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Cortana AI
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:22:00 -
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Hey I'm just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on cross training. Obviously you lose a bit of the ability to use one races ships VERY effectively, atleast initially, but other than that what is the general look towards it?
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MotoMissles
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:35:00 -
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Whether or not to cross-train depends on how serious you are about the game imo. If you're a casual gamer who plays the game to have fun, cross train away. If you're the A-Type personality that needs to be the absolute best (even though there's always someone bigger and better than you in EVE), don't cross train...open a second account and train an alt instead!
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Estel Arador
AFK
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Posted - 2008.05.22 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 22/05/2008 22:36:19
I've crosstrained everything and I love it: I can pick whatever ship is perfect for the job at hand.
No intention to ever go for capitals, so plenty of time to train non-capital skills.
 Originally by: MotoMissles
If you're a casual gamer who plays the game to have fun, cross train away.
That's me!
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.05.23 00:22:00 -
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I have 3 accounts because I like having 3 different play styles.
One is mission runner
One is Industry/(soon)Capital pilot/0.0 stuff
One (this) is a pure pvp small ships
Also I like it this way as I can be helpful with my mission runner and still pirate and pod with my other.
Originally by: Radcjk
PvP in eve can be sort of rough. It's closer to bad sex. Usually an hour of two of foreplay followed by 5 minutes of disappointment. And the surprise at the end.
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Saietor Blackgreen
The First Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.23 07:40:00 -
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I did crosstrain, and its mighty fun. There should be a field you specialize in though, where you can fly T2 ships and use T2 weapons, its funnier that way.
Now you see how cool it is to be Minmatar? :)
And jumpclones made it much easier to switch from activity to activity easily without alts.
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Loash
Demented But Determined
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Posted - 2008.05.23 09:04:00 -
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*raises hand* Cross trainer here or perhaps you could say "small ship specialist" 
Currently I've got all Frigates to V and all small weapons to V (so that gives me access to all frigates, interceptors, covops, EAS, assault ships, destroyers (at V too) and interdictors). I've got Amarr Cruiser V sorted (+ medium energy weapons to V) and I'm working on 'matar Cruiser V (got the medium projectile weapons to V already).
Why? I really don't like the big ships, my mission running alt has a BS and it's just too slow, I much prefer the smaller ships for PvP. It makes me pretty much unnerfable as far as the small ships go and it gives me a hell of a lot of variety in what I fly (as long as what I fly is a small ship  ).
So whilst I am heavily cross trained, I'm still effective at what I do (small ships) since almost all my skill points are in those areas...it's specialisation in a diverse way. |
Cortana AI
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Posted - 2008.05.24 14:11:00 -
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Ok great posts guys, now I know all that SP wasn't a waste in the eyes of the community  plus as mentioned it is rather nice to have a ship for every job.
Cheers
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Nappy Blownapart
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Posted - 2008.05.24 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Nappy Blownapart on 24/05/2008 17:32:30
You might try browsing through the character sale forum to get an idea of what others have trained. Some characters are definately better built than others, and cross training makes it tougher to fly your ships well.
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VaderDSL
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:26:00 -
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Yup cross trainer here, in my early days went for the mission runner option, so got missiles, shields, caldari stuff all sorted, then went to industry for a while, helping out a small industry corp then I got into leadership skills to help gang mates etc.
So now I find myself at 51 million skill points specialised in all the logistics ships (all lvl 5) all the command ships (all leadership trees at 5) + all 4 mindlinks and specialised in all 4 race recons, all at 4/5
But 4 years on I am only just learning Tech 2 autocannons and I can only use tech 2 heavy missiles, tech 2 blasters and railguns (medium) so you see you can go any route you want to. Personally I've fund cross training fun, I can fly any ship in any gang virtually, either recon, bs (poorly I admit) logistics, command ship, tackler (inties)
Given me more fun than sticking to one ship and mastering it, never been good at that.
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TimMc
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:44:00 -
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Cross training means CCP can never nerf you.
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Blk Mage
Rogue Chrome Angelz
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:05:00 -
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Nothing wrong with cross training, except time.
Gallente player, but sitting in my Thorax a while back I realized that I really like lasers, so I went to Amaar. Now my BS of choice is an Apoc, and I love it. If I had stuck with Gallente, I'd most likely be regretting it right now.
Of course, this was an entire style change. I wouldn't recommend it for just one or 2 ships.
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Caldorous
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:44:00 -
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I've cross trained... because i've haven't got another alternative.
