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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.06.05 08:53:00 - [91] Originally by: Jason Edwards Quote: Heavy dictors are fine, can't lock a nano blockade runner unless remote sensor boosted in a good gatecamp which should be hard to get away from anyway nano blockade runner is kind of counter productive Counter-productive to WHAT ? Hauling large quantities of stuff completely safe anywhere in lowsec ? That's not how it's supposed to be. What's next ? Asking for complete warp scrambling immunity for freighters ? Even from focused HICtor ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.05 08:55:00 - [92] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jason Edwards Quote: Heavy dictors are fine, can't lock a nano blockade runner unless remote sensor boosted in a good gatecamp which should be hard to get away from anyway nano blockade runner is kind of counter productive Counter-productive to WHAT ? Hauling large quantities of stuff completely safe anywhere in lowsec ? That's not how it's supposed to be. What's next ? Asking for complete warp scrambling immunity for freighters ? Even from focused HICtor ? BRILLIANT!!!!! oh wait your freighter is invincible with a little logoff magic
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.06.05 08:58:00 - [93] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton oh wait your freighter is invincible with a little logoff magic Depends on the DPS of the camp Not saying it would be easy, but... it's in the realm of theoretically possible 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.05 09:04:00 - [94] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton oh wait your freighter is invincible with a little logoff magic Depends on the DPS of the camp Not saying it would be easy, but... it's in the realm of theoretically possible when they are aligning to do emergency warp they can't be targeted and by the time they drop out of warp your proby ship better have several titans warping to it to ddd to kill it in time
314159265	Posted - 2008.06.05 09:30:00 - [95] To come back to the hic... Haven't used one yet, didn't even encounter one in combat (lowsec). How do hics stand against the sentryguns? Can they tank em if you fit it right?
William DeMeo Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.06.05 09:35:00 - [96] hey guise, i herd scouting ur hauler b4 you haul everything you own through rancer was a good idea. c/d? Yarr
Grimpak Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.05 09:56:00 - [97] Originally by: William DeMeo hey guise, i herd scouting ur hauler b4 you haul everything you own through rancer was a good idea. c/d? C --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.05 10:51:00 - [98] Originally by: 314159265 To come back to the hic... Haven't used one yet, didn't even encounter one in combat (lowsec). How do hics stand against the sentryguns? Can they tank em if you fit it right? they tank the sentries just fine. to a gank bs + sentries they will go down, rather fast as their hitpoints are rather low. most of their danger comes in the form of gangmates as they have rather low damage output and can't do much than gank frigs/crusiers/haulers
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.06.05 13:52:00 - [99] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton oh wait your freighter is invincible with a little logoff magic Depends on the DPS of the camp Not saying it would be easy, but... it's in the realm of theoretically possible when they are aligning to do emergency warp they can't be targeted and by the time they drop out of warp your proby ship better have several titans warping to it to ddd to kill it in time I've never had to probe out a freighter - but I've probed down other ships that logged off. Why would you need all that DPS on a loggoffski Freighter when you probe it down? I thought once its probed and you have it tackled - its can't disappear - or have I just nuked my targets too fast to notice this? P.S. I don't want this to come across as stroking my ego - I'm genuinely curious about tackling a probed out ship/pod. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge XIII Legio	Posted - 2008.06.05 13:55:00 - [100] Edited by: Omarvelous on 05/06/2008 13:56:21 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: 314159265 To come back to the hic... Haven't used one yet, didn't even encounter one in combat (lowsec). How do hics stand against the sentryguns? Can they tank em if you fit it right? they tank the sentries just fine. to a gank bs + sentries they will go down, rather fast as their hitpoints are rather low. most of their danger comes in the form of gangmates as they have rather low damage output and can't do much than gank frigs/crusiers/haulers I remember when they first came out people would freak out - 'Man I couldn't take it down with 4 gank BS!!! They've got a tougher tank than a command shiP!' Then I realized the joys of finding tech 2 ship resistance holes with m'Raven! But yeah to backup Chainsaw - HIC's are designed to tank and tackle (if they're meant to tackle super capital ships, then a set of low sec sentry guns is a walk in the park for them). Their gang will improve their sensor resolution and...dps.... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Bahhs Deep	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:33:00 - [101] ... Blockade Runners are NOT easy to catch. You're lucky if you catch one if it isn't setup right. Even with a HVY Dictor being remote sensor boosted upwards of 2000 scan res, it's still VERY hard to catch one. Hell, the dang mwd/cloak/warp trick saves a lot of people as well. 'Dictors are fine as they are. So for the sake of nerf free patches, STOP WHINING! ADAPT AND OVERCOME! List of People I WILL NOT offer ransoms to. Inoue Zael,Hawk Pryde,Edward England,Kid Brat,Lord Scourge,Slayerseb, Blind John
Euriti Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:23:00 - [102] Originally by: Zivoril I'm a noob to Lowsec space. Yet I have realized or figured out 1 VS 1 never and will never EVER EXSIST. It is always pus.ies bunches that will bring you down. So when I read a post like this or any concering Low Sec, I simply PUKE MY PANTS OFF. You couldn't be more wrong
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.06 17:18:00 - [103] On the "nano BR", it's a natural way to fit the blockade runner. HICs don't force it. A slow align to warp can kill you even if your lows are filled with stabs. Either they get enough points on you to render the stabs useless, bump you out of alignment, or bring enough alpha to instapop you. All that isn't a problem, if you manage to warp out first.
Cruthensis Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.06.06 20:11:00 - [104] I like the OP's tautology. Their not just "overpowered". Nor are they simply "too powerful". They had to be "too overpowered". Not just the regular kind. 1. Buy Vexor 2. Fit for Gank 3. Suicide ISK farmer 4. Grind sec 5. see 1.
Atsuko Ratu VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:06:00 - [105] Remove cloak and align trick, it makes BRs too overpowered.
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:19:00 - [106] Originally by: Zivoril PUKE MY PANTS OFF.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.06 21:46:00 - [107] Originally by: Atsuko Ratu Remove cloak and align trick, it makes BRs too overpowered. They barely need it unless they're in a bubble tbh. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Diomidis Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.06 22:59:00 - [108] Edited by: Diomidis on 06/06/2008 23:03:11 Wow... Are u ppl actually flying BRs? No, let me reverse the question: have you ever tried to intercept a nano fitted BR? Cause last time I've tried, scrambling a Prowler* fitted with low friction rigs and inertia/nanos even with sensor boosted (or remotely boosted) ceptors was nearly impossible. The damn things warp off in less than 3 seconds (I think EFT calculates 2.5 sec or something). Roughly 1 second is wasted as the "victim" decloaks while aligning after pressing "jump-to", and the physical limitation due to the game interfacing forces the wannabe tackler to lose .5-1 sec above that. What's left? 1 second or even less to actually lock the target and apply at least 3 points on it... Only Bubbles can stop BRs, and these where not introduced with HICs, but before them. Surely the infinite scramming power of a scripted field generator makes WCSs useless, but that kicks in after a HIC acuires a lock, doesn't it? And game mechanics, interface + lag (each an EVE's feature) really makes it very hard even if the opponent is directly or indirectly sensor boosted. Yeah, it's possible, yet not likely to happen. Admitting the opposite would simply mean that the OP and every other "boost BRs" suggestion implies that BRs should be immune to scramming. After all, making BRs more "challenging" to fly and actually requiring not-flying-it-AFK like SO MANY do in both high and low sec, proper fits etc is GOOD for business when it comes to "pro" blockade running pilots: the amateurs die horribly, so passing through those darn camps will bring more profits for the experienced player, who could dominate nearly-perma-camped territories' market. Even if a HIC can be remotely SBed to strengths that could catch nanoed BRs, means nothing "new": a team of players is working together, making sacrifices for a specialized gang-fit to catch stubborn "solo-blockade-runners" that believe scouting is for losers. It's easy to see why that should always be rewarding for the team, and not the lone-ranger. And stop thinking "out-side" PvP...everything in EVE is PvP oriented, at least trade and module circulation surely is. EDIT: * I've mentioned a Prowler cause that's what my buddy flies and I had the opportunity to practice extensively on/against. I know that it's probably the fastest or equally fast to the Prorator when both nanoed, but others are pretty close. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Termopan	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:18:00 - [109] people that ask ccp for nerfs are lame ...very very lame
