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Pak Narhoo Pacific Starfleet Command	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:34:00 - [31] One word to the OP: ========= S A N D B O X ========= Originally by: Mr Cleann When I mine. I like to mine in peace. Not in pieces.
Grimpak Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:36:00 - [32] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan Wrecks do not belong to the mission runner, only the loot contained inside. Simple as that. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Neddy Fox Paxton Industries	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:36:00 - [33] The only thing I hate is the hordes of "easy money" salvagers in places like Amarr and Jita, when other groups fight their battles. They even make sure they're in docking range, and steal/dock if possible. IMO they're just like vultures, living off others efford. People salvaging in missions risk aggro, if the mission runner plays it smart he can get the salvager killed/frustrated by warping out a few times. Just adapt.
Chzandri	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:36:00 - [34] Just like with ore thieves the solution is once again to play together with one or two other people in game so that they can tractor and scoop/salvage the goods before a thief gets to them. Meanwhile there are thousands of rookies running around, trying to run their missions solo and getting getting killed, getting frustrated with losing ships and iskies, trying to find corps that will have them but not finding any. You can take these guys and put them to work, ask them to haul or salvage for you. Yes you will lose a small portion as payment but it is better than losing everything to ore thieves and a great way to give back to the community at the same time.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:39:00 - [35] High sec missionrunner complaining about other professions having too low risk, the irony. If anything, high sec missions are the scewed profession in Eve. Highly uncompetitive, non exclusive and very rewarding relative to the risk invlolved. CCP should take a look at high sec missions instead. It needs a complete overhaul imo.
ramzahn	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Cpt Fina High sec missionrunner complaining about other professions having too low risk, the irony. If anything, high sec missions are the scewed profession in Eve. Highly uncompetitive, non exclusive and very rewarding relative to the risk invlolved. CCP should take a look at high sec missions instead. It needs a complete overhaul imo. Would you believe that a lot of people are playing this game to just do missions and be left alone?
Luh Windan Republic University	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:50:00 - [37] Originally by: ramzahn Would you believe that a lot of people are playing this game to just do missions and be left alone? That is a bit like trying to play football ( thats the one where you kick a round ball about using only your feet ) on a motorway and complaining when you get run over.
raven415 Special Projects Corp	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Celeste Coeval Been stolen from once, why? I don't mish in Motsu. Case closed. Next caller. ditto
ramzahn	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: ramzahn Would you believe that a lot of people are playing this game to just do missions and be left alone? That is a bit like trying to play football ( thats the one where you kick a round ball about using only your feet ) on a motorway and complaining when you get run over. I do not complain, I ask.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:58:00 - [40] This thread is too good, too good. My favorite parts: Originally by: Amastat In a very popular and large issue/debate, is the salvage mechanics that make this profession so easy and so popular... On one side, is the mission-runners, who feel that it's unbalanced, unfair, and too risk-free that Salvage Thiefs... Mission runners are a top-level provider... This effectively will destroy a large amount of the mission running industry, and could cause large quantities of mission runners to retire Ironic, angered carebears sure do make some ridiculous posts. But at least they are entertaining to laugh at. Originally by: CCP Casqade Please refrain from making assumptions on game mechanics and then presenting them as facts before testing them yourself.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:02:00 - [41] Originally by: ramzahn Would you believe that a lot of people are playing this game to just do missions and be left alone? You wouldn't have to convince me as I allready believe that there are many like that in Eve. However I and many others don't believe that these players are the ones who the developers should listen most to. And judging by past statements made by CCP on what they aim to take Eve neither do they. High sec mission running and exploration to some extent are, as I see it, the professions that differ the most from the "spirit of Eve". Sure, many players probably would want CCP to implement safer high-sec. Just as alot of people would want Rolex, Mercedes and BMW to make cheap alternatives to their products. The thing is that when a companies with distinct images caves into wishes like these they loose or weaken their Uniquie Selling Points, allowing them to make higher profits on a short term but opening up the possibilities to get whiped from the market as they loose their identity. Eve has certain characteristics that differs it from the other products on the market and I think that CCP should proceed very carefully when making changes so that they don't weaken Eve's strong aspects.