knit likeminded hardcore players
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Hammerfall Ceo
Hammerfall Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:57:00 -
[225]
Hammerfall Industries will stand side by side with BoB and helps them to defeat BRUCE.
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:57:00 -
[226]
Edited by: blue strigoy on 28/05/2008 12:59:22
Originally by: Carin K
Originally by: Carrier Eleven
Originally by: Eltyron
I know the truth. The truth is that BRUCE tried to be a big fish in the pond and got beaten by its own fat, arrogance and a smaller meaner fish 1/7th its size.
1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).
And you STILL had to resort to hacking/spies to win.
Wow, you ARE too l33t
no, not too 1337, just intelligent enoguh to realise goonswarm only brought their blackops section not all of them.
think before you use CAPITAL ITALICS
This is fail spin. It was not our cloaking morrons sitting around somewhere in Fountain. Forget about them. Who cares about somebody, somewhere cloaked 23/7 and afk? It was our superior Goon Intelligence Agency and the great work of our agents in Bruce. Only this way our operation (codename: artichoke) could flourish like it did.
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De Lucci
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Posted - 2008.05.28 13:19:00 -
[227]
Edited by: De Lucci on 28/05/2008 13:21:59 Watching this little conflict since it started I've gotta say good show to at least two of the three sides in Fountain. BRUCE for constantly bringing the fight, apparently having the balls to jump into sniper fleets, albeit being unable to adapt properly. BoB for finding the perfect time to have Goons & Co hand them a [edit: another] region on a plate with no real resistance.
Would give props to PL. Their tactics, planning, activity and intelligence were excellent from what I got to see. But there's metagaming in the sense of having spies and live broadcast of enemy comms, or stealing valuables from the enemy to deprive them of resources - entirely within legal and game mechanic bounds - and then there's having some Indonesian guy hack your enemies forums, "creatively" edit posts and then spam links to it in local 23/7 just to try and dishearten your enemy. Might as well have just skipped it and gone straight to stealing and cleaning out key enemies accounts, its about as low.
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The Blinded
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Posted - 2008.05.28 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: De Lucci Edited by: De Lucci on 28/05/2008 13:21:59 Watching this little conflict since it started I've gotta say good show to at least two of the three sides in Fountain. BRUCE for constantly bringing the fight, apparently having the balls to jump into sniper fleets, albeit being unable to adapt properly. BoB for finding the perfect time to have Goons & Co hand them a [edit: another] region on a plate with no real resistance.
Would give props to PL. Their tactics, planning, activity and intelligence were excellent from what I got to see. But there's metagaming in the sense of having spies and live broadcast of enemy comms, or stealing valuables from the enemy to deprive them of resources - entirely within legal and game mechanic bounds - and then there's having some Indonesian guy hack your enemies forums, "creatively" edit posts and then spam links to it in local 23/7 just to try and dishearten your enemy. Might as well have just skipped it and gone straight to stealing and cleaning out key enemies accounts, its about as low.
I hope you realize that BRUCE was using exactly same kinds of metagaming, only with way less success - with reps crying out loud about being outplayed by PL in yet another field.
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Carrier Eleven
1/7th? SoT + PL + CI + Goons = approx 6500 not to mention the hundreds of other pilots that tended to wander in looking for a fight (Hi BoB!!).
It's true, BRUCE were totally outnumbered in every fight.
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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I think BRUCE is giving too much credit to metagaming in this case. In virtually all large scale battles there is an element of metagaming. Look at the current Smashkill/Goons fight, or Insurgency/Tri vs The North, the number of spies on all sides is shocking...yet in all cases both sides win and lose fights in the face of metagaming...as everyone has developed tools to defeat spies on comms.
If your vent/ts spies aren't in command chat, they really shouldn't make much difference in a fight.
Give credit where credit is due, PL/CI deserve credit for their tactics and skill on the battlefield. The same is true that BRUCE leadership and FC's need to take some (see all) of the blame for failures...its easy to blame spies, rather than examine why you failed.
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 13:46:57
Dear BRUCE members,
actually all this is not about defeat or not. It is about gloating, over-confidence, bragging and behaving bad out of game in the sense of partially even asocial behaviour. In fact it is about BRUCE only.
Considering the former attitude of BRUCE and the failed attempts in trying to make BRUCE appear as a victim afterwards is a failed concept in itself - a blatant lie. In fact it is as follows:
1. everyone closeby realized that BRUCE is just a mere piece of dead meat, but still warm 2. people step by and feast as long as it is still warm and trying to move 3. there was no great alliance formed with the goal to kick BRUCE - we just stepped by and took what never was yours in the first place
a. BRUCE said: numbers >> skill b. BOB proved in a positive way: skill and dedication >> numbers c. BRUCE proved in a negative way: numbers << skill
As a matter of fact, the BRUCE concept was a fail concept in the first place - Why so much emo when hearing just the truth?
Shed your tears in my arms - I will listen to you.