Susanin Nekogame COASTAL BROTHERHOOD	Posted - 2008.06.13 19:42:00 - [110] Originally by: Jason Edwards I for one only lost a lame iteron 3 which I used for mission running. I dont care much for the loss... but it may just mean I refuse to go to low sec entirely. Which is in contradiction with the intentions of CCP of getting people out of high sec. You don't do blockade running in Iteron 3. The end. "Relax...it's just an update for the patch to fix the nerf that nerfed the fix for the update of the patch that broke the fix that was fixed on the previous nerf they called an update..." -- Surakl
ikoban Scarlet Scourge Society	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:29:00 - [111] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Jason Edwards nano blockade runner is kind of counter productive No, it isn't. It's how it's done. Duh Next you'll tell me the correct way to fly Interceptors is to fit a MAPC+400mm RT plate on every one of them, because nanoing interceptors is counter-productive Originally by: Jason Edwards Quote: Atleast you have a good chance to kill a hictor with a small gang. This is where the problem comes. You now have to bring a gang to actually do solo activities. BECAUSE something is overpowered. The guy you quoted was wrong; a solo HIC under sentries just dies to a solo, say, BC. Without sentries to help you, well, you'll still kill the active tanked one easy (tried it in a not so gank Hurricane vs a Phobos, it's trivial. Just pound on it, and even with the best of tanks it's going to run out of cap charges and die, while you can whitstand the pitiful damage they do practically forever) , although the passive tanked ones might take a bit more firepower to break. is that why i can perma run a dual MAR II setup, run my lasers, perma point you, web you and tank you all day long?
ikoban Scarlet Scourge Society	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:35:00 - [112] Originally by: Bahhs Deep ... Blockade Runners are NOT easy to catch. You're lucky if you catch one if it isn't setup right. Even with a HVY Dictor being remote sensor boosted upwards of 2000 scan res, it's still VERY hard to catch one. Hell, the dang mwd/cloak/warp trick saves a lot of people as well. 'Dictors are fine as they are. So for the sake of nerf free patches, STOP WHINING! ADAPT AND OVERCOME! A smart hic pilot will catch a blockade runner in 0.0 in most cases.. if they try to use the cloak and mwd trick.. one has to guestimate the clock cycle and drop the bubble and head towards where it was. off hand helps to have a ceptor for this very reason. if you tim it right they decloak just after you drop your bubble.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:47:00 - [113] Originally by: ikoban Edited by: ikoban on 14/06/2008 17:36:18 Originally by: Bahhs Deep ... Blockade Runners are NOT easy to catch. You're lucky if you catch one if it isn't setup right. Even with a HVY Dictor being remote sensor boosted upwards of 2000 scan res, it's still VERY hard to catch one. Hell, the dang mwd/cloak/warp trick saves a lot of people as well. 'Dictors are fine as they are. So for the sake of nerf free patches, STOP WHINING! ADAPT AND OVERCOME! A smart hic pilot will catch a blockade runner in 0.0 in most cases.. if they try to use the cloak and mwd trick.. one has to guestimate the clock cycle and drop the bubble and head towards where it was. off hand helps to have a ceptor for this very reason. if you time it right they decloak just after you drop your bubble. Yes. This will work. For suuuuuuuuure. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:34:00 - [114] i managed to solo a devouter....in a friggin sentinel all you have to do is get a single neut on them when they attack you and with the gateguns on em + mwb warp scram thingy and tank running they will die horribly and painfully Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
ikoban Scarlet Scourge Society	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:40:00 - [115] Originally by: Arvald i managed to solo a devouter....in a friggin sentinel all you have to do is get a single neut on them when they attack you and with the gateguns on em + mwb warp scram thingy and tank running they will die horribly and painfully ahhhhh all one has to do is slow boat back to the gate and jump through. IF you get within their webbing range you wont last LOL.
