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CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.06.10 21:19:00 - [1] In common with the other forums, C & P will be having a bit of a spring-clean in the near future. Included in this will be a review of the rules for C & P, so if you have any suggestions or any sites or threads you wish to highlight to be added to a resource thread, now is your chance. Please post below with any rule change, new rule submission or resource. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:08:00 - [2] I cannot believe that nobody else has posted here yet, however, this is what I would propose: Killboard Linking - Open it up, so that we can properly post killmails, with full Names and Information, and allow linking to Killboards. Characters who appear blocked out in current killmails already come in and say "It's Me!" so I don't see the reason that this should be blocked any further. Chatlogs - Permit full posting of information in chatlogs, as with killboards above, it's already being done. Characters are editing chatlogs to remove some information such as names and the like, however, everybody really knows who it is already, or those people are more than happy to 'step up' and admit it's them. There will always be 'trolling', and by limiting the information that's posted, it's not really curbing it in any way, shape or form. We're Recruiting!
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:02:00 - [3] Edited by: Aadi Grox on 12/06/2008 01:05:51 bring back pod or post, killboard linking, chat logs also a thunderdome to ban people. THE RULES: 1) You may only vote for somebody if you have made at least one thread in Crime and Punishment in the week. Don't be lame and create a ****ty thread just so you can vote or you'll get a warning. 2) You may only vote for somebody who has made at least one thread in Crime and Punishment within the last week, or at least 10 replies in Crime and Punihsment. You may also vote for "Nobody" if you think no one from Crime and Punishment should be banned this week. HOW TO NOMINATE THE GARBAGE DAY VICTIM: Please do it in this format: quote: I have posted in Crime and Punishment this thread: [link to thread] I would like to nominate [user] to be banned. Here is proof they are an active Crime and Punihsment user: [link to thread user has made, or 10 replies user has made] [optional: reason why you think they should be banned]
Bahhs Deep	Posted - 2008.06.12 03:27:00 - [4] Posting pictures directly would be nice, as long as it is done in a way that is nonspam, has to do with the thread, so on and so forth.
Golden Helmet The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:24:00 - [5] Allow full chatlogs with names to be posted, allow killboard links to be posted, and for the loe of god, disallow ******* alts from posting! Seriously, its not that hard. Restricting NPC corp members just isn't enough. Alts, regardless if their technically in a player corp, need to be restricted from posting. Post with your main or don't post at all.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:07:00 - [6] I'll certainly bring the points up but the reason these restrictions were put in the first place was down to complaints and the atmosphere fostered in C & P because of them. Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Chatlogs for the same reason. Posting pictures would be nice but is also a strain on our forum server so again, probably not going to happen. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Smantha Dering Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:21:00 - [7] Fix the word filter so words like the word to describe a tear in a ships hull or a crispy tastey salty snack don't get filtered out, I'd also like to use words like sc-ra-pe without being censored. That said, a ***** down on trolling maybe?
PyroThraxus De Evil Shenanigans	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:17:00 - [8] Edited by: PyroThraxus on 16/06/2008 17:19:47 IMHO, the subject of smack/troll posts need to be addressed. You can't open a post in C&P or any other forum on Eve-O with out seeing rude, or uncalled for posts, flames or trolls. Maybe some policy about such posts would invite the newer players in the game to post and become active in the community. I don't post just because of this reason. Maybe a "what mama always said" policy is in order. If you don't have anything nice/constructive to post, don't post anything at all. Perhaps also a renewed policy on the punishment for these posts could help. First offence: Warning Second offence: Temp ban Third offence: Perma ban Only my 2 cents. /me put on flame proof suit and helmet, I posted in C&P. Ninja edit: Also some of the Sigs need to be addressed. What do pictures of scantly clad women (or men) have to do with EVE?
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.16 20:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Aadi Grox Edited by: Aadi Grox on 12/06/2008 01:05:51 bring back pod or post, killboard linking, chat logs also a thunderdome to ban people. THE RULES: 1) You may only vote for somebody if you have made at least one thread in Crime and Punishment in the week. Don't be lame and create a ****ty thread just so you can vote or you'll get a warning. 2) You may only vote for somebody who has made at least one thread in Crime and Punishment within the last week, or at least 10 replies in Crime and Punihsment. You may also vote for "Nobody" if you think no one from Crime and Punishment should be banned this week. HOW TO NOMINATE THE GARBAGE DAY VICTIM: Please do it in this format: quote: I have posted in Crime and Punishment this thread: [link to thread] I would like to nominate [user] to be banned. Here is proof they are an active Crime and Punihsment user: [link to thread user has made, or 10 replies user has made] [optional: reason why you think they should be banned] can we also have a 1-5 rating scale for threads with a pleasing encouraging "You rated this thread '5'! Great job, go hog wild!" ? That aside, a garbage day for C+P would be pretty cool, but not really good business sense for CCP.
