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Project Untrust	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:15:00 - [1] Edited by: Project Untrust on 27/05/2008 14:16:10 So while I was killing time browsing EVE-online.com during DT, reading a bit of EVE stories, forums and etc, like many of us would do... I came across the section 'Organizations' under 'Backstory', and noticed a very interesting fact: None of the NPC corps have a CEO or CFO or any other portraited staffs that is an Achura, Khanid, Jin-Mei, and Vheroklor. Amarr - 33 corps - Portraits of CEO and staffs consist of all races/bloodlines except the above mentioned 4 Caldari - 44 corps - same as above (=same as above) Gallente - 31 corps - Minmatar - 21 corps - Jovian - 7 corps - Ammatar - 3 corps - Khanid Kingdom - 4 corps - Intaki Syndicate - 4 corps - Guristas - 2 corps - Serpentis - 2 corps - Angel Cartel - 4 corps - Blood Raider - 1 corp - InterBus - 1 corp - ORE - 1 corp - Concord - 4 corps - SOE - 3 corps - Society of Concious Thoughts - 1 corp - Mordu's Legion - 1 corp - Sansha's Nation - 2 corps - Thukker Tribe - 2 corps -** That's ALL of the 171 npc corps in game, and you couldn't find one single Achura, Khanid, Jin-Mei or Vheroklor among them. Could this be coincidence? certainly not, not after 171 x # of the staffs chance with 0 hit. Could this be a random portrait generator's work and somehow someone in CCP forgot to 'program' these 4 racial portaits in it? I seriously doubt it, as if you pay attention on the CEOs/staff of certain corp, you'll realized their last name, race is closely chosen and associated with some of the stories from EVE Chronicles. This suggest CCP paid explicit attention in details about what they put out there, lore, stories are all well coordinated and described. Which make this even more troubling... so does that mean the 'missing races' are intentional? and if it is intentional what is the purpose? If you compare Ammatar with Khanid Kingdom, the CEOs/staffs in Ammatar are consisted of Ammar and Minmatar(fits the lore), yet Khanid Kingdom corps have CEOs/staffs in every other race but Khanid(doesn't make much sense does it?) Same goes the corp 'Vheroklor' has no Vheroklor in them, and finally zero Jin-Mei in Gallentte corps. Above are just examples that where these race should or suppose to be in Lore and in reality one will probably expect them in other less expected corps such as pirate corps. But no... they're non-existent in any npc corps at the moment. I tried to find some sort of connection and similarity of these 4 bloodlines compare to other bloodlines. and there is none in-game. Except their portraits draws reference from real world Asians(Mongoloid). Same as other bloodlines draws reference from Caucasoid and Negroid. This makes perfect sense as the sentient beings in the story of EVE are human descendants(I mean they didn't just creat some random alien looking portrait..). And in real world Earth, human race are consist of 3 major groups (Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid), And so far CCP has done a very good job representing each group in EVE. Until now. Discuss.
Lorna Loot Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:17:00 - [2] That's because they were made before the Asian bloodlines were introduced. This thread is crap. --------------------- Nox Eternus is Recruiting, contact me or Sgt Shazz ingame for info.
Rheddin	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:18:00 - [3] Edited by: Rheddin on 27/05/2008 14:18:31 wtf? am I allowed to make a game that doesnt represent all of the made up races it features equally or is that racism?
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:19:00 - [4] Aren't those all "bloodlines" races (or sub-races of the primary 4), and since they were created after the fact, the existing corporations wouldn't be changed to relflect their addition...... just my guess -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Project Untrust I tried to find some sort of connection and similarity of these 4 bloodlines compare to other bloodlines. and there is none in-game. Those 4 were introduced years after the game had started and the backstory had been created. Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/Jumpclones)
Zetjur Jilnou Rapid Deployment Industries	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:22:00 - [6] OP fails.
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216 San Matari.	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:28:00 - [7] lol would read again. Make more posts like this! San Matari Official forums
Jastra Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Project Untrust Edited by: Project Untrust on 27/05/2008 14:16:10 So while I was killing time browsing EVE-online.com during DT, now theres where you went wrong, you should have gone and had a lie down in a darkened room, or had some lunch, instead of worrying about the leaders of made up corporations in a game and whether there is a sinister plot ;)
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Project Untrust And in real world Earth, human race are consist of 3 major groups (Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid), And so far CCP has done a very good job representing each group in EVE. Ahahaha, funniest and craziest statement ever! Though seriously, I think this topic deserves more thorough investigation. What is the composition in races of the very top ranks (CPP Devs, GMS)? I believe we can find discrepancies here too indicating that something is rotten in New Eden!
