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Exodus Alpha	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:15:00 - [331] Originally by: The PitBoss Originally by: Zeutheir Caenn Aside from concurring with the pro-Picard sentiments which preceded this reply, I just wanted to make a short post from a new player's perspective. I got into EVE about 2 and a half or 3 weeks ago. I've played loads of MMOs in my life (started with the browser-based Planetarion at its launch, wrote an alliance-building advice column for their original portal as J-Kast if you remember at all, oh em gee old). But anyway, I was drawn to EVE looking for something new and decided to try it out partly because of the free trial and also after reading about Eve Uni. A previous poster talked about the possible game-wide effects of the war as far as inhibitting new players from coming into the game. I'm still around, but I probably wouldn't be if I hadn't been playing similar games for years. I can see how anyone coming into EVE as their first MMO could be overwhelmed. And if they were looking forward to EU, they'll be out of luck. I obviously don't have any server subscription numbers, but I think it's easy for all sides - PRIVS and EU - to forget about the new player demographic which is being affected, and I hope that is kept in mind. The uni may be offering some new public lectures or trying to appear to do normal things, but the kind of new player help which existed pre-war obviously isn't there, and I hear people talking every day about leaving EU or losing faith, giving up, and moving on to something else. I recently went through the tutorials and can honestly tell you that I didn't learn 1/6 enough to actually get involved in "real" EVE gameplay. Regardless of any causes of this wardec, reasons for it being prolonged, and the inability of it to end, I sincerely hope that new player aid can take some new form soon. Anyway, I just wanted to offer a 3-week-old perspective since I imagine many recently new players either leave before their trial is over or simply don't read the forums and, thus, don't have their voices heard. in b4 delicious carebear tears BUT yet somehow you survived AND after your 2-3 weeks in-game you've made it to a nice little corp: Hadean Drive Yards ... AND to a nice little Alliance: Archean Cooperative ... Your point? ... Ah yes .. your point is that it is a big universe out there and THERE IS other options out there for the NOOB players besides Eve University The only reason you have this perception is because anyone without the wherewithal to figure out the game for themselves 1) isn't going to be anywhere near E-ON, 2) is not someone you'd have any regular contact with, 3) possibly already quit. No one here is saying that Eve is impossible for people to figure out from the ground up without an organization like EU around, but it would conversely be incorrect to say that everyone is capable of figuring out the multifaceted ways of Eve without some help from others. Whether those others are EU, another teaching corp, a random corp, or just someone the noob happens to meet doesn't matter. Plus, the game needs less carebears who complain when people come around and blow up their CNR in Empire, and that's all the tutorial teaches people to do.
Setana Manoro Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.29 11:51:00 - [332] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 29/05/2008 11:51:47 Nice to see some response from CCP, not like they didn't see this thread since page one or knew of this way of exploiting the game mechanics, because that it is, using normal game mechanics that together give an unintended purpose. But big props to EVE-Uni for doing it, you've just painted a target on you, and made privateers even more angry, good luck teaching newbies from now on. I wonder if Hooch started getting donations to keep the war going. :) Either way, whomever put this tactic into practice, congrats. You are now known as the person who killed eve-uni. :)
Jakke Logan F Off And Die	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:01:00 - [333] How is it any more of an exploit to force privateers to pay more to maintain a grief war than it is to sit in a station owned by an alliance that can't kick you out of it and drive up prices? It's part of the game. The only thing CCP has deemed an exploit is alliance hopping to evade wardecs. Note there is nothing that is being done here preventing the privateers from remaining at war with the eve-uni, the only thing that has been done is to make it obviously more expensive than they want to pay. My opinion: pay up or shut up and go back to gate camping the Sobieski to Jita gate. Frankly coming here and crying a river that has reached lord knows how many pages by now says a LOT more about the privateers than it does anything else. Cry more, privateers, cry more.
The Hooch Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:04:00 - [334] Quote: I wonder if Hooch started getting donations to keep the war going. :) Well, funny this came up, I have gotten a few here and there . I am sure Ivy has been gotten some as well. Hooch Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Ki An Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:27:00 - [335] Originally by: Jakke Logan My opinion: pay up or shut up and go back to gate camping the Sobieski to Jita gate. Noone's interested in your opinion as you're obviously ****** Originally by:** Jakke Logan Frankly coming here and crying a river that has reached lord knows how many pages by now says a LOT more about the privateers than it does anything else. Seems to me that more people are crying because they feel their little exploit is gonna get nuked by CCP soon. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
David Goodwill GENTEC plc	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:39:00 - [336] This thread is now about pie. I like Apple pie best, with custard.
nomadeyes Squirley Wrath	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:07:00 - [337] Originally by: David Goodwill This thread is now about pie. I like Apple pie best, with custard. It's a tossup between pecan and rhubarb for me... It is far better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
Zeutheir Caenn Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:34:00 - [338] Originally by: nomadeyes Originally by: David Goodwill This thread is now about pie. I like Apple pie best, with custard. It's a tossup between pecan and rhubarb for me... Key lime. By far.
