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Carrier Eleven EVE Posting Service	Posted - 2008.06.12 09:30:00 - [61] Originally by: Issler Dainze Also, consider a name less pretentious, "Brutally Clever"? Kind of sad looking at how it ended. Issler They could use the alliance name "The Ford Explorer" then come hang out in highsec with your pack of losers.
Sorrowed Shade.	Posted - 2008.06.12 10:46:00 - [62] Quote: You seem to have both myself and my corp confused for someone else. You are absolutely correct Raj, for some reason i got you and Saj mixed up. I remember now. You were the j/o that got kicked for posting garbage on the forums. The bruce failure had very litte to do with any outside influence. Fact. After loosing FOOM, and the members of Shade they lost a significant number of there top PvPers. Shade members that left represented 52% of all the kills on the bruce kill board. most of them were tac ops guys. Foom left taking with it 8 of 10 of the command staffing postions. Between Foom, Trada and Shade they left with all but 1 of the original FCs. The lead FC Zaphod left the game permanantly a few weeks before the Goon/PL reset. This played a huge role as well, he was the glue that kept most of the FCs together. Once everyone left, the remaining corps were scrambling to fill the missing positions. Just then, to add insult to injury, Omen corp (member corp of bruce) ferryed off with somewhere between 50 and 100bil isk in bruce assets. This was all the POS fuel for 60days, and all the alliance BPOs. POSs started running out of fuel, PL had alot of the systems locked down so getting new stuff in and even comming up with the isk was virtually impossible. All this chaos caused a few more corps to leave, then more, and more.......leading to what we have know. Speculate all you want. Pat yourself on your collective backs and jeer from the stands at how badly bruce sucked. Rest assured, those of us that were there, and "in the know" are very aware of what trully caused the downfall. What actually remains of bruce isnt even the bruce that i was a member of. I believe all of the founding corps have left, none of the leaders and FCs from our original syndicate days are even members of bruce. The new bruce CEO only joined well after we had moved into fountain. I wish them luck and plan to assist them in any way i can from my new corp. To the rest of you trash talkers..... ill see ya on my kill board.
Chony Grave Diggers	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:14:00 - [63] Everytime I see something about BRUCE I think of that ELO song. Dont bring me down bruce!
EzSnake Altruism. Malice.	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:44:00 - [64] Originally by: Sorrowed Quote: You seem to have both myself and my corp confused for someone else. You are absolutely correct Raj, for some reason i got you and Saj mixed up. I remember now. You were the j/o that got kicked for posting garbage on the forums. The bruce failure had very litte to do with any outside influence. Fact. After loosing FOOM, and the members of Shade they lost a significant number of there top PvPers. Shade members that left represented 52% of all the kills on the bruce kill board. most of them were tac ops guys. Foom left taking with it 8 of 10 of the command staffing postions. Between Foom, Trada and Shade they left with all but 1 of the original FCs. The lead FC Zaphod left the game permanantly a few weeks before the Goon/PL reset. This played a huge role as well, he was the glue that kept most of the FCs together. Once everyone left, the remaining corps were scrambling to fill the missing positions. Just then, to add insult to injury, Omen corp (member corp of bruce) ferryed off with somewhere between 50 and 100bil isk in bruce assets. This was all the POS fuel for 60days, and all the alliance BPOs. POSs started running out of fuel, PL had alot of the systems locked down so getting new stuff in and even comming up with the isk was virtually impossible. All this chaos caused a few more corps to leave, then more, and more.......leading to what we have know. Speculate all you want. Pat yourself on your collective backs and jeer from the stands at how badly bruce sucked. Rest assured, those of us that were there, and "in the know" are very aware of what trully caused the downfall. What actually remains of bruce isnt even the bruce that i was a member of. I believe all of the founding corps have left, none of the leaders and FCs from our original syndicate days are even members of bruce. The new bruce CEO only joined well after we had moved into fountain. I wish them luck and plan to assist them in any way i can from my new corp. To the rest of you trash talkers..... ill see ya on my kill board. While you are correct, thats not fully it. You give no credit to the goonie black-ops or P-L gangs and their use of spies (even though I personally hate spies). It played a major part in killin off willpower of those left. PS- whats up w P-L gangs in black rise??? ____________________________________
Xavieer Naidoo Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.12 12:50:00 - [65] As a former member of Brutally Collapsing Empire I can say that the ideals behind BRUCE were very beautiful. But that was all that was good about them. BRUCE hurts from failure cascade, a bunch of carebears, bad diplos and some really bad leadership (Serena I'm looking at you... where are you... where were you all this time ?). Other than that, still a great bunch of people. o/
Serena Greyskull Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:21:00 - [66] Originally by: Xavieer Naidoo (Serena I'm looking at you... where are you... where were you all this time ?). Other than that, still a great bunch of people. o/ Ah...killing many a Bruce in fountian, traveling to Delve to gank a few Bob cap ships, and generally griefing anyone I could find. Where were you, role playing?
