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Asudem Asen of Asgard 7	Posted - 2012.03.09 12:05:00 - [1] - Quote Simple, an option that allows you to transform PLEX into skillpoints. 1 PLEX = 1.500.000 SP and you can do with them whatever you want or can do. This helps especially young players to get some skills for pvp or PVE, while safing time.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 94	Posted - 2012.03.09 13:12:00 - [2] - Quote Well done, you just broke Eve. Please do a littel searching before posting crap like this again. Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
L0rdF1end STA'IN The Devil's Warrior Alliance 29	Posted - 2012.03.09 13:47:00 - [3] - Quote There were major issues when this possibility was announced a while back, delete thread! quick, before the hundreds start smacking/flaming you.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1208	Posted - 2012.03.09 13:55:00 - [4] - Quote This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Serge Bastana GWA Corp 245	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:05:00 - [5] - Quote EVE is not about instant gratification, there are other games for that. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1208	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:09:00 - [6] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together. Dude...you are such a ***** moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5389	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:12:00 - [7] - Quote This is a horrible idea in every way imaginable. Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me? The EVE skill system doesn't work like that. In fact, the exact opposite is true: no matter how old a character is, it is impossible for it to stay ahead of other players. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 95	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:14:00 - [8] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Dude...you are such a ***** moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me? You come across as a whiny brat, Waaa, someone else has something, I want it, I WANT IT! NOW! In response to your question, I propose another question... Why shouldn't someone who has played for years more than you be ahead of you on the curve? Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.**
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard 58	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:26:00 - [9] - Quote Pfft they can bring plex for SP in all they want, I dont care and neither should other people. I will never use it, why? I dont need to waste real life money when I have a family to provide for. All these idiots that would pay RL money for SP are kids that have parents with a fat wallet, fat lazy bastards on government benefits and just people in general that dont know the value of a dollar/pound. End of the day, your 256,000,000 SP toon cost you hundeds of pounds to get, maybe even thousands and you still get thrashed in every situation that doesn't involve a massive blob behind you...mine cost me nothing. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country.
L0rdF1end STA'IN The Devil's Warrior Alliance 29	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:45:00 - [10] - Quote Considering you can buy a Char with whatever skills you would want, this option just isn't needed. No point aggravating the community when an alternative option already exists which does lead to why should this matter anyway... I'm really not bothered but hundreds if not thousands are. Personally without the SP grind and just having anything I eever wanted would take away a massive aspect of the game which is to grow with your character. If I bought a char that could do anything i ever wished it would probably ruin the game for me. But that's my personal opinion.
Buzzy Warstl Huron Syndicate 51	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:47:00 - [11] - Quote I know lots of experienced, well employed gamers who are sick of playing "Level 1-10" over and over again. Something like this would appeal to many of them. The funny thing is, It would probably result in more activity in nullsec with people who do have skills but can't be bothered to wait 6 months to play ~~reindeer~~sovereignty games.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1273	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:48:00 - [12] - Quote Simple. No.
Serge Bastana GWA Corp 247	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:53:00 - [13] - Quote Also for those idiots that think SP is the be all and end all of 'winning at EVE' here's a little story to show that player experience is valuable too. The time it takes you to train those skills gives you time to actually learn the game and make cheap mistakes you can learn from before you progress to more advanced ships and gear. Those new players who mistakenly buy characters from the bazaar end up as comedy killmails like shown in that story linked above or talking out of the wrong orifice like we had once in the first corp that I joined not long after starting the game. Someone came in to corp chat and claimed to know better because they had 30 million sp. After hearing the crap they talked for a while we called them out and knew they'd simply bought the character from the forums. Taking time to learn the game helps you further down the road, don't devalue it. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...