Cadela Fria Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:35:00 - [10] If you ask me, we need more BLATANT racism and slavery..like Amarr vs Minmatar. In fact I suggest we put the Achura and other asian characters through the grinder like Minmatar and oppress them - Would make for some excellent RP fun and conflicts.
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Rheddin Edited by: Rheddin on 27/05/2008 14:18:31 wtf? am I allowed to make a game that doesnt represent all of the made up races it features equally or is that racism? Is racism a bad thing when it comes to a made up race in a video game?
Project Untrust	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:39:00 - [12] Ok, so the backstory was created before they indroduce the 'Asian' race. I didn't know that. And I bet I am not the only one who doesn't know that. And base on this lack of knowledge, does assumption seem too odd? put yourself in a more objective potition before reading this topic instead of bashing easy target. I think what i point out is nothing but the obvious, the 'missing race' in npc corps. I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, points and laughs you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late?
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Project Untrust I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, points and laughs you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late? Well, the majority of these posters would be of your previously mentioned Mongoloid human race.
Dlardrageth Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Cadela Fria If you ask me, we need more BLATANT racism and slavery..like Amarr vs Minmatar. In fact I suggest we put the Achura and other asian characters through the grinder like Minmatar and oppress them - Would make for some excellent RP fun and conflicts. You really want the people of Khanid to rise up in anger, don't you?
R'ough	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Project Untrust ... 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, points and laughs you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late? Welcome to the forum
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:46:00 - [16] I think we'd face soem problems with achura lolz. most ppl playing eve are already caldari and I think most of the ppl playing caldari, play achura as well xD
Gealbhan Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:48:00 - [17] I think you should keep the PC on the QT because FYI it's an MMORPG. "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
Estel Arador AFK	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:49:00 - [18] Edited by: Estel Arador on 27/05/2008 14:49:20 Originally by: Project Untrust all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, points and laughs you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late? Not at all, it's not for joining EVE late, it's a) for doing this 'research' and b) for jumping to conclusions after doing said 'research'. For future 'research' and truly outrageous conclusions, might I suggest you research the character creation paths and see how many give you a black character? Estel Arador corp services (high-sec POS/Jumpclones)
Cadela Fria Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:49:00 - [19] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 27/05/2008 14:53:38 Originally by: Dlardrageth Originally by: Cadela Fria If you ask me, we need more BLATANT racism and slavery..like Amarr vs Minmatar. In fact I suggest we put the Achura and other asian characters through the grinder like Minmatar and oppress them - Would make for some excellent RP fun and conflicts. You really want the people of Khanid to rise up in anger, don't you? Yes, yes I do Khanid are an inferior people - Even genetically...the only reason they aren't enslaved like the pathetic Minmatar animals, is cause we don't need more slaves..yet anyway. Those asian type people are, however, no better than the minmatar..weak underdeveloped creatures!. I think the caldari ones might even be of russian origin..or something, you know like the gallente are french. I don't know..has no bearing anyway.
Taedrin Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Project Untrust Ok, so the backstory was created before they indroduce the 'Asian' race. I didn't know that. And I bet I am not the only one who doesn't know that. And base on this lack of knowledge, does assumption seem too odd? put yourself in a more objective potition before reading this topic instead of bashing easy target. I think what i point out is nothing but the obvious, the 'missing race' in npc corps. I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, points and laughs you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late? I'd also be willing to bet that you didn't know: You used to be able to use cruiser missiles on a kestral You used to be able to fit and use multiple MWD's at once.