Yours truly
Mary Anne
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 13:57:00 -
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Honestly from this thread, seems like alot of Bruce still haven't learned anything.
1. PL fight people, thats all we do, thats it, nothing but fight. So, when we find people that will fight us back, we are happy little eve'rs. We sat in Bob home systems and fought them until they gave up and turned to Blob / mass cap fleet tactics- aka lag fighting. So we went to fountian for a quick holiday, and Bruce turned it into a war.
2. We want people to attack fountian.... ie see 1. Don't care about stations, sov, jump bridges, or any other crap.
3. Everyone in Eve has spy's, that ain't hacking. Everytime Bob fights Goons in a major battle there listening to each other TS... how the hell can you be a 0.0 alliance and not know this ???? I have fought against real hacker alliance, and PL ain't even close. We didn't hide the fact we had spy's, in fact we posted in Goon forums so all of Eve could read about it, so hopefully, again, you would learn something.
4. Bruce lost all the fights cause you post your fittings, and for some reason beyond most of PL, you don't seem to know when we have the advantage and just warp out until you have the right position. Typical PL vs Bob fights for example, can involve multi warp in's / out's before even one shot is fired, on both sides.
Bruce was willing to fight, however they just couldn't learn from the engagements, nor develop a understanding of what real 0.0 warfare is about. Bruce where much like Goons, but Goons had BOS and others teaching them the basics. It is here that Bruce failed. After major defeats, Bruce leadership should have just taken an offer, and the chance too learn what was needed before Bob showed up :(
Honestly never wanted your space, or the watch you collapse, but it became clear to everyone Bruce was going to be no help, and in fact, just in the way. Go back to NPC space, join up with a real fighting alliance or get Blue with some, bring med size gangs into the wars, and start learning what it is all about, then come back and kick ass
Best of luck !
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:05:00 -
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Mary Anne, you are truly a piece of work. Nice try at trying to sow despondency within the Bruce ranks. Unfortunately you are a little late as we have been hammered incessantly by it. The weak have left and those that now remain are teflon coated to CAOD remarks such as yours. In our alliance chats there is a new sense of camaraderie, a resolve to pick up and recover the broken pieces left by others. Bruce is far from dead. So when, Mary Anne, your dust like assertions are scattered in the ether, you can come to my arms and cry softly because you have been found to be a nobody.
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Alekanderu
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Anax Walsinghami Edited by: Anax Walsinghami on 28/05/2008 14:08:37 Mary Anne, you are truly a piece of work. Nice try at trying to sow despondency within the Bruce ranks. Unfortunately you are a little late as we have been hammered incessantly by it. The weak have left and those that now remain are teflon coated to COAD remarks such as yours. In our alliance chats there is a new sense of camaraderie, a resolve to pick up and recover the broken pieces left by others. Bruce is far from dead. So when, Mary Anne, your dust like assertions are scattered in the ether, you can come to my arms and cry softly because you have been found to be a nobody.
rising like a phoenix from the ashes, freed from the shackles of our stations, finally able to unleash the fury of our wolfpacks
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Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 14:14:42
Originally by: Anax Walsinghami Mary Anne, you are truly a piece of work. Nice try at trying to sow despondency within the Bruce ranks. Unfortunately you are a little late as we have been hammered incessantly by it. The weak have left and those that now remain are teflon coated to CAOD remarks such as yours. In our alliance chats there is a new sense of camaraderie, a resolve to pick up and recover the broken pieces left by others. Bruce is far from dead. So when, Mary Anne, your dust like assertions are scattered in the ether, you can come to my arms and cry softly because you have been found to be a nobody.
Dear Anax,
I mourn with you. It is just... discouraging to hear the same old shibboleth, realizing BRUCE did not learn at all. A failed concept is a failed concept simple as that. The big boys like MC, TRI,... do it with style - they face the truth based on facts and just close doors.
BRUCE instead tries to blame others - taking no responsibilty, while offering no consequence. It is a clear sign of immaturity and total lack in understanding the facts. Dead is dead - simple as that.
Yours truly
Mary Anne
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: blue strigoy on 28/05/2008 14:22:42
Originally by: Wesley Baird I think BRUCE is giving too much credit to metagaming in this case. In virtually all large scale battles there is an element of metagaming. Look at the current Smashkill/Goons fight, or Insurgency/Tri vs The North, the number of spies on all sides is shocking...yet in all cases both sides win and lose fights in the face of metagaming...as everyone has developed tools to defeat spies on comms.
If your vent/ts spies aren't in command chat, they really shouldn't make much difference in a fight.
Give credit where credit is due, PL/CI deserve credit for their tactics and skill on the battlefield. The same is true that BRUCE leadership and FC's need to take some (see all) of the blame for failures...its easy to blame spies, rather than examine why you failed.
Why should Bruce members not also talk about the 'other' methods, which PL and Goon used and used very often, as I heard?
