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Ki An Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:18:00 - [61] Edited by: Ki An on 25/05/2008 07:20:39 Originally by: Gnulpie That is getting funnier and funnier. Now BoB is also complaining about using game mechanics to their full extend? Pos bowling for example, anyone? 'It is possible and unless it is not declared an exploit we will use it'. So, either CCP says using wardecs this way is an exploit and then no one can use it. Or CCP says nothing (but changes it in the next patch) and then everyone should shut up. The ONLY way to improve the game is to use these mechanics so that the devs can think over it if they wanted it this way or not and then act. Again I say: bravo! Shut up, Gnulpie. This should be an exploit no matter who does it to whom. Stupidity like yours is ruining the game. It is also a pretty desperate tactic from someone claiming to be 'winning' the war. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Moe Sczyzlak Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:22:00 - [62] Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 25/05/2008 07:08:33 Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Antithysis Disgusting exploit of game mechanics, E-Uni. Your neutrality is now a pile of shattered glass on the floor. I hope whoever put this idea in motion gets banned or expelled from EVE-Uni. Disgraceful. -Anti Oh no!! They are using game mechanics to their favour!! Cheaters!! Cry to the devs!! Whine on the forums!! What about for example abusing insurance payout for suicide killing freighters? Isn't that an abuse also? Oh wait .. that is legite game mechanics - because it works in your favour? LOL There is a extreamly low cost way that any alliance can effectivly make itself immune to wardecs for a few dozen mil and a bunch of disposible freshly made noobalts as shown in post 56. Even if its not privateers today, it will be some isk farmer alliance tommorow who does it. And lets be honest here, ignoring priviateers, only the wardecee pays billions while the people protecting themselves by using this wardec mechanic pay basically nothing. It is a exploit though not a declared one. Did you see waratron complaining? Looks to me like he was just EXplaining.
Fofalus Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:37:00 - [63] Edited by: Fofalus on 25/05/2008 07:37:30 wrong char
Stevens Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:40:00 - [64] Privateers were never really abusing the system either. They were just declaring a lot of wars. Now IVY is using it to protect themselves from wars which is clearly not the intent of it.
Hawlin Formony	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:50:00 - [65] All the nerd rage flying around is this topic is pretty funny IMO. OH NOES Abuse of Game Mechanics !!!11111Elventeen!!!! Completely Dishonorable Behavior!!!!!! Internet spaceships are serious business LMAO
Ki An Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:54:00 - [66] Originally by: Hawlin Formony All the nerd rage flying around is this topic is pretty funny IMO. OH NOES Abuse of Game Mechanics !!!11111Elventeen!!!! Completely Dishonorable Behavior!!!!!! Internet spaceships are serious business LMAO Nerd spotted raging ITT. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Hawlin Formony	Posted - 2008.05.25 08:22:00 - [67] Hold on gimme a sec. I wanna RP... Yarrr, Ima dirty pirate and I wanna board yer mizzenmast. Aw hell it don't work for me. Lemme try this... I R HARDCORE PVP'ER /me waves e-peen around PVP IS SRS BIZNESS CAREBEARS GTFO i am mighty in a spaceship MMO!!!!! lol
X3k5 Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.05.25 08:27:00 - [68] Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 08:28:35 As much as I support the University, this tactic eventually has to be exclaimed an exploit. What is an exploit? Its basically playing the game the way it was not intended. When CCP invented the war declaration system, they did not intend for this to happen. If people stop thinking from their emotions, perhaps they will realise the truth. And Ki An, your "Shut up ..", "Stupidity like yours is ruining the game." isnt helping so perhaps if you could keep that to a low? Originally by: Ki An It is also a pretty desperate tactic from someone claiming to be 'winning' the war. I think the killboard speaks for itself as to who's winning the war. I know its a desperate tactic but I think they are doing it for the good of the people. If you have forgotten, Eve Uni is a selfless corp that helps newer pilots. And as of right now they are not learning much and I imagine by now they are probably tired of war too. And the other newer pilots who wish to learn have nowhere as good to go. Originally by: R1ck James Pretty obvious that Ivy is not teaching anything worthwhile. ECM frig blobs are not "fleet warfare", and this is just ridiculous. Leave the training to the tutorial and other corps that cater to new players. The so-called instructors seem better suited to wtfbbqpwning NPC's and aweing new players in lvl 4's with their maxed Nighthawk/Golem/CNR's. SP and time in game mean nothing if you're an idiot, but apparently you can go teach at Eve Uni. My, my, my, Mr R1ck James, you certainly seem very abhorrent of the Uni. Perhaps you got podded by them? Or got kicked from the uni perhaps? or maybe you are just a Privateer Alt? Anyways, who am I to make that judgement. You have your opinion and I have mine. And In my opinion, the players in the uni and the ones who have passed out, the majority are quite happy and do learn a lot. As for your teaching comment, why dont you join up and teach. You perfectly fit your description
Jelena Jinx Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.05.25 09:25:00 - [69] this is bit stupid... ivy dont dare fight anymore. so they get FOOM to dec on Privs. that dont work so they cheat their way to get out of the dec :P say what u want about privs.. but when some farmer alliance starts using this... it will get alot worse. noone should be immune to war decs by driving the price up whit alts. thats a exploit