Joshua Foiritain Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Project Untrust I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, points and laughs you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late? People don't randomly change race hence updating doesnt make any sense. Also, nobody but you cares, has cared or will care about this, ever. -----
Project Untrust	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Estel Arador Edited by: Estel Arador on 27/05/2008 14:49:20 Originally by: Project Untrust all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, points and laughs you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late? Not at all, it's not for joining EVE late, it's a) for doing this 'research' and b) for jumping to conclusions after doing said 'research'. For future 'research' and truly outrageous conclusions, might I suggest you research the character creation paths and see how many give you a black character? I made plenty of speculation, but i haven't jump to any conclusion as far as i am aware of. And comparing my 'research' to some of the indepth investigation that people suggested isn't very fair imo. my 'research' was a unintentional web browsing while killing time waiting to get back on EVE. I didn't set out to look for any 'hidden plots' i merely came across something obvious and pointed it out on forum, and got laugh at coz of some lore CCP failed to update in few year gap. This still doesn't change the fact that many new players will find it odd when they're simply curious about npc corps and did a bit of lore searching.
Joshua Foiritain Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Project Untrust This still doesn't change the fact that many new players will find it odd when they're simply curious about npc corps and did a bit of lore searching. No they wont. Also, why do you even care what races the NPC corp agents are? -----
Project Untrust	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Project Untrust I am surprise that no one suggested that it'd be a good idea for CCP to update their lore/database, all i get is easy 'omfg haha you idiot you don't know what you're talking about haha, points and laughs you fail lol' sigh, for me joining eve late? People don't randomly change race hence updating doesnt make any sense. Also, nobody but you cares, has cared or will care about this, ever. Oh nobody cares? so you mean ppl who replied here just got nothing better to do or say but up for an easy victim bashing, well that's obvious. Well thanks for caring enough to stop by and post tho.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:11:00 - [25] Quote: None of the NPC corps have a CEO or CFO or any other portraited staffs that is an Achura, Khanid, Jin-Mei, and Vheroklor. GEE I WONDER WHY. Those bloodlines were added later, long after the NPC corps had been set up. I say, leave it as is. Trying to exercise some sort of racial quota in a video game is just inanity, and I am extremely happy that we have shut out those odious and loathsome archura from all levels of government in the Caldari State!
Project Untrust	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Project Untrust This still doesn't change the fact that many new players will find it odd when they're simply curious about npc corps and did a bit of lore searching. No they wont. Also, why do you even care what races the NPC corp agents are? Agents? are we even talking about the same thing? i was refering to CEOS/staffs under 'Backstory' and 'Organization', there're people who play the game for it's RP aspect and enjoys the lore(story) Because if you don't what is EVE to you then? just bunch of ships shooting each other in a big black vacume space? You might not care there're no Khanids in Khanid kingdom corps but if you fail to understand why some people might point it out, you shouldn't be even playing the game imo. All the resource of EVE, both in game and on site are wasted on ppl like you.
copasetic sideways	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:22:00 - [27] poasting in the tiny space that isn't occupied by the op and the dead horse he's still violently flogging...
Captain Bringdown Rage Against the Answering Machine	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Project Untrust Oh nobody cares? so you mean ppl who replied here just got nothing better to do or say but up for an easy victim bashing, well that's obvious. Well thanks for caring enough to stop by and post tho. I believe this is the foundation of the EVE-O forums
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Project Untrust And base on this lack of knowledge, does assumption seem too odd? put yourself in a more objective potition before reading this topic instead of bashing easy target. I think what i point out is nothing but the obvious, the 'missing race' in npc corps. I'm sorry, but the fact that the new races have been out for the past 2 years and no-one else has mentioned it means that they don't care, or, they haven't been bored enough to check something as petty as this out -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
5pinDizzy Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:05:00 - [30] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/05/2008 16:06:15 This reminds of of all the politically correct tripe I've seen in real life, where things like shows are scared if their audiences aren't culturally diverse enough and they might be branded racists. Everything that possibly involves an attendance of random members of the population has apparently got to have a reflective percentage of accuratetely dispersed ethnic diversity in their group based on the number ratios of the entire population. Apparently if this doesn't happen its racist, never mind a chance that such and such a person who has such and such an ethnic origin decided to do/go somewhere else instead at the time etc... To me it makes about as much sense as calling a coin racist if it keeps flipping heads mostly (by chance) instead of heads tails heads tails. If anything I would call even bringing such a thing up as racist in my own way of thinking, as to highlight the differences between people rather then just accepting them all as human beings.
