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Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.05.25 17:31:00 - [121] Originally by: LuthienTinuviel Originally by: Raffael Ramirez Ivy league is pushing the limits as we did once and we got a "p-alliance" nerf doesn¦t matter if its within the mechanics or not. But we will see how that plays out if CCP allowes is in the long run there won¦t be any alliance wars. They could make you an NPC corp if you are so neutral as you always claim. If you are winning the war as you say , why don¦t you make it mutual as your players seem to learn from every engagement ? You are not learning them PvP as you intend to you are learning them avoiding fights at all costs. My corp often brought reasonable fleets to your homesystem gave you time to scout and refit all your ships and still no one showed up. The 40 man blob fleets with loads of EW that we dismantle on a regular basis aren¦t the stuff you should teach. Of corse you feel safe in large fleets but thats how 0.0 developed into goonies playground . That makes you a valid target because you are making the next generation of brainless sheep that only do what they are told and never ever take on a fight that is not 10:1- ruines the game really. And really you are all making it worse. Don¦t know what who when the war started but now you got even more pirate wannabes with fat wallets on your behind. Personally i am not into management and i damn sure don¦t want to do anything within the privateers alliance apart from having fun so stop pretending you are soo poor so its allright to evade. You have the numbers you even have tec II ships so start teaching them small scale battles and give us a challenge. They may be learning the pvp side of the game but last I checked that wasn't what Eve-U was about in it's entirety in fact I think your probably thinking more along the lines of Agony Unleashed if you have that view of Eve-U. The problem with this wardec for Eve-U I imagine is that while occasional pvp is good for training purposes having a constant pvp environment for weeks/months on end means that any non pvp side of the game does not get any attention so makes eve-U an one dimensinal entity... In regards to what the guy from Eve-U did I can't say I like it I dunno if I would class it in my mind as an exploit however I do feel and have felt for a long time the war dec system is completely broken (both for defenders as well as agressors) so if anything good comes of this hopefully the Devs will took a proper look at the war dec system and finally make it so it works. One thing that is horribly broken about war mechanics is that an entity can declare war against an alliance and never show their faces in their territory. It's a war, after all, shouldn't there be a requirement that it be, uh, FOUGHT? The agressor (declarer) should at least have to make an occasional appearance in the sov systems of the declaree to keep a war valid, or at the very least, the cost should rise exponentially for each week in which they DONT.
Crimsonjade B.D.S.M. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 17:41:00 - [122] Originally by: Jakke Logan Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 16:33:06 There is no real crying here boys and girls. It is the whole inconsistency at issue. After the "P - Alliance" patch which was supposed to "fix" the war dec system, instead it left this hole just begging to be exploited. Well, it has been and we are pointing this out now. On a side not if we wish to, and we just might pay this fee anyway if to prove we can match and dirty trick with a like action. We ain't lacking for isk to do it. Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears". See you soon! Hooch Like there is anyone who isn't an Empire carebear who is afraid of that. Lolz. Fact of the matter is that privateer alliance is no threat whatsoever to anyone who is capable of fighting back. Which is why they like to pick on empire corps and especially, noob training corps like the uni. So, they've set out to make it as expensive as possible for you. I applaud that. I love listening to the whines of pirates whenever they are faced with ANY risk or cost consequences to what they do. You can fight all the wars you want and it won't cost you any ISK. Show some nads and show yourselves in 0.0. You won't. we will show up in ivys 0.0 space as soon as you post with your main
Raffael Ramirez Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 17:42:00 - [123] Originally by: Jakke Logan Originally by: The Hooch Edited by: The Hooch on 25/05/2008 16:33:06 There is no real crying here boys and girls. It is the whole inconsistency at issue. After the "P - Alliance" patch which was supposed to "fix" the war dec system, instead it left this hole just begging to be exploited. Well, it has been and we are pointing this out now. On a side not if we wish to, and we just might pay this fee anyway if to prove we can match and dirty trick with a like action. We ain't lacking for isk to do it. Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears". See you soon! Hooch Like there is anyone who isn't an Empire carebear who is afraid of that. Lolz. Fact of the matter is that privateer alliance is no threat whatsoever to anyone who is capable of fighting back. Which is why they like to pick on empire corps and especially, noob training corps like the uni. So, they've set out to make it as expensive as possible for you. I applaud that. I love listening to the whines of pirates whenever they are faced with ANY risk or cost consequences to what they do. You can fight all the wars you want and it won't cost you any ISK. Show some nads and show yourselves in 0.0. You won't. You sir , just disqualified. AGAIN : most of the guys i respect in this alliance played longer in 0.0 space than you play this game and there is a reason we stay in empire : You really think that blob warfare, Cap ship bowling pos camping/outpost hugging and all the other stuff you nubs find soo amazing is fun ? Dude, you never played eve....
