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Moridrex
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Posted - 2008.05.22 16:00:00 -
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I think the UI is long overdue for mass love. The little tid-bits CCP throws it every once in a while isn't doing it much good, and in one of the recent patches they outright broke it with Drone/Fleet windows pushing overview and selection off the screen.
I'd like to propose the following:
- LUA scripting added, to allow creation of custom windows using game data, and custom key bindings (so I can assign drone squads to launch buttons or keys!)
- LUA scripting should not be capable of doing things such as targetting, issuing ship move or combat orders (to keep the macros from having in-game macro systems)
- Firing groups - to allow one-key turn on of multiple modules simultaneously
This way features like cooldown timers on the buttons can be implemented into the UI by players instead of waiting 10,000,000 years for CCP to get around to it because they're fixing more important bugs. The idea here is to give the scripting enough power to make useful aesthetic or informational changes to the UI, reduce some UI tedium, but NOT give someone an advantage in combat or the ability to macro.
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Elisa Day
Koshaku
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 16:02:00 -
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SUpport 100%, of course. Un-customizable UI is so 90's.
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Paaaulo
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.22 16:03:00 -
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A more customisable ui would be class
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.22 16:56:00 -
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.22 17:06:00 -
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Oh good lord yes. Single greatest patch that could be made would be one that lets players fix the UI.
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Mystic Twilight
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Posted - 2008.05.22 17:10:00 -
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Love the idea, while we're at it, why not throw in some voice activated snowball system, extra blinking lights on the modules, and add a manual gunnery system. (JK, stil, custom is good, I at least hope the windows stay when you put them somewhere)
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.05.22 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 22/05/2008 18:22:16
I support major improvements to the UI as a high priority task.
Things that I'd like to see done:
1. CCP should try to look at each interface element from the point of view of the user, and try to make it more convenient for the user (and by that, I mean, make the Corp interface more useful to officers, directors, and CEO's, make the in-space windows more useful to combat pilots, and so on).
We could use, for example, a working combat log that we can customize much like the Overview, so that we can have color-coded messages scrolling by with who does damage, what type of EWar, and so on and so forth. We could also use an in-game solar-system-map window, that updates itself with scanner results, bookmarks, fleet members in space, and so on.
For the industry people, it would be nice if the hangar displayed the ISK value of everything in it, as well as the recycle value. CEO's and directors could probably make use of a rightclick option for "Give member X access to this hangar now!" as well as a better presentation of how the security of the corp is set up, what the security of each hangar is (a list of who can access it), etc etc.
2. EVE should be less "spreadsheets-in-space". The consummate trader and industrialist, sure, they can do their detailed profit calculations manually, but why does the combat pilot have to manually add up the ISK value of his loot? Why isn't the recycle value of items / stacks of items displayed? DPS on guns? Recharge / consumption rates on capacitor and shields? Why aren't NPC's color-coded by ship class and what EW / damage they can do?
We must memorize too much information to play this game.
3. Make the client smarter. Currently, the client lets you, even prompts you to, try an action, then the server pops up a window that says You can't do that!. Example I've given before: silos, the button to open them lights up at 3000 m, but when you try to do so, the server says "Must be within 1500 m to do that." WTF is that? That is annoying.
Make the client smarter, make the client know all these rules about distances and what can be opened, etc., and stop pestering us with pop-up boxes! I'd rather have the button for opening a silo be dimmed until I'm in range, and if I hover over it I should see a description that says "must be within x".
4. Right-click should give extra options, rather than being the default way of doing things. Don't know if CCP has noticed, but in Windows, I can do everything in a zillion ways. I can simply click / drag and drop, I can pick File -> Move from the menu bar, I can use a Winkey combination, I can right-click and choose from a context-sensitive menu, I can go through the control pannel and set options there, I can open the console and set options there, open registry and set my preferences there... 7-8 different ways to do the exact same damn action.
The EVE UI should have that.
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2008.05.22 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 22/05/2008 21:42:40
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777980
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Bald Rikk
Shark Infested Custard
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Bald Rikk on 22/05/2008 18:24:43
Customisable UI gets my vote.
Right now....