Captain Bringdown Rage Against the Answering Machine	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:47:00 - [31] If they change leaderships of these corps to other npc just because of their bloodline being absent... wouldnt that be the perfect example of racism anyway?
Project Untrust	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:56:00 - [32] Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 27/05/2008 16:06:15 This reminds of of all the politically correct tripe I've seen in real life, where things like shows are scared if their audiences aren't culturally diverse enough and they might be branded racists. Everything that possibly involves an attendance of random members of the population has apparently got to have a reflective percentage of accuratetely dispersed ethnic diversity in their group based on the number ratios of the entire population. Apparently if this doesn't happen its racist, never mind a chance that such and such a person who has such and such an ethnic origin decided to do/go somewhere else instead at the time etc... To me it makes about as much sense as calling a coin racist if it keeps flipping heads mostly (by chance) instead of heads tails heads tails. If anything I would call even bringing such a thing up as racist in my own way of thinking, as to highlight the differences between people rather then just accepting them all as human beings. Overkill ftw. How did you even made the connection between the two scenerios? I failed at not knowing that certain races were added later after the Backstory were already in place, and that's the reason i got flame/laugh at. But imagine IF that's not the case, what kinda impression that would give you?? the same kinda impression it would give for any new players who're interested enough in lore and RP (those joined after they added the new races), which are: Why're 4bloodlines missing in over 170 corps? Why aren't there a Khanid in Khanid Kingdom corps? (how do you make the connection to what you said in your post?) So, 2 things 5pinDizzy, don't mix them up. if i got flamed for stupidly assuming something on such a sensitive subject without further research, i take the full blame for it, it was me being stupid and not knowing. But if i got flamed for defining what is or should be consider racism then you got the wrong target, I never started that topic, you did. asking why there isn't one single Khanid in all the Khanid corps isn't the same as your 'real life show attendance vs ratio of race etc etc.' I agree about how tiresom and annoying it is to be '100% politically correct' in rl. But some people are just as sensitive about not being '100% politically correct' as those on the opposite end of the spectrum. The content of my original post hasn't change, what has changed is the before and after knowing the fact that those races were added later. Before knowing it - it's an issue to be discussed After knowing it - it slaves all the questions, hence the issue doesn't exist anymore. Seems like some people here can't get a grip of that and move on. I wonder what the real issue is.
5pinDizzy Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:07:00 - [33] Why is talking about the made up races on internet space people a sensitive subject if you didn't want comparisons drawn of real life racism and scenarios? pft.
Project Untrust	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:23:00 - [34] Edited by: Project Untrust on 27/05/2008 17:23:55 Originally by: 5pinDizzy Why is talking about the made up races on internet space people a sensitive subject if you didn't want comparisons drawn of real life racism and scenarios? pft. i don't understand your question.... can you clarify ?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:25:00 - [35] I've read a lot of lame threads in my time. This thread is their king. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Cadela Fria Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:26:00 - [36] EVE needs more racism! oooh and ethnic cleansings! DOWN WITH THE KHANID!
Splagada Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:29:00 - [37] Edited by: Splagada on 27/05/2008 17:36:56 Edited by: Splagada on 27/05/2008 17:35:55 @OP : Seriously dude, choose your battles a bit better, what a waste of time... being minnie i poked daily the caldari, the "other other white meat"... its a GAME ------ Tides of Silence
Cadela Fria Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Splagada Seriously dude, choose your battles... Who me?..Didn't I just do that?
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Cadela Fria EVE needs more racism! oooh and ethnic cleansings! DOWN WITH THE KHANID! No worries! When CCP introduces factional warfare you will get it! Trust CCP to provide tools for exterminations! Because I am really looking forward seeing the ethnic cleancing of the vile Caldari. They need some treatment! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Splagada Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Splagada Seriously dude, choose your battles... Who me?..Didn't I just do that? that was for OP :p ------ Tides of Silence
teh punisher Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Project Untrust so you mean ppl who replied here just got nothing better to do or say but up for an easy victim bashing hit the nail on the head there
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:48:00 - [42] As much as I think it's a ridiculous concept in real life, faction-based (or race-based, lets not sugar coat it) conflict works well in a MMO setting. It provides context or conflict in a PVP setting that's easy to develop your balancing for combat mechanics as well as your background lore to support it. As long as people don't take it too seriously, things are fine. There are plenty of real life examples of where things go wrong, of course. But this is a game. ponders Though one could say the same thing about football (soccer for the yanks), where every game is like world war 3, but ... :) warp drive active \| nature vraie
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:50:00 - [43] I am pretty racist. I hate gallente! ~No, you are not special. I insult everyone.