Also, it's more fun, makes yourself more versatile
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Oakrayven
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.25 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Cross training means CCP can never nerf you.
Mr Murphy is a very patient man in my mmo experience. . .
Trust Aura. Aura is Your Friend.
If your too paranoid to play EVE. . .
Then your not Paranoid enough to play EVE.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.05.25 05:35:00 -
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train for whatever you want, just don't expect to be amazing if you half ass your training.
if you want to go from a brutix pilot to a harbinger pilot its going to take some time, don't think your bc 4 and medium energy turret 4 will make you a great harb pilot. you of course wont be terrible but you wont be great.
I plan on eventually being competent in 2-3 races, but its going to take a while 
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.25 08:29:00 -
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Crosstrainning is something that can be quite time consuming in Eve depending on what you cross train too. Cross trainning say Minmatar Interceptors with Gallente Interceptors for instance isn't that much of a big deal. Say a month of extra trainning to be proficient in your secondary race's ships. Personally speaking I have cross trainned Frigate and Cruiser hulls for a few races. To cross trainn Battleships or above hoever would take a long time indeed partyl due to the weapon specialisation skills and partly due to the ship skills themsleves. As to the tank skills. Well to fly ships well it is worth boosting the basic tank skills of the opposite tank you fly anyway to give you that extra buffer so the only consideration for cross trainning for me is basically the weapon/ewar and ship skills themselves.
Cross trainning offers me options. I prefer being flexible in what I can do. If I want to head out and hurt people alot I can fly a Cerb or an Ishtar. If I want to Ewar people I can fly a Falcon or an Arazu. If I am flying a combat ceptor I will probably be in a Ranis or a Maelidiction but if I am tackling I will probably be in a Raptor or an Ares. The sheer range of options available to me makes up for the fact that I not "the best" as flying on particular ship. I know someone who has spent over a year skilling for the crow to become the best crow pilot int he game and he is but if the fleet op we are doing doesn't call for a crow then he's got a problem ;).
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Ralumos
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:31:00 -
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I'm Caldari and trying to PvP.
I'm training Gallente Cruiser V as we speak.
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Broseidon
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Posted - 2008.05.27 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ralumos
I'm Caldari and trying to PvP.
I'm training Gallente Cruiser V as we speak.
This. Also, cross training can only improve you. Do it! It's more fun when you have those options available.
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Zantei
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ralumos
I'm Caldari and trying to PvP.
I'm training Gallente Cruiser V as we speak.
There is a great irony in this.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.05.27 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 27/05/2008 10:43:05
Originally by: Ralumos
I'm Caldari and trying to PvP.
I'm training Gallente Cruiser V as we speak.
you will regret that.
caldari may not be the the race with "SOLOPWNMOBILES" buts its surley the race with the only ew that hasnt been nerfed into total uselessness like galente or amarr.
IMO cross training is ok when you have a decent amount of sp already. Also it shouldnt be an excuss to train boring but useful skills (tanking/navigation/cap) No matter what you train you will have to train a long skill at some point and thats realy important.
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Admiral Madbull
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Posted - 2008.05.27 12:37:00 -
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Sure if you want to test other ships why not?
All skills you ever "loose" from cross training is:
- frigate
- cruiser
- battleship
- weapon skills (energy, projectile, missile, hybrid)
All other skills are always usefull for a char nomatter what race you belong to, so its not a biggie to cross train
But most of all, if you enjoy testing new ships, then why not?
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Endless Subversion
Club Bear
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Posted - 2008.05.27 19:12:00 -
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Contrary to the rest of the thread:
I'm against cross training. I fly ships that have specific roles. I want these ships to do the very best that they can in these roles. My ships ability to do what I want them to do is majorly enhanced if I can squeeze the absolute most amount of performance out of them.
If I'm forced to skill supporting skills and totally different weapon systems (..im looking at you khanid II, way to screw laser users) on top of the mass of skills I already need it takes me longer to get the skills I need to their max levels.
Specialization is the key to your ship's maximum performance and cross training slows this down.
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linux4ever
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.27 23:51:00 -
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i started crosstraining really soon like 2-3 yeahrs ago
and now ive ended up
having 3 races i can fly allmost all ships with all weapons
so if you are crosstraining
you are just getting a step closer to flying all stuff :)
so thumbs up for crosstraining
train for the ships you like to fly !!!!