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:06:00 - [42] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 06/06/2008 10:05:54 I don't normally flame but, You have no idea what you are on about. EvE and what it is about has obviously passed you by. You want to sit in your mission hub and farm isk. You know what i'd rather CCP introduced more ways to get you grinders flagged. THIS IS AN M - M - O that focuses on player interactivity on all levels. I really do not give a flying ** that you are disgusted with salvage mechanics, mission running in high sec is safe enough and provided great amounts of isk prior to and after salvaging was introduced. Do you have any idea how hard it is to actually probe a mission runner? If you are in a system with 100 + missioners than chances are high, in a hub with 20 or less its alot lower. Want your salvage? move system you greedy greedy isk farmer. Originally by:** Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
ramzahn	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:08:00 - [43] I rest assured in the knowledge that soon many a mighty deep space pirate will experience the joys of having someone else in on their mission for themselves. :)
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:13:00 - [44] Originally by: ramzahn I rest assured in the knowledge that soon many a mighty deep space pirate will experience the joys of having someone else in on their mission for themselves. :) Been there, done that. Bothered by it? NO. Why? I like EvE. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Kransthow Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:13:00 - [45] Originally by: ramzahn I rest assured in the knowledge that soon many a mighty deep space pirate will experience the joys of having someone else in on their mission for themselves. :) what My alt is "Is Forporn"
ramzahn	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Cpt Fina Originally by: ramzahn Would you believe that a lot of people are playing this game to just do missions and be left alone? You wouldn't have to convince me as I allready believe that there are many like that in Eve. However I and many others don't believe that these players are the ones who the developers should listen most to. And judging by past statements made by CCP on what they aim to take Eve neither do they. High sec mission running and exploration to some extent are, as I see it, the professions that differ the most from the "spirit of Eve". Sure, many players probably would want CCP to implement safer high-sec. Just as alot of people would want Rolex, Mercedes and BMW to make cheap alternatives to their products. The thing is that when a companies with distinct images caves into wishes like these they loose or weaken their Uniquie Selling Points, allowing them to make higher profits on a short term but opening up the possibilities to get whiped from the market as they loose their identity. Eve has certain characteristics that differs it from the other products on the market and I think that CCP should proceed very carefully when making changes so that they don't weaken Eve's strong aspects. Oh, that's no problem at all, at all. I think people can adapt very quickly, by abandoning one game and taking up another. All that is need is one clear word from the makers of said game.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Amastat An example is, the only effective counter measure to prevent a salvage thief from stealing, is blowing up your own wrecks - so in the very least, no party gains from this at all. See, this is where your argument falls flat on its face. You're just plain wrong. The really effective counter measure is to not leave any wrecks behind for him to salvage by salvaging as you go. Yes, this means (gasp!!) fitting one (or two) less launchers or turrets. No, it doesn't make missioning impossible. Yes, it takes a tiny bit longer to complete, but since you won't lose your salvage, you should make more money this way.* * This, of course, assumes that you do lose your salvage if you don't take care of it immediately, which is doubtful. I have yet to see a single unwanted visitor in my missions, even though I'm in a hub… Maybe it's because I'm in a ship that doesn't look like it would be used for L4 missioning, and which the probers therefore ignore
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:21:00 - [48] Originally by: MinmatarCitizen 90242 Lol mission runners complaining about other people making easy ISK. Funny!!!! PS. Amastat if you had kept this to yourself then others would not jump on the band wagon as quick. Slade
Armoured C Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:25:00 - [49] Edited by: Armoured C on 06/06/2008 10:26:02 this is what you got to do is just fit salvgers i useually pull aggro and wait for them to get close and then salvage the wrecks instantly =) as seen below Mc lootenstein
Val Vympel Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:27:00 - [50] Edited by: Val Vympel on 06/06/2008 10:34:10 Find a "decent"agent in a out of the way system. Don't be such a LP w h o r e. Problem solved. I have run about one hundred missions a month for about a year ...never been ripped off once.
