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Bahamma Momma
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Posted - 2008.06.08 10:01:00 -
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Good Read Actually
Sorry I had too!!
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Cosy
Porandor
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Posted - 2008.06.08 10:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Good Read Actually
Sorry I had too!!
u got a problem man
remember politics = lie
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 10:58:00 -
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Lol, I dont think the author grasps the concept that EU =/= USA and hence dosent have the same goals and ideas, otherwise we would be the same state.
Anti America..... the European Beurocracy is - shock and horror- pro-Europe regardless of whether it conflicts with other nation states. Much like how the author wants America to "secure American interests" so is the same thing over here with regards to Europe.
The Euro is gaining momentum as a global reserve currency, difference is we are still bringing the Eastern Block up to Western Europe standards with a fair chunk of the budget where as the US spends it on its military.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.08 10:59:00 -
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Europe already tried that, they blew it 
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Europe already tried that, they blew it
/me shakes head - Europe had several superpowers over the last half millennium, the US kind of slipped in through the back door after WW2 and the colonies were granted independence under the UN convention.
It's just the European homelands uniting under the same banner, a European Federation if you will. Point is, more people more money and more resources in Europe than the USA, the only meaningful way to know the outcome for sure will be in a few decades when the Euro has had a thorough shakedown and the pan European Military amalgamation starts.
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Bahamma Momma
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Posted - 2008.06.08 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Europe already tried that, they blew it
/me shakes head - Europe had several superpowers over the last half millennium, the US kind of slipped in through the back door after WW2 and the colonies were granted independence under the UN convention.
It's just the European homelands uniting under the same banner, a European Federation if you will. Point is, more people more money and more resources in Europe than the USA, the only meaningful way to know the outcome for sure will be in a few decades when the Euro has had a thorough shakedown and the pan European Military amalgamation starts.
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.08 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Europe already tried that, they blew it
/me shakes head - Europe had several superpowers over the last half millennium, the US kind of slipped in through the back door after WW2 and the colonies were granted independence under the UN convention.
It's just the European homelands uniting under the same banner, a European Federation if you will. Point is, more people more money and more resources in Europe than the USA, the only meaningful way to know the outcome for sure will be in a few decades when the Euro has had a thorough shakedown and the pan European Military amalgamation starts.
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
The north of the US and the south of the US once hated each other so bad that they partook in one of the bloodiest wars in history against each other, and look at the place now. For that matter, have you seen how much hate flows from Scotland to England, and yet we're all still playing happy families.
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Doctor Fruitloop
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Posted - 2008.06.08 11:26:00 -
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Nah, Europeans just like to ***** about each other, mention an outside party and suddenly you would think the British and French had been allies since the conceps of them came around 
I believe Americans have some *****ing about their own interstate rivalries right?
Also the above is my own personal experience of the Euro*****ing, eventualy the topic comes around to an outside country and we all ***** about that 
Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy
I Love you CCP !!! TAKE ME NOW ....
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Amuko
Disturbance Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:16:00 -
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Well if it stops Germany from invading us every few decades I'm cool with it.
Seriously though, I'm not sure if this will work out, or maybe with a very rough start (kind of like America as has already been pointed out).
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Remata Lakira
Terran Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Remata Lakira on 08/06/2008 12:23:45
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Bahamma Momma
The north of the US and the south of the US once hated each other so bad that they partook in one of the bloodiest wars in history against each other, and look at the place now. For that matter, have you seen how much hate flows from Scotland to England, and yet we're all still playing happy families.
A little disdain was hardly ever an obstacle in these matters
I agree with Patch, the yanks need a second civil war. I've kind of been bored since the Iraq war 'ended'. Now Sky News Active has nothing to use to show off its multi-channel interface.
Anyway, I've never liked the idea of the EU, I'd prefer an alliance of english-speaking countries.
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Magnus Nordir
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:28:00 -
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tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:33:00 -
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The agreement also calls for EU nations to surrender sovereignty in many areas to centralized decision-making; and it reduces national veto rights to allow more decisions to be made by majority voting instead of by unanimous consent.
No European nation will sign this. Except maybe Belgium.
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Magnus Nordir
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 08/06/2008 12:36:13
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
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The agreement also calls for EU nations to surrender sovereignty in many areas to centralized decision-making; and it reduces national veto rights to allow more decisions to be made by majority voting instead of by unanimous consent.
