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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.02 11:57:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Dan Glebitts
A gank fitted cane can put out 700DPS thats more than enough to take out a passive tanked drake before his low DPS takes you out.
Passive Drakes in pvp don't really make much sense at all.
If the drake is pvp fit then it will be even easier to kill.
If the drake is PvP fit then you are rather likely to die because, while you do have about 150ish (up to 200 even) DPS in a gank Hurricane over a gank HAM Drake, it has 10K buffer over you and a slight bit of passive recharge (which won't last long, admittedly. Every bit helps in that match though). However, the fight is uncomfortably close for both ships, but the Drake SHOULD have a upper hand.
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Skallebank
Mentis Fidelis
R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:02:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Skallebank on 02/06/2008 12:02:49
Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: BiggestT
My rigged to the gills, enjineering skills maxed drake has 17.5k hp and 157 sec recharge.
It has near t2 resists.
Even if u nuet me to turn off my hardner its gonna take many ppl or a dman fine bs to take me down
Oh and remember my 7 t2 haevy launcehrs with precisions (fro those nano-hac silly ppl) and furyy's for ur supposed "hurricane" will do enough damage to make u call for help 
Precisions dont work against the faster 50% of nano ships and only very marginally for the worst 50% of nanoships. Since you fit no bcus precisions will give you an actualk DPS of 30-40 against a bad nanoship. If he starts humping roids oc you might get lucky...
meh my tempest does around 800 dps with faction emp . gotta say i dont think u could tank it.
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Crellion
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:06:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Skallebank
Edited by: Skallebank on 02/06/2008 12:02:49
Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: BiggestT
My rigged to the gills, enjineering skills maxed drake has 17.5k hp and 157 sec recharge.
It has near t2 resists.
Even if u nuet me to turn off my hardner its gonna take many ppl or a dman fine bs to take me down
Oh and remember my 7 t2 haevy launcehrs with precisions (fro those nano-hac silly ppl) and furyy's for ur supposed "hurricane" will do enough damage to make u call for help
Precisions dont work against the faster 50% of nano ships and only very marginally for the worst 50% of nanoships. Since you fit no bcus precisions will give you an actualk DPS of 30-40 against a bad nanoship. If he starts humping roids oc you might get lucky...
meh my tempest does around 800 dps with faction emp . gotta say i dont think u could tank it.
Thats probably right for any but the most hardcore Sisi set up. However I have had an UberDrake almost tanking a Domi I was trying out with 1200 or so DPS (neuts, ogres and mfsIIs with a shield tank). EMP is ubar :)
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Elias Modron
Rage For Order
Nihil-Obstat
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:17:00 -
[34]
Keep it jammed and peck at it until it goes down. Me and some buddies (Retribution, Ishkur, Kitsune, Kestrel) killed a passive drake pretty easily the other day.
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BiggestT
Fun Inc
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:20:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Elias Modron
Keep it jammed and peck at it until it goes down. Me and some buddies (Retribution, Ishkur, Kitsune, Kestrel) killed a passive drake pretty easily the other day.
lol that musta been one crap tank..
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BiggestT
Fun Inc
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:22:00 -
[36]
Edited by: BiggestT on 02/06/2008 12:23:57
Edited by: BiggestT on 02/06/2008 12:22:48
Originally by: Skallebank
Edited by: Skallebank on 02/06/2008 12:02:49
Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: BiggestT
My rigged to the gills, enjineering skills maxed drake has 17.5k hp and 157 sec recharge.
It has near t2 resists.
Even if u nuet me to turn off my hardner its gonna take many ppl or a dman fine bs to take me down
Oh and remember my 7 t2 haevy launcehrs with precisions (fro those nano-hac silly ppl) and furyy's for ur supposed "hurricane" will do enough damage to make u call for help
"meh my tempest does around 800 dps with faction emp . gotta say i dont think u could tank it."
If u read the part "damn fine bs" then u would have realised..oh my tempest is that..
And didnt really need to post, so yeah..redundant is your message :P
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Damares
The Devils Brigade
The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.06.02 12:39:00 -
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on low sp drakes ive had some luck with a brutix o' doom. 7 medium ions and 5 hammerhead 2's usualy does the trick, ive tried one with 7 neutrons and a tonne of EHP with no resists, that worked too, but you'd be screwed if it turned out you couldnt break his tank.