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:52:00 - [44] Originally by: Digital Solaris I am pretty racist. I hate gallente! gasp Your e-racism is e-apalling to e-me. :) warp drive active \| nature vraie
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:52:00 - [45] I hate Achura and I will one day create a corporation solely dedicated to suiciding them. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Digital Solaris I am pretty racist. I hate gallente! gasp Your e-racism is e-apalling to e-me. :) Your e-makeup is so e-revolting! Even the dronelike Amarr knows how to put on a proper e-eyeliner. ~No, you are not special. I insult everyone.
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I hate Achura and I will one day create a corporation solely dedicated to suiciding them. Reroll Achura, you will feel better then. ~No, you are not special. I insult everyone.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:00:00 - [48] Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2008 17:59:58 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I hate Achura males and I will one day create a corporation solely dedicated to suiciding them. There you go, fix'd 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
Agillious Inner Circle Helter-Skelter	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:00:00 - [49] talk about looking for controversy, looking to be offended. and no, ignorance of the game is not an excuse. It means whomever got so offended that they needed post about how offensive this seems to them didn't do their homework. Do I personally care enough that I would be assuaged were CCP to rectify this alleged grievance? Nope. I mean really... you get offended over the lack of "Asian-bloodline" fictional characters in CEO positions, but make no remark of the institutionalized fictional slavery on the part of the Amarr Empire? Methinks the OP doth protest too much. MORE SHINY, PLEASE!!!
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2008 17:59:58 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I hate Achura males and I will one day create a corporation solely dedicated to suiciding them. There you go, fix'd You go girl! ~No, you are not special. I insult everyone.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:04:00 - [51] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2008 17:59:58 Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I hate Achura males and I will one day create a corporation solely dedicated to suiciding them. There you go, fix'd No, I hate you too, Akita T!!! /me shakes fist! ---------------- [insert signature here]
Dlardrageth Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:22:00 - [52] Talking about "political correctness with respect to racism" in an Internet spaceships game dealing with racism/slavery/exploitation in its initial fluff is a bit over the top and bordering on silly. c/d ? Originally by: Cadela Fria EVE needs more racism! oooh and ethnic cleansings! DOWN WITH THE KHANID! Hm, can't we just get rid of the Achura first? The Autonomous Khanid Movement(AKM) needs some time to prepare. Looking at the current market in Khanid half the ships would have to go for suicide ramming...
Sylia Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:30:00 - [53] Why dont they just perma ban idiots like these to clean the forums up.
Cailais VITOC	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:31:00 - [54] e-racism of a fictional racial group in a computer game? Thats a new one. I think the OP should get out a bit more. C. VITOC - Amarr Corp for Faction Warfare!
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:37:00 - [55] rofl. So you figured out none of the NPC corps have Asian officers, so you IMMEDIATELY came to the conclusion CCP is racist? Jumping to conclusions FTW?
Dionisius The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:38:00 - [56] OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! RACISM!!! YOU BASTIDS!!! / shock / awe / runs around in circles / screams / digs a whole in the ground / finds oil / gets rich ... hooray _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
Polly Prissypantz	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Lorna Loot That's because they were made before the Asian bloodlines were introduced. This thread is crap.