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:27:00 - [339] I agree with what some others have posted that if it was any number of other corps pulling this the story would be different. Because there is such a bais against Privateers it seems like any tactic you use against them is fair, even if it's skirting the edge of being exploitive. At least Ivy is admitting to it. Not that they could avoid owning up to it but still. If they keep this up and say CCP doesn't do anything in an immediate sense, how about decing all the people who jumped from Ivy. Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well. Make it even more unappealing to be in Ivy than it already is. It's like if you can't kill the main boss, then hurt his family and friends.
David Goodwill GENTEC plc	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:34:00 - [340] Originally by: Nexa Necis I agree with what some others have posted that if it was any number of other corps pulling this the story would be different. Because there is such a bais against Privateers it seems like any tactic you use against them is fair, even if it's skirting the edge of being exploitive. At least Ivy is admitting to it. Not that they could avoid owning up to it but still. If they keep this up and say CCP doesn't do anything in an immediate sense, how about decing all the people who jumped from Ivy. Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well. Make it even more unappealing to be in Ivy than it already is. It's like if you can't kill the main boss, then hurt his family and friends. I'm sorry but what does this have to do with pie? Stay on topic please.

Tommy Foofoo Molden Heath Gentlemen's Society	Posted - 2008.05.29 18:00:00 - [341] Edited by: Tommy Foofoo on 29/05/2008 18:00:20 Originally by: Nexa Necis Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well. So, go to war with half of empire and most of nullsec as a way of getting back at Eve Uni? Yeah, I'll get right on that. Edit: Pie!
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.05.29 19:20:00 - [342] Originally by: Tommy Foofoo Edited by: Tommy Foofoo on 29/05/2008 18:00:20 Originally by: Nexa Necis Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well. So, go to war with half of empire and most of nullsec as a way of getting back at Eve Uni? Yeah, I'll get right on that. Edit: Pie! Been there, done that. SKUNK
Bain's hoe	Posted - 2008.05.29 19:35:00 - [343] i am always game for a good strawberry cream pie =)
Faekurias Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.29 19:42:00 - [344] Originally by: Bain's hoe cream pie =) Oh rly... Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected]
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.29 20:23:00 - [345] i have to admit thats a pretty good tactic Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Blackjack OMalley Blackjack Security Services	Posted - 2008.05.30 03:23:00 - [346] French Silk, with a nice meringue. Oh, and at least a 2/1 ratio of chocolate to meringue. -------------------------------------------- Give him back the knife, because the children of men have need of it
Zeimanov Kalzumaan Haruspex Industries	Posted - 2008.05.30 08:23:00 - [347] Originally by: Nexa Necis Make it to where if you're affiliated with them, you will be hunted as well. So, go to war with half of empire and most of nullsec as a way of getting back at Eve Uni? Yeah, I'll get right on that. Edit: Pie! Can't see the war errupting into low-sec - no carebears there. No point unlsess there's tears! Anyhow, whats with all the sweet pies? Steak and Kidney all the way!!!!
Zealota Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:26:00 - [348] I recently discovered a disturbing fact about IVYs premeditated exploit. A good friend of mine who resides within Eve University has come to make acquaintances with Kelduum Revaan and after gaining his trust and friendship over a long period of time was entrusted with an off the record opinion on the exploit. What my friend within Eve University relayed to me was as followed. During numerous forums of IVYs top leaders discussing possible ways to hold back the privateer war, it was felt conventional methods were not working and more drastic measures were needed quickly to take control and resume normal scheduled activities. One idea submitted to the rest of the top IVY leaders by Kelduum Revaan was this ôexploitö. After merely 30minutes of the idea being proposed all leaders unanimously agreed it as the best course of action. Firstly this proves Kelduum Revaan is lying about it being unconditionally his idea and responsibility. Secondly and most disturbing is that he reviled to my mole within the alliance that he personally knows a game developer within CCP and claimed a rl favour from the developer to overlooked his submitted bug reports and questioning of the exploits legality in game to make it seem like the had done some homework on the matter therefore appearing to look like he had legitimate regard for being a fair player to other developers, members of his alliance and the eve community. I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true but if it is, not only am I completely stunned but its a drama bomb waiting to happen! Not to mention a possible ban!
