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Fox Ogmo
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:42:00 -
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Banning all alts isn't the way to go. Alts can be fully established characters, the dark pirate yang to a player's carebear yin. Wouldn't want to have to post with my carebear main in C&P 
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.22 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone How about restricting posting in C&P to -5.1 and below.
-No more alts for the most part.
-Serious outlaws only. Keep the scams and alliance related junk in General/CAOD.
Also...how about a real mod who is actually an outlaw? I nominate Garmon .
Everything in this post.
Every altpost I've ever seen (even my own) has been a ****poast. I tend to post only with my main in C&P (when it's not banned) out of respect for the rest of the community. I feel that C&P should have the same restriction as CAOD - you must be in a corporation. I also feel that both in CAOD and here that restriction should be taken one step further - only real corporations, no altcrap corporations like THE INTERNET. or Forum Trolls Inc.
The moderation in C&P lately has been a huge issue. In the last few days of my forum ban, I haven't seen a single thing that was interesting, at all, except for the El'tar thread and what happens? You idiots ban El'tar (again). When it's more fun reading CAOD than C&P, somebody's screwing the pooch. (hint: it's the moderation team).
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:27:00 -
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A minor alteration to the rules (my change in red below):
Quote: The posting of killmails is permitted, however following criteria must be met:
a) The name of the victim must be removed or covered up. Exception: the victim's name may remain if the poster *is* the victim. b) The killmail must be posted along with constructive text/content. This means no posting new threads with simply a killmail in it without a comment.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:28:00 -
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I don't know why you need so many rules, frankly. So what if some posters don't like the atmosphere in here? We, the criminals and the punishers, like it. We like to read funny chat logs and LOL at stupid killmails. Does it matter if they're fake? Does it matter if people cry?
I would ask for a new rule. As in CAOD, make people post with players in real (and therefore war-deckable) corporations.
Here's an innovative idea: Let's take a minor security status hit for every post we make in C&P. Or alternatively, disallow posting in this forum except for players above -1.0 (who cannot have bounties placed on them).
Then anybody in this channel can say whatever asinine thing they like, but anyone who reads it has at least two ways to punish the poster. . Seeking frigateers!
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:29:00 -
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Another innovative solution to killboards and the possibility of fraud: Create a universal killboard for all of EVE, with all kills, from everybody, that is searchable and linkable. Then there shall be no more question of fraudulent killmails, selective posting, or anything of that sort. . Seeking frigateers!
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Ren Surkova
Down In Flames
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Posted - 2008.06.28 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Another innovative solution to killboards and the possibility of fraud: Create a universal killboard for all of EVE, with all kills, from everybody, that is searchable and linkable. Then there shall be no more question of fraudulent killmails, selective posting, or anything of that sort.
this has never been suggested before you're the first
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Dihania
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.13 12:23:00 -
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We need to be able to rate the posts.
EVE:"The Hand-holding Age".
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DarknessInc
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.14 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn It's still a community, pure and simple, and the fact that it's a community for the 'lowest form of player' (or so viewed) in EvE, still makes it viable.
I read this and read "Make C&P Eve's mild, tamed /b/"
Which would be nice!!! :D Put an age verification to enter C&P or even to post!
Originally by: Viator Pilot Now I will go back to agents, already without the desire of adventures on the ass :)
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.07.17 11:54:00 -
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How about a pirate forum where only chars that are of Outlaw status are allowed to post.
Would be great to be able to have pirate discussions without endless flaming from victim alts.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 17/07/2008 12:31:27
Originally by: CCP Mitnal In common with the other forums, Crime & Punishment will be having a bit of a spring-clean in the near future.
Included in this will be a review of the rules for Crime & Punishment, so if you have any suggestions or any sites or threads you wish to highlight to be added to a resource thread, now is your chance.
Please post below with any rule change, new rule submission or resource.
It's summertime already. Did you mean spring-clean in 2009 or what?
