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Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:38:00 - [1] Nowhere is safe, ever. Empire is mostly safe, but if you're undocked, people can shoot you and kill you. Lo-sec is safe in places, but should generally be treated as hostile. 0.0 is also safe in places, but if you see people, assume they'll try to kill you. Your name is everything. People trust Chribba with motherships because he's spent years building his name, and they don't trust a two-month old character with an exclamation mark for a face with their money because maybe it's a lottery, but it's likely a scam. There's no such thing as a fair fight. People play this game for different reasons. Some want to fight, some want to argue, some want to mine, some want to kill NPCs, some want to build empires, some want to destroy them. Some want to collect stuff, others want to steal, others want to play politics, and some just want to meet chicks. Don't assume your norm is applicable in the next person's case, because it probably isn't. People are going to be mean to you on the forums. Hell, someone is gonna be mean to me in this very thread, guaranteed. It's ok, they don't really hate you, and it's just internets. This is CCP's game. If you don't like the way things are, you have many avenues to suggest it constructively. If they say no, a hissy fit won't work, and it's STILL their game. Maybe you should think about your options. Nobody cares if you, your seventeen friends, and all of your 36 accounts are quitting because 'x mechanic is broken'. The only people replying are those that want your stuff. _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
fux lol Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:54:00 - [2] Edited by: fux lol on 22/05/2008 22:54:44 win/lose your choice i should start reading threads i post in :( Fake edit: yes these are truths indeed.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:08:00 - [3] Nice list. Let's see if we can't keep adding to it. The most vocal group is usually not representative of the majority of players even if they think they are. Most players don't visit the EVE website, forum, in-game news or devblogs. The terms "blob" and "fleet" are interchangeable. The only difference is that it's a fleet when you're in it and an evil blob when you're fighting it :p. If someone is actually going to quit because they think a certain balance change in the game isn't "fair", they're playing the wrong game. If you ever quit EVE, keep your stuff and your characters. You'll be back some day. Given the choice, 95% of players would want buffs for everything they use and nerfs for everything else. 95% of players should therefore never be put in the position of choosing game mechanic changes or design focus direction. Given a chance to change EVE for the better, most players would end up wrecking it. PvP is rarely 1v1 and game balance is not based on 1v1 combat. Plenty of the developers do read the forum, do pick up on player ideas and do implement good ones. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Nyphur better list than mine mind if I add it to the OP? _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Sergio Ling Originally by: Nyphur better list than mine mind if I add it to the OP? Yeah I assumed you would if you liked them. I say let people contribute and add the good ones to the list, it'd be handy to have a big list of observations old players have had about EVE to refer to. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Shakuul Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Sergio Ling Originally by: Nyphur better list than mine mind if I add it to the OP? Also make them nicely formatted like his were...maybe even put them into categories or something if this ever becomes a sticky.
Alice Voerman Defcon One	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:24:00 - [7] Originally by: Nyphur The terms "blob" and "fleet" are interchangeable. The only difference is that it's a fleet when you're in it and an evil blob when you're fighting it :p. Similarly, the terms "pvp" and "griefing" are interchangeable. The only difference is that it's pvp when you win, and it's griefing when you lose. -- To make an omelette, you gotta kill people.
Faife Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.23 03:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Alice Voerman Similarly, the terms "pvp" and "griefing" are interchangeable. The only difference is that it's pvp when you win, and it's griefing when you lose. oh man that one gets me. "props for bringing it" never means "good fight" always means "thanks for making the bad decision to engage, boy did we kick your ass"
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.23 03:48:00 - [9] Edited by: Akita T on 23/05/2008 03:50:02 There's always a bigger fleet. Solo capship equals dead capship. There will always be lag. __ And some from IN HERE. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
Talon Aidian Skill Level Six	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Talon Aidian on 23/05/2008 05:41:40 Edited by: Talon Aidian on 23/05/2008 05:41:18 Here are a few more for consideration: * Unless you know the person you are speaking to, you don't know for certain who you are speaking to. * A ship alone in nullsec most likely isn't. * The chances of your industrial ship arriving safely at its destination increase in direct proportion to the benefit to the escorting warship. * Taking a chance you can't afford to lose is a fast way to lose everything. * If something doesn't look right, don't wait around to find out what it is. * Don't trust anyone with a bigger ship than yours. * The time to have an escape plan is before you have to use it. * Any battle you walk away from is a good one. * If you want respect, you must give it yourself. * Honor is not a game mechanic.