'XXXXXX' Wants you to join their fleet <yada yada> YES
"Bu$ú%r! S@&t! Pi$$ing Overview!!!"
Get the jist? It is more broken now than when I started playing 18 months ago
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:46:00 -
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Voculus
You'll want to click the "Check here if you want to give your support" button
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Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sariyah on 22/05/2008 19:52:47
Edited by: Sariyah on 22/05/2008 19:52:32
Oh God, please don't.
No scripting of ANY kind. More customization only if doesn't come with lower performance.
Scripting will make cheaters be able to cheat more.
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:53:00 -
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Vash Nomet
Vanguard Frontiers
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:56:00 -
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Of course. |
Haakelen
United Forces
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Posted - 2008.05.22 19:57:00 -
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Channel occupant filtering.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sariyah
Edited by: Sariyah on 22/05/2008 19:52:47
Edited by: Sariyah on 22/05/2008 19:52:32
Oh God, please don't.
No scripting of ANY kind. More customization only if doesn't come with lower performance.
Scripting will make cheaters be able to cheat more.
And it will make players able to play more. I know which I care more about. Besides, scripting is already possible, it's merely disallowed. You think that stops any macroers?
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Dusky Shark
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:07:00 -
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Hope CCP will listen to this.
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Ishina Fel
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:12:00 -
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I don't like a game where you have to learn to script to be able to play well.
Thumbs down.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel
I don't like a game where you have to learn to script to be able to play well.
Thumbs down.
Then do it the way WoW does it - scripts get formed into mods, posted at a single site. One in 10 million(or 100k, in the Eve context) needing to know how to script is far more palatable.
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Moridrex
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Posted - 2008.05.22 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel
I don't like a game where you have to learn to script to be able to play well.
Thumbs down.
The idea is NOT to make scripting necessary to play well. And the scripting in this context is not meant to be akin to Star Wars Galaxies scripting which allows you to automate functions to play the game.
The context in which I meant scripting is solely for interface/visual enhancements, and should be done ala (I'm going to say the evil word...hate the game but love the scripting component) WoW...player made addons that enhance the interface but do not give you an advantage.
I specifically blocked the ability for the script language used to target things or open fire on them...the two abilities most needed for an automated macro type script but NOT needed by interface enhancing scripts.
For instance, I would love to be able to re-write my asteroid scanner interface to color the roids I have targetted differently. It makes it easier to take a glance and know what roids *not* to relock. Additionally I'd like to do the cooldown effect common in other games for my mining lasers.
I'd like to be able to rebuild the drone interface so it's more functional...the thing is crap right now even with the Trinity enhancements.
I in no way want to make it so that an add-on script has the abilities to auto-suicide-gank people, auto-stripmine a belt, auto-mission farm, auto-warp-to-zero-afk-autopiloting, etc...and definitely want it to be so that people who choose no add-ons can still play. Just that those of us who will go get an addon or write our own can have our interfaces made more useful to the way we play.
And to mention evil games again...I know lots of people who played WoW with no addons and loved the game as is, and were competent. I myself played SWG (pre NGE) without using any macros (didn't even know how) until after level 80, and then I only bothered for the sake of saying I had. Proper introduction of a UI add-on scripting system does NOT mean requiring it to play or handing evil macros i-win buttons.
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Kivin San
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.22 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kivin San on 22/05/2008 21:18:34
It's disappointing that the average Eve player makes a distinct connection between customizable user interface and "macroing", as we've affectionately come to know it over the years.
When I clicked reply, I resolved not to mention Warcraft in my post. I find, now, that doing so is necessary - and damn the prejudices of the community. For all the persons that read this topic and are concerned that customizable = bad, allow me to point out a few things:
 Macroing is a very real problem. However, at what point are we willing to sacrifice the positive game play experience of legit players in order to put artificial inhibitions on macros?
Blizzard Entertainment's Warcraft UI is widely regarded as being one of the most useful, intuitive, and enjoyable in the genre. Regardless of persons' feelings towards the game itself, I've met few - if any - who don't believe that the custom UI has a tremendously positive impact on the game. In point of fact, I know of a handful of people who have actually continued their subscription long past when they would have - because they were able to play around with the UI.
