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royal killer
The Funkalistic
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.30 14:41:00 -
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I found it that training Large Blaster Spec to level 5 just for 2% damage (considering the time it takes) not that worth it, but when it comes to Medium spec skills and below if you fly the ship a lot it might turn out to help a lot. Cross training is more fun tho, opens a lot more doors for you
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.30 23:47:00 -
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Cross training ftw after you spec your main race to:
-lvl 5 on ships (frig,cruiser,BS)
-lvl 4 on gun/missile specialization skills
For instance, if you're caldari, make your "second" race be minmatar since you'll use the shield and missile skills on several ships.
Once you have the second race's ships at 5 and guns at 4, train up the ship specialisation skills to lvl5 (hac/recon/commandship etc)
In the meantime train drones a bit as you use them on all ships and so on.
Myself, I just haven't bothered with gunspeccing to lvl5 and I now have all races BS at 5, recons/hac/commandships at 5 and so on. What can I say, I like variety but we've been around for a while 
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z3roskill
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Posted - 2008.05.31 03:01:00 -
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Hi there..
I had the same question as Cortana AI,thats why im not posting another thread
Im a caldari pilot..when i started playing,i trained towards caldari bc and bs and started doing mission running..
But now i have moved to 0.0 and started doing plexes and ratting to make a living but i see that caldari arent ideal for pvp...
So far i have trained caldari Af's / hacs / recons / cov ops/ stealth bombers / interceptors but i really wanted to fly a typhoon when im in bs fleets cause ravens suck ,so i started training minmatar frig...eventually i can now fly minmatar af's too and currently training minmatar cruisers lvl5 to get in a vaga before learning minm bs..
But today i had an idea so i jc to empire and bought 200mil worth of bpo's and bpc's and when i got back i mined for 1 hour in an osprey
Thus,i want to spend a week or so to train for a retriever and do some mining,learn some skills needed for research and manufacturing, to start producing stuff with the bp's i bought..
I ve made a plan in evemon and according to it i will be able to do all these **** (fit all the ships i will be able to fly with t2 mods and have some good reaserch/mining and manufacturing skills) in about 300days(ship skills to lvl4 except frig and cruiser).
I'd like to have more options on what to do ingame in the future (ratting/ mission running /probing / pvp / mining / manufacturing) thats why im training for all this ****.
IMPORTANT NOTE: I cant spend more money for another subscription to make alts for each of these professions
Sooo...what do you guys think? should i resell all the bp's i got and continiue with my previous plan (typhoon) ?
Any of you find this a good idea? That i will be able to do almost everything in a year thus making more isk etc?
Sorry if you cant understand everything i say but english is not my native language.
Thanks in advance, be nice
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Jung Hi
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:31:00 -
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Cross training is done for a variety of reasons, e.g. Just for fun, wanting to use specific ships, wanting to use faction ships, etc.
My main can use all Caldari, Minmatar and Gallente Frigs, Cruisers, Caldari and Gallente BS's etc.
The original reason for me doing this was so I could fly faction ships, e.g. my Gila, Rattlesnake etc. however, as I continue my training I find myself cross training more skills, just because I tend to want to pick and choose between the best ships available to me.
Would I recommend it? Definitely. It's much more fun having at least some ship skills cross trained, as it allows you to be more specialised in certain areas. And as someone else pointed out earlier in the thread, it makes less impact on your char if things get nerf'd.
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Deadly Huntress
Mining Bytes Inc.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.01 08:07:00 -
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@zero
Pick a main, this character can do many "professions". Mine for examples can just barely fly haulers, flys logistics,hacs,bs,exhumers. All the ships are t2 fits as well. This took some time but I only picked 1 race of BS to fly. Now my pvp "alt" (these days my main) can fly all 4 races, just nothing above a cruiser. Basically you'll find that you don't want to invest 25d into that gun spec skill for barely a boost in dps so you go with another race. Just understand that it'll take time.
@OP
I like cross training. I only cross-train to a certain level though. I've cross trained Cruiser and Frigate hulls. Not every cruiser/frigate either. I only fly Hac/Recon and AF/Ceptor. Gall/Amarr tank overlap. Matar/Caldari tank overlap (sort of). Gall/Caldari guns overlap (boo missiles pvp). Amarr/Matar run it solo for guns, although Caldari/Matar do overlap missiles. This is part of the reason Caldari are ideal as they overlap several races and can cross-train easy enough to another race.
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Ezri Filth
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.01 18:58:00 -
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Don't.
My main is specializing in Gallente ships (all relevant skills to 5, and this is not a joke) and is bitter about every single SP he invested in crap like industry, other races ships and weapons, shields, etc...
Stick to your race of choice and pwn them all.
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Oktacon
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Posted - 2008.06.02 23:20:00 -
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 Originally by: ElCoCo
Cross training ftw after you spec your main race to:
-lvl 5 on ships (frig,cruiser,BS)
-lvl 4 on gun/missile specialization skills
For instance, if you're caldari, make your "second" race be minmatar since you'll use the shield and missile skills on several ships.
