This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together.

Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me?

Dude...you are such a ******* moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me?

Pfft they can bring plex for SP in all they want, I dont care and neither should other people.

I will never use it, why? I dont need to waste real life money when I have a family to provide for.

All these idiots that would pay RL money for SP are kids that have parents with a fat wallet, fat lazy bastards on government benefits and just people in general that dont know the value of a dollar/pound.

End of the day, your 256,000,000 SP toon cost you hundeds of pounds to get, maybe even thousands and you still get thrashed in every situation that doesn't involve a massive blob behind you...mine cost me nothing.

Dude...you are such a ******* moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me?

No! The skill system is the very backbone of EVE and should not be tampered with in such way. Why ? Cause it would the same as buying a WoW char on ebay.

STFU you noob!
<-----------------WoW is that way!
What do you think you are entitled just because you have more money than me? People like you make me sick. You want to make everybody elses time, the YEARS they spent playing to get what they got, worthless just because you think you should be able to pay money for that same priveledge that they worked hard for?

Why can't I pay for the skills? You afraid I would be better than you? You would have the same right to buy SP as me. You just rely too much on your SP. You probably suck at PvP.

Why do you want to come in here and ruin my game for me? You know what? Screw it...im blocking your dumb ass!

Hello?



(I hope the rest of you have figured out by now that I have been quoting myself this entire time. I am opposed to using PLEX for buying SP. I was gonna drag out the fun with quoting myself but it seems some people missed the joke and started arguing with my alter ego.) =D

or we all know the idea is ********, and want the thread to DIAF.

Nice way to live out your mental issues, Vertisce Soritenshi. :> Anyway, I dont need to flame. I accept your opinion.

Anyway, the answer was loud and clear. And I didnt want to claim that massive SP are a guarantor for anything, just using stuff. And there are no skills to gain if you cant use stuff. If there would be such an option at least for Sisi, I would be satisfied, totally. I could see if what Im currently training for is what I wanted to do in future, it would set goals for TQ then.

1. Buy $200 USD worth of plex.
2. Sell PLEX on Market, avoiding scams and transporting in a thin tank ship making you a ******* moron
3. Have Isk, will travel to Character Bazzar
4. ?!?!?!
5. PROFIT! Buy character with any amount of SP you want using isk you aquired. CCP gets your money from the PLEX, CCP gets money from the person paying for the transfer, and BANG! HEADSHOT TO THE KNEE! You get instant SP, except it comes with a grimey, dirty, sour, urine like smell sometimes the past reputation of the previous owner.

Yet, everyone is so against PLEX = SP and its already possible. To bad it comes with someone else making the name and reputation, otherwise it might be a more desirable feature if it was possible for yourself to name the toon

"if it's a fair fight, someone screwed up".

Character bazaar is perfectly acceptable to most of the playerbase, since someone took the time for that toon to get the SP.
Instant SP (with zero time investment from someone) is what people have a problem with.

Character bazaar is perfectly acceptable to most of the playerbase, since someone took the time for that toon to get the SP.
Instant SP (with zero time investment from someone) is what people have a problem with.

Hello?

Guys, settle down. The simple solution is to give him what he wants, but balance it so that EVE doesn't become Pay to Win. I'm thinking one PLEX would be enough SP to get a 1x skill to lvl 1. You can use the PLEX to jump start the skill, but not to get ahead of other people unless you had enough money to basically buy CCP.

-Vern

Edit - Spelling and Grammar

As mentioned, if there would be such an option at least for Sisi, I would be satisfied with that. I just need a way to test and learn the stuff I wanted to train for. I dont need guidance in skilling, cause thats pointless for me - I already know what I want and need. Im an individual Tetris brick that needs to be placed right. So the char bazaar wouldnt really work for me either.

BANG! HEADSHOT TO THE KNEE!]

Thats the usual case if anything happens in EVE. I wasted months in skilling for R&D as well, before I figured to have an alt doing that for my main. At least I will have +5 imps soon... lol

Besides, EVE is the only MMO Im playing and ever played so far. Tested WOW, but that sucked already from the first day, so I kicked it 2 hours after I installed it. So I cannot tell the difference between those games.

So just because you screw up (as we all prolly did) you want an easy way out ?

I would rahter have you could choose to reset all skill points every 12 months then as opposed to buy them for plex - like remapping your attributes. Buying skill points is a bad idea because it will add lazy daisies and end up with a player base having no clue what the skills actually do cause why bother to even read the tooltips ? Put the plex to use in better places than skill points please.. more apparels - keep them coming.

I would rahter have you could choose to reset all skill points every 12 months then as opposed to buy them for plex - like remapping your attributes.

Remapping SP is just as bad an idea as buying SP, but for different (if overlapping) reasons.

For what reasons ? and why is that a bad idea iyo ?

Simple, an option that allows you to transform PLEX into skillpoints. 1 PLEX = 1.500.000 SP and you can do with them whatever you want or can do. This helps especially young players to get some skills for pvp or PVE, while safing time.

i have 3billion isk laying around, which is about 6 plexes
that is 9million SP, which iirc would mean i would now be able to fly and fit titans.
thanks.

[quote=Vertisce Soritenshi] It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP!
Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me?

BecauseGǪ (insert standard copypasta)

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes attribute implants from the game.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.


GǪalso, it doesn't solve any actual problem. Respecs make sense in the classic class/level-based systems where you pick a single route and a progression ladder or ability tree determined by which class you chose at the very beginning, and what level you have accumulated since. Incidentally, it's this lock-in that makes it so common (and from a design standpoint, so sensible and kind of important) that older characters and higher levels are inherently better than newer/lower-levelled ones.

EVE is not like that. If you want to do something else in EVE, you can just go do it (wellGǪ after the appropriate training, of course), as can everyone else. The retraining time is important: just because you have spent the last five years getting into a supercarrier doesn't mean that you should be allowed to just say Gǣscrew itGǥ and the next day be the best and most well-rounded T2 manufacturer in the galaxy.

Since you're not locked into a single path, and since you're free to train for whatever professions or abilities you'd like at any time, respeccing has no purpose and no place in EVE. Introducing respeccing to this scheme will only mean that you implement all the problems of a class/level system without gaining any actual benefits (because the benefits you're after are already in the game).

Dude...you are such a ******* moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me?

Kill yourself... this is the dumbest idea ever. It always has been, and ALWAYS will be.

Fucks like you are the reason Games fail. Good job at not thinking that one through.
OH!!!! and they have this.
Its called the Character Bazaar.
You can use all the money you want to buy a toon with the skills you want.

This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together.

Just: NO!

Time to skill is hardly what I would call a "core value" despite a lot of people's attachment to it, and trading money for time is a proven money maker for game designers.

Yeah, it's a cynical position, but do you really want to hold CCP to a higher standard than any other player in their game?