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digitalwanderer
Archon Industries
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.28 00:48:00 -
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Sir Substance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 01:03:00 -
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cross train for ships, sure. but don't cross train professions. i think it takes somewhere between 25 and 30 years to train every skill in the game, so its really to your advantage to pick one profession and stick to it.
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Alexandra
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:18:00 -
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When you are just starting out EVE, I would say it's okay to cross train a bit at the T1 ship level and see which race you like and want to specialize in. After you find one you like, then specialize in it and go for the T2 ships, weapons and tanking skills.
IMO, becoming an expert in one race is what can really give you an edge in combat over someone who spreads themselves out over several races. And trust me, it takes years to learn a race to the level to become an expert at it. Both in Skill points and real life skills as well. Each race has their own set of tactics to learn.
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Kilostream
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:47:00 -
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Crosstraining helps nerf-proof you a little bit, since you can switch races.
Also, once you have trained up for your chosen specialisation, you will find crosstraining is actually pretty easy anyway - for example lets say you were gallente and had trained up for a Deimos with all t2 guns etc.
You already have the HAC pre-requisites down, so all you'd need for an Eagle would be Caldari cruiser 5 and boom, you're in the ship. Also, you already have the t2 blasters for your deimos, so at most you'd need to train up the railgun specializations to get the t2 sniper fit on yer Eagle.
Once you've covered the base skills, crosstraining is not that bad as you've covered a lot of ground already.
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The Djego
merovinger inc
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Posted - 2008.05.28 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 28/05/2008 13:22:54
Originally by: Endless Subversion
Contrary to the rest of the thread:
I'm against cross training. I fly ships that have specific roles. I want these ships to do the very best that they can in these roles. My ships ability to do what I want them to do is majorly enhanced if I can squeeze the absolute most amount of performance out of them.
If I'm forced to skill supporting skills and totally different weapon systems (..im looking at you khanid II, way to screw laser users) on top of the mass of skills I already need it takes me longer to get the skills I need to their max levels.
Specialization is the key to your ship's maximum performance and cross training slows this down.
This.
I also highly speced in Gallente(I decided to switch over about 1.5 years ago and didnŠt spend points on Minmatar since then, I still fly them from time to time for fun).
If you can fly many ships you have choice. If you can only one race you are a bit more limeted but more powerfull overall. If I engage another Mega with my Mega the Pilot can play 5 years and wonŠt have any big advantage against me.
Maxing your Skills with one race will make you outstanding Pilote, equal at worst in any kind of PVP engagement.
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425 II In PVE? Surely hybrid users use Blaster in PvE.
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Taguchi Ryoma
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Posted - 2008.05.29 01:14:00 -
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Cross train 2 races is your most efficient bet. Stay at the HAC level or below. Make sure they share primary or secondary weapons systems, so you need not spend extra time on training weapons. Tank does not take much time to train so not a big consideration. You will be able to fly with either lv4 or lv5 for all modules you use on all the ships you fly, in a very short amount of time. in other words you are no worse than someone who specializes in 1 race only.
To give you an example, if you begin specializing in Deimos, it doesn't take long to go for an Eagle. Of course, those arn't the two best HAC's, so getting the best outta eve takes a little bit of breaking the rules above, but not much.
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LordSwift
New Eden Regimental Navy
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:58:00 -
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Hi, i can fly up to amarr cruisers, caldari BS and heavy assalts, manufacture, mine in barges, refine lvl5. and i like having the choice to fly what i like, do what i like. i sometimes regret not focusing myself on a particular career path but then i am more flexible in my corporation.
I am focusing on caldari ships for the near future and combat skills. but maybe one day il train for amarr battleships just cos they look cool and scary with 8 tacyon beams firing at once.
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Kusha'an
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.29 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Taguchi Ryoma
Cross train 2 races is your most efficient bet. Stay at the HAC level or below. Make sure they share primary or secondary weapons systems, so you need not spend extra time on training weapons. Tank does not take much time to train so not a big consideration. You will be able to fly with either lv4 or lv5 for all modules you use on all the ships you fly, in a very short amount of time. in other words you are no worse than someone who specializes in 1 race only.
To give you an example, if you begin specializing in Deimos, it doesn't take long to go for an Eagle. Of course, those arn't the two best HAC's, so getting the best outta eve takes a little bit of breaking the rules above, but not much.
Another example that I've done is training for stealth bombers, I skilled up for cruise missiles. Suddenly I also decided that I wasn't happy with the ratting capability of my Domi, so I'm cross training for a Raven. I've already got the highs trained. A little more shield skilling and I'm there.
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