Just how hard is it to appoint a clued-up mod and apply no-alt rules?
Just asking 
**EDIT**Free Garmon 
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Requiescat
HellCorp Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.17 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion.
Maybe this is a good opportunity to implement a centralized CCP killboard?
Also, Havohej, keep in mind that El'Tar is an alt :) -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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PyroThraxus
Caldari De Evil Shenanigans
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Posted - 2008.07.19 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
And lastly - Originally by: PyroThraxus IMHO, the subject of smack/troll posts need to be addressed. You can't open a post in C&P or any other forum on Eve-O with out seeing rude, or uncalled for posts, flames or trolls.
Welcome to C&P biitch.
This IMO. Allowing this kind of smack/rudeness in a CCP thread should simply be unacceptable.
Maybe we just need better forum MODS?
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Nexus Kinnon
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.07.20 23:31:00 -
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Bring back pod or post or just add a stickied thread for people to do it in.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P

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Posted - 2008.07.21 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Smantha Dering Fix the word filter so words like the word to describe a tear in a ships hull or a crispy tastey salty snack don't get filtered out, I'd also like to use words like sc-ra-pe without being censored. That said, a crack down on trolling maybe?
The word filter has been updated.
Originally by: PyroThraxus Edited by: PyroThraxus on 16/06/2008 19:03:12 Edited by: PyroThraxus on 16/06/2008 17:19:47 IMHO, the subject of smack/troll posts need to be addressed. You can't open a post in C&P or any other forum on Eve-O with out seeing rude, or uncalled for posts, flames or trolls. Maybe some policy about such posts would invite the newer players in the game to post and become active in the community.
I don't post just because of this reason.
Maybe a "what mama always said" policy is in order. If you don't have anything nice/constructive to post, don't post anything at all.
Perhaps also a renewed policy on the punishment for these posts could help. First offence: Warning Second offence: Temp ban Third offence: Perma ban
Only my 2 cents. /me put on flame proof suit and helmet, I posted in C&P.
Ninja edit: Also some of the Sigs need to be addressed. What do pictures of scantly clad women (or men) have to do with EVE?
Reflection Edit: Also including posts that have nothing to do with Eve. I.E. I just read a post that included a recipe for bananna nut bread.
To review our current warning and ban system you can visit the December 2007 blog here.
Each post has a report button above it, if you feel that a post is against the rules or offends you, this is the quickest way to get it dealt with by a member of the Community Team.
The same goes for any off-topic posts or non-EVE related signatures.
Originally by: Dosgar More of a forum-wide suggestion but the ability to rate the quality of people's posts depending on content would be nice. Posts below a certain threshold are minimised, like on youtube and some other sites, which means you don't have to read through post after post of spam and flames.
Given the popularity of this I'll forward it on. However, as the CSM were told, changing the forums will take time this is not a quick fix and we are actively looking at upgrading the structure.
Alt posting is something I'll forward for discussion but the issue of long-standing alts and that whilst criminals may wish to "man up", there are a number of perps such as corp thieves or scammers that may find their task more difficult because of this. Not all piracy is at the end of a gun.
Originally by: MailDeadDrop A minor alteration to the rules (my change in red below):
Quote: The posting of killmails is permitted, however following criteria must be met:
a) The name of the victim must be removed or covered up. Exception: the victim's name may remain if the poster *is* the victim. b) The killmail must be posted along with constructive text/content. This means no posting new threads with simply a killmail in it without a comment.
I'll add this in, although it is the policy we go by.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang |
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Janet Marshall
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.15 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone How about restricting posting in C&P to -5.1 and below.
-No more alts for the most part.
-Serious outlaws only. Keep the scams and alliance related junk in General/CAOD.
Also...how about a real mod who is actually an outlaw? I nominate Garmon .
Its Crime AND Punishment. Not just crime.