Once you have the second race's ships at 5 and guns at 4, train up the ship specialisation skills to lvl5 (hac/recon/commandship etc)
In the meantime train drones a bit as you use them on all ships and so on.
Myself, I just haven't bothered with gunspeccing to lvl5 and I now have all races BS at 5, recons/hac/commandships at 5 and so on. What can I say, I like variety but we've been around for a while
Or, you could become Gallente, to also use the sexyness that is the Blaster rokh, assuming you were just focusing on missile skills
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.06.03 16:11:00 -
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As far as combat related skills go, if you do cross-train try to have some overlap. I cross-trained Caldari and Gallente because both use hybrids. Caldari/Amarr is probably the hardest cross-train to pull off because they have such different skill-sets.
As for non-combat related skills, it depends on what sized corp you are in and how many accounts you want open. If you're in a large corp with good industrial/logistic support, or have a second account, I would not train non-combat skills on a primarily combat character; let the corp or your second account handle that stuff. If you're like me and came from a small corp with only one account, some non-combat cross-training is almost required but you don't have to go crazy. I've got about 24.5mil SPs total and with about a million SP investment early on in Industry, Science, Mechanic, and Spaceship Command, I can fly Retreivers, mine and refine decently, and do basic research and production. Well worth the time spent in my eyes, even though I don't use the skills often.
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.03 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bronson Hughes
As far as combat related skills go, if you do cross-train try to have some overlap. I cross-trained Caldari and Gallente because both use hybrids. Caldari/Amarr is probably the hardest cross-train to pull off because they have such different skill-sets.
There are quite a few tech 2 amar ships that use missiles as there primary... infact having a purely caldari character i would probably cross train to amarr first so i could use those missile ships without haveing to worry about a whole new weapons system, thats just me.
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Euriti
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:01:00 -
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I'm gallente, I currently have BC 4, Cruiser 4, Frigate 4 and t2 mediums, gonna train minmatar now, I don't like battleships alot and minmatar have awesome small ships, go for it :)
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ArmyOfMe
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.06.03 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Cross training means CCP can never nerf you.
lol, a very good point
i crosstrained simply cause i want to be able to fly any ship i want.
atm i have all 4 races cruiser lvl 5 with their t2 guns. and also have hac 5, commandship 5 and so on so i can still fly all my ships well.
gonna start on all battleships to 5 as soon as recon 5 is done
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Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:30:00 -
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You can only fly one ship at a time. . .I find that having a long list of ships you can fly is overrated. I think choising one race and mastering that race fully is the way to go. HAC5, BB5, large guns spec 5, CS 5, leadership skills to 5, support skills to 5. . .when you are done with all that and there is really nothing more to train - then you train another races frig/cruiser/bb to 5 and the gunnery skills and thats all you have to do. . .for the most part, support skills and HAC, CS type skills are shared - so the only 'cross-train' nessisary is racial frig, cruiser, bb to 5 and the spacific gunnery skills (hybrid, projectile, lazers). . .the rest is shared.
so is cross-training an issue? well, other then training the rracial skills and spacific gunnery skills - there is no such thing as 'cross-training'. . .
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Leather Boy
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Posted - 2008.06.05 08:25:00 -
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Cross training Caldari and Gallente works out pretty well since they use the same weapons :) But need to train for both shield and armor though... :-|
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.06.06 00:20:00 -
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Once you get one race trained pretty darn well, then I don't see the harm in expanding. I'm minmatar to the bone, but I just started training amarr ships. Besides a few small skills (Controlled bursts - that's about it :|) and the racial skills (amarr ships/lasers), it doesn't take very long. Having BC 5 and hopping into a harbinger was very pleasing, even if I couldnt fit t2 pulse.
I kind of switch back and forth between training amarr and training minnie. Right now there's certainly no (and I mean 0) incentive to train for minmatar capital ships, and I don't really like caps anyway, so I dont mind picking through all the subcaps. I plan to train all subcap minnie, amarr, and gallente ships.
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Kusha'an
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.06 01:53:00 -
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I crossed from Dominix to Raven for ratting and it's made a huge difference. I'm glad I did. With half the missile skills I have in gunnery I'm killing rats twice as fast.
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Agazoth V
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
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Posted - 2008.06.06 03:22:00 -
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Only thing I've cross training is to use a blackbird. I'm a full combat toon and realize how useful ECM is. I'll debate now training up Recon 5 and having a pure Cal/Minny toon.
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Zerode
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Posted - 2008.06.07 13:58:00 -
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I'm crosstrained in 3 races. Have them att to BS5 and large spec lvl4, all base skills to lvl5. It takes time (4 years) but it's alot of fun  |
hellwarrior
Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2008.06.09 11:04:00 -
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all bs 5
all cruiser 5
hac command recon 5
maurader,hic 4
all t2 spec'd up
there is nothing wrong with cross training. it takes time, but more important than that are engineering/nav/mechanic skills imo which have more influence than 2 or 4% dps.
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