Furthermore, Blizzard Entertainment has a track record for outlawing "unfavorable" behavior caused as a result of their UI. Every so often, a savvy player comes up with the means to do something that Blizzard deems inappropriate - much like the present bacon situation. Countless times, Blizzard has patched over a certain feature of the UI to keep it macro-safe - yet the UI still receives overwhelming positive appeal from the players.
There's a lot more players than there are Devs. Some of them, such as myself, have a strong programming background. I don't believe I'm the only one that believes that they could improve Eve for the majority of players without violating the ideals of those persons. And, to be perfectly frank: With CCP's track record for usability in Eve, I have a great deal more faith in the players to fix our UI.
Lastly, I would recommend that all persons read Xaen's excellent list of UI improvements: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=401234
This post has some excellent ideas, and a date stamp of Sept 2006! If CCP wont fix it, why shouldn't we be allowed to ourselves?
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Kinkie Yuuki
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Posted - 2008.05.23 01:44:00 -
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Professor Leech
Southern Light Entertainment
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.05.23 01:49:00 -
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Customisation is a powerful tool and enhances the player experience. Measures would need to be taken to prevent macroing and other cheats but that is a part of the package.
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven
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J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:35:00 -
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Seeing as Xaen hasn't said anything yet, I'd like to link to a significant discussion and changes: Xaen's List of UI Improvements.
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JVol
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:42:00 -
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/ agreed
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Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
And it will make players able to play more. I know which I care more about. Besides, scripting is already possible, it's merely disallowed. You think that stops any macroers?
It surely won't make people play more, not sure where you took that idea from. It will make players play considerably less and afk more while their UI is doing a good part of their job. You want to make a christmas tree out of your UI, there's other MMOs that support that and don't care much about the bad consequences. 10 mill is 10 mill, who cares if 50k of those are botters. It's extra $$.
You want to promote macroers and help them more. You one of them yourself or just a wannabee? Press the damn keys and play the game instead of wanting to just look at it while it's doing it (nearly) all.
I know there's places in this world where things like using manual transmission would be classified as heavy work  that doesn't mean Eve should do all your work, though.
Besides, I always enjoyed the simplicity of eve ui, no need for plugin/addon/script/macro etc. updating headache after every patch. Bad idea.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:37:00 -
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yes please, long overdue. EVE UI is one of the worse in MMORPG
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Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
yes please, long overdue. EVE UI is one of the worse in MMORPG
Tbh I'd say it's THE best by far.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sariyah
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
yes please, long overdue. EVE UI is one of the worse in MMORPG
Tbh I'd say it's THE best by far.
orly ? try f.e. guildwars and then repeat your argument. for the kind of gameplay that the games support, GW has a much better UI not to speak about the customisability.
EVE ui lacks features to accomodate basic gameplay for some things.
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Sariyah
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sariyah on 23/05/2008 10:12:42
O'rly. You can change those 6 buttons in gw or whatever, nice.
Eve has an unusual ui, I needed some time to get used to it at first, but I can use it effectively for whatever I need to so I see no issue. It has everything I need and everything is easily accessible if you are familiar with it and know where to look...
Not sure why one would need scripting and such, unless some hidden desire to be able to cheat even more. It's clear really. If you think a certain game is better, well, feel free to choose. You won't be missed. Not everyone likes eve and it's fine.
Oh btw, when did GW even became a MMO? Last time I checked it was like almost fully instanced so basically nothing better than a LAN game.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 23/05/2008 10:26:54
Originally by: Sariyah
Edited by: Sariyah on 23/05/2008 10:12:42
O'rly. You can change those 6 buttons in gw or whatever, nice.
Eve has an unusual ui, I needed some time to get used to it at first, but I can use it effectively for whatever I need to so I see no issue. It has everything I need and everything is easily accessible if you are familiar with it and know where to look...
Not sure why one would need scripting and such, unless some hidden desire to be able to cheat even more. It's clear really. If you think a certain game is better, well, feel free to choose. You won't be missed. Not everyone likes eve and it's fine.
