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Demon Nuzzle Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.01 23:52:00 - [31] Edited by: Demon Nuzzle on 01/06/2008 23:52:22 Originally by: Silver Night Edited by: Silver Night on 01/06/2008 23:30:55 Originally by: Demon Nuzzle It would be pleasing to see which was the more powerful, and who could stomach the most loss. Especially pleasing, I'm sure, for those such as yourself who view anyone who disagrees with CONCORD as undeserving of life. If it comes to that I'm confident that we will stand up for the people of this system. Why aren't we seeing more Amarr loyalists here though? This is a prime opportunity, after all. You can 'save' these people from not just the Cartel, but the Blooders and us Sansha as well. Come to Skarkon and start enlightening people. Please. My views on concord are not very positive, but those are my views and I assume you are making a statement about the empire loyalists? besides I think it a lot more interesting to see the two pirate groups feud. regardless I'm sure the minmatar can handle you if they make you a priority. But if they decide they need help I'm sure they know who to ask. 24000 bytes max please ... -Capsicum A little bit of this, a little bit of that
Veron Daerth	Posted - 2008.06.02 00:00:00 - [32] I find it interesting that here we have representatives of some of the groups that support and spread the agenda's of, lets face it, criminal organizations, fighting to oust another criminal organization and its supporters from a system they have "taken" from a recognized governmental entity. I believe that I am not alone in thinking that this will be an alarming precedent if the Republic should let it pass, or if they respond ineffectually to it. Let me be clear, Blood Raiders killed my little sister and brother, killed my father when he, inevitably perhaps, spent the next 6 years of his life in pursuit of some kind of mad vengeance, and killed my mother, indirectly, when she just gave up on life when word came of his death. To say that I hate the Blood Raiders and their heretical ideals is ... an understatement. I also despise the Sansha's Nation for their corruptive influences on people's mind and will. The idea that any criminal organization can "take" legitimacy from a vote that, in all reality, cannot be truly considered even-handed and fair (Did the media oversee the gathering of these votes or signatures, was it a free and fair "election" or was it a gathering of a select few, pre-determined names. What percentage of the total population does the list of names represent?) is ludicrous. Let an election council from the empires conduct an "election" and then see what we see. Some may cry foul on that idea, saying that the established empires have all the reasons to not "legitimize" a bully, but really if they do not, all the "bullies" (aka criminal organizations) will follow suit, snipping off systems here and there while the empires are focused elsewhere. Some have said that the Raiders and Sansha's that have so nobly offered to ride to the rescue here pose no threat to humanity in general, only a select few that currently are fighting them. Do the victims of the Sansha's Nation and Blood Raider Covenant raids on unprotected convoys and frontier worlds somehow pose a threat to them? Did the slaves and villagers living near my Family's Hold? Perhaps my 8 year old sister? No, these groups pursue their own sinister agenda's, and the less that we, the law-abiding peoples of the galaxy, resist them now, the stronger they will become later. I know most of the supposedly enlightened peoples of the galaxy laugh at Amarrians and our "silly religion". I even forgive you for your ignorance and am content to let you deal with the Almighty yourself, ( Be assured He will teach you all you need to know when you meet Him.) so I wont waste time giving you a full sermon. But believe me when I tell you, the smartest thing the Evil One has EVER MANAGED TO DO, was to convince most of you he doesn't exist. I leave it to you to decide if the Raiders and Sansha's aren't a threat, now or later. I have made my decision.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.02 00:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Silver Night These delightful, if contentless, one liners are always a pleasure from the august shepherds of the PIE cattle. Naqam doesn't enslave anyone. And why you would be commenting on it if we did is beyond me. A Sansha group that does not enslave anyone? Good joke that. Not that there is anything wrong with enslaving people, just amusing to see you pretend that you do not to try and fool the weak minded. As for the comment, it was not really aimed at you, but more at our lovely terrorist friend living in the republic. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Babel NEPHILIM Wing	Posted - 2008.06.02 00:34:00 - [34] A few points for consideration Mstr. Daerth ... "lets face it, criminal organizations" Ultimately the definition of a criminal is by a second party that believes it's own morals are Right enough to judge all others .. know thyself. ""take" legitimacy from a vote" I think you will find the Cartel were invited to Skarkon. "saying that the established empires have all the reasons to not "legitimize" a bully" Again, know thyself .. and that's no bad thing. "most of the supposedly enlightened peoples of the galaxy laugh at Amarrians and our "silly religion"" Unwisely ... "the smartest thing the Evil One has EVER MANAGED TO DO, was to convince most of you he doesn't exist" Would it not be even smarter to convince most to believe that the Evil One exists in opposition to your God, when He in fact IS your God ... a 'fall guy' as it were :) Perhaps your God is not all He seems ? Call me a lunatic drug addled heretic if you wish, or start to look at the clues from Cartel and also Jovian history, maybe certain groups within the cluster were named with very good reasons. . URIEL Recruitish Threaddery