If its a decent drake, just screw him and leave him floating there coz as said, his dps is low.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:01:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
As for popping the drake, just move on to another target and let the drake sit there.
Its not like it will do anything to stop you
This tbh.
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Crellion
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:29:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
As for popping the drake, just move on to another target and let the drake sit there.
Its not like it will do anything to stop you
This tbh.
I disagree as long as named HMs and LextII sell will the Drake will command my attention :)
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Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 13:36:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Dan Glebitts
A gank fitted cane can put out 700DPS thats more than enough to take out a passive tanked drake before his low DPS takes you out.
Passive Drakes in pvp don't really make much sense at all.
If the drake is pvp fit then it will be even easier to kill.
If the drake is PvP fit then you are rather likely to die because, while you do have about 150ish (up to 200 even) DPS in a gank Hurricane over a gank HAM Drake, it has 10K buffer over you and a slight bit of passive recharge (which won't last long, admittedly. Every bit helps in that match though). However, the fight is uncomfortably close for both ships, but the Drake SHOULD have a upper hand.
Yeah, my money would very definitely be on the Drake in a solo engagement between them like that (everything else being equal).
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Terraform
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.02 14:45:00 -
[41]
Originally by: masternerdguy
Originally by: Vagablonde
any kind of neut, a small one will shutdown his invulns then they will die to a few hundred dps easy (so a hurricane)
if they are well skilled into drakes and fully rigged however even with no invulns active the drake can put up a stupid tank coasting on the shield compensation skills working on the inactive invulns.
the good thing is they will be dealing hilariously low damage.
but yeah if they are skilled into drakes then nothing short of a battleship will take them down.
passive drakes dont use capacitor energy to run shields. duh
If you're going to give weird advice, use your main atleast.
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AnKahn
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.02 15:08:00 -
[42]
Drakes come in two flavors, those piloted by noobs or crosstrained PvEers and those piloted by a dedicated Drake pilot.
So that Drake might be baiting you. The most fun moment I ever have in EvE is when the "ganker" realizes I have him scrambled. If you are tackled by a Drake you are going to die.
If you stay in one place too long in EvE (except maybe a gatecamp) bad things happen to you. So sticking around beating on a Drake is also a bad idea.
How many dedicated Drake pilots are there? Not that many. But the numbers are increasing.
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TimMc
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.06.02 15:22:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Dan Glebitts
A gank fitted cane can put out 700DPS thats more than enough to take out a passive tanked drake before his low DPS takes you out.
Passive Drakes in pvp don't really make much sense at all.
If the drake is pvp fit then it will be even easier to kill.
If the drake is PvP fit then you are rather likely to die because, while you do have about 150ish (up to 200 even) DPS in a gank Hurricane over a gank HAM Drake, it has 10K buffer over you and a slight bit of passive recharge (which won't last long, admittedly. Every bit helps in that match though). However, the fight is uncomfortably close for both ships, but the Drake SHOULD have a upper hand.
Hurricane isn't the best BC to bring against a PvP drake, tbh. Better a Harbinger or Brutix.
Out of curiousity, how many PvP drake pilots fit an EM hardener instead of a second invuln field? That could seriously screw EMP ammo.
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Lithalnas
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.06.02 15:26:00 -
[44]
abaddon? or geddon
a well fitted drake may run to 5 min of fighting
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AnKahn
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.02 15:46:00 -
[45]
Edited by: AnKahn on 02/06/2008 15:49:26
I always fit an EM hardener plus an invul field when PvPing. Omnitanking sort of dictates that.
And yes, the easy way to break a Drake tank is to nuet it.
Edit- I'm not sure but many people stay away from EMP ammo, so I've read. I'm more concerned about lazors. Finally, arties, esp on a Tempest, are no match for a Drake tank at least from the testing I've done. I doubt people will come out defending Artillery.
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.06.02 15:55:00 -
[46]
I always use 2 Inv fields.
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.06.02 16:23:00 -
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em comp at max and t2 passive em hard. 2 t2 invulns and other comp skills at 4. 3 lse t2, 1 pds 2, 3 sheild power realy 2, 3 purger rigs. yes your dps is abysmal put it tanks 2 domis with ogre 2's. they had more nos than guns fitted but even unpowered the invuln 2 are about 12% instead of 20 something percent.
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AnKahn
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:26:00 -
[48]
I think tho that you should always fit at least a point just so you get used to tanking without at least one mid slot. If you are a HAM fan, then a point and a MWD.