Why should executing these methods have no weight, why would PLGoon do it, if metagaming would not help anyway?
Believe me. Destroying Bruce from the inside was the key. Losing a battle or two, do you think that does really matter over all?
All those posts from PL/Goon about Bruce making them look like Noobs and Carebears like Rise, comparing them with ASCN and other dead alliances. Of course now Bruce is dead. The job is done well.
Why should former average Bruce members say now: "Thank you PLGoon for destroying our alliance, my assets and game fun in the last months, it was always nice and fair?"
You can not gank somebody, if you do not know, he is there and weak. There is no doubt, it is a lot easier to gank a miner or ratter, if your Bruce alt is sitting next to him or watching the Bruce intel channels and tells you, what he will do next, and the victim does not even know, that his killers are even close. That is what happened. Why should we not talk about it? I can only say, we Goon spies did a great job. And all the others: sry you are only the second winner.
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: HotSeat
1. PL fight people, thats all we do, thats it, nothing but fight. So, when we find people that will fight us back, we are happy little eve'rs. We sat in Bob home systems and fought them until they gave up and turned to Blob / mass cap fleet tactics- aka lag fighting. So we went to fountian for a quick holiday, and Bruce turned it into a war.
Yeah, I remember that! I'm sorry that people gave up fighting your cruiser gangs on their own when travelling around or shooting at NPC's in belts. That wasn't very honourable. PL's uberness is known around the universe. I remember this one time in Delve when PL used capital ships. That was quite something, it was a bunch of carriers that were to rep a POS. For whatever reason - they blew up, their pilots must have crashed or something, PL would have never lost those carriers in another situation, they are simply too uber for that. |
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:32:00 -
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This whole thread makes me lolirl@bruce.
Glad to see Bruce finally got what was coming to them. The smug "holier than thou" attitude they had was frankly annoying.
The whole alliance was a scam tbh. They mass recruited corps in with no requirements at all...just wanted them to pay taxes. Then mysteriously their dictator leader leaves them and takes along everything that isn't nailed down. Makes me laugh at people who still shout the Bruce propaganda (Long Live Bruce! lol).
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Anne
Originally by: blue strigoy
Why should Bruce members not also talk about the 'other' methods, which PL and Goon used and used very often, as I heard?
Why should executing these methods have no weight, why would PLGoon do it, if metagaming would not help anyway?
Believe me. Destroying Bruce from the inside was the key. Losing a battle or two, do you think that does really matter over all?
All those posts from PL/Goon about Bruce making them look like Noobs and Carebears like Rise, comparing them with ASCN and other dead alliances. Of course now Bruce is dead. The job is done well.
Why should former average Bruce members say now: "Thank you PLGoon for destroying our alliance, my assets and game fun in the last months, it was always nice and fair?"
You can not gank somebody, if you do not know, he is there and weak. There is no doubt, it is a lot easier to gank a miner or ratter, if your Bruce alt is sitting next to him or watching the Bruce intel channels and tells you, what he will do next, and the victim does not even know, that his killers are even close. That is what happened. Why should we not talk about it? I can only say, we Goon spies did a great job. And all the others: sry you are only the second winner.
Dear blue,
*sigh* the learning curve is not steep for BRUCE isnt it?
It is the others fault, not BRUCE's. In fact it was the spy only from the inside. BRUCE are soooooooo perfect, that it becomes obvious there must have been a hacker - rl. One former BRUCE even threatens with a rl law suit...
C'mon get real - this is a one sided lollercoaster discussion. Fail is fail - BRUCE failed.
Yours most kindly
Mary Anne
That is not fair. How you want to play down my good work as Goon spy now.
So there was no Goon Black ops team, there were no Psy ops, no spaming CAOD with Fail bruce threads, no spamming Local with links to Kugutsumen's Forum, Kugutsumen had nothing to do with all of this, somebody hacked his forum and posted all these quotes and private messages from the Bruce internal forums?
Is this correct now?
ps: Oh and Kugutsumen is no more playing Eve and certainly no member of Pandemic Legion. OF course we all knew this.
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: blue strigoy
That is not fair. How you want to play down my good work as Goon spy now.
So there was no Goon Black ops team, there were no Psy ops, no spaming CAOD with Fail bruce threads, no spamming Local with links to Kugutsumen's Forum, Kugutsumen had nothing to do with all of this, somebody hacked his forum and posted all these quotes and private messages from the Bruce internal forums?
Is this correct now?
ps: Oh and Kugutsumen is no more playing Eve and certainly no member of Pandemic Legion. OF course we all knew this.
Why not just enjoy our dirty work and wholeheartly endorse the results while adding cream and a cherry atop?
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Anax Walsinghami
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Anne Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 14:14:42
Dear Anax,
I mourn with you. It is just... discouraging to hear the same old shibboleth, realizing BRUCE did not learn at all. A failed concept is a failed concept simple as that. The big boys like MC, TRI,... do it with style - they face the truth based on facts and just close doors.