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.27 19:07:00 - [58] Edited by: Winterblink on 27/05/2008 19:08:00 You know.. perhaps this raises an interesting point about the dynamicism of the NPC corps and how they never change. Ignoring the racism issue for a moment, the CEOs of corps never change. Agents never change, they never get promoted, change companies, etc. Wouldn't it be interesting if a lower level agent got promoted, and suddenly that standing you had with them could be applied immediately to higher level missions for instance? Sure it may end up being that you now have a totally new agent to work with in place of the old one, but this kind of thing can happen in real life. For example, the person you go to get your hair cut moves and you get stuck with someone who you don't know, or forced to seek out a better person. Corporation-level storyline plots for industry types could be worked up in the ongoing story as well. Say, a business section on the PNC for these types of situations. Could be automated as well, listing upcoming shifts in positions. Some NPCs could quit their positions entirely and new ones could come in from other organizations. Bringing it back to the thread topic, new agents can come from any of the current races and move up the ranks. Logic for the moves? How successful and agent is (mission success from players who work for them) get them promoted faster, maybe? Where they end up might be a way to disperse mission hubs in a dynamic sense which fits in an RP sense. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Kyle Cataclysm	Posted - 2008.05.27 19:09:00 - [59] Originally by: Project Untrust So while I was killing time browsing EVE-online.com during DT, reading a bit of EVE stories, forums and etc, like many of us would do... I came across the section 'Organizations' under 'Backstory', and noticed a very interesting fact: Originally by: Project Untrust I came across the section 'Organizations' under 'Backstory', and noticed a very interesting fact: Originally by: Project Untrust and noticed a very interesting fact: Originally by: Project Untrust interesting fact: ?
Project Untrust	Posted - 2008.05.27 20:18:00 - [60] Edited by: Project Untrust on 27/05/2008 20:18:17 Originally by: Kyle Cataclysm Originally by: Project Untrust So while I was killing time browsing EVE-online.com during DT, reading a bit of EVE stories, forums and etc, like many of us would do... I came across the section 'Organizations' under 'Backstory', and noticed a very interesting fact: Originally by: Project Untrust I came across the section 'Organizations' under 'Backstory', and noticed a very interesting fact: Originally by: Project Untrust and noticed a very interesting fact: Originally by: Project Untrust interesting fact: ? Wow how much time did you spent on editing and quoting? You tried too hard bashing on an easy target. You tried too hard making a point that has already been made for 50+ times before you. You simply repeat the same crap and tried to present it in a different way, one you think will make you appear smarter than the others. You seem very good at nothing but recycling the same crap and feed on it, do you eat your own crap by any chance? If i am idiot for Not knowing the history of eve data updates, then you're a waste of oxygen, notice that only thing you manage to type is a '?' I hope by continuing bashing me, everyone can get little sense of self worth at least then my OP isn't completely useless :)
Bellum Eternus D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.27 20:25:00 - [61] Originally by: Project Untrust Edited by: Project Untrust on 27/05/2008 14:16:10 So while I was killing time browsing EVE-online.com during DT, reading a bit of EVE stories, forums and etc, like many of us would do... I came across the section 'Organizations' under 'Backstory', and noticed a very interesting fact: None of the NPC corps have a CEO or CFO or any other portraited staffs that is an Achura, Khanid, Jin-Mei, and Vheroklor. Amarr - 33 corps - Portraits of CEO and staffs consist of all races/bloodlines except the above mentioned 4 Caldari - 44 corps - same as above (=same as above) Gallente - 31 corps - Minmatar - 21 corps - Jovian - 7 corps - Ammatar - 3 corps - Khanid Kingdom - 4 corps - Intaki Syndicate - 4 corps - Guristas - 2 corps - Serpentis - 2 corps - Angel Cartel - 4 corps - Blood Raider - 1 corp - InterBus - 1 corp - ORE - 1 corp - Concord - 4 corps - SOE - 3 corps - Society of Concious Thoughts - 1 corp - Mordu's Legion - 1 corp - Sansha's Nation - 2 corps - Thukker Tribe - 2 corps -** That's ALL of the 171 npc corps in game, and you couldn't find one single Achura, Khanid, Jin-Mei or Vheroklor among them. Could this be coincidence? certainly not, not after 171 x # of the staffs chance with 0 hit. Could this be a random portrait generator's work and somehow someone in CCP forgot to 'program' these 4 racial portaits in it? I seriously doubt it, as if you pay attention on the CEOs/staff of certain corp, you'll realized their last name, race is closely chosen and associated with some of the stories from EVE Chronicles. This suggest CCP paid explicit attention in details about what they put out there, lore, stories are all well coordinated and described. Which make this even more troubling... so does that mean the 'missing races' are intentional? and if it is intentional what is the purpose? If you compare Ammatar with Khanid Kingdom, the CEOs/staffs in Ammatar are consisted of Ammar and Minmatar(fits the lore), yet Khanid Kingdom corps have CEOs/staffs in every other race but Khanid(doesn't make much sense does it?) Same goes the corp 'Vheroklor' has no Vheroklor in them, and