Barra Cheveyo Stratos Styx	Posted - 2008.06.12 15:09:00 - [67] Originally by: Sorrowed BRUCE failed because all the elite people left and Omen stole stuff. I would say this is not why BRUCE failed but what happened as a result of the failure. Even when you, the Shade. crew, and FOOM where still in Fountain we were getting spanked by PL and friends in almost every major engagement.
Zathi Shaitan Illiteracy Combatants	Posted - 2008.06.12 15:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Go ******* find out. This isn't Q&A its supposed to be corperation and alliance DISCUSSION. What the frell is a corpEration?
Rajere No Trademark The OSS	Posted - 2008.06.12 16:34:00 - [69] Edited by: Rajere on 12/06/2008 16:36:43 Quote: You were the j/o that got kicked for posting garbage on the forums. Again you should do some fact checking before ever posting again. If by kicked you mean "left of my own free will to much surprise and QQing by fried and others wondering why i'd leave them" then you are correct.
Shinma Apollo Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:10:00 - [70] Edited by: Shinma Apollo on 12/06/2008 17:10:20 Originally by: Sorrowed words I think what's particularly sad about the whole affair is that we were warned about Marcus Malos (the Omen head) by a member of PL (Gandolf) about 6 weeks before he robbed the alliance fund blind. (I really still owe you that 5 mil, don't I gandolf?) As for Shade and Foom, it was a big hit, but BRUCE really managed to cut its own legs enough times. There's still some good people left in it even without all the "it's because X left" crowd, so here's to them getting some sick bionic legs; oh, and Ronan for Executor!

Eltyron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.12 17:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Sorrowed The bruce failure had very litte to do with any outside influence. Fact. I completely agree. If 'said outside influence' had never set foot in Fountain, BRUCE still would have evacuated to Syndicate and dropped 2700 members in 5 weeks. More importantly, BRUCE was doomed to failure as soon as your leaders were born in RL, so any credit taken by others is moot, as this was all planned.
Mary Anne Belgica Optimus Serpensis	Posted - 2008.06.12 18:11:00 - [72] Edited by: Mary Anne on 12/06/2008 18:13:32 Originally by: Xavieer Naidoo As a former member of Brutally Collapsing Empire... Dear Xavieer, thank you a lot - you made me smile in real life. This post of yours made my day and I welcome you to the people who see the obvious and act accordingly. Yours truly Mary Anne
Arkanjuca R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.06.12 19:18:00 - [73] Originally by: Sorrowed The bruce failure had very litte to do with any outside influence. Give'em some credit, even if that influence was not that big. Originally by: Sorrowed After loosing FOOM, and the members of Shade they lost a significant number of there top PvPers. Shade members that left represented 52% of all the kills on the bruce kill board. most of them were tac ops guys. Foom left taking with it 8 of 10 of the command staffing postions. Between Foom, Trada and Shade they left with all but 1 of the original FCs. The lead FC Zaphod left the game permanantly a few weeks before the Goon/PL reset. This played a huge role as well, he was the glue that kept most of the FCs together. Absolutely true, they was the heart and mind of BRUCE... -- AF should be like HACs
Ilany BANK of HUZZAH FEDERATION HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:39:00 - [74] Originally by: Eltyron More importantly, BRUCE was doomed to failure as soon as your leaders were born in RL, so any credit taken by others is moot, as this was all planned. I saw what you did there. ------
Rajere No Trademark The OSS	Posted - 2008.06.12 22:04:00 - [75] Shade. is a 65 member corp which had 52% of bruce's kills? Out of a 3600+ member alliance? You're corp is larger than ours with less kills and less efficiency, and you exclusively nano/cloak-fag killing afk ratters while we're the last group in eve who refuses to nanofag. (seriously, how do you have anything less than 99% efficiency nanofagging?) Sorry PL i'm going to have to agree that BRUCE would have failure cascaded without you.
