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Mirrodin
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
7
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:38:00 -
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Greetings Spacefriends,
Am I important? No. Do my votes necessarily matter? No. Can I stand Goonwaffe? Not in the slightest.
Do I appreciate what The Mittani did for CSM6 (and the CSM as a whole)? Absolutely.
I am not a goon, nor have I ever been one. My alt (Elisriel) is just that, a simple hauler alt. I'm a 8 year (only 2-3 active) character.
I say this for transparency and for people to realize there ARE voters out there that aren't goons, and understand what The Mittani did for EVE, and what he can continue to do. I am one of them. Yes, I was CFC (FCON) for a long time, that does not influence my decision.
For those of you crying "He is chairman because he leads the largest alliance"
It's just not true. I believe in what he has to say, and what he can do. I don't like him or his corporation of idiotic trolls, but I appreciate what he does for my Spaceships.
-Mirrodin |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5643
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:40:00 -
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The denizens of Jita Park - mostly bitter npc forum alts - are constantly doing a disservice to my consituents by claiming that my supporters are all from Goonswarm.
In CSM6, only 1750 of my 5365 votes came from GSF.
But I'm happy to see other candidates dismiss my supporters as 'sheep' - it just inspires them more. The other contenders may not value them, but I do. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:20:00 -
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Not a Goon (heck, barely have the training wheels off in this game) but been following the goings-on in EVE for quite a while, FWIW the changes put in this year rekindled my interest to break down and cough up the moolah to start out in the universe, so not familiar with the cults of personality or the players beyond name recognition so that doesnt influence my decision.
Throw roses at him, or throw rocks at him (or railgun rounds, missiles, lasers, blaster bolts, cream pies, launched cows, etc.) The MIttani does get results and does get things done.
So, then.
Make Mine Mittani
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Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:43:00 -
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I'm from the Center for Advanced Studies and The Mittani is my favorite candidate in the CSM7 election. Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |

Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:05:00 -
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If I wasn't giving Hans all my votes, Trebor, Seleene and Mittens would have had one a piece. I alternately find The Mittani funny and sometimes trollish on the forums but when it comes to the work of the CSM he is one of the members who I am sure takes it seriously and works effectively for the player base at large. |

Heathkit
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:10:00 -
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Kethry Avenger wrote:If I wasn't giving Hans all my votes, Trebor, Seleene and Mittens would have had one a piece. I alternately find The Mittani funny and sometimes trollish on the forums but when it comes to the work of the CSM he is one of the members who I am sure takes it seriously and works effectively for the player base at large.
Aw, c'mon. You couldn't spare one vote for Mittani? |

Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:22:00 -
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Kethry Avenger wrote:If I wasn't giving Hans all my votes, Trebor, Seleene and Mittens would have had one a piece. I alternately find The Mittani funny and sometimes trollish on the forums but when it comes to the work of the CSM he is one of the members who I am sure takes it seriously and works effectively for the player base at large.
Agree with this.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |

Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
5
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:24:00 -
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Heathkit wrote:Kethry Avenger wrote:If I wasn't giving Hans all my votes, Trebor, Seleene and Mittens would have had one a piece. I alternately find The Mittani funny and sometimes trollish on the forums but when it comes to the work of the CSM he is one of the members who I am sure takes it seriously and works effectively for the player base at large. Aw, c'mon. You couldn't spare one vote for Mittani?
No both The Mittani, and Trebor, made strong arguments for voting for Hans since he most represents the issues that effect me directly. Pretty sure he got one of my votes last year but I honestly can't remember who exactly I voted for last time. |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:32:00 -
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I'm from the School of applied knowldege and won't be voting for Mittens.
I could have considerd him as a legitimate voting option until I spent very little time reviewing the candidacy details and some of the issues. It soon became apparently clear the arrogance and selfish idiocy that Mittens represents.
It is also largely no suprise the lengths of manipulation Mittens will go to to scramble for votes. Nor I imagine is the idea that alts posting in favour of Mittens to eek out support he needs:
Andski wrote:and our vast network of alts that apparently consists of everyone that posts with their mains
The Mittani wrote:I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard
There's also useful tools like vote match to help you examine all the candidates aswell as viewing opinions and issues in the forum in an informed way of course. |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:35:00 -
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I have to admit it would be a cruel but hilarious prank to make Mittens the chair of a CSM consisting of Xenuria, Riverini, Issler Dainze, Fon Revedhort and a few other whackjobs.
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
228
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:38:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote:words words words Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of nobody caring what some NPC corp forum alt thinks.
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Mirrodin
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
12
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:38:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote:I'm from the School of applied knowldege and won't be voting for Mittens. I could have considerd him as a legitimate voting option until I spent very little time reviewing the candidacy details and some of the issues. It soon became apparently clear the arrogance and selfish idiocy that Mittens represents. It is also largely no suprise the lengths of manipulation Mittens will go to to scramble for votes. Nor I imagine is the idea that alts posting in favour of Mittens to eek out support he needs: Andski wrote:and our vast network of alts that apparently consists of everyone that posts with their mains The Mittani wrote:I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard There's also useful tools like [some terrible tool] to help you examine all the candidates aswell as viewing opinions and issues in the forum in an informed way of course.
Do a background check on me. I'm both active and a main, with no link to other alts aside from Elisriel. I am no alt. |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:42:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:In CSM6, only 1750 of my 5365 votes came from GSF.
Representing something less than 2.5% of the actual playerbase.
Hardly suprsing he's desperate for votes.
Since it's clear any support for a mandate he wants is pretty weak with those figures.
Should apathy in voting turn around to the extent of voting against his platform he could easily lose his chairmanship, maybe even his seat. |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:42:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote:words words words Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of nobody caring what some NPC corp forum alt thinks.
Sorry your not making sense, your an atypical Goon troll. |

Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:46:00 -
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Proof enough that the Phyrexian corruption is far deeper than we all knew... |

Win Sui
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.07 04:56:00 -
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Arkady Vachon wrote:
Make Mine Mittani
And by their words you shall know them. |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:15:00 -
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Mirrodin wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote:I'm from the School of applied knowldege and won't be voting for Mittens. I could have considerd him as a legitimate voting option until I spent very little time reviewing the candidacy details and some of the issues. It soon became apparently clear the arrogance and selfish idiocy that Mittens represents. It is also largely no suprise the lengths of manipulation Mittens will go to to scramble for votes. Nor I imagine is the idea that alts posting in favour of Mittens to eek out support he needs: Andski wrote:and our vast network of alts that apparently consists of everyone that posts with their mains The Mittani wrote:I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard There's also useful tools like [some terrible tool] to help you examine all the candidates aswell as viewing opinions and issues in the forum in an informed way of course. Do a background check on me. I'm both active and a main, with no link to other alts aside from Elisriel. I am no alt.
I do not reject the plausability of people from outside of GSF voting for Mittens, that isn't my claim. I can't and won't explore evidence as to RL status of players and who owns what account etc. as the aspect of personal details is held in confindence by CCP and is not permitted to be posted. Nor do I have any real desire to investigate peoples personal details for EvE (it is a game after all).
My argument is simply presenting reasonable doubt based on GSF's own testimony as to the presence of corruption and manipulation through propoganda methods. As such it should not be viewed as a personal attack on you Mirrodin. Also you are perfectly entitled to vote for who you wish.
Mirrodin wrote:I am not a goon, nor have I ever been one. My alt (Elisriel) is just that, a simple hauler alt. I'm a 8 year (only 2-3 active) character.
I say this for transparency and for people to realize there ARE voters out there that aren't goons, and understand what The Mittani did for EVE, and what he can continue to do. I am one of them. Yes, I was CFC (FCON) for a long time, that does not influence my decision.
My post is merely addressing the issues surrounding your justifications as how you are supporting your voting reasons as to be important due to not being directly associated/affiliated with GSF. So as a result my argument represents a plausible viewpoint why lack of affiliation may not necessarily be judged as credible. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1767
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:25:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote:Sorry your not making sense, your an atypical Goon troll.
You don't know the difference between your and you're and you have the nerve to complain about somebody else not making sense?
Also, atypical doesn't mean what you think it means. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Rei Seiji
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
17
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:28:00 -
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So how does the Mittani kool aid taste? I voted for Hans, and he offered way better kool aid than what your Mittens offers. |

Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:28:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote:Sorry your not making sense, your an atypical Goon troll. You don't know the difference between your and you're and you have the nerve to complain about somebody else not making sense? Also, atypical doesn't mean what you think it means.
Thanks for spotting the typo, now corrected. |

Mirrodin
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
13
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:19:00 -
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Rei Seiji wrote:So how does the Mittani kool aid taste? I voted for Hans, and he offered way better kool aid than what your Mittens offers.
Hans is clearly a frontrunner for the FW crowd. I'm not interested in a broken "feature". I hope he gets a seat and brings some perspective to CCP in regards to FW, but it's not a part of the game that interests me. |

Stryden Kaane
Order of the Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:42:00 -
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IsnGÇÖt this the same guy who says he doesn't represent the players? He only represents his "constituents." So if you all arenGÇÖt Mittani born, I am pretty sure you donGÇÖt make his list of GÇ£care.GÇ¥
IsnGÇÖt this the same guy who uses his position as a CSM to lull people into trusting him long enough to rob them of their ships and then brag about it in Podcasts? ItGÇÖs Eve after all. He can use his position in any way he pleases and its GǪ just ok. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20988 -- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32005
He claims to have pulled the CSM together, seemingly all by himself. I am pretty sure the CSM has a few more members working just as hard.
Maybe you all should get out more. Learn a bit about the true character of these individuals who claim to care about the continued success of Eve and its players.
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Mirrodin
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
13
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:25:00 -
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Who he plays in game (a self proclaimed villain) does not apply to who he is as an advocate of the overall playerbase for a better, more dynamic game. |

Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
10
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:39:00 -
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I'm Commander Shepard and The Mittani is my favorite store on the Citadel. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
637
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:24:00 -
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umadbroomg     |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
637
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:26:00 -
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Stryden Kaane wrote:IsnGÇÖt this the same guy who says he doesn't represent the players? He only represents his "constituents." So if you all arenGÇÖt Mittani born, I am pretty sure you donGÇÖt make his list of GÇ£care.GÇ¥ IsnGÇÖt this the same guy who uses his position as a CSM to lull people into trusting him long enough to rob them of their ships and then brag about it in Podcasts? ItGÇÖs Eve after all. He can use his position in any way he pleases and its GǪ just ok. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20988 -- https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32005He claims to have pulled the CSM together, seemingly all by himself. I am pretty sure the CSM has a few more members working just as hard. Maybe you all should get out more. Learn a bit about the true character of these individuals who claim to care about the continued success of Eve and its players.
And it's the same guy that said that Monoclegate was/is a "nonsens" and it's all on tape on that video he was from CCP |

knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
49
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:49:00 -
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Mittani and Hanz 1 each! |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5660
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:26:00 -
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The replies to this thread are a perfect example of the hypocritical and dismissive attitude that the bottom-feeders of Jita Park have towards the majority of my constituents - those not associated with Goonswarm in any way. They howl about 'bloc votes' and decry me, yet god forbid someone exercise an independent choice that they disagree with. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2570
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:52:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote:
Thanks for spotting the errors, now corrected.
sorry it still looks like you've made posts in this thread so you didn't correct all the errors |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3127
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:58:00 -
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Delici Feelgood wrote:The Mittani wrote:In CSM6, only 1750 of my 5365 votes came from GSF. Representing something less than 2.5% of the actual playerbase. Hardly suprsing he's desperate for votes. Since it's clear any support for a mandate he wants is pretty weak with those figures. Should apathy in voting turn around to the extent of voting against his platform he could easily lose his chairmanship, maybe even his seat.
And yet you seem to feel that making ineffectual (or even counterproductive) posts whining about him is the best course of action, rather than to get out there and campaign on behalf of a candidate you prefer to mittens. Useless slactivism like yours handed Goons 2 CSM seats last year, and yet here you are, repeating the same tactics of meaningless, boring whines, rather than using the tools available to you. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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