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Zubakis Bambooule	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:30:00 - [61] Thread started in June. Can we have an update on what happened so far and whatever will be done in near future? -- Zuba

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:32:00 - [62] Update: Killboard links and chatlogs. Already discussed in post 6, they cause negativity and non-constructive posts, this is not what we're aiming for. Ditto pod or post. Thunderdome - banning players will not be made a public spectacle. Posting pictures - would have to be forum wide. Alt posting/security standing dependant posting - no alt posting would mean an end to some types of posts such as scam ones that have been popular in the past. Making the forum -10 only would limit the sub forum to so few players to make it not worthwhile. Any other limiting such as -5.1 would be arbitrary and not what we attempt to do with forums. In addition this is both a crime and punishment sub forum, part of the attraction is surely victim threads? Creating a forum for those with a negative standing would require one for those with a positive one too, we are not looking to add sub forums currently. Rating posters is another one that would be forum-wide. I will return to using evil red to moderate if it this pleases you The forum description has caused a lot of angst, we'll gladly take suggestions over how you'd like it to read. Character's security status shown in post - possibly a forum-wide change, requires more research on our part. Look forward to meeting some of you at Fanfest to discuss this further! Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Mickey Simon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.07 05:41:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Update: Killboard links and chatlogs. Already discussed in post 6, they cause negativity and non-constructive posts, this is not what we're aiming for. Ditto pod or post. I understand your reasoning, I think it's rather silly though. Take a look around. Constructive posts are a rarity in this forum. There's so many ridiculously badly thought out OP's and so many comments that are meaningless. As kublai mentioned, if someone wants to find the unedited killmails/chatlogs ir killboard links and they're hosted anywhere on the net - they'll find it anyway. If we were allowed to post them, it makes them much more accessible which is a good thing. From a content perspective, it seems like a silly choice (especially seeing as the level of constructive/legible posts here is so low already) and one that's done heavy handed but if that's the way it's going to be I guess people will just stick with doing their own research.
kongking wang	Posted - 2008.11.14 05:43:00 - [64] no insurance claim for pirating losses in highsec. keep pirating to low sec areas
Rivur'Tam X10 Punishment	Posted - 2008.11.14 17:03:00 - [65] Originally by: kongking wang no insurance claim for pirating losses in highsec. keep pirating to low sec areas What has this to do with shaping c&p ????????? Read before you post I agree with the comment earlier you should be able to show your sec status in c&p.
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.11.19 12:06:00 - [66] Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 19/11/2008 12:06:19 Originally by: Rivur'Tam I agree with the comment earlier you should be able to show your sec status in c&p. That would be awesome, but make it the forum as a whole and not just C&P. Do it, Do it now.
Nebuchadnezzar I Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.16 00:53:00 - [67] Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 16/12/2008 00:55:01 That no chatlog posting rule sure is an idiotic rule. How are you supposed to tell a story then? Wait, if you add "TRUE PIRATE STORY" its okay? How does that make any sense at all. Let people post the funny stories without nukage of threads. EDIT: Fighting flames and trolls by excluding content that interests people is not the way.
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.12.16 10:52:00 - [68] I believe quotations are OK, and long chat logs are just a tedious read. _________________________ Were awesome people go.
Don ZOLA Caldari Exotic Dancers Club Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.17 14:59:00 - [69] we are back with even moar terror to inflict. we want "pod or post" back :D
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2008.12.17 15:34:00 - [70] please do not take away C&P from the alts. Although alt posting may seem bad to some. Other alts are used for scam... as well are victims. Also CCP's way of detecting alts for COAD is no NPC or no under 10member corps. There are quite a few small pirate corps under 10 members, as well pirates that stay in NPC corps. Not to mention highsec pirates that have to maintain a high security status so we can yarr at will. Just saying. ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.12.17 15:41:00 - [71] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Crime & Punishment will be having a bit of a spring-clean is it spring yet ? rule change 1: allow logs rule change 2: allow kill mails rule change 27: make every pilot that posts in C&P give me 50% of their wallet isk Join "join sniggwaffe" in game. Good Service!