Yendaj Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:09:00 - [10] 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!!
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! endorsin' this
Lil'Bunneh FoFo	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:21:00 - [12] Edited by: Lil''Bunneh FoFo on 17/06/2008 11:21:43 Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! Helpin shape C&P by endorsin this
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:49:00 - [13] Edited by: techzer0 on 17/06/2008 13:52:09 Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! !!! 11. MAKE IBTM (IN BEFORE THE MITNAL) THE MANDATORY REPLY TO SPAM THREADS Edity: There's not a whole lot of ways to change C&P, it's still not CAOD which is nice, and it has a lower asshattery rate than GD.. (ok maybe i'm lying). Can we just get recurrent posters of crap threads banned? (Who remembers the Orange Soda bullocks and it's sequel threads... )
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Khandara Seraphim on 17/06/2008 14:11:53 Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! This. On a more-likely-to-happen note, While I know the killmail thing is easy to fake, I think posting killmails/chatlogs is one of the main parts of C&P. After all, the entire forum is built on bragging and showing off your exploits. The kms and logs are a crucial part of this. Right now, we can post anything as long as we edit out names, but half the time the victim is more than willing to share. If a km/chatlog is faked and discovered, wouldn't that eliminate the poster's credibility? Wouldn't that ruin any future attempts at waving around one's e-peen? Isn't the whole point of single sharding that your actions reflect your reputation? Once you're identified as a killmail forger (and lets be honest, killboards are not hard to find) then you'll never be able to do it again without lots of I believe that naming and shaming people that deserve to be shamed via chatlogs and killmails is a very important part of C&P and I would like to see it become unmoderated.
PyroThraxus De Evil Shenanigans	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! I'd like to sumbit this as the peoples exibit #1a of why C&P needs change.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:44:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Mitnal I'll certainly bring the points up but the reason these restrictions were put in the first place was down to complaints and the atmosphere fostered in C & P because of them. By that token, the complaints against this argument also count, do they not? I'm certain that, even today, when people post in C&P and get a negative response, they either complain about it, or go post in a different forum and hardly return. It's still a community, pure and simple, and the fact that it's a community for the 'lowest form of player' (or so viewed) in EvE, still makes it viable. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Chatlogs for the same reason. This doesn't change the fact that Killmails and chatlogs are being posted, albeit in an edited format. The editing doesn't make them any less proven, nor does it change the fact that they can be disputed at a moments notice. All we're doing now is changing names of victims, and inviting more "EvEMail me this guy's name!", which in itself, is (an albeit small) load on the game. Look at posting a link to a Killboard, vs. posting pages upon pages of killmail-speak. It would also take up less space on the post, reduce strain, and make for a more 'visual' representation of the facts (or faked facts) thereof. We're Recruiting!
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:08:00 - [17] Well for one, how about just not letting posts go through at all if there is offensive content that you would ban somebody for. Say for example somebody were to post something like "u r *-ing s! i will kill ur fukkin corp u *-heads!". Then just don't let it get posted. Saves you the trouble of having to moderate it, saves us the trouble of having to deal with you moderating it badly. On a related note, change the word filter. I tire of not being able to use the word cr-a-ck. Honestly, it's just taking PC to the extreme. I can use words like ass, damn, meth, sodomize, finger-bang, and a variety of others. But "***"? Oh no! Not that. And as mentioned before, give us a way to rate threads. If they fall below a certain level, then a mod can step in to look at it and possibly moderate or lock it. If there are no complaints from the readers, then there is no point in moderating or removing the post. Make the ratings public so people have to stand by their opinion. And hold them to the same requirement as COAD posts - no noob corps, show corp/alliance. Will it lead to people getting killed in-game for their forum antics? Probably. But is that really a bad thing? And while I would like to see killmails and chatlogs allowed, I can see where that would lead to an endless cycle of chest-beating. Eventually degenerating into the cesspool of mediocrity that COAD is. And that is the very last thing that I would want to see happen. And lastly - Originally by:** PyroThraxus IMHO, the subject of smack/troll posts need to be addressed. You can't open a post in C&P or any other forum on Eve-O with out seeing rude, or uncalled for posts, flames or trolls. Welcome to C&P biitch. Taxman V: Back in Black
Dosgar Rude Boys Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:58:00 - [18] More of a forum-wide suggestion but the ability to rate the quality of people's posts depending on content would be nice. Posts below a certain threshold are minimised, like on youtube and some other sites, which means you don't have to read through post after post of spam and flames. ---
Sigma Dryke Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! I'll add kudos to this. Also, deleting a post because you don't agree with it is poor class. Really, for shame.