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.06.02 01:52:00 - [35] Gaven. I wasn't aware every Amarrian institution spent it's time slaving. Not personally taking slaves is neither a support or rejection of slavery, being an Amarrian I'd have thought you would be well versed in such issues. ---------------------------- Originally by: CCP Subscription I'm sorry Sir your European I'll have to charge you 58% extra
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.02 01:52:00 - [36] Edited by: Evanda Char on 02/06/2008 01:52:53 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri ... As for the comment, it was not really aimed at you, but more at our lovely terrorist friend living in the republic. That's so sweet. But no matter what we think people might one day do, we don't punish anyone until a crime has actually been committed. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Silver Night Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.06.02 02:00:00 - [37] Edited by: Silver Night on 02/06/2008 02:06:11 I would like to point out that Naqam was in Skarkon well before this debacle. We are, in fact, defending our current home from the perversions of lowly slavers, drug runners, and other degenerate Angel scum. Nothing less than what the citizens of the system would want had they but the power to resist. As for the legitimacy of the petition, well... I'll believe it when it is supervised by a non-interested party, the SOE for example. Even the Scope would be acceptable to many I would imagine. Allowing the Angels to run it is rather like letting the wolf keep tabs on the wishes of the flock. I look forward to seeing those strenuously objecting to either our or Angel involvement do something about it. Or are you all just going to talk and leave these people in the hands of those you believe are ultimately evil? -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.02 03:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Evanda Char That's so sweet. But no matter what we think people might one day do, we don't punish anyone until a crime has actually been committed. The only reason you were not shooting Naqam was that you were enjoying the fact that they targeted us. An enemy of my enemy, and all that. You knew very well that they were a collection of slavers and the supporters thereof from the second they were formed. And Mr. Blackleaf, I find those individuals who say that they are loyal Amarrians who do not support slavery at all equally amusing. Show some dignity and actually defend your beliefs. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.02 03:18:00 - [39] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri The only reason you were not shooting Naqam was that you were enjoying the fact that they targeted us. An enemy of my enemy, and all that. You knew very well that they were a collection of slavers and the supporters thereof from the second they were formed. Actually, Naqam's intent as I understood it was to test a new way, using voluntary pilots - no forced implants, no slavery. Unfortunately, so many people were so busy screaming "Argh, zombies" that I guess they turned back to the only allies who were open to them. We've never subscribed to "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." That's why you never saw us flying with Heretic Army. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. Nothing more. I pick my friends on their own merits, not your failings. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.02 03:43:00 - [40] And you actually believed their propaganda? Somehow I doubt that. You do not strike me as that naive, and Elsebeth certainly is not. It was in your interests to pretend to believe it, however, so I can understand why you did not make a fuss about it till their actions gave you no choice. Just try not to insult your own intelligence by pretending that there was any true belief that Naqam represented some new sort of reformed Sansha. Have fun watching pirates kill each other in Skarkon. Maybe a few terrorists will be killed while they are at it. I look forward to continued amusement from that system. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.02 04:03:00 - [41] Any old terrorists? Or do the lovely ones get an exemption? -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Demon Nuzzle Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.02 05:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri A Sansha group that does not enslave anyone Sansha-Lite, hilarious 24000 bytes max please ... -Capsicum A little bit of this, a little bit of that
Demon Nuzzle Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.02 05:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Evanda Char I pick my friends on their own merits good words. 24000 bytes max please ... -Capsicum A little bit of this, a little bit of that
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.02 06:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Evanda Char Any old terrorists? Or do the lovely ones get an exemption? Is this finally an admission that what you do qualifies as terrorism? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Rolvaag Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.06.02 13:06:00 - [45] "In light of the citizens of Skarkons' continued defiance of the rule of law, our methods are nothing but fair. For every ISK Skarkon families give to the Cartel, we will take a pint of blood." Rolvaag
Ryn0 Cruoris Seraphim Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.06.02 15:35:00 - [46] They see me rollin They hatin Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty..