No European nation will sign this. Except maybe Belgium.
Infact, it's already been approved by the majority of the EU member-states. Only the Irish are having a referendu, and dare I say, I'll be tempted to go there and instruct them on the future of the European union with a Large Attitude Readjustment Tool if they screw this up again like they did with the last treaty.
Europe needs to stand united against if we are to remain relevant on a global stage.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:40:00 -
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It's obvious, forming a union, would make Europe stronger - and would assist Europe to become a super power - as an American, I don't really care - it's not like ****** has risen from the dead and is the Chairman of the EU.
If Europe wants to become a strong and influential group, let them be - there's nothing for me to be concerned about unless its being made out of cold blood. shouldn't have to worry about it unless your paranoid and think those kind of things all the time.
Europe works on the same wavelength as the US anyways, they would be allies if anything.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:43:00 -
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That article is one of the most americanised, biased pieces of drivel I've ever had the amusement to read on the internet.
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
Edited by: Magnus Nordir on 08/06/2008 12:36:13
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
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The agreement also calls for EU nations to surrender sovereignty in many areas to centralized decision-making; and it reduces national veto rights to allow more decisions to be made by majority voting instead of by unanimous consent.
No European nation will sign this. Except maybe Belgium.
Infact, it's already been approved by the majority of the EU member-states. Only the Irish are having a referendu, and dare I say, I'll be tempted to go there and instruct them on the future of the European union with a Large Attitude Readjustment Tool if they screw this up again like they did with the last treaty.
Europe needs to stand united against if we are to remain relevant on a global stage.
Hmm, I stand corrected then. I am very surprised anyone would agree to that though. Surrender sovereignty? We'll be back in the situation where we're not allowed to eat bananas which are too curvy, and this time we won't be able to say "up yours".
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
That article is one of the most americanised, biased pieces of drivel I've ever had the amusement to read on the internet.
Is there a proper article about it anywhere? I'd be interested to read it.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
Europe works on the same wavelength as the US anyways, they would be allies if anything.
This is largely because the US is an alliance of former European colonies, just Europe had war ravaging its own continent with the civilian populace bearing witness to WW1 and WW2 and their children changing from that.
Last bloody war in America was the US Civil war, methinks if WW2 was fought on American soil the stances of militarization and rapport would be reversed.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.08 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 08/06/2008 12:48:53
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Verone
That article is one of the most americanised, biased pieces of drivel I've ever had the amusement to read on the internet.
Is there a proper article about it anywhere? I'd be interested to read it.
BBC News Link from mid 2007
Probably 100% more useful than that "America, **** Yeah!" tripe.
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Wild Rho
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.08 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Edited by: Verone on 08/06/2008 12:48:53
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Verone
That article is one of the most americanised, biased pieces of drivel I've ever had the amusement to read on the internet.
Is there a proper article about it anywhere? I'd be interested to read it.
BBC News Link from mid 2007
Probably 100% more useful than that "America, **** Yeah!" tripe.
Thanks for linking that, gotta agree with your statement about the first.
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Ilvan
Post with your Brain
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Posted - 2008.06.08 13:42:00 -
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I think Canada should join the EU.
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Bahamma Momma
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Posted - 2008.06.08 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Bahamma Momma on 08/06/2008 14:03:13
Originally by: Verone
Edited by: Verone on 08/06/2008 12:48:53
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Verone
That article is one of the most americanised, biased pieces of drivel I've ever had the amusement to read on the internet.
Is there a proper article about it anywhere? I'd be interested to read it.
BBC News Link from mid 2007
Probably 100% more useful than that "America, **** Yeah!" tripe.
Can I have kisses..on both cheaks plz!!
EDIT: The agreement also calls for EU nations to surrender sovereignty in many areas to centralized decision-making; and it reduces national veto rights to allow more decisions to be made by majority voting instead of by unanimous consent.
WHY????
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ilvan
I think Canada should join the EU.
To be honest if they applied I cant see a damned good reason to refuse , might be something Britain AND France agree on 
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bahamma Momma
EDIT: The agreement also calls for EU nations to surrender sovereignty in many areas to centralized decision-making; and it reduces national veto rights to allow more decisions to be made by majority voting instead of by unanimous consent.