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.14 19:49:00 - [116] Originally by: ikoban Originally by: Arvald i managed to solo a devouter....in a friggin sentinel all you have to do is get a single neut on them when they attack you and with the gateguns on em + mwb warp scram thingy and tank running they will die horribly and painfully ahhhhh all one has to do is slow boat back to the gate and jump through. IF you get within their webbing range you wont last LOL. even while webed,if you have an mdw you will be faster than any hic....not that hard to stay out of web range when fighting em Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
Atsuko Ratu VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.06.14 20:59:00 - [117] Originally by: ikoban Edited by: ikoban on 14/06/2008 17:36:18 Originally by: Bahhs Deep ... Blockade Runners are NOT easy to catch. You're lucky if you catch one if it isn't setup right. Even with a HVY Dictor being remote sensor boosted upwards of 2000 scan res, it's still VERY hard to catch one. Hell, the dang mwd/cloak/warp trick saves a lot of people as well. 'Dictors are fine as they are. So for the sake of nerf free patches, STOP WHINING! ADAPT AND OVERCOME! A smart hic pilot will catch a blockade runner in 0.0 in most cases.. if they try to use the cloak and mwd trick.. one has to guestimate the clock cycle and drop the bubble and head towards where it was. off hand helps to have a ceptor for this very reason. if you time it right they decloak just after you drop your bubble. Until the BR just mwds away.
ikoban Scarlet Scourge Society	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:32:00 - [118] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: ikoban Originally by: Arvald i managed to solo a devouter....in a friggin sentinel all you have to do is get a single neut on them when they attack you and with the gateguns on em + mwb warp scram thingy and tank running they will die horribly and painfully ahhhhh all one has to do is slow boat back to the gate and jump through. IF you get within their webbing range you wont last LOL. even while webed,if you have an mdw you will be faster than any hic....not that hard to stay out of web range when fighting em I seen abaddons eat sentinals that got into webbing range. MWD + WEB = HUGE SIG RADIUS! also seen the same pilot kill a curse that got into web range.
Arvald Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.14 21:37:00 - [119] Originally by: ikoban Originally by: Arvald Originally by: ikoban Originally by: Arvald i managed to solo a devouter....in a friggin sentinel all you have to do is get a single neut on them when they attack you and with the gateguns on em + mwb warp scram thingy and tank running they will die horribly and painfully ahhhhh all one has to do is slow boat back to the gate and jump through. IF you get within their webbing range you wont last LOL. even while webed,if you have an mdw you will be faster than any hic....not that hard to stay out of web range when fighting em I seen abaddons eat sentinals that got into webbing range. MWD + WEB = HUGE SIG RADIUS! also seen the same pilot kill a curse that got into web range. im talking specifically about hics and webs Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
ikoban Scarlet Scourge Society	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:27:00 - [120] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: ikoban Originally by: Arvald Originally by: ikoban Originally by: Arvald i managed to solo a devouter....in a friggin sentinel all you have to do is get a single neut on them when they attack you and with the gateguns on em + mwb warp scram thingy and tank running they will die horribly and painfully ahhhhh all one has to do is slow boat back to the gate and jump through. IF you get within their webbing range you wont last LOL. even while webed,if you have an mdw you will be faster than any hic....not that hard to stay out of web range when fighting em I seen abaddons eat sentinals that got into webbing range. MWD + WEB = HUGE SIG RADIUS! also seen the same pilot kill a curse that got into web range. im talking specifically about hics and webs Medium lasers tack pretty darn good last i checked Youre going to die if you get within webbing range. I have seen it before and will see it again. your not going to keep a ship off the gate solo very easy wigout dieing. you have to bouce the ship which means SFA tracking... and your webbed... either headed tot he shiop or away from. YOUR paper thin.

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