Jessica Watia noQuarter.	Posted - 2008.05.25 17:43:00 - [124] Edited by: Jessica Watia on 25/05/2008 17:43:46 gg eve-uni. keep those privateers crying <3
The Hooch Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:19:00 - [125] Quote: You won't. On that point you are right, be there... done that... went broke being an "honorable" player. Now I am not broke and just might renew the dec when I login to prove it. Hooch, epic fail and I like it Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:24:00 - [126] I hope CCP recognizes that these are the type of exploits and biased game mechanics that breed hate and contempt not just for their game but their company. Much like the goons they are raising a whole new generation of people who distrust and dislike CCP. A whole new generation of players that work harder both in-game and out at ruining the game than contributing to it in a positive manner. They were so quick to f us in the a a year or so ago. I think many are expecting the same level of haste regarding this exploit. Lets see if CCP can stand true to their ideals or if theyll blow it and make this a shinning example of their bias that we can all remember and reference for years to come. Syrup
isAzmodeus The Seven	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:38:00 - [127] Did you really just complain that this mechanic is creating players trying to ruin the game while also admitting to griefing a new player training corp? You may not agree with how it was done, but I personally find this funny. Why are the privs so concerned about eve university? You'd think they could find a much better target to get all worked up about. --------------------------------- The Seven- Blowing up someone near you.
Tormenta Noche Tormenta Noche Industries	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:39:00 - [128] Originally by: Surreptitious Otherwise you should just accept the fact that our griefing is a new facet of your gameplay.. Can it be? An honest Priva-tear? Care to explain how self-admitting griefing "contributes to the game in a positive manner"? Based on this self-admission, perhaps CCP will take an interest in that angle, as well. Tormenta Noche "It's all just a bad dream..."
Raffael Ramirez Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:46:00 - [129] Originally by: Tormenta Noche Originally by: Surreptitious Otherwise you should just accept the fact that our griefing is a new facet of your gameplay.. Can it be? An honest Priva-tear? Care to explain how self-admitting griefing "contributes to the game in a positive manner"? Based on this self-admission, perhaps CCP will take an interest in that angle, as well. Tormenta Noche Same way that ever pirate ever in this game contributed. WE make it a harsh world, not the alliances that fly their afk haulers through empire. WE make you think where you fly how you fit your ship in empire . WE make you cry when you jump into a camp without scout. And for the ones that fight back -> WE provide targets. And actually most of them who fight back enjoy it as much as we do if not more.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:58:00 - [130] When the pirates and griefers and jerks are coming up with new and more annoying ways to prosecute their griefdom, complaints are met with "shut up and grow balls", "learn to fight newb", "GB2WOW", and my favorite, "PAY THE RANSOM", etc... When the targets come up with new and more annoying ways to make the griefers have to do something other than push F1-F8 and get their freebie from the EVE Loot Dispensor, it's "OMG CCP EXPLOITZ!!!", "NO HONOUR", "FUHQING CAREBEARZ BREAKING THE RULEZ", etc... Methinks the whiners doth protest too much. This week it's 1 billion to keep being pests. Would you like to play Double Jeopardy and go for 2 billion a week? Oh and BTW, you're not winning. Ivy Killboard (can't link for obvious reasons), you're losing 3.975billion to 3.365billion in cash, an efficiency edge of 54% for the Uni. I hardly expect that to change, as hey, how much can ISK damage can you really do, to a bunch of newbs in frigates? -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.

Raffael Ramirez Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:04:00 - [131] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke When the pirates and griefers and jerks are coming up with new and more annoying ways to prosecute their griefdom, complaints are met with "shut up and grow balls", "learn to fight newb", "GB2WOW", and my favorite, "PAY THE RANSOM", etc... When the targets come up with new and more annoying ways to make the griefers have to do something other than push F1-F8 and get their freebie from the EVE Loot Dispensor, it's "OMG CCP EXPLOITZ!!!", "NO HONOUR", "FUHQING CAREBEARZ BREAKING THE RULEZ", etc... Methinks the whiners doth protest too much. This week it's 1 billion to keep being pests. Would you like to play Double Jeopardy and go for 2 billion a week? Oh and BTW, you're not winning. Ivy Killboard (can't link for obvious reasons), you're losing 3.975billion to 3.365billion in cash, an efficiency edge of 54% for the Uni. I hardly expect that to change, as hey, how much can ISK damage can you really do, to a bunch of newbs in frigates? It always was and always will be that way. Fact is both game styles make eve what it is. But there are certain limits in pushing the game mechanics as CCP showed with the P-alliance nerf. And for the statistics can¦t comment on the alliance ones , corp wise it looks pretty good. Think that war is much more nowadays as when it started tbh.