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.12.17 15:55:00 - [72] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 17/12/2008 15:58:40 My .02 isk: 1) No spammage. Seriously. It is terrible some days. Ban multiple offenders. 2) Alt posting as op only and only when the identity of the poster needs to be protected, e.g. them looking for mercs / partners in crime, or reporting scams / baits. Otherwise, post on your main. 3) No restrictions to sec status etc when posting. (Hello, it's Crime and punishment, I belong here too. ) 4) Any thread that degenerates to pure "did not, did too" about blobbing, docking games, and other standard smack, will be locked. Threads of corporations smacktalking each other are fine as long as the posts add something new. 5) Allow chat logs and killmail links. Yes, they can be forged. So what? Everyone (sensible) knows they can faked. You cannot police people from lying, and km / chat faking is just a form of lying. They don't lead to quality discussion? So what, do doesn't 95 percent of the rest of the stuff in the forums - just see point #4. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:11:00 - [73] Greetings! So far you've said no to the most common things asked for by many of the frequent C&P posters. What is the point of this? Obviously we're striking out here. Why don't you tell us what changes you have in mind. Good Day!
Durethia Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:38:00 - [74] Edited by: Durethia on 17/12/2008 16:41:26 Originally by: CCP Mitnal In common with the other forums, Crime & Punishment will be having a bit of a spring-clean in the near future. Included in this will be a review of the rules for Crime & Punishment, so if you have any suggestions or any sites or threads you wish to highlight to be added to a resource thread, now is your chance. Please post below with any rule change, new rule submission or resource. Mr. Mitnal Please do not open up killboard linking, or relaxing rules regarding killmails. It's already mundane for most eve players to google players, alliances, corporations for killboards. The only real interest in Crime and Punishment in regards to killmails is only the gravity of loss associated to a kill. Such loss can be fused easily into an attractive story, without the official document at hand. A story about some Ibis carrying a multi-billion isk module through 0.0 and going afk at a stargate. The plot really is about how someone got lucky. Crime and Punishment encourages the propaganda machine, just as much as other portions of this forum. This will often result in undue hardship on the victim, or even the perpetrator if their actions aren't all that impressive to others on the forum. On the other hand, I do think "pod or post" is a humorous antic and every time I see one I chuckle a bit. While it might be true they don't contribute much to the forum, I do argue it does hint on the real issue and that's the might of the assailant. I don't think they are as much to embarass the victim as they are to advertise and qualify aggression and dominance of a particular group in an area (i.e. a startup pirate corp might be inclined to have their first victims 'pod or post', to get their name out there). Maybe "pod or post" posts should be required to contain the system the even occured and what group is associated to the demand. Maybe even a new forum for real life Pod or Post submissions, which can be used tactfully by anti-pirates to monitor aggressive trends. It's worth noting that some "Pod or Post" posts, might be a result of good nature on both parties, in the event that the victim really doesn't have the funds to cover the ransom; so the pod or post becomes an acceptable alternative. In short, I favor tighter rules regarding posting killmails/fanmails etc. But the Pod or Post posts are a treat.
Faekurias Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:52:00 - [75] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn I cannot believe that nobody else has posted here yet, however, this is what I would propose: Killboard Linking - Open it up, so that we can properly post killmails, with full Names and Information, and allow linking to Killboards. Characters who appear blocked out in current killmails already come in and say "It's Me!" so I don't see the reason that this should be blocked any further. Chatlogs - Permit full posting of information in chatlogs, as with killboards above, it's already being done. Characters are editing chatlogs to remove some information such as names and the like, however, everybody really knows who it is already, or those people are more than happy to 'step up' and admit it's them. There will always be 'trolling', and by limiting the information that's posted, it's not really curbing it in any way, shape or form. Good points, I think names should still be secret though, else they'd never allow killmail posting. Killboards will probably be a bit of a stretch, hilarious as some instances can be. Chatlogs , I want them too, but still only OP's name. Reason for limitation is the same as above. ------------------ Recruiting..
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2008.12.18 01:05:00 - [76] I am a fan of not using alts to post in C&P. - We are anonymous. We Are legion.
PerrinAybarra Bad Temper's Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2008.12.18 02:58:00 - [77] well this one is kinda forum wide for alt posters lock the forum posting ability to 1 character per account or only switchable once every 7 days. Of course you would need to add another info window of are you sure this is the correct character you want.
small chimp	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:01:00 - [78] I am full of those one liner garmon troll posts and thread!
Shuyun Shonto SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:55:00 - [79] asking for our ideas when you obviously already know exactly what you are and are not willing to do seems pointless. Tell us your ideas and ask for criticism, don't pretend we get a vote when our vote doesn't matter. I find that much more disrespectful than just saying, "Here's what we're doing, what are your thoughts?" At least then we know right off the bat what the score is.