Landarian Absolutely No Retreat Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:48:00 - [349] Originally by: Zealota ...{stuff}... lollerskates .... love those "facts" there My dog leaves facts like that in tightly coiled piles on the lawn
The RedPlague Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:03:00 - [350] Originally by: Zealota I recently discovered a disturbing fact about IVYs premeditated exploit. A good friend of mine who resides within Eve University has come to make acquaintances with Kelduum Revaan and after gaining his trust and friendship over a long period of time was entrusted with an off the record opinion on the exploit. What my friend within Eve University relayed to me was as followed. During numerous forums of IVYs top leaders discussing possible ways to hold back the privateer war, it was felt conventional methods were not working and more drastic measures were needed quickly to take control and resume normal scheduled activities. One idea submitted to the rest of the top IVY leaders by Kelduum Revaan was this ôexploitö. After merely 30minutes of the idea being proposed all leaders unanimously agreed it as the best course of action. Firstly this proves Kelduum Revaan is lying about it being unconditionally his idea and responsibility. Secondly and most disturbing is that he reviled to my mole within the alliance that he personally knows a game developer within CCP and claimed a rl favour from the developer to overlooked his submitted bug reports and questioning of the exploits legality in game to make it seem like the had done some homework on the matter therefore appearing to look like he had legitimate regard for being a fair player to other developers, members of his alliance and the eve community. I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true but if it is, not only am I completely stunned but its a drama bomb waiting to happen! Not to mention a possible ban! Cheers,

The Hooch Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 16:56:00 - [351] I recently discovered a disturbing fact about IVYs premeditated exploit. A good friend of mine who resides within Eve University has come to make acquaintances with Kelduum Revaan and after gaining his trust and friendship over a long period of time was entrusted with an off the record opinion on the exploit. What my friend within Eve University relayed to me was as followed. During numerous forums of IVYs top leaders discussing possible ways to hold back the privateer war, it was felt conventional methods were not working and more drastic measures were needed quickly to take control and resume normal scheduled activities. One idea submitted to the rest of the top IVY leaders by Kelduum Revaan was this ôexploitö. After merely 30minutes of the idea being proposed all leaders unanimously agreed it as the best course of action. Firstly this proves Kelduum Revaan is lying about it being unconditionally his idea and responsibility. Secondly and most disturbing is that he reviled to my mole within the alliance that he personally knows a game developer within CCP and claimed a rl favour from the developer to overlooked his submitted bug reports and questioning of the exploits legality in game to make it seem like the had done some homework on the matter therefore appearing to look like he had legitimate regard for being a fair player to other developers, members of his alliance and the eve community. I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true but if it is, not only am I completely stunned but its a drama bomb waiting to happen! Not to mention a possible ban Please contact me in game. We need to talk... Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
WulfWestphal Niflhel	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:10:00 - [352] Originally by: Zealota -laughable stuff- Originally by: The Hooch Please contact me in game. We need to talk... you are both plain pathetic. good for amusement, but well in a pathetic way. like seeing a biker doing a dumb stunt who falls right on the face. ---
The RedPlague Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:33:00 - [353] Originally by: WulfWestphal you are both plain pathetic. good for amusement, but well in a pathetic way. like seeing a biker doing a dumb stunt who falls right on the face. About as pathetic as your analogy Cheers,
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:43:00 - [354] Edited by: Kelduum Revaan on 30/05/2008 18:44:36 All I have to say is that you may want to have a look at previous posts by Zealota via Eve-Search, and pay close attention to the replies. I would say this one is fairly representative: http://eve-search.com/thread/773724/page/4#96 Although, if its true, then POLARIS FRIGATES WITH DOOMSDAYS FITTED ALL ROUND! -- Kelduum Revaan Still not Diplomatic Director, and Eve University <IVY> Edit: Linking.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:43:00 - [355] If it looks too good to be true, Hooch, then it probably is. Go ahead though. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
isAzmodeus The Seven	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:47:00 - [356] Originally by: The Hooch I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true but if it is, not only am I completely stunned but its a drama bomb waiting to happen! Not to mention a possible ban[/b] Please contact me in game. We need to talk... Wow. For someone that spends so much time talking trash on the forums, you are either 1) stupid for even remotely believing that person 2) weakly attempting to raise the drama level by pretending to believe it No matter which one it is, your forum-fu is weak on this. --------------------------------- The Seven- Blowing up someone near you.
nomadeyes Squirley Wrath	Posted - 2008.05.31 03:52:00 - [357] Originally by: Zealota Stuff I cannot be sure this second hand information is 100% accurate or even true... Hooch, come on man you really believe this post? I may not be fond of the length of your war against Ivy but I always credited you with enough intelligence to see through a pile of BS when you saw one. This post has the same ring to it as all the ones about BRUCE taking over jita, or BOB disbanding... You've got someone posting about what some unnamed person was supposedly told? In a courtroom they call that Hearsay and tell the person to shut it.
Exodus Alpha	Posted - 2008.05.31 06:38:00 - [358] Originally by: The Hooch Please contact me in game. We need to talk... lol fail
Xiangy	Posted - 2008.05.31 07:40:00 - [359] Originally by: Exodus Alpha Originally by: The Hooch Please contact me in game. We need to talk... lol fail Indeed. Come on Hooch, don't tell me you are giving up!
DeathEngine	Posted - 2008.05.31 09:53:00 - [360] Originally by: Swiftness ITT a moron gloats about trying to ruin a corp which helps newbies enjoying eve. Hint : the more newbs enjoy eve, the longer the game will last This.



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