Ki An Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:06:00 - [132] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Oh and BTW, you're not winning. Ivy Killboard (can't link for obvious reasons), you're losing 3.975billion to 3.365billion in cash, an efficiency edge of 54% for the Uni. I hardly expect that to change, as hey, how much can ISK damage can you really do, to a bunch of newbs in frigates? EVE UNIVERSITY IS WINNING THE ISK WAR! Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:11:00 - [133] Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 25/05/2008 19:12:45 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Oh and BTW, you're not winning. Ivy Killboard (can't link for obvious reasons), you're losing 3.975billion to 3.365billion in cash, an efficiency edge of 54% for the Uni. I hardly expect that to change, as hey, how much can ISK damage can you really do, to a bunch of newbs in frigates? EVE UNIVERSITY IS WINNING THE ISK WAR! What, you were thinking they'd win the ship totals war? Be serious. Uni's fighting the only war they can, against an intractable enemy, and inflicting a cost/value loss on them. Not bad for a training cadre of noobs in frigates and dessies. EDIT: And now it's costing 1 billion a week (for the moment) for Hooch to continue his statistical stalemate. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Kyle Frost Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:15:00 - [134] Originally by: Tormenta Noche And you are standing beside the merry-go-round begging for lunch money from the smart kids. Here's a quid, enjoy. Tormenta Noche This is where you got it wrong. You are so far away from being a "smart kid" it's not even remotely imaginable Anyway, there is no way you could know who i am and what i do because you are like those nerd kids who never come down to the playground. They just sit on the balcony and talk trash. Originally by: X3k5 Youve touched the analogy so I figured I should complete it. The rabbit gets his friends together and cuts out the wolf's belly. Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death or the wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat. The rabbit gets his friends ? What friends ? Did you read the first post on this thread ? IVY didn't contract mercs against us . They abuse a flaw in the game mechanics to get us off their backs. And i can't understand what defeat you are talking about, since we are not the ones who try to stop the war by cheating - IVY is doing that ------ Let the gun do the talking...
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:18:00 - [135] Originally by: Kyle Frost Originally by: Tormenta Noche And you are standing beside the merry-go-round begging for lunch money from the smart kids. Here's a quid, enjoy. Tormenta Noche This is where you got it wrong. You are so far away from being a "smart kid" it's not even remotely imaginable Anyway, there is no way you could know who i am and what i do because you are like those nerd kids who never come down to the playground. They just sit on the balcony and talk trash. Originally by: X3k5 Youve touched the analogy so I figured I should complete it. The rabbit gets his friends together and cuts out the wolf's belly. Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death or the wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat. The rabbit gets his friends ? What friends ? Did you read the first post on this thread ? IVY didn't contract mercs against us . They abuse a flaw in the game mechanics to get us off their backs. And i can't understand what defeat you are talking about, since we are not the ones who try to stop the war by cheating - IVY is doing that IVY doesn't want the war stopped. Rather, it appears that they want you to bleed in order to continue it. Is your griefing important enough for you to run another week? PAY THE RANSOM (to Concord). -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
PR Hough Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:19:00 - [136] Edited by: PR Hough on 25/05/2008 19:22:42 Originally by: The Hooch Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears". See you soon! Hooch Priva-Tears!!!!11111! please come and get me, it will be fun! on a serious note would you really bother hunting down some people and their alts just because they called your group a rather unwitty name on the forums?
isAzmodeus The Seven	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:21:00 - [137] Edited by: isAzmodeus on 25/05/2008 19:22:28 War is a multifaceted approach. It seems like Ivy found a way to inflict more pain on their enemies (increased isk cost to fund the war). I'd think the Privateers would applaud people trying to gain an advantage in war and bleed their opponents dry. I guess thats only true when it is happening to someone else. EDIT: Threatening to war-dec people that bad-mouth you on the forums shows exactly what type of players you are. Its amazing to try and watch the privs get on a high horse for this topic, while also showing that they lack the moral authority for that position. --------------------------------- The Seven- Blowing up someone near you.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:28:00 - [138] Originally by: PR Hough Edited by: PR Hough on 25/05/2008 19:22:42 Originally by: The Hooch Also, we are looking for mouthy people in this thread and that is providing us with all kinds of new targets. So maybe we let Ivy go for a few days and we take a look at this thread and see who needs a bit of our "Priva-Tears". See you soon! Hooch Priva-Tears!!!!11111! please come and get me, it will be fun! on a serious note would you really bother hunting down some people and their alts just because they called your group a rather unwitty name on the forums? Yes, people do. See: Nexcis, Nexia. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:52:00 - [139] Originally by: X3k5 Edited by: X3k5 on 25/05/2008 14:46:28 Originally by: Kyle Frost To IVY: When the rabbit makes short turns to get away from the wolf, that doesnÆt make the wolf stop chasing it û it just **es him off. I will see you around boys Youve touched the analogy so I figured I should complete it. The rabbit gets his friends together and cuts out the wolf's belly. Now if the wolf wants to chase after the rabbit, he's free to and in doing so bleed/starve to death or the wolf can cut his losses and accept defeat. This is it. The worst post on all of CAOD for 2008. See how it tries very hard to be witty and tough and intimidating, talking of rabbits who band together and cut out wolf bellies. See how it claims that this is part of an analogy. Also see how it falls flat on its face into a fetid puddle of failure. There is no analogy here. There is only a carebear, pounding his chest vicariously through someone else's abuse of a game mechanic. Originally by:** techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
Stevens Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:01:00 - [140] Originally by: Kelduum Revaan The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design. You need to get off your high horse throwing out bug report numbers. This wouldn't be the first time a clueless bug hunter/game master claimed something was an exploit just to have it changed in a short time spam claiming it was an exploit. So I can go two quite humorous ways with this. 1. Petition a gm and escalate it until I get a GM to claim it is an exploit (Protip I'm not a priv and even more IAC gets decced by them enough for me to hate them) 2. You can give me the name of the Bug Hunter and I can say he called it legit to benifit himself in Ivy League and get a hold of Internal Affairs. They have an amazing turn around time (24-48 hours) and IA will get it fixed. Your choice.