finally zero Jin-Mei in Gallentte corps. Above are just examples that where these race should or suppose to be in Lore and in reality one will probably expect them in other less expected corps such as pirate corps. But no... they're non-existent in any npc corps at the moment. I tried to find some sort of connection and similarity of these 4 bloodlines compare to other bloodlines. and there is none in-game. Except their portraits draws reference from real world Asians(Mongoloid). Same as other bloodlines draws reference from Caucasoid and Negroid. This makes perfect sense as the sentient beings in the story of EVE are human descendants(I mean they didn't just creat some random alien looking portrait..). And in real world Earth, human race are consist of 3 major groups (Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid), And so far CCP has done a very good job representing each group in EVE. Until now. Discuss. Fail. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [gold]Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail mods@cc
Sick Sam Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.27 20:48:00 - [62] People like the Project Untrust aggravates the cause of racism, subconsciously seeing things that are not there and angering people on all sides. Then he compunds his vileness by making excuses for his behaviour, when it is clear to see his only intent was to foist his lies and wickedness upon the good. Even his name proves this as he is trying to sow 'untrust' among the people. Project Untrust your shroud of darkness will hold no sway among the enlightened, begone and take your Devil's Tongue with you.
Kyle Cataclysm	Posted - 2008.05.27 21:19:00 - [63] Originally by: Project Untrust Wow how much time did you spent on editing and quoting? You tried too hard bashing on an easy target. You tried too hard making a point that has already been made for 50+ times before you. You simply repeat the same crap and tried to present it in a different way, one you think will make you appear smarter than the others. You seem very good at nothing but recycling the same crap and feed on it, do you eat your own crap by any chance? If i am idiot for Not knowing the history of eve data updates, then you're a waste of oxygen, notice that only thing you manage to type is a '?' I hope by continuing bashing me, everyone can get little sense of self worth at least then my OP isn't completely useless :) ?
Sitthh	Posted - 2008.05.27 21:26:00 - [64] I aint racist I own a color tv....on a more serious note, op get out.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.05.28 04:37:00 - [65] Originally by: Agillious talk about looking for controversy, looking to be offended. and no, ignorance of the game is not an excuse. It means whomever got so offended that they needed post about how offensive this seems to them didn't do their homework. Do I personally care enough that I would be assuaged were CCP to rectify this alleged grievance? Nope. I mean really... you get offended over the lack of "Asian-bloodline" fictional characters in CEO positions, but make no remark of the institutionalized fictional slavery on the part of the Amarr Empire? Methinks the OP doth protest too much. Yeah, it's kind of like saying Iceland is racist because everyone there (I'm assuming re: permanent residents) is white. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.28 04:47:00 - [66] Edited by: Amastat on 28/05/2008 04:50:21 holds forehead with hand, closes eyes, and disappointingly shakes head Crap thread BLOODLINES! The closest thing to racism of EVE, that could possibly be brought up, would be how Gallente-Caldari, and Amarr-Minmatar relations are - but you can't call it racism because they are are enemies with each other. It's not dislike because of race, but because of bad histories/wars. If you look at how players treat each other, the actual pilots, there is a whole lot of Caldari-hating and Minmatar-hating. There is bashing that goes on towards Gallente and Amarr pilots too, but not nearly as much as I see Caldari and Minnies being bashed by a lot of players. Often times its the Minmatar and Caldari bashing each other - why that is, who knows. I personally jab at Minnies a bit here and there - I mean: who hasn't made fun of their ships? :P Caldari get picked on for having a few abstract and ugly ships too as well - and there is a lot of bashing Caldari for sucking at everything PvP wise, and their ECM is very nub. But the Minmatar on the other hand get bashed for having the most ugly ships - but having nub nanoships too. And don't get me started on Minmatar and soapbar jokes Speaking of which - there is a few jokes about Minmatar never taking baths and they are scared to death of soap; I still don't know where those jokes come from still. My guess is because they toiled in dirt and grease as slaves before they rebelled, and now they do the same thing on their welded-garbage ships. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.05.28 05:04:00 - [67] God I love the political correct group. With racism defeated in the real world they can now focus on the plight of the under privlaged minority portraits of a space combat MMO with a population barely over 300 thousand individuals. Yes, they will teach us to one day not to judge someone by the color of their textureized portraits, but the content of their turrets! -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Jmanis Catharg Stickler inc	Posted - 2008.05.28 05:40:00 - [68] Wow, I can't believe I read this thread. And I've got nothing but disrespect for the OP tbqh. People like them are the reason why words like ***** (what you would find lots of in the pavement) are censored.