Severe Admin Blind Industries	Posted - 2008.06.12 22:07:00 - [76] have fun getting owned in syndicate bruce, your greed for fountain was your undoing, like so many alliances these days. good riddance
Eltyron North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:14:00 - [77] Originally by: Ilany I saw what you did there. Whats to see? We apparently didn't do anything in Fountain to BRUCE. Every angle we've tried to show them their history from our perspective has devolved into their leaders stuffing jalepenos into their ears, shaking their heads from side to side and muttering "DA BRUCES, DA BRUCES 4 LYFE y0" over and over. Either way, thanks to BRUCE for being BRUCE.
Sorrowed Shade.	Posted - 2008.06.13 01:16:00 - [78] Originally by: Rajere Shade. is a 65 member corp which had 52% of bruce's kills? Out of a 3600+ member alliance? You're corp is larger than ours with less kills and less efficiency, and you exclusively nano/cloak-fag killing afk ratters while we're the last group in eve who refuses to nanofag. (seriously, how do you have anything less than 99% efficiency nanofagging?) Sorry PL i'm going to have to agree that BRUCE would have failure cascaded without you. Yes Raj. Shade members did represent that many of the kills. less than 99% efficiency? well if you actually looked at our KB before popping off at the mouth you would see we have 89% efficiency. I would guess that it may have something to do with the fact we dont sit in a 0.0 dead end with a massive blue nap fest like you do. We actually go out and roam other regions.As far as you getting kicked, yes i do remember. i was a member of Foom at the time. You left, to keep from being kicked. I certainly do not remember anyone begging your loud mouth to stay around. Your Venom toward current and former bruce members alone speaks volumes. Bitter much? I find it humorous how you speak with such authority as to the situation when you were never there, and had nothing to do with Bruce, or the people Bruce were fighting with. You are nothing more than a trash talker trying to get jabs in because you feel bruce did you wrong some how. Oh, larger than yours with less kills, our corp has only been in existance for less than 2 months Mr rocket science. We did not copy the KB info from the bruce boards as it is private and shall remain that way. As for your efficiency, i dont think im the only one that can confirm your pilots are not exactly the best at posting there losses. Your board is basically BS.
Wusti The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:22:00 - [79] Originally by: Sorrowed Originally by: Rajere Shade. is a 65 member corp which had 52% of bruce's kills? Out of a 3600+ member alliance? You're corp is larger than ours with less kills and less efficiency, and you exclusively nano/cloak-fag killing afk ratters while we're the last group in eve who refuses to nanofag. (seriously, how do you have anything less than 99% efficiency nanofagging?) Sorry PL i'm going to have to agree that BRUCE would have failure cascaded without you. Yes Raj. Shade members did represent that many of the kills. less than 99% efficiency? well if you actually looked at our KB before popping off at the mouth you would see we have 89% efficiency. I would guess that it may have something to do with the fact we dont sit in a 0.0 dead end with a massive blue nap fest like you do. We actually go out and roam other regions.As far as you getting kicked, yes i do remember. i was a member of Foom at the time. You left, to keep from being kicked. I certainly do not remember anyone begging your loud mouth to stay around. Your Venom toward current and former bruce members alone speaks volumes. Bitter much? I find it humorous how you speak with such authority as to the situation when you were never there, and had nothing to do with Bruce, or the people Bruce were fighting with. You are nothing more than a trash talker trying to get jabs in because you feel bruce did you wrong some how. Oh, larger than yours with less kills, our corp has only been in existance for less than 2 months Mr rocket science. We did not copy the KB info from the bruce boards as it is private and shall remain that way. As for your efficiency, i dont think im the only one that can confirm your pilots are not exactly the best at posting there losses. Your board is basically BS. ROFL Youo sir are a complete and utter tosser living in dreamland. You try and make heroes out of other sick and deluded fools who quite simply let many many ppl down through their own incompetence. Revel in it big boy, make all the excuses you want and try your hardest to believe them. At least that way you will continue to make the same mistakes over and over again to our endless amusement. Shade.? You should never have seenthe light of day tbhqfh. Just follow Zaphod's lead eh? at least it sounds like he knew when the game was up. _______________________ Welcome to The New Era
Rajere No Trademark The OSS	Posted - 2008.06.13 02:42:00 - [80] Edited by: Rajere on 13/06/2008 02:44:06 again... delusional much there sorrowed? Sorry your alliance failure cascaded and all, but you may want to do a little fact checking before posting ever again. You seem to have both myself and my corp confused for someone else. One of these days you might be able to make a post with a single correct statement, until then, stop posting.