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Vex Cachet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:12:00 -
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I'm new to this forum, so I don't have any experience or context to judge the value of the proposals under discussion, but I have to admit I'm confused by all the concerns expressed by moderators. What did you expect would be the content of a forum section entitled "Crime and Punishment"? Attempts to water down the content by imposing anonymity and forced "constructive commentary" seems to take away exactly what I would imagine most posters want in the first place: bragging rights. To eviscerate these because of a lack of verifiability begs the question why it was ever allowed in the first place?
My suggestion would be to re-evaluate the purpose of this forum section. If you want to support the notion of a forum for bragging rights, then either put into place a non-hackable mechanism for ensuring accountabililty or accept that you're going to get unverifiable comments that are going to lead inevitably toward contention. If you cannot guarantee authenticity, then you are necessarily inviting contention.
This is really just another illustration of the difference between anonymity and authentication. Anonymity breeds a lack of accountability which breeds anarchy and lawlessness. Authentication shines the white hot spotlight of truth on any discussion. My thoughts, anyway. |

Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.08.21 11:39:00 -
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Personaly I would like to see posting only with Main's in the C and P forum.
I would also like the ability to rate the quality of a players post. This would then give players a general rating (hopefully displayed) and may wake some poeple up to the fact they need to improve the quality of their own content.
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kublai
Caldari Art of War
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Posted - 2008.08.21 13:16:00 -
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* Let us link kill mails and killboards
This is a forum meant for debating, bragging, humiliating etc etc, it's not as if people don't find these, however they have to go search battleclinic for themselves etc when they could have just klicked a link.
* Let us paste chat logs with real names
Again, it's not hard for someone to find out who the chat log is about, it's just more effort than it need be, you're not protecting anyone, just annoying.
* Set up a separate forum for mercenaries and mercenary wannabes
The spam is getting crazed :P
* Make the description sound like what it is, a pirate board, not the bounty hunters cabin
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.21 14:21:00 -
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no more hammerfail industries threads |

Haitchi Allamut
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.26 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker no more hammerfail industries threads
That, And also Garmon threads.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.26 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Haitchi Allamut
Originally by: Nicholas Barker no more hammerfail industries threads
That, And also Garmon threads.
There's a difference - authentic Garmon threads and threads OP'd by certain of his disciples are actually entertaining and funny. Hammerfall threads and all of the spam associated with them are decidedly not funneh!
My suggestion (since my last one got deleted as being not important enough for consideration) is to have Mitnal return to using RED text when he moderates. I was just reading some threads from January of this year and his red-text moderation was much more 'evil empire' in feel than the contemporary sunshine-yellow moderation.
Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
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Haitchi Allamut
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: kublai
* Set up a separate forum for mercenaries and mercenary wannabes
The spam is getting crazed :P
* Make the description sound like what it is, a pirate board, not the bounty hunters cabin
This. I'd tell all my members to post in favour of this, but instead of spamming the thread just consider this like it was posted by 50 people.
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.08.30 11:16:00 -
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Edited by: Scrutt5 on 30/08/2008 11:16:31 PLEASE, can we have main only posts in C and P, the number of people hiding behind noob alts is becomming a problem in my opinion.
This is crime and punnishment, if poeple feel they need to post in this forum lets do it with our main identities, surley this of all forums warrents this.
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Tehopenee
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Posted - 2008.09.05 19:40:00 -
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I havent really looked at the bounty hunting before--seemed to be totally useless if all the normal rules apply. The job aspect would seem to be a joke as you cant really hunt anyone in empire should they go there unless they happen to be red with everyone. Let's face it---this is a game tilted toward the bad guys. :)
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Mickey Simon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.14 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: kublai * Let us link kill mails and killboards
This is a forum meant for debating, bragging, humiliating etc etc, it's not as if people don't find these, however they have to go search battleclinic for themselves etc when they could have just klicked a link.