Darina Rea Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri The only reason you were not shooting Naqam was that you were enjoying the fact that they targeted us. An enemy of my enemy, and all that. Our relations with EM existed quite some time before there was the Retirement program for old PIE pilots. A fun program all involved had to say. Now, to the other matter, what Naqam in particular is trying to do is reviving the Nation in it's from before it's destruction. But this time with a large enough navy so you Empire ******* can't destroy it again. The matter of True Slaves is up to the individual, some choose this particular path out of zealousy, quite similar to your priests, because they belief in the Dream of the Nation and are willing to play a role in it many others do back out of. For you, the unaware I will however say that at this point in time the Angel Cartel has a much greater influence in Empire space then CONCORD and the Empires themselves are even willing to admit. I will have to point out the SCC scandal with some Caldari corporation and the Angel Cartel a while ago. A secret and hidden influence can be tolerated however, as nearly all parties that want to have some influence and exact some change lobby through various methods, and I'll leave the used methods in the middle as none are particularly kind or friendly one any side, but an open challenge as Skarkon is cannot be tolerated. That said PIE has nothing to do with Skarkon at all, so the reason you're whining here is simply propaganda purposes, another thing you Amarr aren't that proficient in. _________ Time is on our side.
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.02 18:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Rolvaag For every ISK Skarkon families give to the Cartel, we will take a pint of blood. That's fair market trade, but it'll get you nowhere with the hearts and minds of the residents. Even so, have you all got your answer from the IC today? Is this all legitimate enough for you yet? There are many, many residents of Skarkon who are pleased the Cartel has moved to start keeping some peace and offer work opportunities. I don't know how much more proof you people need. Mr. Night said himself that he'd accept word from The Scope. Isn't IC even more reliable? I know what you and yours are trying to do Cyshade, and it won't work. You cannot intimidate us. We will deal with your organization when the time is right. Until then, please enjoy Ms. Char's company. Maybe she'll actually be able to prove that Republic security forces aren't so worthless after all. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:04:00 - [49] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Is this finally an admission that what you do qualifies as terrorism? Is this an admission that you're terrified? -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Dairya Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.02 19:10:00 - [50] Edited by: Dairya on 02/06/2008 19:11:48 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda I know what you and yours are trying to do Cyshade, and it won't work. You cannot intimidate us. Does this mean, Miss Sakoda, that the long-awaited confrontation between Naqam and Ghost Festival forces will finally come in Skarkon? Does the "us" here mean that you will be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with your Cartel brethren while they round up the loyal inhabitants of Skarkon II to take to your brothels and drug factories? Will you be joining them under the fire of the so-called "pirate" nations that, in spite of being vocally reviled by the more conventional dwellers of the cluster, hold you in contempt. In that case, I suggest you bring the best you have. Like a Thanatos. Or maybe a Nyx.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Evanda Char Is this an admission that you're terrified? Absolutely petrified, no really, I am! My ship only is moving 100m/s. It is in fright, I swear! Its perfectly safe to come within web range. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Cyal Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.06.02 22:15:00 - [52] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Originally by: Evanda Char Is this an admission that you're terrified? Absolutely petrified, no really, I am! My ship only is moving 100m/s. It is in fright, I swear! Its perfectly safe to come within web range. Heh. Isn't there some religious mandate or PIE regulation forbidding flirtation with Minmatar insurgents that you're violating?
Silver Night Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.06.02 22:59:00 - [53] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Even so, have you all got your answer from the IC today? No, not really Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Is this all legitimate enough for you yet? Yes, 3 people cherry picked by the Cartel to talk to the reporter - at least it shows that the Cartel takes their PR seriously. However it doesn't say anything about the legitimacy of the petition. It is anecdotal - emotionally effective but statistically irrelevant. I guarantee you that I could go down to Skarkon II right now and find three people who would heartily endorse being taken over by the Amarr Empire. That doesn't mean it is what the population as a whole wants. What I said was, if the petition were administered by an unbiased third party I would think it was legitimate. This is nothing but a show for the media and the gullible. At best it shows discontent with the handling the Republic has given these people. So some few think that the Cartel can't be any worse. They are wrong of course, since the Republic doesn't, for example, actively enslave people for illegal sale to the Amarr. I fear these poor people will find out how wrong they are soon enough. Is living in poverty that much worse than living in poverty and having your children sold, your world contaminated with the production of horrible chemicals, and your 'government' facilitating it all? -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.02 23:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Cyal Heh. Isn't there some religious mandate or PIE regulation forbidding flirtation with Minmatar insurgents that you're violating? He has *never* violated me. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.02 23:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Dairya with your Cartel brethren while they round up the loyal inhabitants of Skarkon II to take to your brothels and drug factories? Haha, funny. Trying to paint us the Cartel as the ultimate evil in human trafficking even though it is fact that the Nation implants its citizens and makes them no more than machines. I see what you did there ma'am, but I admire the attempt at spin. Originally by: Dairya I suggest you bring the best you have. Like a Thanatos. Or maybe a Nyx. If I brought a Nidhouggur or a Hel would that just confuse you more? Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Silver Night Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.06.02 23:19:00 - [56] Edited by: Silver Night on 02/06/2008 23:20:54 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Haha, funny. Trying to paint us the Cartel as the ultimate evil in human trafficking even though it is fact that the Nation implants its citizens and makes them no more than machines. I see what you did there ma'am, but I admire the attempt at spin. Except, of course, that that is nothing but propaganda, while I personally stumbled across a Cartel Slave Mine in Skarkon just yesterday. Part of the ideal of the Nation is improvement via voluntary technological modification. The True Slave program - which I believe was an unfortunate mistake - involves solely non-Citizens. In fact, it initially was Slaves purchased legally from the Amarr. As I said though. The TS program, which only involved the Navy of the Nation, was I think a mistake and I believe we can render it obsolete if only the Nation can get back on its feet. The Nation never used citizens in such exercises. The only consequence of being a citizen of the Nation is a better quality of life and access to very advanced technological self improvement. Well, if I am entirely honest, then as a citizen of the Nation you would also face the blind hatred of the various entities and people who are afraid of whats different, fail to understand, and don't want to - because it threatens their own power structures with a world where things can be better. I think we have already covered the potential consequences of being under the 'protection' of the Angel Cartel. It is like the extortion of a shop keeper writ large - and the consequences of not dancing hard enough to the Angel tune will be nothing but enslavement, death, and the skies of their world blackened by the vomit of illicit Angel Cartel factories. Edit: Actually, I apologize, having their world turned into a toxic husk that can barely support life would be the happy consequence if they do work as hard as they can for the Cartel. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.02 23:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Silver Night Yes, 3 people cherry picked by the Cartel to talk to the reporter - at least it shows that the Cartel takes their PR seriously. However it doesn't say anything about the legitimacy of the petition. It is anecdotal - emotionally effective but statistically irrelevant. I guarantee you that I could go down to Skarkon II right now and find three people who would heartily endorse being taken over by the Amarr Empire. That doesn't mean it is what the population as a whole wants. You're right, you could most certainly find three Minmatar on that planet that believe so. You could probably find three Sansha sympathizers. But emotions are just as important as statistics Mr. Night, unless you really are the cold, calculating Sansha type always portrayed in holoreels. The gathering of these people's perceptions counts just as much toward my argument as sheer statistics. History is defined by experiences, not simply numbers. Unless you think the reporter talked to only three people, picked up, and took off, which would be pretty bad as far as journalistic integrity is measured, you have no argument. The population as a whole is not what matters, because then it is impossible for government to work. Just try to make everyone happy. I have no illusions that some will be displeased. That is their own position. But a majority must be pleased. Originally by: Silver Night What I said was, if the petition were administered by an unbiased third party I would think it was legitimate. This is nothing but a show for the media and the gullible. No, you'd just find something else that upset you. Originally by: Silver Night At best it shows discontent with the handling the Republic has given these people. So some few think that the Cartel can't be any worse. They are wrong of course, since the Republic doesn't, for example, actively enslave people for illegal sale to the Amarr. I fear these poor people will find out how wrong they are soon enough. Who said we enslave and sell to the Amarr? The Cartel has business dealings cluster-wide and doesn't rely on slaves at all as a staple trade. That'd be a bad way to conduct business and secure liquid assets over the long term. Again I'm very impressed with your spinning of the situation Mr. Night, but trying to deny any connections to the slave trade yourself just makes you look like a tool. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.02 23:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Silver Night Except, of course, that that is nothing but propaganda, while I personally stumbled across a Cartel Slave Mine in Skarkon just yesterday. Funny that you should care, considering your organization's background and dealings, Mr. Night. I'm disinclined to believe you on your word alone, anyway. Originally by: Silver Night Well, if I am entirely honest, then as a citizen of the Nation you would also face the blind hatred of the various entities and people who are afraid of whats different, fail to understand, and don't want to - because it threatens their own power structures with a world where things can be better. Not all of what is written in the history books is wrong, Mr. Night. Don't try to play that card. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Gaven Lok'ri PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.06.03 05:26:00 - [59] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 03/06/2008 05:33:21 Originally by: Evanda Char He has *never* violated me. This, however, might very well be because you run away far too quickly. You might try sticking around sometime. It could be interesting. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Evanda Char Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.03 05:35:00 - [60] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Originally by: Evanda Char He has *never* violated me. This, however, might very well be because you run away far too quickly. Well, your Geddon is a bit too big for me to take without help. Hull damage is difficult to fix. -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time

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