WHY????
To cut down on bull**** beurocracy and to put France in line vetoing things that benefit the entirety of Europe but dips into the subsidies of French farmers.
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Ilvan
Post with your Brain
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Posted - 2008.06.08 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bahamma Momma
EDIT: The agreement also calls for EU nations to surrender sovereignty in many areas to centralized decision-making; and it reduces national veto rights to allow more decisions to be made by majority voting instead of by unanimous consent.
WHY????
Hey, what's the name of that huge nation that's actually just a bunch of "states" that are "united" under an overarching centralized government? It seems to have slipped my mind.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.06.08 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ilvan
I think Canada should join the EU.
But I dont wanna be a eurofag.
And srsly, the geographical separation is just too much.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: Ilvan
I think Canada should join the EU.
But I dont wanna be a eurofag.
And srsly, the geographical separation is just too much.
EU allready has territory in the Americas, Canada would be welcomed into the fold methinks.
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mama guru
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.08 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: mama guru on 08/06/2008 14:46:01
  at that article. What a goddamn tool, the guy who wrote it.
Also: Thanks to Verone for linking a proper newsitem.
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Gaunty
Macabre Votum
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.08 15:38:00 -
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I'm Irish and will be voting on this this coming week. Tbh i'm gonna be voting yes, i was thinking no but after reading that article i've decided i'm gonna vote yes just to **** him off. The part where he said EU peacekeeping troops had a terrible record in the Lebanon is highly insulting to me considering the record Irish peacekeepers have in that country. Anyway, even if i did vote no and the treaty was rejected by the majority our government will put it back in front of us and say "Sorry lads, you didn't get it last time obviously, vote yes" just like what happened with the Nice Treaty. Democracy me arse.
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.06.08 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 08/06/2008 15:55:06
lol.. americans. God forbid europe actually regains its independence from American domination (that was only possible because of 2 crippling world wars and some nice little backstabs of ur own allies.. "American interests" :rolleyes:)
i love these funny articles tho. but yea, politics = no on these boards so ibtl.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Verone
That article is one of the most americanised, biased pieces of drivel I've ever had the amusement to read on the internet.
Is there a proper article about it anywhere? I'd be interested to read it.
Which bit in particular? At a glance, theres Wikipedia pages on the upcoming Lisbon Treaty and on potential superpowers in general.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Brea Lafail
And srsly, the geographical separation is just too much.
EU allready has territory in the Americas, Canada would be welcomed into the fold methinks.
Enlighten me, what territories are these? I know some european countries have little islands here and there, is that what you're talking about?
I have a hard enough time connecting with Canadians from the eastern parts (me being in the west), I don't think I could feel any sort of solidarity with people half a world away.
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Magnus Nordir
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Brea Lafail
And srsly, the geographical separation is just too much.
EU allready has territory in the Americas, Canada would be welcomed into the fold methinks.
Enlighten me, what territories are these? I know some european countries have little islands here and there, is that what you're talking about?
I have a hard enough time connecting with Canadians from the eastern parts (me being in the west), I don't think I could feel any sort of solidarity with people half a world away.
Korou in French guinea - the European Space Agency's equatorial spaceport.
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Polonium 210
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Posted - 2008.06.08 16:54:00 -
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Last three attempts failed, let's see what's going to happen this time
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Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:21:00 -
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TL;DR. I think the above poster has the best summary of anything that article may contain though.
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Arvald
The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
meh no civilization/empire can last forever it was bound to happen
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat(or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid dont mean there isnt a invissible demon about to eat your face)
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.08 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Magnus Nordir
tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
meh no civilization/empire can last forever it was bound to happen
No not yet, if we dont get a good president/congress in the next 50-100 years then yes, but we're not quite there yet.
America is still quite powerful, so the ride down will take a long time.
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.06.08 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Brea Lafail
And srsly, the geographical separation is just too much.
EU allready has territory in the Americas, Canada would be welcomed into the fold methinks.
Enlighten me, what territories are these? I know some european countries have little islands here and there, is that what you're talking about?
I have a hard enough time connecting with Canadians from the eastern parts (me being in the west), I don't think I could feel any sort of solidarity with people half a world away.
its in ur blood.
