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L0rdF1end
STA'IN The Devil's Warrior Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:33:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Hello?
Is it me you're looking for? |

Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas F0RCEFUL ENTRY
20
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:07:00 -
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Guys, settle down. The simple solution is to give him what he wants, but balance it so that EVE doesn't become Pay to Win. I'm thinking one PLEX would be enough SP to get a 1x skill to lvl 1. You can use the PLEX to jump start the skill, but not to get ahead of other people unless you had enough money to basically buy CCP.
-Vern
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kardjaval
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:32:00 -
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excuse me while i go purchase 60 plex, and instantly make a 90 million sp pilot.
oh, wait, excuse me while i go, and purchase 60 plex with in game currency cause i'm a prop, and do the exact same.
their are two big problems with your idea, 1. it does not help the newbies because it's still avaialble to teh pro, and because pros can purchase plex with isk, they are not restriced by their mothers credit card limit.
2. now those users who are on their own, rich, can pay to instantly get pilots who are far beyond their own skillsets, a big thing about eve, is that fact that for one,it's a ridicoulously complex game, and the time used to train up skill is time meant to be spent learning the game, such a thing would be bad, because sure, a player wil be able to just brute force his way past lower sp pilot, but the moment,t they go up against the guy with equal sp, and 8 years worth of expereince, they are gonna get their asses handed to them, which would cause ragequitting, the likes of which have not been seen. |

kardjaval
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:33:00 -
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Veronica Kerrigan wrote:Guys, settle down. The simple solution is to give him what he wants, but balance it so that EVE doesn't become Pay to Win. I'm thinking one PLEX would be enough SP to get a 1x skill to lvl 1. You can use the PLEX to jump start the skill, but not to get ahead of other people unless you had enough money to basically buy CCP.
-Vern
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a lvl 1, 1x skill, takes what, 8 minutes to train? |

kardjaval
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:35:00 -
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Asudem wrote:Velicitia wrote: Character bazaar is perfectly acceptable to most of the playerbase, since someone took the time for that toon to get the SP. Instant SP (with zero time investment from someone) is what people have a problem with.
As mentioned, if there would be such an option at least for Sisi, I would be satisfied with that. I just need a way to test and learn the stuff I wanted to train for. I dont need guidance in skilling, cause thats pointless for me - I already know what I want and need. Im an individual Tetris brick that needs to be placed right. So the char bazaar wouldnt really work for me either.
participate in the event on sis, they give out tonnes of free sp.
that said, sis is not intended to be used as a private testing ground for your pilots/yourself, it's intended to test difference made to the game by ccp, and having apilot who, say has never done anything with stealth bombers, than go on sis, make a stealth bomber, an proceed to use it, and then comment about it's balance without any standard to compare it too (ex. previous stealth bomber experience) woudl just cause far more problems than it solves. |

Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
287
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Posted - 2012.03.09 17:46:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:BANG! HEADSHOT TO THE KNEE!] I lol'd.
But yeah, character bazaar, like the plex system, is there purely due to the "if you cannot beat them, join them and monopolize their market" philosophy.
Character selling cannot be stopped, so CCP legitimized it. Now the money does not go to RMTing botters who used to train up, and then sell, their ratting characters, it goes to CCP. Well, a cut of it does anyway.
Plus if CCP go the full hog at some point and ban entire accounts that have been caught botting from ever selling a toon (rather than at the moment, where they lock the character caught to the account) the RMT crowd won't be able to train and sell characters on their botting accounts. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
487
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Posted - 2012.03.09 20:42:00 -
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What CCP could do is perhaps implement the selling of certificates - You sell off a particular skillset applicable to a ship (Amarr HACS, Medium Laser and Medium Gun spec which removes it from your skill set (you can no longer fly the ship, but you can repurchase or retrain it later) while keeping the character you owned (or adding to a new character). Basicly like selling your favorite underwear, only now someone else gets to wear it and it doesn't include some of those stupid xxN@/\/\3xx out there. Could be a form of microtransactions as needed or deciding to discard something you don't need. But it wouldn't fly, cause this is EVE and we are all bitter grumps  |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
76
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Posted - 2012.03.09 21:12:00 -
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Stop posting this crap. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |

Qen Tye
Biotronic Solutions and Engineering Empire Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.03.09 21:40:00 -
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Asudem wrote:Thats the usual case if anything happens in EVE. I wasted months in skilling for R&D as well, before I figured to have an alt doing that for my main. At least I will have +5 imps soon... lol So just because you screw up (as we all prolly did) you want an easy way out ?
I would rahter have you could choose to reset all skill points every 12 months then as opposed to buy them for plex - like remapping your attributes. Buying skill points is a bad idea because it will add lazy daisies and end up with a player base having no clue what the skills actually do cause why bother to even read the tooltips ? Put the plex to use in better places than skill points please.. more apparels - keep them coming.
Asudem wrote:Besides, EVE is the only MMO Im playing and ever played so far. Tested WOW, but that sucked already from the first day, so I kicked it 2 hours after I installed it. So I cannot tell the difference between those games. Playing a mmo for two hours dont really give you an idea of how deep it is imho - but we all see things differently. |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
404
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Posted - 2012.03.10 01:01:00 -
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i have 3billion isk laying around, which is about 6 plexes that is 9million SP, which iirc would mean i would now be able to fly and fit titans. thanks. |