Oh btw, when did GW even became a MMO? Last time I checked it was like almost fully instanced so basically nothing better than a LAN game.
you can hide/show/resize/reposition all the info elements in GW. you don't get your keyboard monopolised by a chat window. oh this one is nice - you can actualy see the cooldown/recharg status of your used spells :-)
eve: can't reposition HUD. can't change HUD size. can't use any key for actions, only alt/ctrl combos as stupid chat windows takes them. combat log is on/off without ANY way to make it usefull.
want more ?
EDIT: it took like 3 years for CCP to give us movable locked target icons ...
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Bael Thazor
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Posted - 2008.05.23 10:36:00 -
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Thirzarr
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Posted - 2008.05.23 16:19:00 -
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Well, The UI is pretty much one thing: horrible.
: Mouse-Motion-Distances for simple interrelated tasks are huge
: There are quite alot of Features missing in Button-Commands (fire all weapons)
: There are feedbacks missing on several commands (Drone Setting changed)
: The overview and joining fleets and/or deploying drones is just plain broken
Several other issues come to mind, but let me just stay with these.
Yes, an overhaul is needed. Scripting and lua, no I dont think that is wise. Usually "addons" can suck alot of player-owned-skill out of games (Anyone know "Threat Meters"?)
Features to be wished for:
* Keybindings for often-repeated-command-chains.
* Feedback of what kind of ship you are controlling.
* Reduced Eye and Mouse motion.
* WORKING overview or a total replacement.
I do hope that some day the interface wont look like its assembled to alpha-test the game anymore.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.23 16:35:00 -
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Customizable UI (move things around, more flexibility with keybinds, resize things, MAYBE customizable windows and/or taskbars, that sort of thing) would be nice.
Automation of simple tasks like watching Local for hostiles (BACON), mining/ratting/mission running (macros) would not be nice.
I'm all in favor of custom UIs, as long as automation is kept out.
Originally by: techzer0
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Jameroz
Echoes of Space
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:28:00 -
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The UI currently isn't that great so maybe it could be made better with scripting.
Few neat ideas came in mind:
- Being able to select ammo that will be automatically reload when last one runs out
- Being able to turn on weapons after reload is finished
- Attack queues, ie shoot this target and when it's dead shoot next one
- New hotkeys always needed, for example tagging hotkeys could be nice
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Moridrex
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sariyah
Not sure why one would need scripting and such, unless some hidden desire to be able to cheat even more. It's clear really. If you think a certain game is better, well, feel free to choose. You won't be missed. Not everyone likes eve and it's fine.
I think the big problem is most people think I meant scripting as in scripting actions in the game. Not so. I meant scripting as in script language for modifying the UI. I specifically ruled out tools that make the game automated. I *don't* want the scripting to be able to fly your ship, auto target, activate weapons, etc...specifically to *not* let people cheat.
I want things like the ability to add in-game calculators for cost of producing something. Highlight certain things in my overview or asteroid scanner window. Move or redesign my HUD so it is easier to read/takes less space. Sure, some things like calculators can be gotten in IGB websites produced by other people, but with the lag the IGB has that's not always feasible. Maybe I want the healthbars for my locked targets to overlay the bottom of the locked target's image instead of being underneath it. Maybe, I want my chat windows to show the people in them as a list rather than having their avatars next to it (most of which I don't bother clicking and caching anyway, resulting in a lot of wasted screen space).
These things don't constitute cheating. They just make life easier for some of us who have an array of spreadsheets and websites that we work with to give us better info, or have really cluttered screens with having Local/Corp/Alliance chats up, maybe cargo hold, fleet windows, locked targets, drones, overview, etc....EVE is a game about information but it doesn't give most of us efficient tools for displaying the information we have.
And so far, none of what has been suggested gives an advantage to the UI in the form of an edge other people, so those of you who are resistant to change, don't like christmas trees, etc...don't have to use it and are still just as competent as those with.
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.23 21:33:00 -
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The important distinction here is that the players want a way to customize the UI to their liking, such as with a scripting language like LUA, but without enabling players to automate certain functions in the game. This is more than possible, and I feel CCP has ignored the issue of UI customization for way too long.
Despite the widespread public opinion about a certain game abbreviated "WoW", having been actively involved in UI customization for said game for a good I can say that the LUA scripting system in said game was one of its best and most powerful features despite Warcarft's many other shortcomings.