A web on a Drake? Then you are out of tank and depending on people not targeting you, so fleets only.
If you are soloing in a Drake so that means tackling with your tank slots, I salute you.
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Gypsio III
Bambooule
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:36:00 -
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If you are soloing in a Drake so that means tackling with your tank slots, I salute you.
Only 3 of them... there's 6 midslots there, and DC and rigslots add more tank options. 
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:47:00 -
[50]
Originally by: MIrk Kross
What are the minimum requirements with regard to ship choice(preferably Minimatar ship) and outfitting to comfortably take down a passive tanked Drake 1 vs 1? That's assuming the Drake pilot is under a year old.
Taking out a Passive tanked drake is no easy task for a any ship - in fact only Amarr ships can make the task easy. Most battle cruisers cannot muster the firepower required to be perfectly honest, and if the hardners are active the drake will weather the storm as long as your willing to expend ammo on the cause.
The first step is to try to kill his cap. A neut should do the trick nicely as most Drakes are barely cap stable. This would work your PVE Drake has a compromised tank similiar to mine (3 invuls, 2 SPR's 2 Extenders, 1 recharger, 3 defense purgers). Without the hardners it won't take much to punch through the shield. If somone was forgoing the pair of BCS's that I consider a minimum on any Drake then even with the invuls turned off there's not much chance of pounding your way through before the drake picks you apart.
Of course, there is still hope. Most PVE Drakes turned combat simply trade in mission specific harnders with invulnerability. Thus, while the EM hole isn't very large it is most certainly there. Neuting away the active hardners and pounding them with EMP ammo would probably work.
I consider myself to be a highly skilled Drake pilot - with my hardners on my tank will withstand more than 600 DPS until the cap gives (which it won't without help). With kinetic heavy missiles I deliver an astonishing 369 EFT DPS. If you can knock my hobbies out of the air, the number drops well under 300 DPS.
Thus, given most pilots will be using kinetic missiles in PVP I'd suggest hardening against Kin damage. It shouldn't be hard to create a tank that can absorb all the punishment a HM drake can put out, thus giving you time to compromise it's tank and pick it apart.
If your fighting a HAM drake your only hope is to stay between 20 and 24 KM OR having a VERY fast ship. Closer than 20km will demonstrate that a Drake need not be undergunned. Above 24km and he's just going to warp out.
In all reality, either drake theory has it's downsides. The PVE drake can't muster much firepower or mobility but it can almost certainly absorb whatever you want to throw at it. A HAM Drake puts out enough gank to make a direct slugging match ill advised and unfortunately for Minmitar pilots puts you in a tricky spot of fighting in fall off with a mere 4 KM zone of safety to play in.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.06.02 17:51:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Skallebank
Edited by: Skallebank on 02/06/2008 12:02:49
Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: BiggestT
My rigged to the gills, enjineering skills maxed drake has 17.5k hp and 157 sec recharge.
It has near t2 resists.
Even if u nuet me to turn off my hardner its gonna take many ppl or a dman fine bs to take me down
Oh and remember my 7 t2 haevy launcehrs with precisions (fro those nano-hac silly ppl) and furyy's for ur supposed "hurricane" will do enough damage to make u call for help
Precisions dont work against the faster 50% of nano ships and only very marginally for the worst 50% of nanoships. Since you fit no bcus precisions will give you an actualk DPS of 30-40 against a bad nanoship. If he starts humping roids oc you might get lucky...
meh my tempest does around 800 dps with faction emp . gotta say i dont think u could tank it.
Actually, a passive tanked drake can easily tank 800 DPS. If I fit my ship purely for tank and give up anything resembling firepower it can tank a gank fit close range battleship. Needless to say, unless your firing EM torps too, that 800 DPS won't stand a chance at punching through the Tank. On the other side of the coin, the Drake isn't going to do much more than peck at your Pest's shields and maybe armor if it goes on for a VERY long time. I doubt even a gank pest would have much trouble perma tanking the pure tank drake.
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AnKahn
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.06.02 18:12:00 -
[52]
Edited by: AnKahn on 02/06/2008 18:13:37
Eveyone seems to forget this about the Drake. Cap "warfare" workks both ways.
If you outlast any gank BS's cap charges, the contest is over. However, if you are able to tank a gank BS then you probabaly don't have a MWD on. So they get away.
