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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.03.06 09:48:00 -
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Saturn V is an engine strapped to a fuel tank and little else.
Eve ships have guns, shields, armor, manuverability.
It's like asking why a rally car can't go as fast as a dragster. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions
Bloodbound.
394
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Posted - 2012.03.06 11:01:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:The Saturn V at max speed goes 25,000 mph. That is about 11176m/s. Excluding the use of a warp drive, not one of our can go faster than that. Why?
I challenge you to find the Saturn V (or any man made space vehicle for that matter) that can turn around and head in the other direction within a couple seconds (ok minutes in the case of freighters/capitals).
I mean, if you want to split hairs and all. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:19:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:The Saturn V at max speed goes 25,000 mph. That is about 11176m/s. Excluding the use of a warp drive, not one of our can go faster than that. Why?
because a bunch of morons wanted CCP to nerf nanoships |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:34:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:The Saturn V at max speed goes 25,000 mph. That is about 11176m/s. Excluding the use of a warp drive, not one of our can go faster than that. Why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tF1Up_xXSI
Ok not combat effective but you get the point. |
Grikath
T.E.L.O.G.S.
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:42:00 -
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What PtracI said...
The Saturn V does not do Curves In Space. It is a ballistic object. Fast, but you can't steer it past nudging it against the curve of the local gravity well. ( which means you have to brake...owait.. it only goes faster...)
EVE starship drives use a speculative drive that lets you achieve FTL when warping and something that looks/feels a lot like a gravity(well) drive for sublight speeds.
Besides solid founding in SF lore, both types (or even a dual application of the same drive) are theoretically (read: quantum mechanics/relativity theory math headache) possible, with caveats.
Both in SF as in theory, the drive(s) involved are limited, since they must act against the Real World, and thus perform work. This means a limit to the maximum speed that can be reached, defined by the amount of energy you put into it versus [a lot of problems].
Even the smallest spaceships in EVE has a powerplant that can happily provide for a small town, and a computer system that could go head-to-head with your average modern-day supercluster, but they are still limited in energy and computational power.
This amount of energy/computational power is still puny compared to the values the RL theoretical drives would need.
Between Boffin theory, the constraints of expectations this translated into in SF lore, and the vagaries of game design, CCP actually managed to get a decent "feel" in how a proper spacedrive would perform in this game:
Limited straight line speed, limited orbit speed/radius, and limited FTL speed, all based on the mass/power/inertia ratio of the ships involved.
Quite nifty, really.  |
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CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
573
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Posted - 2012.03.06 12:52:00 -
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If we let ships go much faster, the invisible space whales wouldn't be able to get out of the way in time.
(Obviously the real reason is "because it makes for a better game": the actual lengths of ships give us a reference distance, and we want combat to happen "within visual range" so that fights live up to people's visual expectations, and there's only so fast you can have ships going at a given scale before the ability for the average person to usefully control them drops off drastically. That's how I'd reason it, at least.) |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1357
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:08:00 -
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Did this Saturn V actually reached such velocity in space ?
Not sure, but there is probably some limitation of material, Space is not just vacuum filled with nothing, there is a lot of dust.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.03.06 13:24:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Plus there comes a point where a ship can be "too fast". Eventually the ship would be moving so fast that they just overshoot their target and waste time and put themselves at risk when they need to lower their speed drastically to turn around.
 They've gone plaid! |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:05:00 -
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The saturn V has to reach escape velocity from the planet's gravitational field. Spaceships in Eve are already in space to start with. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
EVE Corporation 123566322353
127
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:11:00 -
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I been able to make a cynabal go about 13-14km/s or 14000m/s :P so ships in eve can go faster than that wolololol
but you could say it's because of the warp drive module, (in RP it says it also slows down the ship when engines aren't running) which would explain it all if you want another reason, IE; the warp drive ability that makes your ship able to warp from place to place is actually slowing down your ship when your not using it |
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Neechi HollanderDanny
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:17:00 -
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Would be easier to change current speed designations from 1.000 m/s to 1.000 km/s, while nothing functionally happens. |
Chatha Gathii
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:22:00 -
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The Saturn V lacks agility and is a ***** to fit. (All the launcher points are on the first stage, and don't get me started on the lack of CPU.)
Trust me, you wouldn't want to fly one.
Complete fail, Werner von Braun.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
834
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:54:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:On the other side of the EVE gate space is made of some weird liquid. Hard to get a good head of steam going when you have that to deal with.
Now that explains why Wallente is slow as hell !
I'm finally enjoying my rusty submarines 
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
804
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Posted - 2012.03.06 14:54:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:The Saturn V at max speed goes 25,000 mph. That is about 11176m/s. Excluding the use of a warp drive, not one of our can go faster than that. Why?
ive seen cap stable fleet stabbers go faster
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Hippie en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 15:43:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Because this is a space game.
This is NOT a space game.
It is a submarine game. But that saturn rocket in the water and see how fast it goes. |
Terazul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.06 16:20:00 -
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Pretty much what the CCP guy said.
Alternatively, consider that the ships in EVE don't actually burn any fuel to move around; this means they're not using conventional thrusters to move around. In my view, they're actually moving the universe around them, hence the ship slowing down when it is not actively attempting to move. |
McRoll
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.06 16:28:00 -
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If Eve ships move through fluid, then why do Caldaris build something like a Moa, which besides being totally unaesthetic, couldn't move through anything denser than vacuum due to its shape?
I want more visually pleasant, aerodynamic shaped ships like Firetails which could fly through atmosphere even judging by look and shape. |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
18
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Posted - 2012.03.06 16:31:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Just realized, on a solar level, sitting in my chair right now I go faster than any ship in EVE (not warping). Since nothing orbits the stars in game.
imagine the dynamic that would bring....