BRUCE instead tries to blame others - taking no responsibilty, while offering no consequence. It is a clear sign of immaturity and total lack in understanding the facts. Dead is dead - simple as that.
Yours truly
Mary Anne
Sorry Mary Anne, you talk of the "old" Bruce while posting under a alt. Do have the courage to use your main. Was not Huzzah at one time considered dead? Yet somehow they rebounded. Bruce will do like wise.
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: blue strigoy on 28/05/2008 14:40:08
Originally by: Mary Anne Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 14:37:08
Originally by: blue strigoy
That is not fair. How you want to play down my good work as Goon spy now.
So there was no Goon Black ops team, there were no Psy ops, no spaming CAOD with Fail bruce threads, no spamming Local with links to Kugutsumen's Forum, Kugutsumen had nothing to do with all of this, somebody hacked his forum and posted all these quotes and private messages from the Bruce internal forums?
Is this correct now?
ps: Oh and Kugutsumen is no more playing Eve and certainly no member of Pandemic Legion. OF course we all knew this.
Dear blue,
why not just enjoy our dirty work and wholeheartly endorse the results while adding cream and a cherry atop?
With sincere regards
Mary Anne
EDIT: forgot proper letter style - you need style since it makes others realize you are different.
I thought we need more attention to this thread. I bring more clicks, words and letters. That is a good thing, isn't it? Now it is your turn again to answer.
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Carin K
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
Originally by: HotSeat
1. PL fight people, thats all we do, thats it, nothing but fight. So, when we find people that will fight us back, we are happy little eve'rs. We sat in Bob home systems and fought them until they gave up and turned to Blob / mass cap fleet tactics- aka lag fighting. So we went to fountian for a quick holiday, and Bruce turned it into a war.
Yeah, I remember that! I'm sorry that people gave up fighting your cruiser gangs on their own when travelling around or shooting at NPC's in belts. That wasn't very honourable. PL's uberness is known around the universe. I remember this one time in Delve when PL used capital ships. That was quite something, it was a bunch of carriers that were to rep a POS. For whatever reason - they blew up, their pilots must have crashed or something, PL would have never lost those carriers in another situation, they are simply too uber for that.
Your memory is good! I remember this one time in an eve tourney where you said that your setup was truly "unbeatable". That was quite something, it was a solid setup and got you through the group stages. For whatever reason - it failed miserably, their pilots must have died to 10 t1 cruisers or something, TWD would never have claimed he was never gonna FC another op because of this, he is simply to uber for that.
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.28 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Carin K
Your memory is good! I remember this one time in an eve tourney where you said that your setup was truly "unbeatable". That was quite something, it was a solid setup and got you through the group stages. For whatever reason - it failed miserably, their pilots must have died to 10 t1 cruisers or something, TWD would never have claimed he was never gonna FC another op because of this, he is simply to uber for that.
I sort of have this effect sometimes after playing for a while and after winning 3 of the tournaments before that. I couldn't really help it that people thought my team was uber and unbeatable. I apologize to the people for being that good and they are not. Life is sometimes just not fair. |
Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 15:53:41
Originally by: blue strigoy I thought we need more attention to this thread. I bring more clicks, words and letters. That is a good thing, isn't it? Now it is your turn again to answer.
Dear blue,
I do not intent to be mean towards BRUCE. It is just about telling the truth and stating the obvious.
Kind regards
Mary Anne
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Shadoo on 28/05/2008 16:29:26
Originally by: TWD Yeah, I remember that! I'm sorry that people gave up fighting your cruiser gangs on their own when travelling around or shooting at NPC's in belts. That wasn't very honourable. PL's uberness is known around the universe. I remember this one time in Delve when PL used capital ships. That was quite something, it was a bunch of carriers that were to rep a POS. For whatever reason - they blew up, their pilots must have crashed or something, PL would have never lost those carriers in another situation, they are simply too uber for that.
Actually we used capitals in Delve quite a few times, everytime with varying degrees of suckiness. That one time was definately funny, killed some BSes, then got dropped by mommies and dreads while people (including me ) were unable to comprehent "stay at the edge of shields and move in when anything comes close".
Personally thou, I prefer to laugh at the 4-5 times when our POS Geddon fleet got jumped & completely wiped out @ gate. No AB/MWD RR POS Geddons vs fleet is quite funny. I'm also suprised you didn't mention the PL sniper BS gangs, who unprepared for any lag usually died without anyone scrambling them even.
Funny times in Delve .
See -- the difference is that we can take the **** out of ourselves, while you serious people go on about your serious business. Thou some people like HotSeat consistenly fail at everything, including managing to get on RA's brown list on a joint op where he yelled racial slurs at Nync.
What really *****s me up thou, is given our numbers and our proven track record of absolutely sucking in anything bigger than command ships -- we still somehow managed to take on probably the second biggest BS yielding entity out there. Now THAT -- is funny (if you know how their leadership thought they were ready to take on anyone in Fountain alone) .