Qen Tye Biotronic Solutions and Engineering Empire Industry 0	Posted - 2012.03.09 14:59:00 - [14] - Quote Gibbo3771 wrote: Pfft they can bring plex for SP in all they want, I dont care and neither should other people. I will never use it, why? I dont need to waste real life money when I have a family to provide for. All these idiots that would pay RL money for SP are kids that have parents with a fat wallet, fat lazy bastards on government benefits and just people in general that dont know the value of a dollar/pound. End of the day, your 256,000,000 SP toon cost you hundeds of pounds to get, maybe even thousands and you still get thrashed in every situation that doesn't involve a massive blob behind you...mine cost me nothing. 1/10 for that generalization I'm neither in any of those categories you mentioned and I dont mind spend rl money on ingame things being EVE and other games. Back on topic and to OP No! The skill system is the very backbone of EVE and should not be tampered with in such way. Why ? Cause it would the same as buying a WoW char on ebay.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1209	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:00:00 - [15] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together. Dude...you are such a ***** moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me? STFU you noob! <-----------------WoW is that way! What do you think you are entitled just because you have more money than me? People like you make me sick. You want to make everybody elses time, the YEARS they spent playing to get what they got, worthless just because you think you should be able to pay money for that same priveledge that they worked hard for? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
L0rdF1end STA'IN The Devil's Warrior Alliance 29	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:01:00 - [16] - Quote Qen Tye wrote: No! The skill system is the very backbone of EVE and should not be tampered with in such way. Why ? Cause it would the same as buying a WoW char on ebay. You can already buy characters from the character bizzarre, not really any difference other than the fact it allows you to extend your personal character. Not that I'm in favour of this.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1209	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:03:00 - [17] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together. Dude...you are such a ***** moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me? STFU you noob! <-----------------WoW is that way! What do you think you are entitled just because you have more money than me? People like you make me sick. You want to make everybody elses time, the YEARS they spent playing to get what they got, worthless just because you think you should be able to pay money for that same priveledge that they worked hard for? Why can't I pay for the skills? You afraid I would be better than you? You would have the same right to buy SP as me. You just rely too much on your SP. You probably suck at PvP. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1209	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:09:00 - [18] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together. Dude...you are such a ***** moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me? STFU you noob! <-----------------WoW is that way! What do you think you are entitled just because you have more money than me? People like you make me sick. You want to make everybody elses time, the YEARS they spent playing to get what they got, worthless just because you think you should be able to pay money for that same priveledge that they worked hard for? Why can't I pay for the skills? You afraid I would be better than you? You would have the same right to buy SP as me. You just rely too much on your SP. You probably suck at PvP. Why do you want to come in here and ruin my game for me? You know what? Screw it...im blocking your dumb ass! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1209	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:09:00 - [19] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: This is getting into the realm of P2W. Sorry...but if someone is allowed to just outright buy all the SP that it took me years to accumulate, it will ruin the game for me. I am not the only one that feels this way. Redistributing SP that you already invested time into aquiring is another matter all together. Dude...you are such a ***** moron. Just because you are a poor bastard with no money to spend on EvE doesn't mean I should not be able to use my own money to do what I want! It isn't P2W because PvP is based on skill not SP! Why should I spend years playing a game when I will always be behind the curve of all the players ahead of me? STFU you noob! <-----------------WoW is that way! What do you think you are entitled just because you have more money than me? People like you make me sick. You want to make everybody elses time, the YEARS they spent playing to get what they got, worthless just because you think you should be able to pay money for that same priveledge that they worked hard for? Why can't I pay for the skills? You afraid I would be better than you? You would have the same right to buy SP as me. You just rely too much on your SP. You probably suck at PvP. Why do you want to come in here and ruin my game for me? You know what? Screw it...im blocking your dumb ass! Oh I see...you are such a coward that you have to block someone when you can't win a fight eh? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1209	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:10:00 - [20] - Quote Hello? (I hope the rest of you have figured out by now that I have been quoting myself this entire time. I am opposed to using PLEX for buying SP. I was gonna drag out the fun with quoting myself but it seems some people missed the joke and started arguing with my alter ego.) =D EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Velicitia Open Designs 756	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:32:00 - [21] - Quote Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Hello? (I hope the rest of you have figured out by now that I have been quoting myself this entire time. I am opposed to using PLEX for buying SP. I was gonna drag out the fun with quoting myself but it seems some people missed the joke and started arguing with my alter ego.) =D or we all know the idea is ********, and want the thread to DIAF.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1209	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:35:00 - [22] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Hello? (I hope the rest of you have figured out by now that I have been quoting myself this entire time. I am opposed to using PLEX for buying SP. I was gonna drag out the fun with quoting myself but it seems some people missed the joke and started arguing with my alter ego.) =D or we all know the idea is ******, and want the thread to DIAF. I figured the thread was going to become a flaming ball of hate so I figured...why not start that off in a fun way? lol EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!**
Asudem Asen of Asgard 7	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:36:00 - [23] - Quote Nice way to live out your mental issues, Vertisce Soritenshi. :> Anyway, I dont need to flame. I accept your opinion. The answer was loud and clear. And I didnt want to claim that massive SP are a guarantor for anything, just using stuff. And there are no skills to gain if you cant use stuff. If there would be such an option at least for Sisi, I would be satisfied, totally. I could see if what Im currently training for is what I wanted to do in future, it would set goals for TQ then.
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 1209	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:41:00 - [24] - Quote Asudem wrote: Nice way to live out your mental issues, Vertisce Soritenshi. :> Anyway, I dont need to flame. I accept your opinion. Anyway, the answer was loud and clear. And I didnt want to claim that massive SP are a guarantor for anything, just using stuff. And there are no skills to gain if you cant use stuff. If there would be such an option at least for Sisi, I would be satisfied, totally. I could see if what Im currently training for is what I wanted to do in future, it would set goals for TQ then. Honestly there isn't any real reason for purchasing SP. If you know exactly what you want to do you can do it within a few weeks. Maybe not in the exact ship you want right away or with max skills but you can do it. Talk to the right people and get the right guidance. Frankly having skills to level 4 is more than enough to compete with most in PvP. Anything past that is just an added bonus and doesn't effect the outcome all that much unless you are purely about solo PvP. If that is the case I wish you the best but it probably won't go all that well for you. lol EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!!
