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Dravius Luxor
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.07 18:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Black Leather
Well first off.
In this game, at this time, there is no such thing as salvage theft. There is salvaging, period.
Secondly, there are a 1000 better places to make money salvaging than in peoples missions.
Ninja salvaging is not a viable profession. It's just something people like to do to be annoying (god bless their evil little hearts). They'll get tired of it after awhile and move on to the next big thing.
Apologies if this this has been stated already. Can't be bothered to read the entire thread.
This post sums it up nicely.
Salvage theft is not a viable earner, and only appeals to those who hate mission runners and/or all other people.
I tried it, and the tears outweighed the profits to the point where I just thought - why am I really doing this?
If I have anything to add, it would be this:
Ninja-salvaging is simply piracy for 'carebears'.
The only people who get upset by it are the people who badly need to have all their stuff stolen.
I wish I could trust someone enough to gang them so they could clear up my mess in Lustrevik.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.07 18:58:00 -
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Holy crap, did I just achieve the most epic troll in history? 8-pages??! 
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Tortun Nahme
Umbra Synergy
Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.07 19:01:00 -
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8 pages? epic? I think not
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.07 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mankirks Wife on 07/06/2008 19:13:44
Originally by: Amastat
Holy crap, did I just achieve the most epic troll in history? 8-pages??!
Nope, you got two more pages to go for threadknoght status :P
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Zoe Scirocco
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Posted - 2008.06.07 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Zoe Scirocco on 07/06/2008 20:05:38
OP, why don't you just go and play offline games if you can't handle the human interaction in MMOs? Some salvage "thiefs" are out there not even to try getting your loot but to provocate a nice pvp fight.
Ironically, even when just emptying your wrecks, most mission runners don't even dare to fight back or to call help from their corp friends, even if they have all aggro rights to do so...
Then again, there are offline games where you can just be left "alone".
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Rangkai
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Posted - 2008.06.07 20:39:00 -
[216]
I wish people would come salvage my wrecks.. i dont bother to..
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Myshella Drake
Primos Evinco
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Posted - 2008.06.07 22:51:00 -
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Salvage theft is not a viable earner, and only appeals to those who hate mission runners and/or all other people.
I tried it, and the tears outweighed the profits to the point where I just thought - why am I really doing this?
I disagree to put it nicely, 'Salvage theft' *cough* is a viable earner. It appeals to me because its fun, interesting and unpredictable. You dont know what your going to find with each run or what might happen when you warp in. This is the appeal to a lot of others as well. Yes there are grievers in the profession and it cant be helped. But to say that we do it because we hate people is a load of **** and pretty insulting tbh.
You can still make a decent profit and avoid any 'tears' if you conduct yourself in a decent manner.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.06.08 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dravius Luxor
I tried it, and the tears outweighed the profits to the point where I just thought - why am I really doing this?
I don't understand your confusion.
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.06.08 01:30:00 -
[219]
Hay look, the OP came back to pretend he wasn't serious and was just trolling all along! Dude, we know too well what a squealy stuck pig you are... your odor of whine cannot be disguised.
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.06.08 02:08:00 -
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If CCP makes it to where salvaging flags you, it's going to be worse than can flipping, as not only will the thief be able to aggress, they will be able to make off with actually valuable loot as well. Also, the majority of mission carebear will be much too scared to actually shoot at a thief, they will just continue to whine. However, if CCP does make salvage "thieving" flaggable, you are going to see a LOT more thieves hoping to get themselves a ship kill. Mark my words.
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GB Man
The Torchwood Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.08 03:55:00 -
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Welcome to Eve-Online. Above all else, the market will determine the course of action. If there is an abundance of a certain ore, the price goes down. If there is an abundance of mission runners, prices of modules/Salvage materials goes down and Salvagers goes up. Mission runners start complaining and move onto other professions and the market once again starts to balance itself out.
CCP has stated many many times that Salvaging rights belong to no one. It's first come first serve. You've got rights to the loot itself, so move on and complain about real issues.
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DogSlime
Wilde Cards
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Posted - 2008.06.08 06:13:00 -
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I make most of my money running kill missions.
If someone steals my loot, they get flagged. Salvage should be just that - free-for-all to anyone who can get to it.
I hope CCP leaves the salvage issue like it is. Some people make salvaging their trade. It doesn't need flagging.
No need to change the salvaging rules.
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Devon Vorberg
Eagle Security and Transport
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:36:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Devon Vorberg on 08/06/2008 12:37:41
Oh! Oh! I have an idea!
ATTENTION POD PILOTS! Eagle Security and Transport is announcing a new service! Don't want your wrecks "stolen"? tired of salvage ninj... er... THEIVES?1!? LOOK NO FURTHER!
The solution is at hand! All you have to do is EVEmail "Devon Vorberg" whenever you see him online, and let us know where you are running you high-level missions. For a slight fee*, we will fly to your location, follow you around, and collect all of your salvage for you, no sweat! We'll even collect all that pesky loot for you if you'd like! We have limited ships for providing this service, so call now!
Devon Vorberg
CEO (and sole pilot), EGLST
*Pilot must agree to a collateral contract and sign over 50% of all salvage to EGLST. Additionally, pilot will ensure full security and protection for EGLST salvager. No refunds, no returns. 
Edited typos and formatting.
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Vagablonde
Ouruboros Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:37:00 -
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this thread is a wreck.
*salvages*
Competition: awarding internets to the most comical fictional salvage components of a bad thread.
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Karentaki
Edyta Enterprises
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.08 13:30:00 -
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13:21:41 Notify You successfully salvage from the Failed Thread.