Tommy Foofoo Molden Heath Gentlemen's Society	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:06:00 - [70] Neutrality - I don't see how this would affect that when IVY are doing it to try and end a war that was declared against them, with, as the Privs said, "no reason, just because I could". Ransom - As a frequent consumer of forum drama, I've heard the demand made public before now, so there would have been nothing "under the table" about it. IIRC, last time, it was 2 billion "and a BPO of our choice". Demanded publicly, on the forum, where every griefer in Eve could see it and check whether the war ended soon afterwards. Exploit? - CCP must have seen this coming when they created the current dec mechanics. Then again, they must have seen iMune and Privateers Mk. I coming, too, so let's leave that in their, slightly shaky and perhaps a little drunk, hands. Drama and Nerd-Rage - Who would have guessed that an empire war could yield drama llamas with such shiny coats and tender meat? In 1970, the great Edwin Starr posed the question, "War! Huh! What is it good for?" - a question that has gone unanswered until now. The answer is, quite clearly, "This thread". More please!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:09:00 - [71] It's pretty obvious that the wardec system needs a complete overhaul. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Moe Sczyzlak Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:16:00 - [72] Originally by: Hawlin Formony Hold on gimme a sec. I wanna RP... Yarrr, Ima dirty pirate and I wanna board yer mizzenmast. Aw hell it don't work for me. Lemme try this... I R HARDCORE PVP'ER /me waves e-peen around PVP IS SRS BIZNESS CAREBEARS GTFO i am mighty in a spaceship MMO!!!!! lol It's good to know there are people like you around to balance the nerd-rage with your well thought-through and balanced posts, moving the debate forward without resorting to childish namecalling and other cheap tricks. If more people were like you this would be a better game.
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:24:00 - [73] I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated. Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source: I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League. Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all. The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve. Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK. Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations. There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way. The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design. Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics. This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time. As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here. Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free. -- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY> _____
Faekurias Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:25:00 - [74] Originally by: Gnulpie POAST I think you missed the point /didn't read his post. But for parts of the bobbits post I agree, Immune ISKFARMERS do not want. Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected]
Ki An Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:36:00 - [75] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated. Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source: I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League. Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all. The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve. Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK. Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations. There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way. The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design. Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics. This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time. As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here. Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free. -- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY> Why are you cheating like this if you are winning the war? You know, there are other ways to dissuade the Privateers from their "holy crusade" that involves actually playing the game as intended as opposed to pulling lame stunts like this. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Hawlin Formony	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:41:00 - [76] Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak It's good to know there are people like you around to balance the nerd-rage with your well thought-through and balanced posts, moving the debate forward without resorting to childish namecalling and other cheap tricks. If more people were like you this would be a better game. STFU The day this topic, or any topic on CAOD becomes about balance and game mechanics, will be the day angry nerds stop playing. This isn't even about politics, although some players pretend. This is about E-Peen waving, and nothing else. With all the s**t talking going on, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it all is. This game is awesome, it's just a damn shame some of it's players are so insignificant. (Irony LOL)
Raffael Ramirez Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:45:00 - [77] Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesn¦t matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there won¦t be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim. If you are winning the war as you say , why don¦t you make it mutual as your players seem to learn from every engagement ? You are not learning them PvP as you intend to you are learning them avoiding fights at all costs. My corp often brought reasonable fleets to your homesystem gave you time to scout and refit all your ships and still no one showed up. The 40 man blob fleets with loads of EW that we dismantle on a regular basis aren¦t the stuff you should teach. Of corse you feel safe in large fleets but thats how 0.0 developed into goonies playground . That makes you a valid target because you are making the next generation of brainless sheep that only do what they are told and never ever take on a fight that is not 10:1- ruines the game really. And really you are all making it worse. Don¦t know what who when the war started but now you got even more pirate wannabes with fat wallets on your behind. Personally i am not into management and i damn sure don¦t want to do anything within the privateers alliance apart from having fun so stop pretending you are soo poor so its allright to evade. You have the numbers you even have tec II ships so start teaching them small scale battles and give us a challenge.