Fitz VonHeise The New Order.	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:24:00 - [20] Please add this link to the resources page: The Thieves Of EvE
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:43:00 - [21] Pretty much what everyone has said about chatlogs and killmails/boards (open them up). Also, I have no issues with trolling or alt postings. This is the internet people.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.06.18 11:10:00 - [22] Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 18/06/2008 11:11:51 Stop banning Garmon. Also KMs and Chatlogs. If they are faked, then be it on the poster's head when it is found out. They are always a great source of LULZ to us. Assumption of Risk
z0de The Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.18 16:20:00 - [23] All killmail/chat logs posts should be put to vote if the killmail/vote was worth posting. If the it was found to not be worthwhile the user is banned from posting (global) for a month. Ban garmon.
M'ing Pai The Really Awesome Players R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.06.18 20:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 18/06/2008 11:11:51 Stop banning Garmon. Also KMs and Chatlogs. If they are faked, then be it on the poster's head when it is found out. They are always a great source of LULZ to us. QFT "Criminals" posting on C&P may have different ideas on etiquette than other people, but those ideas do exist. The community tend to police themselves here, to a great extent, in that people's words and actions do have consequences in game. On that note: I concur that alt posting is a problem. People posting with alts to flame people isn't really in the spirit of C&P, where the entire idea is to "man up". If someone wants to tell me that I suck at PvP, they usually do so behind the safety of an alt. This shouldn't be sanctioned in C&P. I should have the opportunity to make them eat their words in game :-) In short, the moderation is heavy handed against material that I feel is conducive to discussion, and should really be reserved for alt posting and real life threats, and possibly TRULY offensive material.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.19 13:55:00 - [25] Originally by: M'ing Pai If someone wants to tell me that I suck at PvP, they usually do so behind the safety of an alt. You suck at PvP. Edit: Failed Alt Post Detected! We're Recruiting!
Kage Toshimado Kage Clan	Posted - 2008.06.19 19:58:00 - [26] Edited by: Kage Toshimado on 19/06/2008 19:58:40 I would like the Muffin Factory in Crisis thread locked some day. That would be kind of nice for starters... and how about a Ninja smiley for Tchell and her ilk? (I know that's forum wide, but applies to Crime and Punishment more so imo.)
MailDeadDrop Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:55:00 - [27] Preface: I have deep respect for anyone that administers games/websites. It is largely an under appreciated vocation. That said, I have an even deeper respect for the truth. Your posts must be incomplete, because what you wrote doesn't seem true. I wouldn't expect you to outright lie, so therefore I'm missing something. But let us examine your points one-by-one. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Chatlogs for the same reason. Well, please show me where non-killboard, non-chatlog entry posts in C&P are "verifiable and tamper-proof". Since you are currently permitting both killmail content and chatlogs if the participants are redacted, then you need to argue that listing the participants/victims instigates poor discussion. I'm neither asserting nor disputing such a position, only pointing out what the existing rules seem to be indicating. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Posting pictures would be nice but is also a strain on our forum server so again, probably not going to happen. Eh? I believe that the strain is merely your forum software serving up a few bytes like "<img>blahblah</img>". The actual image needn't be on CCP's forum server, and actually shouldn't be, so the bandwidth ("strain") would be on the image server (eve-files.com, imageshack.net, flickr.com, ...) Respectfully, if dubiously, MDD
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.20 17:27:00 - [28] Originally by: MailDeedDrop Preface: I have deep respect for anyone that administers games/websites. It is largely an under appreciated vocation. That said, I have an even deeper respect for the truth.Very Happy Your posts must be incomplete, because what you wrote doesn't seem true. I wouldn't expect you to outright lie, so therefore I'm missing something. But let us examine your points one-by-one. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Chatlogs for the same reason. Well, please show me where non-killboard, non-chatlog entry posts in C&P are "verifiable and tamper-proof".Laughing Since you are currently permitting both killmail content and chatlogs if the participants are redacted, then you need to argue that listing the participants/victims instigates poor discussion. I'm neither asserting nor disputing such a position, only pointing out what the existing rules seem to be indicating. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Posting pictures would be nice but is also a strain on our forum server so again, probably not going to happen. Eh? I believe that the strain is merely your forum software serving up a few bytes like "<img>blahblah</img>". The actual image needn't be on CCP's forum server, and actually shouldn't be, so the bandwidth ("strain") would be on the image server (eve-files.com, imageshack.net, flickr.com, ...) Respectfully, if dubiously, MDD reposted from eve-search because I thought it was a valid and good post.
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.21 10:59:00 - [29] How about restricting posting in C&P to -5.1 and below. -No more alts for the most part. -Serious outlaws only. Keep the scams and alliance related junk in General/CAOD. Also...how about a real mod who is actually an outlaw? I nominate Garmon . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.21 11:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Kage Toshimado ... and how about a Ninja smiley for Tchell and her ilk? (I know that's forum wide, but applies to Crime and Punishment more so imo.) I feel honored! Actually, I think a forum-wide update of all smilies is in order. The ones we have are quite outdated. We're Recruiting!

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