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: blue strigoy on 28/05/2008 16:25:00 Edited by: blue strigoy on 28/05/2008 16:23:15
Originally by: Mary Anne Edited by: Mary Anne on 28/05/2008 15:53:41
Originally by: blue strigoy I thought we need more attention to this thread. I bring more clicks, words and letters. That is a good thing, isn't it? Now it is your turn again to answer.
Dear blue,
I do not intent to be mean towards BRUCE. It is just about telling the truth and stating the obvious.
Kind regards
Mary Anne
I am not in Bruce. I just want the Goon spies honored more. It was not all because Bruce made so much fail. We Goon spies were so good. Your turn again now. Lets keep this beautiful thread alive. And who cares whether Bruce is on the ground or not? We need more attention here. That is all what counts! All hail to GIA alts.
ps: kind regards to you, too, thanks, you are too kind.
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shadoo
See -- the difference is that we can take the **** out of ourselves, while you serious people go on about your serious business. Thou some people like HotSeat consistenly fail at everything, including managing to get on RA's brown list on a joint op where he yelled racial slurs at Nync.
What really *****s me up thou, is given our numbers and our proven track record of absolutely sucking in anything bigger than a command ships -- we still somehow managed to take on probably the second biggest BS yielding entity out there. Now THAT -- is funny .
That was a win, not a fail..... Fail was my attemp to mine a high end moon in a Bob home system. That got boring after the first week
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:36:00 -
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i have had multiple characters in bruce and been around them (not in good terms) since there down and tbh i am glad this day have come and there dieing a slow and horrible death that the trusted leader got of his pedastal and ran back into empire prob to clear it up of those nasty piwates in aeschee.
The whole collapse and sorry state its come to can be pinned on a hand full of people in the Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc corp, using there out of date tactics and having bas FC's such as Zaphod Bee while the good and best players have to follow them into bad fights.
This was not a democracy this was a authoritarianism by Fried and the Foom corp.
So long BRUCE dont come back anytime soon
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: HotSeat
That was a win, not a fail..... Fail was my attemp to mine a high end moon in a Bob home system. That got boring after the first week
Yeah, because the large tower you placed in PR- lasted about 2 days there .
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Posted - 2008.05.28 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: The Blinded I hope you realize that BRUCE was using exactly same kinds of metagaming, only with way less success - with reps crying out loud about being outplayed by PL in yet another field.
BRUCE probably did have spies out and about, it'd be stupid to say otherwise. Even as pure as they claimed to be there's little reason to doubt they did their share of metagaming when they wanted to. I don't think you can define having a spy reading enemy forums and having an Indonesian friend hacking forums to read not just ordinary content but personal information, private messages and so forth as "the same kinds of metagaming". One is a part of the game, the other has legal consequences in most situations.
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what he said ^
it's nice how they always evade the posts about hacking and call in the vent spies. lame pl really lame. you hacked a forum, you did illegal things for a game lol. you fail! you fail so hard that i cant stop laughing over how you try to beat your chest here for a job well done. hahahaha!
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North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: blue strigoy
I thought we need more attention to this thread. I bring more clicks, words and letters. That is a good thing, isn't it? Now it is your turn again to answer.
Im mr blue Im here to stay with you And no matter what you do When youre lonely - Ill be lonely too
I'm getting all emo with all these tears
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Thelying dutchman
I'm getting all emo with all these tears
Really? How emo?
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Torso Errata
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 19:19:00 -
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Just to clarify some misunderstandings.
1) I'm Smurf Fellator's main, those was my first two posts on CAOD, and I understand the objection to alt posting. Since I hope to remain active in EVE regardless of what happens with Bruce (though I'll give my all to see them survive and reform), I'll get with the program.
2) As I understand it, the Bruce "code" objection to metagaming has little to do with spying. Ordinary spies are within the structure of the game, and cannot hence be "meta". Bruce seems to have tried them, but with lesser success than our adversaries. I expect that will continue, if only to develop effective counterintelligence skills. It takes a spy to know one.
3) Bruce was nowhere near a dictatorship. We had overly centralized alliance roles, and were hence too vulnerable to burn-out. But I think our forum spies know all too well that there were always active internal debates, with the "right" solutions fiercely advocated. There was and remains the knowledge in Bruce to adapt to sovereign 0.0 warfare, and away from a model that was successful in NPC space. However, it is also a part of the Bruce "code" that each corporation has a say and significant autonomy. If there was in fact a dictatorship, a single authority could have quickly ended the debates and promulgate direction. We'll always have democratic foundations, but I think we've learned some lessons here.