Raffael Ramirez Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:46:00 - [78] Originally by: Hawlin Formony Originally by: Moe Sczyzlak It's good to know there are people like you around to balance the nerd-rage with your well thought-through and balanced posts, moving the debate forward without resorting to childish namecalling and other cheap tricks. If more people were like you this would be a better game. STFU The day this topic, or any topic on CAOD becomes about balance and game mechanics, will be the day angry nerds stop playing. This isn't even about politics, although some players pretend. This is about E-Peen waving, and nothing else. With all the s**t talking going on, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it all is. This game is awesome, it's just a damn shame some of it's players are so insignificant. (Irony LOL) alt rage ?
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:46:00 - [79] Originally by: Ki An Why are you cheating like this if you are winning the war? You know, there are other ways to dissuade the Privateers from their "holy crusade" that involves actually playing the game as intended as opposed to pulling lame stunts like this. Well, as I explained, I don't see it as cheating, personally. There are no unusual mechanics being used, but together, they have an interesting result. However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across. -- Kelduum
Raffael Ramirez Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:48:00 - [80] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Originally by: Ki An Why are you cheating like this if you are winning the war? You know, there are other ways to dissuade the Privateers from their "holy crusade" that involves actually playing the game as intended as opposed to pulling lame stunts like this. Well, as I explained, I don't see it as cheating, personally. There are no unusual mechanics being used, but together, they have an interesting result. However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across. -- Kelduum And that message would be ?
Ki An Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:52:00 - [81] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Well, as I explained, I don't see it as cheating, personally. There are no unusual mechanics being used, but together, they have an interesting result. The only thing interesting about the result is that it hasn't been declared an exploit already. It's a sad consequence of the "alliance P" nerf, and should have been fixed back then. I still have faith in CCP, and I am certain they will fix it now, as rich carebears like you shouldn't get a free pass out of wardecs. Originally by: Kelduum Revaan However, there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across. I think the message would be clearer if you actually tried killing them some more. As it is now, with your e-war blobs, you're just making Privateers want to kill you more. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
gavhriel Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.25 11:32:00 - [82] the fix for this is actually simple...knowing that isk can be made so easily in this game and 1 char can easily make hundreds of millions isk in a day....a war should be a lot more expensive (wars are serious buisness). - hundreds of millions for a corp war - billions for an alliance war Why should you be able to bribe Concord so easily to grief some noobs in high sec for the price of one battleship ? :)
Frayen Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 11:41:00 - [83] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan ...there comes a time that after saying "Bad Dog!" for seven weeks, and the message not getting through, you just need to rub his nose in it to get the message across. Kelduum Me! I am the "Bad Dog!" he is talking about! WOOHOO, I AM FAMOUS!!!!11!!1!!1!!oneoneeleventyone!!111 amidoingthisrite? probably not. So you got desperate basically and now have to manipulate game mechanics, and all the whiney little nobodies in CAOD will only flame either side and none of it matters. I smell something in this thread, and it smells like fear and desperation....comming from Kelduum. Yep, this tactic sure confirms Privs are losing the war. Originally by: Zealota FrayenÆs insults infuriate me, players should not be allowed to get away with this grotesque language. I am calmed by the fact you have an impending ban.