Spaztick	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:43:00 - [11] Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Expect to lose what you fly eventually. When you lose a ship and think it's a big loss, it isn't. Use the search button or read the stickies on the forums. If you don't, people will be angry and you will have a harder time doing something than if you would've taken 15 seconds to look. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:28:00 - [12] Ran out of space in the OP, but feel free to keep adding stuff, this is a good list. _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:37:00 - [13] Never assume, always know. If you don't know then learn and find out.
GO MaZ Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:02:00 - [14] Edited by: GO MaZ on 23/05/2008 13:01:46 Originally by: Sergio Ling People are going to be mean to you on the forums. Hell, someone is gonna be mean to me in this very thread, guaranteed. It's ok, they don't really hate you, and it's just internets. I cant believe no-one has called you a giant raging homosexual****got yet
Stavros Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:02:00 - [15] It IS only a game -- OH GOD ENTITY KILLED MA SIGNATURES
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:02:00 - [16] Originally by: GO MaZ Edited by: GO MaZ on 23/05/2008 13:01:46 Originally by: Sergio Ling People are going to be mean to you on the forums. Hell, someone is gonna be mean to me in this very thread, guaranteed. It's ok, they don't really hate you, and it's just internets. I cant believe no-one has called you a giant raging homosexual****got yet HI MAZ ¼_¼ _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
Karanth Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:07:00 - [17] OP: Can I have your EVE-babies? Two thumbs up, and this should be stapled to every new players' skull for a month, or be in a big mail that you get sent, and can't delete for a month.
FooB2 KR0M	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:08:00 - [18] there will always be a monument to Stavros, and it will always be made of green and phallus. coming soon
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Karanth OP: Can I have your EVE-babies? Two thumbs up, and this should be stapled to every new players' skull for a month, or be in a big mail that you get sent, and can't delete for a month. sure, 200m. _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
Viglen Taurus Inc Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:20:00 - [20] Nobody cares if you, your seventeen friends, and all of your 36 accounts are quitting because 'x mechanic is broken'. The only people replying are those that want your stuff. Epic!!! If you spot a Wartarget at a gate with your alt, chances are that he is using an alt to watch your main
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:27:00 - [21] Always enjoy what you're currently doing in EVE fully. In the same way that you look fondly back at things you did a in years gone by, you'll be looking back on today some time in the future and realising they were good times. Sieze the day Don't restrict yourself in gameplay too much because some day you'll be bored of EVE and wondering "what if I had gone pirate back then?" Pirates are not "the baddies" and antipirates are not "the good guys". There's no black and white in EVE politics, only shades of gray. It's alright to gank a few haulers now and then (it's excellent stress relief ). Oveur loves his beer. Jita doesn't lag because the server needs upgraded, it lags because we pile into it until it lags. When the server was last upgraded, jita's peak population shot from 400 to 700 and although the lag was just as bad at the new peak of 700, the carrying capacity was a huge improvement. In a similar vein, fleet battles don't lag because the server needs upgraded or the code is buggy. They lag because it's always better to have more pilots and both sides keep adding pilots until it lags. Everyone has alts. If someone tells you they have no alts, they're lying. Nobody leaves their extra two character slots empty for long. You don't have to hate WoW to love EVE. I play both currently, they're completely different games and don't overlap in any reasonable sense. When it comes down to it, CCP do know what they're doing. EVE has stood the test of time with tremendous grace. The sky is not falling and everyone will not quit after <insert patch name here> comes out. Despite a lot of players ***ing on the forums about CCP decisions and GM rulings, they get things absolutely right most of the time. Evidence to the contrary (such as forum posts) are prone to confirmation bias. That means we only really notice when things go wrong and don't notice the 99% of the time when things go right. This means observation is not a reliable way of judging the ratio of successes to failures. For every bug in a patch, a hundred bugs were found and fixed before release. Given any piece of information, the playerbase will always assume the worst case scenario and go into hysterics (something that I ashamedly have been engaging in a lot lately. Sorry Wrangler, Eris