Segge Bolled Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.28 06:18:00 - [69] The internet: consistently proving that some people have far too much free time to expend.
Joshua Foiritain Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.28 07:27:00 - [70] Originally by: Project Untrust Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Project Untrust This still doesn't change the fact that many new players will find it odd when they're simply curious about npc corps and did a bit of lore searching. No they wont. Also, why do you even care what races the NPC corp agents are? Agents? are we even talking about the same thing? i was refering to CEOS/staffs under 'Backstory' and 'Organization', there're people who play the game for it's RP aspect and enjoys the lore(story) The people listed there ARE agents, all the ceos can be talked to ingame if you have the standings and they'll hand you a (crappy) mission. Originally by: Project Untrust Because if you don't what is EVE to you then? just bunch of ships shooting each other in a big black vacume space? Technically space in eve isn't black, but pretty much yeah. Originally by: Project Untrust All the resource of EVE, both in game and on site are wasted on ppl like you. And the ability to start forum topics is wasted on you. -----
Angela Toren Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.28 08:04:00 - [71] This is new, i was expecting the old 'minmatar are designed purposely black and slaves!!' FYI asian blood lines were added years after the corp and organisation sections were made. This threads fail level is bordering on legendary. I brought some burger buns, burgers, sausages and ribs as this BBQ is well on the way. You should hope the mods save you and lock it before eve's faithful burn you to a crisp. _______ Oh Mindy...
omglollolol	Posted - 2008.05.28 08:13:00 - [72] Everyone's a little bit racist, it's true, but everyone's just about as racist as you, :p if we all would just admit, that we are racist a little bit, and everyone stops being so pc, may be we could live in... harmony ? ____________________________ You may not share my intellect, which might explain your disrespect, for all I say ;p _________________
Ordon Gundar Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.05.28 08:21:00 - [73] I dont know which country you come from, OP, but in Britain everyone is **ed off with PC people digging up racism where it doesnt exist. Eve is a game, the races are fictitious, it doesnt matter, and who gives a toss anyway? Fly fast..Rats Die..Buy Low..Sell High**- Ordon Gundar, CEO of Gundars Independent Traders - Space (G.I.T.S)
copasetic sideways	Posted - 2008.05.28 09:33:00 - [74] i love the fact that this guy is still getting burned
Cutter Isaacson Hollow World Mining Corporation QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.05.28 11:03:00 - [75] I would like to take a moment to thank the op for bringing up a subject that has been close to my heart for years. Ive been surfing these forums for years and this is the first time ive seen someone have the guts to mention the obvious racism inherent in this game. Is there not enough of it in real life? Why do we feel the need to bring it into a game? ooh, a shiny thing, brb i wanna see what it is.................wow, i found a button, its round and shiny.............where was i? is this the Pokemon fanclub website? I was looking for a picture of pikachu.......hallo nurse.....no im not causing trouble.........well, no i dont think i do...............no, i dont want to go back into that little room...........no, the walls taste of lemons and the sheep on the ceiling hate me..................... We apologise for the brief and sadly high levels of insanity you were just witness too, Mr Isaacson is a bit unwell. He likes to come online and find people who are as unstable and full of fail as himself and it seems he found one. Originally by: Verone Sweet baby jesus and his holy mother of pwn.
Sturmwolke School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.05.28 12:44:00 - [76] Originally by: Project Untrust I hope by continuing bashing me, everyone can get little sense of self worth at least then my OP isn't completely useless :) Bashing? Noooo, I have to really thank _you_ for such an excellent topic /me still rotfl
ZERG RUSHKEKE Royal Enterprise Infinite Innovation	Posted - 2008.05.28 13:25:00 - [77] Congratulations sir you are insane :) ---------------- "O Maker, help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded."

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