Grim Mercy IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.13 04:57:00 - [81] Edited by: Grim Mercy on 13/06/2008 05:01:18 About a month prior to the whole FOOM/Shade. fiasco, I was hanging in vent while doing a defense fleet op, if I recall correctly, against Burn Eden. Fried came in with a loud sigh and started complaining about having a hard day, that diplomacy had totally broken down, and that the political aspects of Eve were becoming really, really tiresome. That was the last day I flew with an FC. From that day up until after FOOM left I only saw ONE op- when we tried to take down PL's pos in YZ? Hell I don't even remember the system now. Mind you, I'm not on all the time, but enough to hop on maybe 3 or 4 defense/roaming/pos bust ops a week. That PL pos bust was the last coordinated effort I saw from any of the leadership. In fact, I was told specifically, many times, to not worry about Burn Eden at all, to just leave them alone until they left because it wasn't worth the price of any ships we would lose to give them some pvp (or, apparently, to try to defend our space). All the old-school FCs (and those closest to the ship-reimbursment program I would imagine) told me, and others, to ignore them. Fast foward to one month later... The crappy ISP at the hotel I was staying at decided to die for about a week, and when I came back FOOM was gone. Poof, like a fart in the wind. I'm guessing there was, oh, about a month of planning/moving out on their part, but I was completely shocked. Then, I noticed none of the hard-core I-hope-they-haven't -gone-roaming-yet-today-because-I-wanted-to-join-them pvpers were ever on... then I noticed Shade. when I was trying to get ahold of Jester. So, in the space of a week, all of the leadership and said leadership's corp up and left, and all of our arguably best pvpers formed a new corp and moved? It is this pilots opinion that the PL pos-bust failure was the first shovel of dirt on BRUCE's grave. I'm willing to bet the planning started that night for FOOM's and Shade.'s evac. What really ***es me off about the whole thing is that the other 3000+ people were just left hanging. BRUCE was a cool idea, and I had nothing but fun the entire time I was a member (minus that last month, of course), but I'd say FOOM and Shade. stole way more than OMEN could have even imagined taking. I hope they can get some of the old ideal (and trust) back and party it up in Syndicate. I remember that place being a ton of fun. And speaking of Syndicate: Rajere, you're still not fooling anybody. It was no secret that Fried had some control issues (Messiah complex is probably going a little too far), but if anything you have become more like your description of him than he ever was. Spouting your "facts" and "figures" on CAOD without a shred of evidence to back them up, in order to "prove" your side of things, is starting to make you look bad. Just because you say something indignantly doesn't mean people are going to take you at your word. I remember the BRUCE forum posts with you ranting and raving, causing all sorts of drama and trouble, and blaming the entire episode on the leadership, seemingly, because they disagreed with you, just as you are now. You're still full of BS (not battle ship), but the sad part is you think you've gotten better at it. This is a pretty interesting article from way-back-when that illustrates one common theme from the old Syndicate days: Eve-wiki To all those who read: thanks for hanging in there. To those that didn't: you suck (don't try to act indignant; you didn't read this line either OMG TL;DR!!!)
IronGoldenEagle Electro Fuels	Posted - 2008.06.13 06:05:00 - [82] Edited by: IronGoldenEagle on 13/06/2008 06:05:40 Nmeh killed Tri and Tri helped PL kill BRUCE at 75FA? We even?
Captain Shocker eXtended Corporation 24	Posted - 2008.06.13 06:31:00 - [83] Posting in a I keep resurecting thread because I think anyone cares about Bruce thread. Jeebuz let it die 3 pages should tell you no one cares.
Rajere No Trademark The OSS	Posted - 2008.06.13 06:47:00 - [84] Edited by: Rajere on 13/06/2008 06:49:56 the only facts and figures I mentioned was regarding shade. corp in comparison to my own. You can look up both corps in game to compare membership numbers. You're not allowed to link directly to killboard/killmails in caod, so google-fu to verify those stats. For the record I only compared stats from the time shade. corp began, around 5/4/08 iirc, obviously lifetime kills aren't comparable but of course that was just a strawman of yours anyway. Keep QQing though, poor you guys. and yes, if all you do is fly nano/cloak****ging ships and kill afk players, anything less than 99% efficiency is a joke.