etc. :S) Real life analogies have their place in EVE but that place is NOT in game design or game balance. Solving the lag issues and "simple" bugs in EVE is not as simple as it may seem. As a programmer, I know this one first-hand. The developers that work on content cannot be employed to fix bugs. You don't want the artists and designers touching the code. Oveur loves** his beer. A game that doesn't expand goes stale and uninteresting. Regular large expansions with a lot of changes may not always be easy for some players to accept and adapt to but it's a successful business strategy. What's good for you isn't necessarily good for the game. I'll probably think up some more later, this is actually quite nice. It's like a way for us to pass our accumulated wisdom on to other players. I'd like to see some older players adding to the list. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Sidrat Flush Life is Experience Black Core Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:39:00 - [22] New characters will never know how easy they've got it. Complete the tutorials, it's well worth it. PvP's will always complain about the industrialists and vice versa. There's no exceptions and no real way to compromise. Short of trying to do a little bit of what you may not enjoy there's no real hope without the use of alts and lots of them. Warp to Zero has been a great thing young grasshopper, before that we had to crawl 15km and get one shot killed by a sniper sitting on a gate out of the range of the turrets. Never use an industrial ship to transport blueprints. EVER. Target painting is a useful skill to train. I'm sure there's a lot more. Life is about memories the more the better. http://lifeisexperience.freeforums.org (because it's a small corp)
tacitorus	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:58:00 - [23] Edited by: tacitorus on 23/05/2008 14:06:10 Bring a friend, the oppostion may primary them instead of you Learning skills are useful but don't let them prevent you getting the fun stuff first. Assume everything is a scam/trap/trick. There are nice friendly helpful people in eve, they just don't hang around in noob systems. In ship fittings: If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid. In Eve anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing.
Mizz Wolf	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Mizz Wolf on 23/05/2008 14:03:47 Edited by: Mizz Wolf on 23/05/2008 14:03:01 Edited by: Mizz Wolf on 23/05/2008 14:02:03 If you are on a paying account learn all Learning skills you can afford to FIRST. You may hate it to start but it will pay off big in the long run. Never go AFK in an undocked ship you can't afford to lose while you are away. It may take a while but eventually a suicide gank squad will nail you, even in Jita. (This goes along with the very first reason but bears repeating). Have FUN! This is a game, a hobby, that's the whole point. If you aren't enjoying what you are doing now, go do something else, this isn't a job. EDITS: I PHAIL at forum formatting >.<
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Mizz Wolf If you are on a paying account learn all Learning skills you can afford to FIRST. You may hate it to start but it will pay off big in the long run. I disagree with this. As an older player who's gotten friends and family to sign up, I noted that training all the learning skills before anything else actually ruined their game experience and some quit later because of it. I think tacitorus said it best with: Originally by: tacitorus Learning skills are useful but don't let them prevent you getting the fun stuff first. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:10:00 - [26] Originally by: tacitorus Bring a friend, the oppostion may primary them instead of you Awesome _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
Grarr Dexx Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:21:00 - [27] "Hey dude, do you want to come with me? Maybe they'll kill you instead of me."
Drizit	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:27:00 - [28] Nothing happens quickly in Eve unless you attack a vet with a noob character. Online Time is the only Eve commodity that's always in short supply. If you can't wait until your basic support kills improve before flying that new BS, you're going to lose it fast. Time based training is what keeps the mature minded players in and the 23/7 level grinders out. -- Freighters need a tank
Mizz Wolf	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Mizz Wolf If you are on a paying account learn all Learning skills you can afford to FIRST. You may hate it to start but it will pay off big in the long run. I disagree with this. As an older player who's gotten friends and family to sign up, I noted that training all the learning skills before anything else actually ruined their game experience and some quit later because of it. I think tacitorus said it best with: Originally by: tacitorus Learning skills are useful but don't let them prevent you getting the fun stuff first. Fixed :) TBH, while I know it's true, and sound advice to train them all first, I don't follow it myself, hehe.
