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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Freethinker Zun
Wow.
Having read the replies to the OP, it amazes me that so very few of you have anything constructive to say. This guy has what he believes to be a problem, and is at best looking for constructive help, and at worst venting. So, of course, the mature, useful, and rational thing to do is fall over each other trying to come up with the snappiest, quickest, least useful comeback you can think of, and hit that 'Post Reply' button.
Just an observation, but these forums have grown to become really unbelievable.
People are getting fed up with the generic whines from mission runners every day.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:40:00 -
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this thread delivers ...
anybody seen the OP lately ?
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Freethinker Zun
This guy has what he believes to be a problem, and is at best looking for constructive help, and at worst venting.
He's been venting about it before and the answer wast he same back then – salvage it yourself before they get the chance. He has been given constructive help and has chosen to ignore it.
Thus, we enter stage 2: bash, bash, bash, laugh, bash (in roughly that order).
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Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:41:00 -
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Salvage Thieves are like those little fish that follow sharks around feeding on the scraps.
Yeah they're not anything interesting but the keep things tidy.
Like our Salvage guys n' gals, they could help reduce lag* a bit by cleaning up a mess.
*Salvage Thieves and lag reduction have not been scientifically linked as of this printing.
"Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium. |
Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Freethinker Zun
Wow.
Having read the replies to the OP, it amazes me that so very few of you have anything constructive to say. This guy has what he believes to be a problem, and is at best looking for constructive help, and at worst venting. So, of course, the mature, useful, and rational thing to do is fall over each other trying to come up with the snappiest, quickest, least useful comeback you can think of, and hit that 'Post Reply' button.
Just an observation, but these forums have grown to become really unbelievable.
I see pirates in lowsec as a problem but do not whine to get rid of them ... Why does the OP whine about a legitimate game mechanic that is supported by CCP in the current incarnation as it is ?
We could link Dev/GM posts about this but I guess the OP would not care about them and only go about his own view ...
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Freethinker Zun
Wow.
Having read the replies to the OP, it amazes me that so very few of you have anything constructive to say. This guy has what he believes to be a problem, and is at best looking for constructive help, and at worst venting. So, of course, the mature, useful, and rational thing to do is fall over each other trying to come up with the snappiest, quickest, least useful comeback you can think of, and hit that 'Post Reply' button.
Just an observation, but these forums have grown to become really unbelievable.
lol?
Originally by: Lance Fighter
This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route. |
Billy Merc
Pilots Of Honour
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:51:00 -
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Salvaging alt ftw...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777866
Voice your opinion on the GTC sales changes in the above CSM thread |
Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: ramzahn
Edited by: ramzahn on 06/06/2008 10:29:22
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Oh, that's no problem at all, at all. I think people can adapt very quickly, by abandoning one game and taking up another. All that is needed is one clear word from the makers of said game.
You're saying that CCP shouldn't care for Eve because there'll always be other MMOs on the market for the community to play?
Or are you saying that there is no need to differentiate ones product on a very competative market with actors many times bigger than your own company?
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Freethinker Zun
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Posted - 2008.06.06 11:56:00 -
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All the OP is suggesting is that maybe things need a change from the way they are currently. Things change in societies like Empires' when people find ways to take advantage in unforseen avenues. The game is dynamic, so the rules and results must be dynamic as well. This is all about keeping an open mind. What should probably be happening, here, on the forums, is less smacktalk/derision and more constructive thought. Bang those brain cells together and figure out a compromise. Both parties want ease of ISK and extremely limited stress in their particular jobs; something's going to have to give, on one or both sides, before folks calm down. It's as simple as that.
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CetusOfAsuran
GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:02:00 -
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The only change that needs to be made is access to the mission area. The salvaging i dont care about if they get it first fair enough, but when they are doing it to grief it gets annoying i.e. aggroing the whole room, stealing the mission item, stealing an item to try and bait the kill on them only to return with fleet.
Salvage really doesnt make that much to be concerned about.