* Let us paste chat logs with real names
Again, it's not hard for someone to find out who the chat log is about, it's just more effort than it need be, you're not protecting anyone, just annoying.
* Set up a separate forum for mercenaries and mercenary wannabes
The spam is getting crazed :P
* Make the description sound like what it is, a pirate board, not the bounty hunters cabin
My wisdom is great, comply or I will pod you Mitnal.
This, except I wont pod you.
Although killmails and chatlogs can obviously be edited, given that crime and punishment is usually about killing something, or stupid smacktalk it seems really silly to not allow killmails and chatlogs to be posted with real names. As kublai mentioned, if someone wants to find the stuff, they will, but it would be easier to just link and would probably cause more threads to have quality rather than the "edit the names nub" posts that currently pop up when someone accidently posts an unedited chatlog.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.10.19 11:20:00 -
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I think it would be quite interesting if a character's security status could be displayed along side their character race/corp/alliance etc.
I really think alt posting needs to go away. As for the rest (chat logs, killmails etc.) I agree with what has been said above.
Also, this forum needs to be for *pirates*. Not mercs, not bounty hunters. You don't see pirates trolling the mission running forum (much, lol) do you? 
Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam. |

fiber0pti
the united
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Posted - 2008.10.19 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal I'll certainly bring the points up but the reason these restrictions were put in the first place was down to complaints and the atmosphere fostered in C & P because of them.
Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion.
Chatlogs for the same reason.
So let me see if i have this right we give you all the things we would like and you then come back and tell us why we cant have any of them ? Posting pictures would be nice but is also a strain on our forum server so again, probably not going to happen.
Alt posting is of obvious concern and we have an idea of how to get a handle on it but people creating alt-corps to troll, there's little we can do within the current rules to stop them from creating the corps, so that's likely to remain a reactive solution to whatever they post.
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quisno
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Posted - 2008.10.25 16:47:00 -
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you know i hear alot of crying about the misuse of the rules of ccp. this is my first posting in here. and i see one thing. every one has an enemy some enemies are more of a pain than others. so you want to kik them. they pay their 15.00 also. hmmm i wonder if the space counsel has a vendeta againt all who would want to be bad guys. lets start a freindly bunny club so that all players can feel warm and fuzzy.then the care bears will have this game. oh goody! get real!!! you have a problem with some one or group. theres mercenaries but that is so messy well maybe eve can start a new group and elect people into that group that when on hearing about these bad guys can go out in their ships kill the perpetrator and tell him/her y it happened. hmmm sounds like to me that this game needs rigorous police action. so in conclusion lets give the ability for some one who is getting set upon by these ruthless criminals the ability to elicit help that we have a corp out their dedicated to protecting the weak and harmless. oh! i was weak and harmless once but through repeated poddings i grew up now i guess im one of the bad guys hmmmm something wrong here wouldnt you think?
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fiber0pti
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.27 14:38:00 -
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Nexus Kinnon
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.27 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: quisno you know i hear alot of crying about the misuse of the rules of ccp. this is my first posting in here. and i see one thing. every one has an enemy some enemies are more of a pain than others. so you want to kik them. they pay their 15.00 also. hmmm i wonder if the space counsel has a vendeta againt all who would want to be bad guys. lets start a freindly bunny club so that all players can feel warm and fuzzy.then the care bears will have this game. oh goody! get real!!! you have a problem with some one or group. theres mercenaries but that is so messy well maybe eve can start a new group and elect people into that group that when on hearing about these bad guys can go out in their ships kill the perpetrator and tell him/her y it happened. hmmm sounds like to me that this game needs rigorous police action. so in conclusion lets give the ability for some one who is getting set upon by these ruthless criminals the ability to elicit help that we have a corp out their dedicated to protecting the weak and harmless. oh! i was weak and harmless once but through repeated poddings i grew up now i guess im one of the bad guys hmmmm something wrong here wouldnt you think?
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