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das licht
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Posted - 2008.06.08 19:57:00 -
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The new union will start at the us west coast and it'll find its end in east russia. then we go south.
TRUE!
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Sosus Red
Grave Diggers
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:00:00 -
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I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sosus Red
I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
Except after a bunch of farmers kicked your ass out of their country
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sosus Red
I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
Because God wouldn't trust an Englishman in the dark.
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das licht
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: das licht
The new union will start at the us west coast and it'll find its end in east russia. then we go south.
TRUE!
Inclusive Australia and the New Sealand of course.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.06.08 20:47:00 -
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As an American, I'd actually be cool with it if us, Canada, and Europe got together as a supra-national organization sometime in the future.
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das licht
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
As an American, I'd actually be cool with it if us, Canada, and Europe got together as a supra-national organization sometime in the future.
Wouldn't it be very cool as a american to spend your holidays in Aussie and not wasting a thpught about currancie because it's the same?
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
As an American, I'd actually be cool with it if us, Canada, and Europe got together as a supra-national organization sometime in the future.
I have been a proponent of he Atlantic Commonwealth idea for quite a while, problem is that all participants cant be looking at how the others joined them to make it.....
All in the psycology, but say a union between the EU and he USA, likely one of them will look at is as one annexing the other by consent as opposed to a successor state for both. The USA is on the decline, but I expect the states themselves to outlive the USA.
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Drezzster
The Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2008.06.08 22:12:00 -
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HA the writer of that article is a fool. Reminds me of American Dad.
He seems to think that what is good for America is good for the world.
Sure hard power might be more effective for getting what you want, just like taking lunch money off a nerd is more effective than doing paper rounds for a bulley.
*Disclamer* I am not "anti-american" I just don't like the article. I don't think the U.S is evil for throwing it's weight around, just like every other country it is looking after it's own interests. IMO the U.S is only different becasue they have the power to get what they want more often than everyone else.
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Bahamma Momma
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Posted - 2008.06.08 22:32:00 -
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Sweet Gentle Jesus...it's cold in here!! Best of luck Europe! I hope it improves you though honestly..coz improvement and quality of life is always good...no matter where a person lives in the world.
Long live the King!!
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.08 22:59:00 -
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/facepalm
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Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Europe already tried that, they blew it
/me shakes head - Europe had several superpowers over the last half millennium, the US kind of slipped in through the back door after WW2 and the colonies were granted independence under the UN convention.
It's just the European homelands uniting under the same banner, a European Federation if you will. Point is, more people more money and more resources in Europe than the USA, the only meaningful way to know the outcome for sure will be in a few decades when the Euro has had a thorough shakedown and the pan European Military amalgamation starts.
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
you really need to do better reserch on Ireland.
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Europe already tried that, they blew it
/me shakes head - Europe had several superpowers over the last half millennium, the US kind of slipped in through the back door after WW2 and the colonies were granted independence under the UN convention.
It's just the European homelands uniting under the same banner, a European Federation if you will. Point is, more people more money and more resources in Europe than the USA, the only meaningful way to know the outcome for sure will be in a few decades when the Euro has had a thorough shakedown and the pan European Military amalgamation starts.
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
Are you an idiot?
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Nordir
tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
That's so silly. We aren't an empire and those other empires you are talking about didn't die they just changed directions. Not like the UK went the way of the doodoo bird.
Fact is the UK gave the entire world much to be thankful for.
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Spineker
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Amuko
Well if it stops Germany from invading us every few decades I'm cool with it.
LOL
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.08 23:57:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Spineker
Originally by: Magnus Nordir
tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
That's so silly. We aren't an empire and those other empires you are talking about didn't die they just changed directions. Not like the UK went the way of the doodoo bird.
Fact is the UK gave the entire world much to be thankful for.
You dont need an Emperor to make an Empire, the EU has been described by one of its Presidents as he largest voluntary empire in history.
Maybe its part of the American/European cultural divide on the definition of the word, but it means here to exert power beyond your own boundries. By that definition the USA is an Empire, what does it mean to you?
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Posted - 2008.06.09 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Spineker
Originally by: Magnus Nordir
tl;dr version of the OP's link:
"Oh noes, the evil europeans are trying to get us god-fearing americans to think once-and-a-half before attacking another country! Ebbul Europe!"