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Freethinker Zun
All the OP is suggesting is that maybe things need a change from the way they are currently. Things change in societies like Empires' when people find ways to take advantage in unforseen avenues. The game is dynamic, so the rules and results must be dynamic as well. This is all about keeping an open mind. What should probably be happening, here, on the forums, is less smacktalk/derision and more constructive thought. Bang those brain cells together and figure out a compromise. Both parties want ease of ISK and extremely limited stress in their particular jobs; something's going to have to give, on one or both sides, before folks calm down. It's as simple as that.
There are probably around 200 threads with this "problem" that is easily fixed by moving out of motsu. Some of those threads even have Dev or GM responses saying its working as intended. So no open mind needed for regurgitated whines.
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:17:00 -
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Freethinker Zun, to settle with a compromise requires that there is some kind of problem that has to be solved. But there is none and no compromise is needed.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Freethinker Zun
All the OP is suggesting is that maybe things need a change from the way they are currently. Things change in societies like Empires' when people find ways to take advantage in unforseen avenues. The game is dynamic, so the rules and results must be dynamic as well. This is all about keeping an open mind. What should probably be happening, here, on the forums, is less smacktalk/derision and more constructive thought. Bang those brain cells together and figure out a compromise. Both parties want ease of ISK and extremely limited stress in their particular jobs; something's going to have to give, on one or both sides, before folks calm down. It's as simple as that.
The compromise he has in mind is the elimination of an entire profession so he can make a few more zero-risk ISK in EvE-Single Player mode.
No.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Aggroman
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:41:00 -
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im still very new but doing lvl 4s now, just wanted to say.. first time someone warped in and stole my salvage and mission item, my cigerette fell out my mouth and burnt me  But screw it.. this game is too awesome and life is too short to write a book about a few of my wrecks 
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Reven Cordelle
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:45:00 -
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Bawww.
You know, in my history of playing EVE, i have ran missions. Im up to level 4s now, so i'm pretty much on the end game of high sec missioning.
In those 6 months or however long it is, i have NEVER SEEN somebody warp into my mission and salvage it for me. NEVER.
Why? Because I avoid Motsu, Umokka, Jita etc.
Hell, I do level 4s in Kakakela and I still don't see any freakin' salvagers.
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Bart Roberts
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:45:00 -
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For yet more official evidence that CCP has no plans to change this *intended* behaviour, see GM Ytterbium's "Wreck ownership changes" posts and his related sticky:
http://www.eve-search.com/search/author/GM%20Ytterbium
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Cassandra Valieries
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:54:00 -
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I'm mission running out of Oursalleart (or however that system is spelled), the Gallente mission hub for the last 6 weeks.
Haven't had a single case of salvage stealing. I have however seen, almost regularly, people asking if anyone wants their salvage.
Soooo...
The wave of salvage stealing that the OP is whining about must be a very localised phenomena...
And for the record, if any ninjasalvagers see me (or my alt Malahasen Takhos) mission running, help yourselves  You are most welcome to my salvage. Small donations (1-5% of salvage value) would be appreciated but not required at all
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Kentros Chiraten
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Posted - 2008.06.06 12:55:00 -
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I fail to see any problem here. If you have issue with it, go NPC somewhere where there aren't 200 other people running missions already.
Shock; horror - it's more likely you'll encounter other people in crowded systems!
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Tarron Sarek
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2008.06.06 13:07:00 -
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Ah well, I would rather call it alt char epidemic.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.06 13:10:00 -
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Never really had the problem myself, I salvage as I go (marauders for the win). I guess if was steamrolling missions and using alts to salvage the loot I'd be concerned, but the salvage has value for me and thus I make it a point to pick up as I go.
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Kirana Si
House of Lubrication
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Posted - 2008.06.06 13:17:00 -
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The op should be happy about the fact that someone safed him from the dissapointment to salvage gazillion hours and then get suicide ganked when he is on his way to Jita in his 1mil T1 hauler with 3Bil salvage loot inside 
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Tellnan Matkiel
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.06.06 13:21:00 -
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To be fair to mission runners (obviously not the OP), most of them probably do take precautions to avoid the problem. Or, if they do become a target, take some action. One guy I knew went and advertised a contract in C&P to pod someone who salvaged his mission; a different guy, in a room still full of baddies, just lead said baddies onto the would-be thief, warped out, leaving the salvager to get his ship destroyed.