Psychotic Penguin Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:54:00 - [80] 1. change name from "Crime and Punishment" to "Crime" 2. no alt posts 3. must display corp/alliance 4. display sec status 5. way to post verified KMs 6. more of a forum wide thing, mod list of how many people etch mod has banned and hours they work so we know when it is OK to flame/troll the forums and when to be careful ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination.
tiller Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2008.12.18 07:34:00 - [81] - no alts - fanfair play whenever i make a post - sec status displayed
SunGod RA Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:34:00 - [82] here's what would make crime & punishment better: 1) walking to the devbox and (metaphorically) punch someone (ingame) until SMURGLEBLASTER gets seeded (don't hurt anyone but be convincing!!) 2) steal all the dev's rhum to coax them into seeding SMURGLEBLASTER (let's call this plan B) 3) mod's text in red is cool be thirsty maybe as xmas gift to the outlaws (-5.0) only? these are the real critical issues imo!
LtCol Killgore	Posted - 2008.12.18 15:37:00 - [83] you could sticky individual advert threads for merc corps, dunno what the criteria would be, e.g how you'd judge whether a merc corp was good enough for the sticky... you could do the same for pirate corps, giving them each a thread to brag about the latest comedy yar, and let them post killmails/chat logs in them. that way it would be easy enough for the innocent un-corrupted amougnst us to stear clear and not fill the dev inboxs with complaints... could they be automated to clean them of all replies everytime the title page was updated to stop you having to go 50 pages in to find comments on the current topic? as the above 2 suggestions would give the common occupants of this forum a more defined outlet, you could then get away with being abit more strict (seems what your looking to do) over the type of general threads poasted? e.g just lock and delete pointless spam it would take a dev or two awhile to get this established, and agin i'm not sure how you'd judge you was 'worthy' of sticky and who wasn't just my 2 pieces of eight
Dun Bynar Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.18 22:39:00 - [84] AS i am an alt poster i wish to make it clear that WHO i am in the game is of no concern to those that post in forums. Game playing personas, and seperate forum personas do not effect or negate opinions offered on forums, and allows for those players whos corps have stringent rules concerning forums post. A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.
Tekno Viking	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:05:00 - [85] if this isn't the most *****ed idea ever... how about dont fuk with C&P CCP, you've already fuked everything* else up.
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.12.19 02:27:00 - [86] Originally by: Dun Bynar AS i am an alt poster i wish to make it clear that WHO i am in the game is of no concern to those that post in forums. Game playing personas, and seperate forum personas do not effect or negate opinions offered on forums, and allows for those players whos corps have stringent rules concerning forums post. If you don't agree with your current corporation's policy on forums, find a new corp.
tiller Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:00:00 - [87] Edited by: tiller on 19/12/2008 08:00:48 oh i forgot, ccp to send out complimentry tissues to pretty much every poster in c&p.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi Not to mention highsec pirates that have to maintain a high security status so we can yarr at will. Just saying. There are pirates that aren't flashy red? Me thinks they aren't pirates. Anywho, I'm throwing in a vote for sec status to be displayed (why not?) and KM links being allowed. We like making fun of people who happen to be less fortunate than us... hell, we like making fun of ourselves if we do something really stupid. It's part of the game. You want verified, I think the green box around a kill on battleclinic equates to verified by api, but someone would have to check that to make sure. As for chat logs, yeah, they can't be verified, and if they are obnoxiously long no one reads them anyways; try just limiting them a bit (any pointless chat is removed, and only the relevant parts are left). Yeah, it means mods would actually have to read the post and make a decision, but I think you guys can handle it. Again, we like making fun of stupid people... sorry, people who aren't as capable of carrying on a normal conversation without turning to threats of their "Titan flying main" or tears of "I hope you feel better, because your mother hated you" .
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:53:00 - [89] Originally by: Shuyun Shonto asking for our ideas when you obviously already know exactly what you are and are not willing to do seems pointless. Tell us your ideas and ask for criticism, don't pretend we get a vote when our vote doesn't matter. I find that much more disrespectful than just saying, "Here's what we're doing, what are your thoughts?" At least then we know right off the bat what the score is. Lol. How true.
Arcon Telf Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.19 17:48:00 - [90] The issue I feel most passionately about is alt posting. There's just no place for it in C&P.

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