4) I happen to believe the combined dogpile of PL, BOB, Goon blackops, CI, Burn Eden, Tri and other could very likely have evicted Bruce from Fountain regardless of metagaming in the form of hacking etc. They are more focused pure-PvP organizations, using alt-corps for much their logistics, while Bruce had more of a mix of the hard-core and casual gamer, as well as numerous industrial alts within the org. That's not a bad thing in itself - conflicts between industral and PvP corps have been the death of many of an alliance. Pandemic Legion, especially, are extremely effective and watching their tactics and teamwork while racing in cloaked for warp-ins was extremely educational. Congrats - I hope to have you guys around to joust with should I ever be in a position to deploy more effective countertactics.
5) I'll let you in on a little secret of why I've loved being in Bruce for the past two months. Bruce members are all attracted to a "white-hat" code that offers perhaps less adrenaline but more satifaction to us than its opposite. I think its fair to say that Bruce players are, on average, a bit older, and with more family commitments than the average 0.0 alliance member. And we enjoy that sort of community. There were never any screaming tirades, and most every member strove to treat their fellow Bruce with respect. That extended all the way to a virtual ban on profanity on voice comms, to spare those members with children playing in the room. In my personal life, I drink like a fish and cuss like a sailor. But I accept our verbal straightjackets quite happily, because someday I too will have children. And I chose to treat my fellow Bruce with respect, no matter how inane their questions or commands proved. I think we all do.
6) Last secret: The Brutally Efficient Empire isn't particularly brutal nor empirical, and we're working hard on the efficient part. The name stems from a 40 year old Monty Python skit - we are an alliance named in absurdity. It would be absurd if we make a new home, befriend some neighbors, and come back more efficient than before. I'll keep laughing til then.
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KardonHarman
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 20:41:00 -
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As I am already in the crap with Snigg, I doubt if posting here will hurt that much, and to be honest its a game and I dont care !!!!
DID PL have forum and vent spies?
Yes we did .. * shock , horror* Did they make difference ?
Heres a bit of enlightenment for BRUCE,- no they didn't, Using covert ops watching your fleets and alignments made a difference, making sure we chose the time and place of engagements made a difference, You using predicatable set ups made a difference.
Heres another tip for you.. no-one *HACKED* into your vent or forums, they didnt need to, they were open all you neded to be is part of BRUCE to get access, did the PL get to read everything on your forums? YES we did, but when it came down to the fights we didnt have time to refer to your Vent or forums, the PL FC's just called it as the scouts sent in the real time info.
AFAIK BRUCE lost every single engagement with us, with the best spy in the world we couldnt have 23/7 coverage, BRUCE lost not because of spies but because they couldnt't/wouldn't adapt. They were predictable and with that they easy to defeat
Blaming the defeat on metagaming etc is easy, it takes away the blame, and the individual pilots can walk away head held high thinking they didnt lose because of bad tactics or personal skills but because someone else cheated !!
Sorry guys you lost for one simple reason: You didnt adapt to the situation, many of your FC's were screaming out this one single point but the corps reps refused to listen. If you had listened to Kithica and even Midgarth you would had inflicted far more damage and even perhaps delayed the end result.
As it is the thing that killed BRUCE with the inflexibility of the reps and the refuasl to listen and take on board the FC's reccomendations. Spies didnt kill BRUCE, Hacking didnt kill BRUCE, even PL didnt kill BRUCE - BRUCE reps killed BRUCE.
I will give the individual BRUCE pilots kudos, faced with PL on one side and their reps stifling any military enterprise on the other they still tried time and time again to bring the fight. For that alone the BRUCE pilots at the bottom of the food chain deserve credit, and their leaders are not worthy to be above such people
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: KardonHarman
DID PL have forum and vent spies?
Yes we did .. * shock , horror* Did they make difference ?
Heres a bit of enlightenment for BRUCE,- no they didn't + lots of blabla, how uber you are.
If spies make no difference and you are so Uber anyway, why you use then spies? really only low-life voyeurism? Also are you really sure, I mean, absolutely sure, we spies from PLgoon did not read a little more than only some postings in the public forums for common Bruce members, like PMs, which were not sent to us originally? Now you pretend, you have not heard or seen anything.
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Mary Anne
Belgica Optimus Serpensis
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Torso Errata aka Smurf Fellatio
<snip shibboleth> I'll keep laughing til then.
Dear Torso (says the head),
you suggest that BRUCE was efficient in the first place - I advocate against that brutally clever claim. Being efficient in this regard suggests intelligence or at least acting if BRUCE's moves are intelligent.
Which raises an interesting question: 1. How clever were your leaders? Listening to your vent... well I advocate against that. 2. Now suggesting your leaders are/were not intelligent... How intelligent can the members be, who followed?
That said, the statement "becoming more efficient" is a fail concept in itself from the start on. Truth is brutal: the whole concept is a huge failboat and BRUCE members fail in realizing it.
See a pattern?
Come here, I dry your tears.
With all due respect
Yours
Mary Anne.
-- You are reading a signature.
BRUCE rl photo shoot of the tight knit likeminded hardcore players
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: blue strigoy
Originally by: KardonHarman
DID PL have forum and vent spies?