As long as CCP could manage a UI scripting system that allowed UI customization without enabling players to automate EON actions directly I wholeheartedly support this issue.
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Athre
The HIgher Standard
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:22:00 -
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rasheedwallace
Sky Net Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 06:02:00 -
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Something should be done to make the ui a little more customizable
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Runewitch
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.24 08:40:00 -
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Forget ambulation until this is done first imo.
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Kivin San
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.25 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Runewitch
Forget ambulation until this is done first imo.
this.
Say no to silly gimmicks and fix the things that have been a total drag since day 1.
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Elseix
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Posted - 2008.05.28 21:59:00 -
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Terrible UI is making new players who are ex-WoW not want to play. This shouldn't require the CSM's to bring it up but considering CCP still hasn't fixed the new bugs that were added in the last patch...
Making the UI suck less should be a major priority. It needs a major overhaul.
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Dani Leone
A Dark Cloud
Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2008.05.31 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kivin San
Originally by: Runewitch
Forget ambulation until this is done first imo.
this.
Say no to silly gimmicks and fix the things that have been a total drag since day 1.
No. I want my silly gimmicks, and any gewgaws or gim*****s.
But Seriously UI leaves a huge amount to be desired, could do with some real heavy duty overhauling and a lot of love.
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Posted - 2008.05.31 07:41:00 -
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Garthal
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.31 09:02:00 -
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It's amazing how low-tech and user unfriendly the UI is, for a game as old and rich as EVE.
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area51
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.31 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Runewitch
Forget ambulation until this is done first imo.
ditto!
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Runewitch
Forget ambulation until this is done first imo.
This for f***'s sake.
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Alphrenel
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2008.05.31 20:09:00 -
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double supped
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Ashnagala
Cybertec Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.31 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alphrenel
double supped
As she said, double supped :)
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Mr Siman
Spawn More Overlords
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Posted - 2008.05.31 20:24:00 -
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Czanthria
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.05.31 23:40:00 -
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Irista Ari'star
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Posted - 2008.06.04 03:26:00 -
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EVE's UI needs serious work, my biggest problem with it is that it almost always keeps getting in my way. Regardless if I'm PvPing or mining.
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Satis Tyr
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Posted - 2008.06.04 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Satis Tyr on 04/06/2008 05:44:00
I support this product and/or survice
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Chuck Skull
BBK Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:25:00 -
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Pretty please with a leggy blonde covered in cherries on top.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:30:00 -
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hell yes!
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Void Monarch
Aorte Cerebrum
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Posted - 2008.06.04 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sariyah
Besides, I always enjoyed the simplicity of eve ui
O'rly? That 'simplicity' isn't allowing new players to play, only adding headaches.
And please please don't argue about game you even haven't played.
/signed to OP
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Ranamar
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Posted - 2008.06.04 11:56:00 -
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supported...
The UI has some deficiencies I'd love to fix, and this is one thing that I think would be good to outsource to players, because the players are already doing it...
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Takimi Star
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Posted - 2008.06.05 00:02:00 -
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/agree 100%
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Yuki Santara
Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu
Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2008.06.05 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ranamar
supported...
The UI has some deficiencies I'd love to fix, and this is one thing that I think would be good to outsource to players, because the players are already doing it...
The only way I could ever support this would be, if:
A) The best ideas and improvements get regularly moved back into the standard interface (even then, many will keep their changes private).
B) A system is in place to quickly switch between specialized interfaces, so a focused interface modification doesn't result in less flexibility (it's just terrible when players have to choose between an interface that allows them to do one thing well, or an interface that allows them to everything a bit less well).
Generally I am against excessive customization, because it detracts from the real problem (the interface needs to be improved) and adds unnecessary complexity, which can actually make it harder to implement real improvements (and it definitely makes it harder to get into the game, not just because you might have to at least download a more efficient interface, but also because not everyone may be on the same page regarding UI documentation).
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Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Originally by: Sariyah
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
And it will make players able to play more. I know which I care more about. Besides, scripting is already possible, it's merely disallowed. You think that stops any macroers?