Asudem
Asen of Asgard
7
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Posted - 2012.03.10 01:13:00 -
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Qen Tye wrote: So just because you screw up (as we all prolly did) you want an easy way out ?
I would rahter have you could choose to reset all skill points every 12 months then as opposed to buy them for plex - like remapping your attributes. Buying skill points is a bad idea because it will add lazy daisies and end up with a player base having no clue what the skills actually do cause why bother to even read the tooltips ? Put the plex to use in better places than skill points please.. more apparels - keep them coming.
Yeah, thats what I also had in mind. Not sure why I posted this idea instead of the plex thing. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5394
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Posted - 2012.03.10 01:42:00 -
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Qen Tye wrote:I would rahter have you could choose to reset all skill points every 12 months then as opposed to buy them for plex - like remapping your attributes. Remapping SP is just as bad an idea as buying SP, but for different (if overlapping) reasons.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
2
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Posted - 2012.03.10 05:26:00 -
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stupid idea and I'm a noob |

Qen Tye
Biotronic Solutions and Engineering Empire Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.03.10 07:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Qen Tye wrote:I would rahter have you could choose to reset all skill points every 12 months then as opposed to buy them for plex - like remapping your attributes. Remapping SP is just as bad an idea as buying SP, but for different (if overlapping) reasons. For what reasons ? and why is that a bad idea iyo ?
If you are afraid that pilots just revamp their skills every 12 month then maybe make it a one time use?
It could be nice to be able to correct small things / errors one made when started playing and having no clue whatsoever to bet on instead of either have to reroll and start all over or live with the choices.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5404
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Posted - 2012.03.10 07:25:00 -
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Qen Tye wrote:For what reasons ? and why is that a bad idea iyo ? BecauseGǪ (insert standard copypasta)
It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.
GǪalso, it doesn't solve any actual problem. Respecs make sense in the classic class/level-based systems where you pick a single route and a progression ladder or ability tree determined by which class you chose at the very beginning, and what level you have accumulated since. Incidentally, it's this lock-in that makes it so common (and from a design standpoint, so sensible and kind of important) that older characters and higher levels are inherently better than newer/lower-levelled ones.
EVE is not like that. If you want to do something else in EVE, you can just go do it (wellGǪ after the appropriate training, of course), as can everyone else. The retraining time is important: just because you have spent the last five years getting into a supercarrier doesn't mean that you should be allowed to just say Gǣscrew itGǥ and the next day be the best and most well-rounded T2 manufacturer in the galaxy.
Since you're not locked into a single path, and since you're free to train for whatever professions or abilities you'd like at any time, respeccing has no purpose and no place in EVE. Introducing respeccing to this scheme will only mean that you implement all the problems of a class/level system without gaining any actual benefits (because the benefits you're after are already in the game). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
327
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Posted - 2012.03.10 08:44:00 -
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To the OP: NO |

Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
94
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Posted - 2012.03.10 10:23:00 -
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Asudem wrote:Simple, an option that allows you to transform PLEX into skillpoints. 1 PLEX = 1.500.000 SP and you can do with them whatever you want or can do. This helps especially young players to get some skills for pvp or PVE, while safing time.
Otherwise known as pay to win.
Possibly the dumbest idea ever put forward on eve-o - and that's saying something.
Did you think wrapping a **** idea in a game mechanic made it a good idea or what ?
Cool story. Next... My EVE YouTube Channel |

Qen Tye
Biotronic Solutions and Engineering Empire Industry
3
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Posted - 2012.03.10 11:15:00 -
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@ Tippia
Yeah I see what you mean with the one path vs. multi choice path which EVE as the only mmo on the market offers (to my knowledge at least)
However - I did suggest only to make it possible to do this one time and could even make it so you choose what skill points to reimburse for use otherwise ? Say - ok
- (x)# skills trained can be redone only once in your career maybe even account. Skills to be reimbursed are restricted to be trained to level 3 only (which is most common I think)
or
- (x)# skill points can be reimbursed only once in your career maybe even account.
I guess most players have trained in something that they never use and never will use. Why not give the opportunity to remap those little buggers that irritates our left little toe making it twitching and itchy ?
But guessing we are getting off topic here. |

Asudem
Asen of Asgard
7
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Posted - 2012.03.10 12:30:00 -
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Please burie this topic. It makes no sence to debate any further and I can understand it since weighty reason where brought up.
@ Qen Your thing sounds nice, probably you should build an idea out of that which could fit into the game without breaking it. Maybe the remap could be limited to 3 mil SP. Once per year or once ever in your career you can remap skills worth up to 3 mil SP. Thats the work of about 2 months. Means even chars with 60 mil + SP from the bazaar can only remap about <=5%. |