Auron Shadowbane Pelennor Swarm Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Auron Shadowbane on 23/05/2008 15:23:53 * If your outgunned and outnumbered target is fighting back on you chances are high you are going to loose your whole fleet to a blob twice as big. * If you are outgunned, outnumbered and dont have a chance to flee dont die silently. Engage the enemy cause they might think of the above tip and run away... (yeah goddamn it has worked many times for me :D ) * If you fly alone in nullsec fitting a cyno-field to a spare high slot as well as ozone for one cycle might save you from a squad of wannabees once in a while.
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:08:00 - [31] This goes to a perma link on my EVE FAV thread list. THIS thread must also BE GLUED. Fact is, all of the points explained in here are a real assimilation of the reality within the game. Noobs should read this when they first login to the game and read it after logging out. Can I ask for "PERMA GLUE this thread plz?" Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.24 01:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Brujo Loco This goes to a perma link on my EVE FAV thread list. THIS thread must also BE GLUED. Fact is, all of the points explained in here are a real assimilation of the reality within the game. Noobs should read this when they first login to the game and read it after logging out. Can I ask for "PERMA GLUE this thread plz?" Glue would be nice. I think the thread fits in with the "10 Must Do Things In EVE" thread that's currently stickied up there. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:00:00 - [33] Edited by: Apoctasy on 24/05/2008 02:01:45 If you lose a ship or get podded, it's your fault and yours only. When entering lowsec/0.0, accept the fact that you are already dead. That way when it does happen, you will whine less.
Khatred ReallyPissedOff Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:06:00 - [34] There is always somebody with a bigger wallet than yours. The times spent thinking and arguing how to nerf said wallet only makes the gap bigger.
Schani Kratnorr x13	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:08:00 - [35] Good thread. Can a Moderator please sticky?
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:18:00 - [36] We need a new thread so that OP can put all suggestions on the first page
Sergio Ling Veto.	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Apoctasy We need a new thread so that OP can put all suggestions on the first page then I can do that cool thing where I reserve the first few posts. that's the coolest ¼_¼ _ BET ISK ON ANYTHING AT ALL
mcSpeedfreak Draconis Cooperation Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Sidrat Flush New characters will never know how easy they've got it. Complete the tutorials, it's well worth it. PvP's will always complain about the industrialists and vice versa. There's no exceptions and no real way to compromise. Short of trying to do a little bit of what you may not enjoy there's no real hope without the use of alts and lots of them. Warp to Zero has been a great thing young grasshopper, before that we had to crawl 15km and get one shot killed by a sniper sitting on a gate out of the range of the turrets. Never use an industrial ship to transport blueprints. EVER. Target painting is a useful skill to train. I'm sure there's a lot more. WORD! HELP my monitor isnt working is it turned on? Yes.. ok can you turn it off? Oh thanks .. that did it.. - based on a true story
Soporo	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:10:00 - [39] Edited by: Soporo on 24/05/2008 16:10:36 Quote: The chances of your industrial ship arriving safely at its destination increase in direct proportion to the benefit to the escorting warship. Usually completely wrong. There is no "defense", there is nothing stopping someone from popping a Hauler regardless of how badass an escort he has. More like: The chances of your industrial ship arriving at its destination is directly related to how many scout-alts and spies you have.

CCP Dionysus	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:16:00 - [40] LMAO!!!! Awesome points. Some are painful, but all to true * Everything in Eve is PvP - Mining, market, invention - in all things you are competing with other players, and anything can be a reason to escalate to pew pew. * Anything can be a reason to wardec - if someone doesn't like your ship-name, expect a wardec in the mail shortly.