Contaminated Carebear Tears: 21
Illogic Circuits: 5
PHP Scraps: 7
Repetitive output array: 13
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Vagablonde
Ouruboros Trading
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Posted - 2008.06.08 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki
13:21:41 Notify You successfully salvage from the Failed Thread.
Contaminated Carebear Tears: 21
Illogic Circuits: 5
PHP Scraps: 7
Repetitive output array: 13
ha!  *gives you all his internets*
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Dravius Luxor
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.08 14:20:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Myshella Drake
I disagree to put it nicely, 'Salvage theft' *cough* is a viable earner. It appeals to me because its fun, interesting and unpredictable. You dont know what your going to find with each run or what might happen when you warp in. This is the appeal to a lot of others as well. Yes there are grievers in the profession and it cant be helped. But to say that we do it because we hate people is a load of **** and pretty insulting tbh.
You can still make a decent profit and avoid any 'tears' if you conduct yourself in a decent manner.
Well, I apologise for insulting you, but you're taking part in a profession that makes you despised and loathed by most people you encounter while doing it.
The hate was too much for me - some people get really upset when you burst their highsec bubble and steal their shinies.
It was in no way worth it, and just isn't very pleasant!
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Zaknussem
The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.06.08 14:30:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Mission-running is the most flawed profession in EVE. It's boring, it's monotonous, it's risk-free. Salvage thievery is (a) a fun profession in and of itself and (b) adds surprise, novelty, challenge, and risk to the otherwise flawed mission-runing profession.
If they remove salvage theft, they might as well remove mission-running, because it serves no function. (Mindless, risk-free ISK spawning is not a function.)
Originally by: A slightly modified version of the above:
Mining is the most flawed profession in EVE. It's boring, it's monotonous, it's risk-free. Can-flipping is (a) a fun profession in and of itself and (b) adds surprise, novelty, challenge, and risk to the otherwise flawed mining profession.
If they remove can-flipping, they might as well remove mining, because it serves no function. (Mindless, risk-free ISK spawning is not a function.)
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.06.08 17:42:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Zaknussem
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Mission-running is the most flawed profession in EVE. It's boring, it's monotonous, it's risk-free. Salvage thievery is (a) a fun profession in and of itself and (b) adds surprise, novelty, challenge, and risk to the otherwise flawed mission-runing profession.
If they remove salvage theft, they might as well remove mission-running, because it serves no function. (Mindless, risk-free ISK spawning is not a function.)
Originally by: A slightly modified version of the above:
Mining is the most flawed profession in EVE. It's boring, it's monotonous, it's risk-free. Can-flipping is (a) a fun profession in and of itself and (b) adds surprise, novelty, challenge, and risk to the otherwise flawed mining profession.
If they remove can-flipping, they might as well remove mining, because it serves no function. (Mindless, risk-free ISK spawning is not a function.)
Agreed, but at least miners are playing the game with the intent of creating something. They're less cynical than mission-runners, who have no illusions that they're doing anything other than milking a broken game mechanic for ISK.
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GB Man
The Torchwood Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:07:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Zaknussem
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Mission-running is the most flawed profession in EVE. It's boring, it's monotonous, it's risk-free. Salvage thievery is (a) a fun profession in and of itself and (b) adds surprise, novelty, challenge, and risk to the otherwise flawed mission-runing profession.
If they remove salvage theft, they might as well remove mission-running, because it serves no function. (Mindless, risk-free ISK spawning is not a function.)
Originally by: A slightly modified version of the above:
Mining is the most flawed profession in EVE. It's boring, it's monotonous, it's risk-free. Can-flipping is (a) a fun profession in and of itself and (b) adds surprise, novelty, challenge, and risk to the otherwise flawed mining profession.
If they remove can-flipping, they might as well remove mining, because it serves no function. (Mindless, risk-free ISK spawning is not a function.)
Agreed, but at least miners are playing the game with the intent of creating something. They're less cynical than mission-runners, who have no illusions that they're doing anything other than milking a broken game mechanic for ISK.
Because we all know Macro-miners love to create wonderful and useful things 
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Mr Merenque
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Merenque on 09/06/2008 12:24:33
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Mission-running is the most flawed profession in EVE. It's boring, it's monotonous, it's risk-free. Salvage thievery is (a) a fun profession in and of itself and (b) adds surprise, novelty, challenge, and risk to the otherwise flawed mission-runing profession.
If they remove salvage theft, they might as well remove mission-running, because it serves no function. (Mindless, risk-free ISK spawning is not a function.)
lmao
Yeah, lets remove missions from eve for just about 4 weeks. Maybe then you'll understand that missioning is THE key function in eve next to 0.0 ratting. 
No offense, but i doubt you'll get it on your own, so i'll give you a hint. Who will buy your ore/salvage/datacores/T2 mods etc, when noone earned ISK through bountys? Who can buy anything without ISK? 
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Dotard
Suddenly Samurai
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Posted - 2008.06.09 12:54:00 -
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Nerf You! Buff Me!
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:03:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Karentaki
13:21:41 Notify You successfully salvage from the Failed Thread.
Contaminated Carebear Tears: 21
Illogic Circuits: 5
PHP Scraps: 7
Repetitive output array: 13
Brilliant. 
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Resamo
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:16:00 -
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How can someone steel something that does not belong to you?
CCP has stated over and over that salvage does not belong to anyone you have no more rights over it then the salvager does. So from his point of view if you try and salvage the wrecks then you are stealing his salavage and he has just as much right to say that as you do to say that about him/her.
And as a person who runs missions to make isk i have never seen a single "salvage theif" and if i did i would not care as it is not as profitable as running missions.
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