Yes we did .. * shock , horror* Did they make difference ?
Heres a bit of enlightenment for BRUCE,- no they didn't + lots of blabla, how uber you are.
If spies make no difference and you are so Uber anyway, why you use then spies? really only low-life voyeurism? Also are you really sure, I mean, absolutely sure, we spies from PLgoon did not read a little more than only some postings in the public forums for common Bruce members, like PMs, which were not sent to us originally? Now you pretend, you have not heard or seen anything.
Of course the spies made a difference, it was nice to know where your enemy is going to be attacking, and all that other crap... The biggest reason is that most of our guys just liked hearing the whining and terrible speeches that were going on. And the forum pron, that was pretty sweet too.
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Gneeznow on 28/05/2008 22:46:34 The forum pron was awesome, the whining was epic it was like drinking from a fountain of lucozade tears which gave us the energy to grief harder
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NeVeH
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: blue strigoy really only low-life voyeurism?
Yes
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: NeVeH
Originally by: blue strigoy really only low-life voyeurism?
Yes
the problem is just, nobody will believe this. Some stupid members in PL pretend espionage was a great help for the win.
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NeVeH
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: blue strigoy
Originally by: NeVeH
Originally by: blue strigoy really only low-life voyeurism?
Yes
the problem is just, nobody will believe this. Some stupid members in PL pretend espionage was a great help for the win.
The point is, which is worse?
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Darpz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Darpz on 28/05/2008 23:22:05 if you could see the 1000+ post thread on our internal forums full of us circle jerking over bruce tears you would see that while the intel was nice the tears are 100x better.
EDIT:
also PL are horrible posters...Shadoo especially
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Gragnor
Ordos Humanitas Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:32:00 -
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To the victor go the spoils. Bruce has been humbled by the manner in which is lost its way in Fountain. We waved our e-peens about the place and have had them cut off and shoved down our throats. I can say that e-peens have a very unpleasant taste but this too will pass.
Metagaming Your claims against BoB are totally undermined by your actions against Bruce. Just as BoB gained an unfair benefit through inappropriate behaviour and misconduct; so too have you gained an unfair advantage through the illegal conduct of others.
Of even greater significance is the admission that he was a member of your alliance. You have admitted that your alliance aided and abetted the criminal conduct of others in openly hacking a website. Best of all you brag about it! And then you demand we help you kill BoB because they are haxing cheaters?
Umm, pot û meet kettle.
And no, I am not talking about vent spies or other kinds of spies. You know exactly what I am talking about.
Any claims to the moral high ground are dead. There is NO difference between BoB and Goonies and its allies. That is the cost of your victory. You have lost the moral high ground and thatÆs a very high price to pay. It means, we can choose who we support on our own terms. No longer is it us and BoB û it's now; who will screw us over the least and I think the rest of Eve knows it too.
Its called Pyhrric victory; where the cost of winning is far more than the gain.
Smack On another issue. I have fought BoB and died to them and fought Goonies and Pandemic Legion and died to them. You know what? Not ONE word of smack in local when we fought BoB. Win or lose at the end of it; only thanks and gfÆs and good humour.
Fighting Goonies and Pandemic legion, another kettle of fish. SMACK all over the place.
Interesting that; one has enough respect for an opponent to thank them for a fight after pwning them, the other just smacks them childishly. Guess which one I respect? Guess which one I want to encourage people in my gang to be like? Guess which one behaves in a way we believe appropriate?
Sorry, Goonies and PL, you guessed wrong. IÆd rather behave like BoB does in local.
The Great War There is a propaganda war going on in Eve right now and with your immature in-game behaviour and your use of puerile metagaming, you are losing. Badly. Credibility is like virginity and itÆs fair to say that both BoB and Goonies/Pandemic Legion are looking like fairly jaded *****s. The trouble is, BoB has tarted itself up and after a few beers doesnÆt look that bad. Goonies et all look like and smell like skanks. You might want to think about that as beer goggles can hide many things but no one wants to get into bed with a skank.
PvP Ability Speaking of PvP ability. Thank you mazziliu for your numerous offers of training me in your way of fighting. I appreciate it. Please tell me where I can sip from the fountain of youth and regress to my childhood years so I can be just like your corpmates and smack like a prepubescent teenager? Please explain to me why the ômeanestö PvPers rely so heavily on vent spies to win fights? Think about thatàà.all of a sudden your claims to greatness look like an emperor wearing a bikini. What an ugly sight!
Can I learn from you? Yes, only a fool says they canÆt learn from someone more experienced than they are. But not if the price is losing your self respect. Pride cometh before a fall, perhaps. But I can live with that too.
Bruce Forever IÆm not much interested in hacking forums. Maybe I am alone in that. Maybe I am being naive. However, I joined an alliance that holds the same views as I do; we donÆt have to be infantile treacherous smacktards to have fun and success in a game.