Shadow Joy	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:21:00 - [41] Edited by: Shadow Joy on 24/05/2008 16:22:08 Not every piece of new content is designed for you. If you forget to update your clone, getting podded is extra painful. Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, then to whine on the forums and remove all doubt.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Alice Voerman Similarly, the terms "pvp" and "griefing" are interchangeable. The only difference is that it's pvp when you win, and it's griefing when you lose. Only when the term griefing is used incorrectly. * The term Griefing is used incorrectly 99% of the time. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
Fredior Khan'Sebies Mikramurka Solace	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:44:00 - [43] You can do anything in Eve, you just can't do everything. Unless you get alt accounts and lots of skillpoints under your belt.
NeoNeTiC Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:45:00 - [44] This is an excellent OP Sergio Ling. But if feels to me as if you broke century old traditions of a secret society with it. I hope people won't absorb the truth and wisdom you're giving away here; I might get scared if they stop behaving the way they do because they don't know better - or don't want to know better. Imagine no OOC-smack. Imagine no mindless flaming on the forums, no one being a smart-ass trying to dictate how you "do it the right way", no whining, no one trying to force you into respecting them. The horror, it's unimaginable! It could be a nice game experience for sure - but it'd not be what I've grown attached to over all these years. I guess that's just me, oh well. Enjoy becoming a better person, NeoNeTiC [MORTS]-Guardian of Stupid Traditions
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:58:00 - [45] Originally by: Sergio Ling There's no such thing as a fair fight. Someone always loses. one of my favorite words of advice as a kid. You're doing it wrong.
Derek 1337	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:35:00 - [46] Yeah, this is pretty good :D
Bruja Negra	Posted - 2008.06.05 18:33:00 - [47] I just hope a lot of people see this post, wich I find totally marvelous and would help new players adapt early to the game, so we could see less whineage in general ... then again I can only hope and dream so much
Sarin Adler	Posted - 2008.06.05 19:48:00 - [48] Wise stuff, sticky maybe?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.06.05 20:05:00 - [49] Only few people know about Derek. High Sierra is one of them.
Straight Chillen Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.06.05 20:22:00 - [50] A truth for the forums here, At some point during this week there will be a wtfigotpwndbyHICTORinpod im quiting thread. The Next post in the thread wil be, "Your stuffs, Can i have them." Never under any circumstances expect any sympathy or a pat on the back and "everything will be ok" in EVE esp. the forums Their stuffs, they never give them
Axle skye	Posted - 2008.06.05 21:08:00 - [51] In honor of the impending expansion: The day before the patch goes live, set a really really really long skill, just in case. The day of downtime is a good chance to go get food, or clean the house, or see if you pets are still alive, just in case. The day after the patch goes live, don't jump into your billioniskblingmachine, just in case. This post was made with entirely recycled electrons
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.06.05 21:14:00 - [52] Originally by: Sergio Ling This is CCP's game... If they say no, a hissy fit won't work, and it's STILL their game. Maybe you should think about your options. Yes they do. Remember the 'Carrier Nerf' idea CCP "postponed implementing" and then never mentioned again? That was due to a mass Nerd Rage 'Hissy Fit' "im lea ving with my 17 accounts" Mega Thread. CCP have shown a lack of backbone many times before. And will do again. SKUNK
Arvald The Ninjapirates	Posted - 2008.06.05 21:17:00 - [53] just because you have the skill to fly a ship, does not mean you have the ability to fly a ship Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
Dr Slaughter Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.05 21:57:00 - [54] Can't help myself. Sorry. compeNdium and to add to this excellent thread; Posting on forums always attracts pedantic analysis of your grammar and spelling, from at least one person who subsequently make the same mistakes when replying. Rabies is unexpected ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ dealing with the UNDERPANTS of eve since 2004
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.05 22:21:00 - [55] Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 05/06/2008 22:25:06 "Play nice while you butcher each other" Eve supports a wide variety of play styles. Depth ftw. Without this depth and variety, Eve would die. Eve is not Simcity, nor is it Counterstrike. Play nice while you butcher each other.

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