Alternatively you could salvage as you go - it's not that hard. Finally, if none of this appeals to you, spend a few minutes blowing up your own wrecks. That way you deny the salvager too.
Plenty of in-game options.
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Huberek Morchu
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Posted - 2008.06.06 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Freethinker Zun
All the OP is suggesting is that maybe things need a change from the way they are currently. Things change in societies like Empires' when people find ways to take advantage in unforseen avenues. The game is dynamic, so the rules and results must be dynamic as well. This is all about keeping an open mind. What should probably be happening, here, on the forums, is less smacktalk/derision and more constructive thought. Bang those brain cells together and figure out a compromise. Both parties want ease of ISK and extremely limited stress in their particular jobs; something's going to have to give, on one or both sides, before folks calm down. It's as simple as that.
No, its as simple as doing a search before posting the same suggestion repeadtedly. This topic has been covered ad nauseum, and the Devs have posted an official reply, and plenty of players have offered numerous suggestions as to how to avoid having your salvage stolen. The vast majority of EVEs players so not want a change to be made to salvage rules, and so the OP is outnumbered.
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Belmarduk
de Prieure
Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.06.06 13:56:00 -
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Hmmm
Wasnt it changed recently that a ninja-salvager would be criminal if he salvaged a wreck that didnt belong to him?
I have np with people being able to scan me out and loot/salvage my wrecks during a mission - this is eve ! - BUT it totally ****ed me off that they could salvage WITHOUT FLAGGING CRIMINAL to me ! Thats lame....
CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk
Hmmm
Wasnt it changed recently that a ninja-salvager would be criminal if he salvaged a wreck that didnt belong to him?
Nope. It has never even been discussed (or well, it has been discussed but thoroughly shot down by the devs). Quote:
I have np with people being able to scan me out and loot/salvage my wrecks during a mission - this is eve ! - BUT it totally ****ed me off that they could salvage WITHOUT FLAGGING CRIMINAL to me ! Thats lame....
Yes, and people should be flagged as criminals when they mine from the same asteroid as me as well…
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Belmarduk
de Prieure
Four Elements
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:19:00 -
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Hm then I obviously misread a patchnote beginning of the year
Anyway my opinion stands:
If someone scans me out and starts salvaging the wrecks I KILLED where is the mother******* difference between a cargocan and a wreck ??????
So be it then ninja salvager can STILL salvage WITHOUT consequences...
Thats LAME and STUPID - Where is the risk vs reward situation????
******* carebears posing as ninja salvagers...
CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Slade Hoo
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:19:00 -
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I have never had any problems with salvage thiefs...run missions in a non-mission-hub and you are fine, otherwise you take the risk (same as miners in overcrowded mining systems)
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 06/06/2008 14:43:56
Originally by: Belmarduk
I just find it extremly weird of CCP that People can salvage from other peoples wrecks without consequences...
It's not particularly strange since it's not their wrecks. Quote:
Where is the risk vs reward situation????
It's the same as for the mission runner.
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Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Billy Sastard on 06/06/2008 14:43:56
GAH!!!
Why can't people understand that there is no such thing as salvage 'theft'!? CCP added salvage with the intention of it becoming a career, they are not going to change this because some people feel entitled to the wrecks. When salvaging was introduced, I am certain that CCP expected, and maybe even encouraged, people to start probing out mission runners in order to grab their salvage!
As to why people can get into your missions at all, this is another thing that CCP wants to happen as it promotes PvP, and considering the fact that this is a PvP game, that makes sense. IIRC CCP even nerfed probing mission runners to make it even harder after the introduction of salvaging, because with the same patch came new probes and a new probing system that made probing missions 'too' easy. CCP doesn't want it to be too easy to probe mission runners, but at the same time they don't want people completely safe in their mission deadspace.
If you don't like the way CCP runs their game, you can always quit and go play runescape or something.
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Jack Jombardo
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Posted - 2008.06.06 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
I'm sorry, you mean highsec isn't made of absolute safety anymore? Gee wiz, time for a whine!
You mean highsec hasn't anythink to do with safety as most 0.0 is saver then some 1.0 systems?
In conclusion this would mean the hole secure-rating-system is absolut wrong and/or bugged and/or abused?
Well, you are right :)
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