ITT: Americans who still can't comprehend their empire is going down just like the colonial empires did in the 20th century.
That's so silly. We aren't an empire and those other empires you are talking about didn't die they just changed directions. Not like the UK went the way of the doodoo bird.
Fact is the UK gave the entire world much to be thankful for.
You dont need an Emperor to make an Empire, the EU has been described by one of its Presidents as he largest voluntary empire in history.
Maybe its part of the American/European cultural divide on the definition of the word, but it means here to exert power beyond your own boundries. By that definition the USA is an Empire, what does it mean to you?
Empire to me is the governing of weaker people through occupation and exploitation of its people and resources in the interest of its home nation. Controlling its government and in many cases governing directly and taking whatever you want from the nation. Creating a 2 class system Imperial Citizens and occupied Citizens.
I follow the more classical word Empire. I guess you could say itÆs a new-empire system we live in because we do "persuade" others to do what we want them to but we are not empire in the classical sense.
The EU is a Capitalist Empire in the purest sense. It is not through nationalism that it exist but through economics. They have taken Capitalism to a whole new level never before seen. There is talk of a North American Union of similar make up rather or not it happens is another question.
The problem in Europe that we didn't have in the US is that although we had the CSA they were still American, they were not different like Germans and French and UK to Sweden. The US Civil war was the final battle of the Revolution against European power. In 100 years perhaps all those who still hold nationalism in Europe will be dead and then a true Union can begin but nationalism is strong in Europe still today. Or they will try to force the issue of total Union and impose the will of a few over the majority which will make it no better then the USSR or other imposed political systems.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises
The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.06.09 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Ilvan
I think Canada should join the EU.
To be honest if they applied I cant see a damned good reason to refuse , might be something Britain AND France agree on
I'm Canadian, and I'd support it.
1. It would **** the US off
2. Canada is a good go-between for Europe and the US... because we're a little of both.
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Daedalus DuGalle
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.06.09 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Daedalus DuGalle on 09/06/2008 02:45:38
GO AUSTRALIA!!!! (we're just biding our time...)
Submit to our rule or we'll set the Drop Bears on you.
edit: Just found this in Wikipedia under Drop bears:
Originally by: Wikipedia
A further plausible explanation is that they were invented in 1975 by Australian soldiers defending the Queensland coast against US invaders during a joint military exercise. The Americans coming ashore under cover of darkness were so afraid of the creatures they had been told about earlier that they threw sticks ahead of themselves into the forest canopy and were readily located and captured by the Australians. There does not appear to be any written references to drop bears prior to this date
Lololol
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Havok Dryke
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Ilvan
I think Canada should join the EU.
To be honest if they applied I cant see a damned good reason to refuse , might be something Britain AND France agree on
I'm Canadian, and I'd support it.
1. It would **** the US off
2. Canada is a good go-between for Europe and the US... because we're a little of both.
Wouldnt phase me one bit, it would give us more competition which means we will go to the stars faster then we currently are and will have a large technology boost.
It might even help us on a political level.
Oh and I am from the US.
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stoats
Damage Inflicted
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Posted - 2008.06.09 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: corporal hicks
Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
you really need to do better reserch on Ireland.
very much agreed wit Hicks here, looking for the words to describe wot and idiot you are Bahamma but i would get banned for the only words that come to mind. Although if we are in such a bad state that we havent got a pot to pi$$ in then maybe you should take a look at your own economy and go back to your outhouse.........
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Haakon Jarl
direkte
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Posted - 2008.06.09 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
That's so silly. We aren't an empire and those other empires you are talking about didn't die they just changed directions. Not like the UK went the way of the doodoo bird. Or France or any of the other colonial powers. The US will be here for a long long time.
You got trooops stationed in countries all over the world, and now you have lost something like 3 trillion dollars over the past 5 years or so. If the US continue to **** away money in the middle east and continue to let wall street gangsters run rampant then the US will be facedown sooner than later.
I mean you are even borrowing money from China these days, the hourglass is getting empty.
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.06.09 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/06/2008 07:53:17
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Sosus Red
I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
Except after a bunch of farmers kicked your ass out of their country
with the help of a couple of Great Powers that were threatening invasion at home.
Tell me, do they actually teach history in the US?