Tormenta Noche Tormenta Noche Industries	Posted - 2008.05.25 11:41:00 - [84] /me sends truck load of tissues & diapers to Priva-tears HQ. Let's just recap, shall we? - Priva-tears war dec's Ivy on BC Hastings' whim. According to him, that's the only reason and I've never seen BC be untruthful about such a big thing. So any other explanation about the origin of the war is moot. - Priva-tears makes a public extortion demand that they know will not be honored. - Ivy proceeds to prosecute the war exactly as they do every war, with large, EW heavy fleets, accepting unfavorable ship exchange rates for isk advantage. Since Priva-tear's has no killboard and even when they had one, management didn't care if losses were posted at all, Ivy's killboard becomes the only resource available for outsiders to examine. - Priva-tears continues to re-dec Ivy for seven weeks straight, disrupting Ivy's mission of training new pilots in all professions (not just PvP) that move on to participate in many corps and alliances in Eve. There are even Ivy alumni inside Priva-tears now. - Ivy researches, discovers and confirms an intended game mechanic that should encourage Priva-tears into letting the war go and allowing Ivy to return to its stated mission. - Ivy employs said game mechanic. - Priva-tears runs to CAOD" "Ivy don't play the way we want them to so we can kill them! They have to let us kill them or they are ruining the game for us! This is not fair!" Say what you want about Le Skunk, but this level of infantile behavior was not the trademark of his term. Playground bullies are eventually seen for who and what they are. Tormenta Noche "It's all just a bad dream..."
Rakshasa Taisab Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.05.25 11:43:00 - [85] Originally by: Raffael Ramirez Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesn¦t matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there won¦t be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim. ... From what I've seen this still allows alliance wars at reasonable prices. It does however make alliance-corp wars potentially very expensive for the aggressor. Question is, should that be so or not? CCP will decide i guess. --- Author of rTorrent, the BitTorrent client for real men and mice.
Raffael Ramirez Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 11:55:00 - [86] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: Raffael Ramirez Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesn¦t matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there won¦t be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim. Question is, should that be so or not? CCP will decide i guess. Amen to that
Profhet Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 11:59:00 - [87] Edited by: Profhet on 25/05/2008 11:59:13 Please say Priva-tears a billion more times, it matters. It's funny every time I do a show info on an Ivy pilot, its always an instructor apparently. Can't have it both ways, either our war dec is unacceptable and hurting Eve in general or it's an opportunity for your students. Frankly its the most fun I've had the whole time I have been in Eve, and I lost 3 ships this week, but again, I like to undock rather than sit in station waiting, spinning my ship or maybe deciding the most graceful way to leave my alliance high and dry in Fountain. ____________________________ SIG GOES HERE
X3k5 Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:12:00 - [88] Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 12:14:26 Originally by: Profhet Can't have it both ways, either our war dec is unacceptable and hurting Eve in general or it's an opportunity for your students. Perhaps you've heard of wine? Good for circulation of blood in small quantities. BAD for your health in the long term if consumed in large doses. Privateers are a bit like that. Meaning you get Uni's blood pumping in the short term. But its bad for the Uni in the long term because it hurts the newer players.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:13:00 - [89] Privateers.... lol The alliance which decs claiming to want good fights, then retracts at the first sign of a T1 cruiser squad ;) ----------
Raffael Ramirez Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:24:00 - [90] Originally by: Butter Dog Privateers.... lol The alliance which decs claiming to want good fights, then retracts at the first sign of a T1 cruiser squad ;) Hehe nice thing about this alliance is that you can¦t throw them into one pot. Some are in for the ganks , some even only fly tec I frigs to get on the killmails/loot. But some and i admit not the major part are in for the fights. Simple reason: Privateers provides wars with multiple wartargets at reasonable costs. And as you can see on the forum most players have strong feelings so they actually hunt us , and by god thats the most fun if you don¦t have to look for them the whole day/night. As far as i know its intended to be that way every corp minds its own business only if they want they can join up mixed fleets.

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