It surely won't make people play more, not sure where you took that idea from. It will make players play considerably less and afk more while their UI is doing a good part of their job. You want to make a christmas tree out of your UI, there's other MMOs that support that and don't care much about the bad consequences. 10 mill is 10 mill, who cares if 50k of those are botters. It's extra $$.
You want to promote macroers and help them more. You one of them yourself or just a wannabee? Press the damn keys and play the game instead of wanting to just look at it while it's doing it (nearly) all.
I know there's places in this world where things like using manual transmission would be classified as heavy work that doesn't mean Eve should do all your work, though.
Besides, I always enjoyed the simplicity of eve ui, no need for plugin/addon/script/macro etc. updating headache after every patch. Bad idea.
By "play more" I mean "spend more of their time actually playing", as opposed to fighting with the UI. And it's not that I want to make a "christmas tree" out of my UI - WoW pastels aren't really my thing - it's that I want to be able to do something with it to make it not like beating my head against the wall. I'm not a fan of WoW gameplay, and I love Eve's, but on the UI front my opinions are completely the opposite. Eve's UI is an abomination in so many ways, whereas WoW has done just about everything right that I can see.
Originally by: Sariyah
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
yes please, long overdue. EVE UI is one of the worse in MMORPG
Tbh I'd say it's THE best by far.
Tbh I'd say you're nuts.
Originally by: Sariyah
Edited by: Sariyah on 23/05/2008 10:12:42
O'rly. You can change those 6 buttons in gw or whatever, nice.
Eve has an unusual ui, I needed some time to get used to it at first, but I can use it effectively for whatever I need to so I see no issue. It has everything I need and everything is easily accessible if you are familiar with it and know where to look...
Not sure why one would need scripting and such, unless some hidden desire to be able to cheat even more. It's clear really. If you think a certain game is better, well, feel free to choose. You won't be missed. Not everyone likes eve and it's fine.
Oh btw, when did GW even became a MMO? Last time I checked it was like almost fully instanced so basically nothing better than a LAN game.
I can't comment on GW(unlike WoW, it hasn't eaten the life of half of my friends), but this insinuation that people only want scripting so that they can cheat is insanity. I don't cheat, I've never cheated in any multiplayer game I've played, and I don't intend to start no matter what scripting is added to Eve. And while none of us can be sure, I imagine myself to be pretty typical. Most people are here to play, not to rack up bigger numbers, and even if most of the worst fears about scripting were realized, a large majority of players wouldn't abuse the new system.
Also, the "go back to WoW" bit is provincialism at its worst. I don't like the game, but it didn't get to 10 million subscribers because the devs were stupid and implemented a game with no redeeming features. I've never heard of a game company doing badly by picking up best practices from Blizzard, and WoW's UI is definitely one of the best things Blizzard has produced that I've ever seen. Don't ignore them just because of the deep inferiority complex everybody on these forums seems to have with regards to our local 800-lb gorilla.
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Amira Silvermist
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Sile Suirghiche
Gaidhlig Technology
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Posted - 2008.06.07 19:33:00 -
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Posilutely!
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Dern Morrow
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.07 20:33:00 -
[63]
Yes please.
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Coburn Vor
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Posted - 2008.06.07 20:39:00 -
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not much more to say - YES
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Siebenthal
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Posted - 2008.07.15 13:33:00 -
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Rogerano
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.08.25 05:30:00 -
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FULLY customisable and scriptable interface please. Screw macro concerns.
Blizzard don't penalise their players by shoving a black mask over their interface's head and stuffing a red ball in its mouth. Why should the EVE interface be gimped so hard? It is the poorest game interface I have EVER had the misfortune to be forced to use. I'd be embarrassed if I were its "designer".
The majority of users should never be punished so that a tiny minority can be thwarted - other means of dealing with the macro issue should be found.
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Sile Suirghiche
Gaidhlig Technology
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Posted - 2008.08.25 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Sile Suirghiche on 25/08/2008 15:06:28
...[meh]
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Ackuula
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Posted - 2008.08.26 18:27:00 -
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/signed
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Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.09.24 10:10:00 -
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Would quite love it. As long as this does not 'break' the game that is.
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