Originally by: Sosus Red
I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
We didnt become the greatest empire in world history with America. We dont need them!
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.09 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/06/2008 07:53:17
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Sosus Red
I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
Except after a bunch of farmers kicked your ass out of their country
with the help of a couple of Great Powers that were threatening invasion at home.
Tell me, do they actually teach history in the US?
I gave up trying to explain why the American rebbelion played second fiddle to Americans a while back.... Trafalgar was the real war.
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Bombacla
Green Men Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 09:04:00 -
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lol ireland ****-poor? shows how much you know
Quote:
Ireland has the second highest per capita income of any country in the EU next to Luxembourg, and fourth highest in the world based on measurements of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita. The Gross National Income is $41,140, the seventh highest in the world.
wikipedia
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.06.09 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/06/2008 13:47:25
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/06/2008 07:53:17
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Sosus Red
I'd want the US to rejoin UK if I had my choice, we need to be back with our brothers.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
Except after a bunch of farmers kicked your ass out of their country
with the help of a couple of Great Powers that were threatening invasion at home.
Tell me, do they actually teach history in the US?
I gave up trying to explain why the American rebbelion played second fiddle to Americans a while back.... Trafalgar was the real war.
its the same argument everytime from them, and its always grossly inaccurate.
Originally by: Bombacla
lol ireland ****-poor? shows how much you know
Quote:
Ireland has the second highest per capita income of any country in the EU next to Luxembourg, and fourth highest in the world based on measurements of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) per capita. The Gross National Income is $41,140, the seventh highest in the world.
wikipedia
u are aware that ireland took a lot of EU funding in order to get it where it is?
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Bahamma Momma
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: stoats
Originally by: corporal hicks
Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
you really need to do better reserch on Ireland.
very much agreed wit Hicks here, looking for the words to describe wot and idiot you are Bahamma but i would get banned for the only words that come to mind. Although if we are in such a bad state that we havent got a pot to pi$$ in then maybe you should take a look at your own economy and go back to your outhouse.........
This must explain why the Irish **** in the streets, or in the airport in Dublin for that matter.
Real civilized:)
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
its the same argument everytime from them, and its always grossly inaccurate.
Ah fair enough I suppose, the fact remains that France was more powerful than the rebels and that IF we wanted the US anyway we would have annexed it in the war of 1812.... where we BURNED THE WHITE HOUSE DOWN!
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Bahamma Momma
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Bahamma Momma on 09/06/2008 16:18:08
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: MAXSuicide
its the same argument everytime from them, and its always grossly inaccurate.
Ah fair enough I suppose, the fact remains that France was more powerful than the rebels and that IF we wanted the US anyway we would have annexed it in the war of 1812.... where we BURNED THE WHITE HOUSE DOWN!
French = Pi$$ on you Americans....WHAT THE GERMANS ARE HERE??? WE LOVE YOU AMERICA!!
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Doctor Fruitloop
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Edited by: Bahamma Momma on 09/06/2008 16:18:08
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: MAXSuicide
its the same argument everytime from them, and its always grossly inaccurate.
Ah fair enough I suppose, the fact remains that France was more powerful than the rebels and that IF we wanted the US anyway we would have annexed it in the war of 1812.... where we BURNED THE WHITE HOUSE DOWN!
French = Pi$$ on you Americans....WHAT THE GERMANS ARE HERE??? WE LOVE YOU AMERICA!!
We are talking dawn of the 19th century here, did you never learn basic history?
Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of the French?
Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy
I Love you CCP !!! TAKE ME NOW....
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Bahamma Momma
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:38:00 -
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He had short man syndrome.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:46:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Amastat
Europe works on the same wavelength as the US anyways, they would be allies if anything.
This is largely because the US is an alliance of former European colonies, just Europe had war ravaging its own continent with the civilian populace bearing witness to WW1 and WW2 and their children changing from that.
Last bloody war in America was the US Civil war, methinks if WW2 was fought on American soil the stances of militarization and rapport would be reversed.
Alaskian Theater, Hawaii, etc. WWII was fought on American soil though the government didnt release much information at the time for fear that it would demoralize the population even though the invasion went FUBAR.
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Seabhac
BudifulBC
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Seabhac on 09/06/2008 16:57:16
Originally by: Bahamma Momma
This must explain why the Irish **** in the streets, or in the airport in Dublin for that matter.