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 486	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:45:00 - [25] - Quote 1. Buy $200 USD worth of plex. 2. Sell PLEX on Market, avoiding scams and transporting in a thin tank ship making you a ******* moron 3. Have Isk, will travel to Character Bazzar 4. ?!?!?! 5. PROFIT! Buy character with any amount of SP you want using isk you aquired. CCP gets your money from the PLEX, CCP gets money from the person paying for the transfer, and BANG! HEADSHOT TO THE KNEE! You get instant SP, except it comes with a grimey, dirty, sour, urine like smell sometimes the past reputation of the previous owner. Yet, everyone is so against PLEX = SP and its already possible. To bad it comes with someone else making the name and reputation, otherwise it might be a more desirable feature if it was possible for yourself to name the toon
Velicitia Open Designs 756	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:52:00 - [26] - Quote 1. $ANYTHING for SP (other than active sub time) is bad, and will get you nothing but what this thread has so far offered. 2. you're thinking of EVE like those "Other" MMOs -- it's not. Case in point -- I mixed my plans in the beginning, a little industry, a little PvP. It took me about 6 months to get "competent" in both areas (note, this was back in the learning skill days). After a while, I start coming across people who are 2-3 months in the game, same skills in mining or PVP as I had after 6-9. EVERYONE has a hard cap of L5 in any skill, so for most of the "early" things (Frigates, Cruisers) you're never really "that far" behind. For example, everything for a Rifter from "fresh out of the academy" to L4 (which would put your toon at 80-90% effectiveness against someone with all L5) is about 4-6 weeks. That's ABOUT 2 million SP. L5 tops out somewhere in the 6-10m SP range. You, with your 2m SP toon are now 80% as effective in a rifter as someone with 100m SP (assuming, ofc, they took every skill a rifter can benefit from to L5). At that point, sure you're still "20% behind", but you can make up for that in tactics (i.e. maybe you're just "better" at flying rifters, better at keeping range, or have a longrange fit whereas they're shortrange), or having a friend with you. One of the important things to keep in mind is "if it's a fair fight, someone screwed up".
Velicitia Open Designs 756	Posted - 2012.03.09 15:57:00 - [27] - Quote Aqriue wrote: 1. Buy $200 USD worth of plex. 2. Sell PLEX on Market, avoiding scams and transporting in a thin tank ship making you a ******* moron 3. Have Isk, will travel to Character Bazzar 4. ?!?!?! 5. PROFIT! Buy character with any amount of SP you want using isk you aquired. CCP gets your money from the PLEX, CCP gets money from the person paying for the transfer, and BANG! HEADSHOT TO THE KNEE! You get instant SP, except it comes with a grimey, dirty, sour, urine like smell sometimes the past reputation of the previous owner. Yet, everyone is so against PLEX = SP and its already possible. To bad it comes with someone else making the name and reputation, otherwise it might be a more desirable feature if it was possible for yourself to name the toon Character bazaar is perfectly acceptable to most of the playerbase, since someone took the time for that toon to get the SP. Instant SP (with zero time investment from someone) is what people have a problem with.
Asudem Asen of Asgard 7	Posted - 2012.03.09 16:08:00 - [28] - Quote Velicitia wrote: ~~"if it's a fair fight,~~ someone screwed up". Thats the usual case if anything happens in EVE. I wasted months in skilling for R&D as well, before I figured to have an alt doing that for my main. At least I will have +5 imps soon... lol Besides, EVE is the only MMO Im playing and ever played so far. Tested WOW, but that sucked already from the first day, so I kicked it 2 hours after I installed it. So I cannot tell the difference between those games.
Asudem Asen of Asgard 7	Posted - 2012.03.09 16:10:00 - [29] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Character bazaar is perfectly acceptable to most of the playerbase, since someone took the time for that toon to get the SP. Instant SP (with zero time investment from someone) is what people have a problem with. As mentioned, if there would be such an option at least for Sisi, I would be satisfied with that. I just need a way to test and learn the stuff I wanted to train for. I dont need guidance in skilling, cause thats pointless for me - I already know what I want and need. Im an individual Tetris brick that needs to be placed right. So the char bazaar wouldnt really work for me either.
Buzzy Warstl Huron Syndicate 51	Posted - 2012.03.09 16:13:00 - [30] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Character bazaar is perfectly acceptable to most of the playerbase, since someone took the time for that toon to get the SP. Instant SP (with zero time investment from someone) is what people have a problem with. Why? The player currently running the high SP toon didn't put the time in themselves, for them it's instant gratification and they didn't even need to think hard enough to choose the correct skills! I think people are getting upset over a distinction without a difference.

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