Mary Anne Belgica Optimus Serpensis	Posted - 2008.06.13 08:27:00 - [85] Posting in a threat about BRUCE Zombies... Modern zombies are typically depicted as mindless, unfeeling monsters with a hunger for human flesh. Typically, these creatures can sustain damage far beyond that of a normal, living human and can pass whatever syndrome that causes their condition onto others. Modern zombies come in mobs and waves, seeking either flesh to eat or people to kill or infect. Typically, they show signs of physical decomposition such as rotting flesh, discolored eyes, and open wounds, and move with a slow, shambling gait. They are generally incapable of communication, showing no signs of personality or rationality. Modern zombies are closely tied to the idea of a zombie apocalypse, the collapse of civilization caused by a vast plague of undead. The ideas are now so strongly linked that zombies are rarely depicted within any other context. -- You are reading a signature. BRUCE rl photo shoot of the tight knit likeminded hardcore players
Tabare Vazquez Uruguay Forever	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:39:00 - [86] Originally by: Shinma Apollo I think what's particularly sad about the whole affair is that we were warned about Marcus Malos (the Omen head) by a member of PL (Gandolf) about 6 weeks before he robbed the alliance fund blind.
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.06.13 11:59:00 - [87] Bruce are just about dead and burried from what I can tell. About time someone said...Fair play to them. Bruce were the newest of the potential alliances to rival the membership of BOB and the Goons, they gave it a go, got bashed about and lost a lot of members to faction warefare. If eve didnt have such alliances spring up from time to time the game wouldn't be the eve we know and love. Didnt like them much but respect their attempt at building an extreamly large alliance. Lets stop kicking the dead horse. Lets stop kicking the dead horse
Mary Anne Belgica Optimus Serpensis	Posted - 2008.06.13 13:31:00 - [88] Originally by: Scrutt5 Lets stop kicking the dead horse Dear Scrutt5, nearly everyone knows its dead - only the horse itself does not realize it. It has been buried several times and still tries to move... What buggers me are the arrogant posts about strength and soon-to-be-power in an analogy to a past perceived as glorious. I did not like their attitude in the past - nowadays even less. Since they refuse to do what is needed, one takes the time to kick them on boards and shoot them ingame. A task which I do - in all respect - enjoy. Yours most kindly Mary Anne -- You are reading a signature. BRUCE rl photo shoot of the tight knit likeminded hardcore players
Olex Grant Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:43:00 - [89] Edited by: Olex Grant on 13/06/2008 16:43:14 Originally by: Scrutt5 Didnt like them much but respect their attempt at building an extremely large alliance. About sums it up for me. ______________________________________________ "Smite the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered."
Grim Mercy IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:08:00 - [90] Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 13/06/2008 07:29:19 Edited by: Rajere on 13/06/2008 06:58:24 the only facts and figures I mentioned was regarding shade. corp in comparison to my own. You can look up both corps in game to compare membership numbers. You're not allowed to link directly to killboard/killmails in caod, so google-fu to verify those stats. For the record I only compared stats from the time shade. corp began, around 5/4/08 iirc, obviously lifetime kills aren't comparable but of course that was just a strawman of yours anyway. Keep QQing though, poor you guys. btw yes I suck at propaganda, it's why I don't bother. The truth is much easier, if you do something wrong you get called on it, plain and simple. However, spin, damage-control, weaving together a stream of outright lies and convincing other people to believe it, was definitely fried's forte. and yes, if all you do is fly nano/cloak***ging ships and kill afk players, anything less than 99% efficiency...like your 79%, is a joke. Calling everything that spews from your mouth "The Truth" is spin. Your view of the past is directly opposite from everyone else's memory of events who was around then. Fried may be good at demagoguery and convincing arguement, but he's not that* good. Your killboard stats and comparisons are spin. When called on the fact that you were comparing a two month old corp's stats to yours, you dropped the "obviously lifetime kills aren't comparable but of course that was just a strawman of yours anyway" line, which is saying "yeah, that's true, but it's not important. I didn't want that debate trophy anyway." And your KB has been proven light on the loss-mails in the past, so the figures you provide, while entertaining, are only confirmed through you, and as such are completely biased (not to mention, inaccurate). Your constant heckling of the former BRUCE leadership is spin. The whole fact that you still post and repost in any and all threads about BRUCE show everyone the huge chip on your shoulder. Can words about past drama be trusted from you, given your obvious disdain and partisan view? You seem to think so; anyone who's ever voted probably thinks not. I personally don't care for them either; I also don't rant and rave at every opportunity about year-old grievances that really just boiled down to personality conflicts. The fact that you say you don't spin and offer unbiased "truth" is, itself, spin. Why have to state that anywhere if it is, in fact, truth? I have faith that, someday, you'll get it. You'll understand the CAOD black-out rules we had, and the extremely well thought out posts by the leadership when they did post. You may even understand why almost all troll-posts were completely ignored, not answered with so much as a peep. You'll be able to look back one day and say "wow, I've really come a long ways. I get it now." Until then, pipe down, because no one who was there and remembers what happened cares what you have to say, and no one that believes any of that drivel is worth having around.



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