Real civilized:)
Eh in all my life here in Ireland I've never heard of or seen somebody take a dump in the streets, although I'm sure homeless people do they hardly represent the entireity of the irish population.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: MAXSuicide
its the same argument everytime from them, and its always grossly inaccurate.
Ah fair enough I suppose, the fact remains that France was more powerful than the rebels and that IF we wanted the US anyway we would have annexed it in the war of 1812.... where we BURNED THE WHITE HOUSE DOWN!
Thats just dandy, oh and who came out ahead after it all?
Neither side gained or lost territory so another words...
It was a draw.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:57:00 -
[73]
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: MAXSuicide
its the same argument everytime from them, and its always grossly inaccurate.
Ah fair enough I suppose, the fact remains that France was more powerful than the rebels and that IF we wanted the US anyway we would have annexed it in the war of 1812.... where we BURNED THE WHITE HOUSE DOWN!
Thats just dandy, oh and who came out ahead after it all?
Neither side gained or lost territory so another words...
It was a draw.
No no, my point is that the Brits had bigger fish to fry than annexation of the USA, hence it took second place to the much more serious war with France.
Its not who won or who lost, my point here is that the French war took precedence to the British over the American rebbelion/annexation.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:33:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: MAXSuicide
its the same argument everytime from them, and its always grossly inaccurate.
Ah fair enough I suppose, the fact remains that France was more powerful than the rebels and that IF we wanted the US anyway we would have annexed it in the war of 1812.... where we BURNED THE WHITE HOUSE DOWN!
Thats just dandy, oh and who came out ahead after it all?
Neither side gained or lost territory so another words...
It was a draw.
No no, my point is that the Brits had bigger fish to fry than annexation of the USA, hence it took second place to the much more serious war with France.
Its not who won or who lost, my point here is that the French war took precedence to the British over the American rebbelion/annexation.
I agree...I mean its not often that a country gains independence against an extremely strong country by themselves.
Its like the celtics trying to gain their independence...It worked for a while until rome actually began to care.
But I think the point was we were actually able to take on britain and win against a section of their navy, even if it was only a few ships...We still stood up to britain and won.
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/06/2008 18:39:17
Originally by: Bahamma Momma
He had short man syndrome.
he also had a bladder problem.
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/06/2008 18:39:17
Originally by: Bahamma Momma
He had short man syndrome.
he also had a bladder problem.
Like everyone in Ireland if some people in this thread are to be believed.
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Mtthias Clemi
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:28:00 -
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Yay to federal non democratic Europe!!!
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MAXSuicide
The Ludovico Technique
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 09/06/2008 18:39:17
Originally by: Bahamma Momma
He had short man syndrome.
he also had a bladder problem.
Like everyone in Ireland if some people in this thread are to be believed.
except i speak the truth ;)
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A51 Yoda
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bahamma Momma
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Europe already tried that, they blew it
/me shakes head - Europe had several superpowers over the last half millennium, the US kind of slipped in through the back door after WW2 and the colonies were granted independence under the UN convention.
It's just the European homelands uniting under the same banner, a European Federation if you will. Point is, more people more money and more resources in Europe than the USA, the only meaningful way to know the outcome for sure will be in a few decades when the Euro has had a thorough shakedown and the pan European Military amalgamation starts.
Honestly m8..I sincerely doubt this will happen. I've seen first hand the utter distain certain European countries have for one another. The way Europeans talk about other Europeans is quite disturbing. Ireland is in the EU and they haven't got a pot to Pi$$ in, which is probably why they do it on the streets. Thats a banner to be proud of :):)
Eh, you know Ireland is one of the worlds richest countries for its size, right m8? The success story of the EU, and completely owes its success to EU funding. So maybe before you post something like that, do yourself a favor and pick up a paper for the first time in 20 years. You never Know what you might find out. Insane things like the soviet union falling and such.
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Mtthias Clemi
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:25:00 -
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THE SOVIET UNION FELL?!
Why didn't anyone TELL me?
/stomps on communist hat
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.06.09 21:25:00 -
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Locked
Asides the political nature of the article in the first place, one of the reasons these threads end up locked is because of the nationalistic generalisations that some people cannot help but post.
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