Shakuul Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.06 10:28:00 - [51] God forbid you have to mission somewhere that isn't Motsu... Seriously, go find a caldari L4Q10+ agent...it doesn't have to be Q20....in a nice quiet system and mission run to your hearts content.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:06:00 - [52] If missions were safe they'd be boring. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag
Misanth Electro Fuels	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:12:00 - [53] I run missions with two characters. One that 'salvage on the go', while my main is doing the cleaning. If someone enters and start loot things I don't mind sacrificing my nub corp alt in a suicide bombing. Either they steal my salvage and I lose it, or I suicide on them and neither of us get it. Easy choice.
AC Resonance Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:16:00 - [54] All your salvage belongs to us. Yup we rock
Jane Raiden	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:18:00 - [55] WTF is wrong with carebears, all they do is whine and cry that they are constantly getting screwed. You talk of salvage thiefs making money with 0 risk, what REAL risk do you take as a mission *****? You guys make insane amounts of ISK for little or no risk. What part of eve is a cold, dark, dangerous place do you not get? Why must you always run to the forums abd whine? I LOVE eve as it is, and if you carebear scum got everything they way you want it, eve would suck. Why are you unable change/adapt to emerging trends and profensions, then what's the point of playing a sandbox game? If you want safe, grief free, mind numingly boring gameplay, then fo play WoW, and leave eve to those that understand and like the game the way it is. Idiot
Is forporn THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Adonis 4174 missions are boring. fyp Join THE INTERNET. today
Misanth Electro Fuels	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:24:00 - [57] Originally by: Jane Raiden WTF is wrong with carebears, all they do is whine and cry that they are constantly getting screwed. You talk of salvage thiefs making money with 0 risk, what REAL risk do you take as a mission *****? You guys make insane amounts of ISK for little or no risk. What part of eve is a cold, dark, dangerous place do you not get? Why must you always run to the forums abd whine? I LOVE eve as it is, and if you carebear scum got everything they way you want it, eve would suck. Why are you unable change/adapt to emerging trends and profensions, then what's the point of playing a sandbox game? If you want safe, grief free, mind numingly boring gameplay, then fo play WoW, and leave eve to those that understand and like the game the way it is. Idiot You already answer that question yourself. They don't understand it, obviously, then they wouldn't play EVE.
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:26:00 - [58] Originally by: ramzahn Would you believe that a lot of people are playing this game to just do missions and be left alone? Who cares. Soloing in perfect safety while influencing the world around you is not EVE, you are in the wrong game. Besides that if you get so worked up about salvage thiefs get out of motsu and you wont ever get any.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:34:00 - [59] Originally by: Cpt Fina High sec missionrunner complaining about other professions having too low risk, the irony. If anything, high sec missions are the scewed profession in Eve. Highly uncompetitive, non exclusive and very rewarding relative to the risk invlolved. CCP should take a look at high sec missions instead. It needs a complete overhaul imo. I agree. But not for a week or so - I need to make a quick couple of bill before I head back into 0.0 again. Then they should fix it for sure. PS No-one ever steals my salvage. What's with that? What, my wrecks aren't good enough for you? FINE! CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Freethinker Zun	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:37:00 - [60] Wow. Having read the replies to the OP, it amazes me that so very few of you have anything constructive to say. This guy has what he believes to be a problem, and is at best looking for constructive help, and at worst venting. So, of course, the mature, useful, and rational thing to do is fall over each other trying to come up with the snappiest, quickest, least useful comeback you can think of, and hit that 'Post Reply' button. Just an observation, but these forums have grown to become really unbelievable.

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