Cosmic Raider Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:51:00 - [141] Privateers would be the first to scream "anything goes that game mechanics allow" and the first to whine "it's not good for the game" when it wasn't what they wanted. What's lost in this is they have been losing to Uni for weeks now. They don't want to walk away failing, so now they complain when the Uni responds with all methods at their disposal. Unsurprising from a group that admits they couldn't hack it in 0.0. Go Uni! Give 'em hell.
Brandwood	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:56:00 - [142] Originally by: Stevens Originally by: Kelduum Revaan The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design. You need to get off your high horse throwing out bug report numbers. This wouldn't be the first time a clueless bug hunter/game master claimed something was an exploit just to have it changed in a short time spam claiming it was an exploit. So I can go two quite humorous ways with this. 1. Petition a gm and escalate it until I get a GM to claim it is an exploit (Protip I'm not a priv and even more IAC gets decced by them enough for me to hate them) 2. You can give me the name of the Bug Hunter and I can say he called it legit to benifit himself in Ivy League and get a hold of Internal Affairs. They have an amazing turn around time (24-48 hours) and IA will get it fixed. Your choice. an intresting post.
Gaius Weyland Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate The Omni Federation	Posted - 2008.05.25 21:00:00 - [143] Congrats to the Ivy league
Stevens Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.25 21:02:00 - [144] Originally by: Brandwood an intresting post. What do you mean?
Ki An Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.05.25 21:30:00 - [145] Heh, there sure are a lot of spineless alts poasting in this here thread. I hope the Privateers find all your mains and dec them. And to the guy trying to insinuate that deccing people for badmouthing you on the forums is somehow lame: It's not. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Jita Mistress Forge Enterprises	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:03:00 - [146] PrivaTEARS, amirite?
Stevens Baptism oF Fire Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:18:00 - [147] Edited by: Stevens on 25/05/2008 22:19:39 Started my 'crusade' of forcing CCPs hand by reporting http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=780616&page=2#49 for clearly not being a duplicate topic as Hooch didn't mention IVY. Seriously talking about it on the forums doesn't get things done. Making every team in CCP look at the problem (mods, devs, gms, IA) means eventually they will get sick of dealing with the topic and actually take a real look at it. You should try it sometime. Or as the goon said let goons do it so BoB can whine about it and get it fixed. Both are good solutions. Edit: As a note to the mods there is nothing wrong with this post so please don't waste your time finding a hair brained reason to remove it, I don't like having to contact CCP to get obvious game issues fixed when the forum outrage should be enough but whatever gets stuff done.
Kyle Frost Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:21:00 - [148] Originally by: Swamp Ziro and then you wonder why we call you mentally challenged, the lot of you Damn it, i was just about to post in the other thread and the mod locked it Anyway, here it goes: Hhahahaahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa hhhhhhahahahaha Wait , waità YOU are calling US mentally challenged ? Oh boy, thatÆs a good one. If Privateers are mentally challenged, what does that make you , ah ? khuhhhhuhhhhhhaaaaaa hahaha . I will teach you how to insure yourself against empire wars if you show me how to get my Rorqual blown up by my own PoS guns. Oh and I am ready to pay double for the special TITAN Flip lesson ------ Let the gun do the talking...
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:25:00 - [149] Give em hell Privs, been a while since Ivy was worth a damn anyway. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP.
Lithalnas Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:34:00 - [150] Privateers make eve what it is today, a rolling bar fight where even the restrooms have a party going on. In ambulation will privateers organize giant *****slap-a-thons? Can i join one? ------------- fixed for greater eve content



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