Buzzy Warstl
Huron Syndicate
51
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Posted - 2012.03.10 17:39:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:i have 3billion isk laying around, which is about 6 plexes that is 9million SP, which iirc would mean i would now be able to fly and fit titans. thanks. This is the scenario that people are complaining about, I'm sure.
With the current system I sub 10 accounts, train them up to be titan pilots, and sell them to people who want titan pilots.
I have to wait a bit longer, but if I stagger my pipeline I can have quite the lucrative passive income going.
Mind you, this is only accessible to *everyone in the game* already.
So there's your "pay to win" just with a slight time lag. I imagine the folks already running character assembly lines are afraid of what competition will do to their profit margins. |

Varve
Oredustries
2
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Posted - 2012.03.10 18:07:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:[quote=Vertisce Soritenshi] It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me?
Yeah you shouldn't say two things that contradict each other. You now have no argument or possible point to make.
All this would do is add even more people to the "I have SP where i don't want them, let me respec with PLEX" crowd. Which as many people will tell you is'nt good as it leads to FOTM. "...You could still be a hero!" "I'd rather be a protagonist." |

Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2012.03.10 18:09:00 -
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Dear OP, please go back to WoW and never darken our universe again. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |

Asudem
Asen of Asgard
8
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Posted - 2012.03.10 18:14:00 -
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Dear Miss Whippy, please let this thread die. I already suffered enough for posting this dumb idea in a EVE forum. |

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2012.03.11 03:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Qen Tye wrote:For what reasons ? and why is that a bad idea iyo ? BecauseGǪ (insert standard copypasta) It removes the point of having skills to begin with. It removes the point of having attributes. It removes attribute implants from the game. It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups. It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character. It removes planning and choice and consequences. It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas. It kills character trading. It massively boosts older characters over new ones. It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do. GǪalso, it doesn't solve any actual problem. Respecs make sense in the classic class/level-based systems where you pick a single route and a progression ladder or ability tree determined by which class you chose at the very beginning, and what level you have accumulated since. Incidentally, it's this lock-in that makes it so common (and from a design standpoint, so sensible and kind of important) that older characters and higher levels are inherently better than newer/lower-levelled ones. EVE is not like that. If you want to do something else in EVE, you can just go do it (wellGǪ after the appropriate training, of course), as can everyone else. The retraining time is important: just because you have spent the last five years getting into a supercarrier doesn't mean that you should be allowed to just say Gǣscrew itGǥ and the next day be the best and most well-rounded T2 manufacturer in the galaxy. Since you're not locked into a single path, and since you're free to train for whatever professions or abilities you'd like at any time, respeccing has no purpose and no place in EVE. Introducing respeccing to this scheme will only mean that you implement all the problems of a class/level system without gaining any actual benefits (because the benefits you're after are already in the game). You just got schooled by Tippia.
and on a similar note, P2W is stupid, gamebreaking, and after what happened with the NeX store, im pretty sure CCP is too scared of the fallout that would happen if they DID implent someone as pants-on-head *special* as this. |

S'totan
Neo Spartans Ctrl.Alt.Elite
8
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Posted - 2012.03.11 16:56:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together. Dude...you are such a ******* moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me?
Kill yourself... this is the dumbest idea ever. It always has been, and ALWAYS will be.
Fucks like you are the reason Games fail. Good job at not thinking that one through. OH!!!! and they have this. Its called the Character Bazaar. You can use all the money you want to buy a toon with the skills you want.
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Agustice Arterius
Couch Athletics
6
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Posted - 2012.03.11 21:05:00 -
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You can already very nearly do this......just buy an account or a character that already has a lot of SP...the only downside is you can't pick the name or apperance
why people get up in arms about this, yet support that, is interesting to me |

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
250
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Posted - 2012.03.11 22:31:00 -
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S'totan wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together. Dude...you are such a ******* moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me? Kill yourself... this is the dumbest idea ever. It always has been, and ALWAYS will be. Fucks like you are the reason Games fail. Good job at not thinking that one through. OH!!!! and they have this. Its called the Character Bazaar. You can use all the money you want to buy a toon with the skills you want.
You do realise he was arguing against himself to show all the usual arguments that go on about this sort of idea, don't you. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |

Leto Aramaus
Grimm Hounds
5
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Posted - 2012.03.11 23:11:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together.
Well said.
Plex to SP is quite possibly the worst, most un-fair-and-balanced idea ever. |

TheAssassin
The Maniac Miners Empire Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:29:00 -
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Some guy before said it and i totaly agree...
Simply, NO! |

Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Defiant Legacy
55
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Posted - 2012.04.03 14:31:00 -
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Just: NO! |
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