If your POS tower was in a different place each time
Just imagine the impacts for catch bubbles... 
...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
364
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Posted - 2012.03.06 16:34:00 -
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Nobody remembers the 16+km/s phoons anymore...
Or for that matter, the double/triple MWD scorpions. |
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
178
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Posted - 2012.03.06 17:35:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Just realized, on a solar level, sitting in my chair right now I go faster than any ship in EVE (not warping). Since nothing orbits the stars in game. imagine the dynamic that would bring.... If your POS tower was in a different place each time Just imagine the impacts for catch bubbles...
You'd need private beacons instead of bookmarks. Anything orbiting a planet, and thus a moon, would.
Do gates orbit planets or are they stationary?
Imagine the dynamic visuals this would create... |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
596
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:54:00 -
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McRoll wrote:If Eve ships move through fluid, then why do Caldaris build something like a Moa, which besides being totally unaesthetic, couldn't move through anything denser than vacuum due to its shape?
I want more visually pleasant, aerodynamic shaped ships like Firetails which could fly through atmosphere even judging by look and shape.
The fluid that they move through isn't physical. Its an interaction with the warp drive. All the drag on our ships is caused by the existence of our warp drives.
So, the shape of the ship maters not.
And the Firetail still couldn't fly through an oxy atmosphere... it would just combust. |
Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
128
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:01:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:My Neutral Toon wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Just realized, on a solar level, sitting in my chair right now I go faster than any ship in EVE (not warping). Since nothing orbits the stars in game. imagine the dynamic that would bring.... If your POS tower was in a different place each time Just imagine the impacts for catch bubbles... You'd need private beacons instead of bookmarks. Anything orbiting a planet, and thus a moon, would. Do gates orbit planets or are they stationary? Imagine the dynamic visuals this would create...
In my mind, bookmarks ARE basically coordinates for personal beacons. And I figure computers are advanced enough in EVE to account for celestial movements in bookmarks.
As for EVE ships flying through atmosphere... Show info on tritanium sometime, then look at the blueprint for a given ship. Tritanium is pyrophoric. |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:04:00 -
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Eve ships fly in some bizarre liquid, let's call it space gravy. And this space gravy has bits of sausage (asteroids) in it that you can mine for space cash. Don't ask questions. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
164
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:19:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Eve ships fly in some bizarre liquid, let's call it space gravy. And this space gravy has bits of sausage (asteroids) in it that you can mine for space cash. Don't ask questions.
That would explain the nebula in Domain, it is a sunny-side-up egg nebula.
I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
223
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:32:00 -
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Im Super Gay wrote:Saturn V rockets don't have armor, shield generators, a warp drive or weapons to weigh it down.
Pure unadulterated horseflop. The Saturn V, like all manned spacecraft of yesterday and today, was armed to the teeth against the perceived threat of hostile extraterrestrial entities. I believe in this conspiracy with gusto. Gusto! Ever since I made it up five seconds ago.
"For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |
Rei Seiji
Production N Destruction INC.
The Last Chancers.
17
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:40:00 -
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The Saturn V flies through space faster because it's more aerodynamic. Eve Ships, meanwhile, cause way too much drag with all of their bumps and turrets and lights. Which is also the explanation why Minmatar ships are the slowest ships in the galaxy. (Everyone else just goes slower than them because they're too busy laughing at those duct taped rusted metal plates they call ships.)
Also the Saturn V had stripes. Not a lot of stripes, but still, it's scientifically proven that stripes make your ships go faster. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
526
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:59:00 -
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What Ive been using as an explanation for our ship speed and movement:
Our ships are not rocket ships. The engine exhaust vents you see just the discharge products from the on board power generators and no more propels your ship than the exhaust on a car propels the car. What does happen is the power produced by those generators goes to a gravity drive that moves your ship relative to the nearest dominant gravitating mass, be it a station, moon, planet or star. The design of your ship and its gravity drive limits how fast you can move relative to that nearby mass.
Now, if you want stations, moons and planets to move in their orbits, there is a way.
I am running for the CSM. Take a look at my ideas.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
OT Smithers
Cult of Baal
113
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:23:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:This is a vid game
Its not reality
Caught on a rant slide
No excuse for reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a pod boy
I extrude apathy
Because its easy isk don't you know?
Play balance, let it go
Any speed the ship goes doesn't really matter to me
to me
Arua, got killed again
They put a blaster 'gainst my head
Pulled their trigger now I'm dead
Arua, life had just begun
But now I am over twenty jumps away.
Arua, oo oo oo ooo
Didn't mean to pop and fry
I'd better not get podded again tomorrow
Implants gone, carry on, now doesn't even matter
Too late, my armors gone
Getting bumped I can't align
Cap is gone I'm out of time
Goodbye everybody
Its time to clone
Gotta leave this all behind and face the truth
Arua, oo oo oo oooo
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been cloned at all...
(you get the idea)
EPIC! |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
90
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:05:00 -
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Rei Seiji wrote:The Saturn V flies through space faster because it's more aerodynamic.
They're aerodynamic in a vacuum? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1299
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:15:00 -
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The Saturn V is "all engine", EvE ships are not.
The Saturn series, like the others, had to escape gravity too, and hence the need to be "all engine". The same is said for the space shuttle.
From the appearance of things, anti-gravity exists in this game, and hence no need for ships to have multi-stage launch systems needing enough thrust to break gravity.
I am sure if we begged enough we could get an "all engine" ship that can go really fast, and do nothing else. It would be good only for bumping Titans.
(why anyone would need to, who knows?)
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