But, as a former corpie found out who has twice my SP, If you do not have a speed mod fitted (I think he went for extra tank on a shield tanked Tempest) and I get a point on you within 10 KM, it's a lost DUEL, again not actual PvP.
Perversly, a Torp Raven firing EM ammo 4 or 5 volleys a Drake. Sig radius the size of a POS so torps hit hard.
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Sitthh
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Posted - 2008.06.02 18:36:00 -
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Get a paladin/apoc/abbadon/harb. Lazors make my drake cry. Your gonna have a hard time getting through a drakes shield with proj. Neut/nos doesn't work against a passive drake and speed fits dont work well againt hams. And remember solo drakes are TARPS!@!!@! Good luck
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.02 22:45:00 -
[54]
Originally by: AnKahn
Drakes come in two flavors, those piloted by noobs or crosstrained PvEers and those piloted by a dedicated Drake pilot.
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How many dedicated Drake pilots are there? Not that many. But the numbers are increasing.
shhhhhh
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Commander Shag
No Trademark
The OSS
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Posted - 2008.06.02 23:45:00 -
[55]
Originally by: AnKahn
Drakes come in two flavors, those piloted by noobs or crosstrained PvEers and those piloted by a dedicated Drake pilot.
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How many dedicated Drake pilots are there? Not that many. But the numbers are increasing.
shhhhhh
/hugs his Drake
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.03 01:38:00 -
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I love drakes, they melt fast, really fast to armageddons :P
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.03 01:49:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
I love drakes, they melt fast, really fast to armageddons :P
hells yea! especially when fit up something like
3x Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
1x Ballistic Control System II
2x Ballistic Deflection Field II
1x Heat Dissipation Field II
3x Large Shield Extender II
7x 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
3x Core Defence Field Purger I
oh and they usually are low sp pilots too 
also usually not even fit that well 
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Psiri
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Posted - 2008.06.03 11:58:00 -
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Ehm, why do most people always seem to be under the impression that all a Drake can do is to fit a massive passive tank and maybe a disrupt for baiting other player. Aside from a purely defensive role (chasing away hostiles from a station) passive drakes don't have a whole lot of use in PvP, but when fitted correctly they're one of the few solo gank ships caldari has got.
Passive tanked Drakes will not be taken down solo by anything below BS, unless you fit alot of neuts (one will not suffice if the pilot has proper skills) and even with only one hardener running or switching one on and off (just keeping it on during peak regen) I doubt that any neut-fitted ship like that could bring down enough DPS. Just tackle the Drake and call in some help and he'll die soon enough.
- Fortunately for PvP'ers there are so many crappy drakes.
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Diomidis
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:17:00 -
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Drakes are very good...in fact I wouldn't choose my Harbi over a HAM drake unless I wanted ECM meds or knew I would be fighting against another Drake. The EM hole cannot be fully covert in most cases, and unless the passive drake is over-tanked to fight against sansha / blood, Amarr BSs or a even a Harbinger can easily take em...to without a web you probably won't take him before he re-approaches a gate. You need to keep him agresed or out to a belt or something.
A properly fitted HAM drake with EM faction HAMs can also take out another drake, unless the "victim" is stupidly over-tanked or tanked for EM (in which case u should simply change ammo).
And each and every PvE drake with more than 1-2x SPRs is stupidly over-tanked unless it's fitted for bait (thus not PvE).
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Posted - 2008.06.03 12:52:00 -
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I used to fly a tech II fitted drake with all passive amps and around 16k shield over 220 seconds, resists from 55-75 so not amazing but totally capless and easily capable of tanking the vast majority of people up to/including BC I met. I myself had neuts fitted, perfect for knocking out a tacker so when their mwd goes offline and you've got prescisions to back yourself up with they go boom.
Just fill the launchers up with precisions, sit there with a gang or bait and pop the tacklers when they come and you'll see that even though DPS sucks for a BC, something that hard is a total nightmare to tackle, granted you can't web the things but small cap don't last long under neuts and the drain of MWD's webs and scrams. The drake is great for sweeping a tackler off your gang, unless the tackler is a BC or higher, in which case, call friends to help because you have the time! Anyone who shoots a drake is wasting their time tbh. Get everything else first, it'll be a damn sight easier to kill and knock the gangs DPS down far more than the drips of DPS from the drake.
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