Enjoy your victory. You rubbed our noses in our own vomit and to a certain extent; we deserved to have it happen. However, the way in which you did it undermines the achievement greatly.
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Flinx Evenstar
Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Torso Errata
1) I'm Smurf Fellator's main,
That was kind of obvious when you accidentally posted, then deleted it before posting on Smurf
Good posts btw
Am just posting to annoy Gneez ___
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blue strigoy
elite armchair generals
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Posted - 2008.05.28 23:38:00 -
[267]
Originally by: NeVeH
Originally by: blue strigoy
Originally by: Darpz if you could see the 1000+ post thread on our internal forums full of us circle jerking over bruce tears you would see that while the intel was nice the tears are 100x better.
So you say in opposite to what Neveh said first, you liked both. The intel and the voyeurism.
SOMEONE IS LYING!!!
Nobody cares how much you are lying or not. I just wanted to quote you and keep this thread with you alive. This is important to honor the role of us, the spies, and of course we have to repeat here again, Kugutsumen is no more a member of PL. *looking around innocently*
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NDrew
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:02:00 -
[268]
NESW are brining down this alliance. I heard KOS was starting back up.
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Brigsby5987
Asylum Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:05:00 -
[269]
Quote: To the victor go the spoils. Bruce has been humbled by the manner in which is lost its way in Fountain. We waved our e-peens about the place and have had them cut off and shoved down our throats. I can say that e-peens have a very unpleasant taste but this too will pass.
Metagaming Your claims against BoB are totally undermined by your actions against Bruce. Just as BoB gained an unfair benefit through inappropriate behaviour and misconduct; so too have you gained an unfair advantage through the illegal conduct of others.
Of even greater significance is the admission that he was a member of your alliance. You have admitted that your alliance aided and abetted the criminal conduct of others in openly hacking a website. Best of all you brag about it! And then you demand we help you kill BoB because they are haxing cheaters?
Umm, pot û meet kettle.
And no, I am not talking about vent spies or other kinds of spies. You know exactly what I am talking about.
Any claims to the moral high ground are dead. There is NO difference between BoB and Goonies and its allies. That is the cost of your victory. You have lost the moral high ground and thatÆs a very high price to pay. It means, we can choose who we support on our own terms. No longer is it us and BoB û it's now; who will screw us over the least and I think the rest of Eve knows it too.
Its called Pyhrric victory; where the cost of winning is far more than the gain.
Smack On another issue. I have fought BoB and died to them and fought Goonies and Pandemic Legion and died to them. You know what? Not ONE word of smack in local when we fought BoB. Win or lose at the end of it; only thanks and gfÆs and good humour.
Fighting Goonies and Pandemic legion, another kettle of fish. SMACK all over the place.
Interesting that; one has enough respect for an opponent to thank them for a fight after pwning them, the other just smacks them childishly. Guess which one I respect? Guess which one I want to encourage people in my gang to be like? Guess which one behaves in a way we believe appropriate?
Sorry, Goonies and PL, you guessed wrong. IÆd rather behave like BoB does in local.
The Great War There is a propaganda war going on in Eve right now and with your immature in-game behaviour and your use of puerile metagaming, you are losing. Badly. Credibility is like virginity and itÆs fair to say that both BoB and Goonies/Pandemic Legion are looking like fairly jaded *****s. The trouble is, BoB has tarted itself up and after a few beers doesnÆt look that bad. Goonies et all look like and smell like skanks. You might want to think about that as beer goggles can hide many things but no one wants to get into bed with a skank.
PvP Ability Speaking of PvP ability. Thank you mazziliu for your numerous offers of training me in your way of fighting. I appreciate it. Please tell me where I can sip from the fountain of youth and regress to my childhood years so I can be just like your corpmates and smack like a prepubescent teenager? Please explain to me why the ômeanestö PvPers rely so heavily on vent spies to win fights? Think about thatàà.all of a sudden your claims to greatness look like an emperor wearing a bikini. What an ugly sight!
Can I learn from you? Yes, only a fool says they canÆt learn from someone more experienced than they are. But not if the price is losing your self respect. Pride cometh before a fall, perhaps. But I can live with that too.
Bruce Forever IÆm not much interested in hacking forums. Maybe I am alone in that. Maybe I am being naive. However, I joined an alliance that holds the same views as I do; we donÆt have to be infantile treacherous smacktards to have fun and success in a game.
Enjoy your victory. You rubbed our noses in our own vomit and to a certain extent; we deserved to have it happen. However, the way in which you did it undermines the achievement greatly.
You made some good points there. Gl in the future. |
Antodias
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: NDrew NESW are brining down this alliance. I heard KOS was starting back up.
I salute your highly original and most excellent posting sir o7
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Mr Rive
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.29 00:41:00 -
[271]
OMG my honour backbone, im crippled from the e-peen down and i cant feel my face
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.29 01:05:00 -
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It seems the honour tank in the previous lock message failed, let's hope this one doesn't.
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