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CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.06.10 21:19:00 - [1] In common with the other forums, C & P will be having a bit of a spring-clean in the near future. Included in this will be a review of the rules for C & P, so if you have any suggestions or any sites or threads you wish to highlight to be added to a resource thread, now is your chance. Please post below with any rule change, new rule submission or resource. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.12 00:08:00 - [2] I cannot believe that nobody else has posted here yet, however, this is what I would propose: Killboard Linking - Open it up, so that we can properly post killmails, with full Names and Information, and allow linking to Killboards. Characters who appear blocked out in current killmails already come in and say "It's Me!" so I don't see the reason that this should be blocked any further. Chatlogs - Permit full posting of information in chatlogs, as with killboards above, it's already being done. Characters are editing chatlogs to remove some information such as names and the like, however, everybody really knows who it is already, or those people are more than happy to 'step up' and admit it's them. There will always be 'trolling', and by limiting the information that's posted, it's not really curbing it in any way, shape or form. We're Recruiting!
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.06.12 01:02:00 - [3] Edited by: Aadi Grox on 12/06/2008 01:05:51 bring back pod or post, killboard linking, chat logs also a thunderdome to ban people. THE RULES: 1) You may only vote for somebody if you have made at least one thread in Crime and Punishment in the week. Don't be lame and create a ****ty thread just so you can vote or you'll get a warning. 2) You may only vote for somebody who has made at least one thread in Crime and Punishment within the last week, or at least 10 replies in Crime and Punihsment. You may also vote for "Nobody" if you think no one from Crime and Punishment should be banned this week. HOW TO NOMINATE THE GARBAGE DAY VICTIM: Please do it in this format: quote: I have posted in Crime and Punishment this thread: [link to thread] I would like to nominate [user] to be banned. Here is proof they are an active Crime and Punihsment user: [link to thread user has made, or 10 replies user has made] [optional: reason why you think they should be banned]
Bahhs Deep	Posted - 2008.06.12 03:27:00 - [4] Posting pictures directly would be nice, as long as it is done in a way that is nonspam, has to do with the thread, so on and so forth.
Golden Helmet The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.13 00:24:00 - [5] Allow full chatlogs with names to be posted, allow killboard links to be posted, and for the loe of god, disallow ******* alts from posting! Seriously, its not that hard. Restricting NPC corp members just isn't enough. Alts, regardless if their technically in a player corp, need to be restricted from posting. Post with your main or don't post at all.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.06.15 21:07:00 - [6] I'll certainly bring the points up but the reason these restrictions were put in the first place was down to complaints and the atmosphere fostered in C & P because of them. Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Chatlogs for the same reason. Posting pictures would be nice but is also a strain on our forum server so again, probably not going to happen. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Smantha Dering Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:21:00 - [7] Fix the word filter so words like the word to describe a tear in a ships hull or a crispy tastey salty snack don't get filtered out, I'd also like to use words like sc-ra-pe without being censored. That said, a ***** down on trolling maybe?
PyroThraxus De Evil Shenanigans	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:17:00 - [8] Edited by: PyroThraxus on 16/06/2008 17:19:47 IMHO, the subject of smack/troll posts need to be addressed. You can't open a post in C&P or any other forum on Eve-O with out seeing rude, or uncalled for posts, flames or trolls. Maybe some policy about such posts would invite the newer players in the game to post and become active in the community. I don't post just because of this reason. Maybe a "what mama always said" policy is in order. If you don't have anything nice/constructive to post, don't post anything at all. Perhaps also a renewed policy on the punishment for these posts could help. First offence: Warning Second offence: Temp ban Third offence: Perma ban Only my 2 cents. /me put on flame proof suit and helmet, I posted in C&P. Ninja edit: Also some of the Sigs need to be addressed. What do pictures of scantly clad women (or men) have to do with EVE?
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.16 20:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Aadi Grox Edited by: Aadi Grox on 12/06/2008 01:05:51 bring back pod or post, killboard linking, chat logs also a thunderdome to ban people. THE RULES: 1) You may only vote for somebody if you have made at least one thread in Crime and Punishment in the week. Don't be lame and create a ****ty thread just so you can vote or you'll get a warning. 2) You may only vote for somebody who has made at least one thread in Crime and Punishment within the last week, or at least 10 replies in Crime and Punihsment. You may also vote for "Nobody" if you think no one from Crime and Punishment should be banned this week. HOW TO NOMINATE THE GARBAGE DAY VICTIM: Please do it in this format: quote: I have posted in Crime and Punishment this thread: [link to thread] I would like to nominate [user] to be banned. Here is proof they are an active Crime and Punihsment user: [link to thread user has made, or 10 replies user has made] [optional: reason why you think they should be banned] can we also have a 1-5 rating scale for threads with a pleasing encouraging "You rated this thread '5'! Great job, go hog wild!" ? That aside, a garbage day for C+P would be pretty cool, but not really good business sense for CCP.
Yendaj Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:09:00 - [10] 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!!
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! endorsin' this
Lil'Bunneh FoFo	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:21:00 - [12] Edited by: Lil''Bunneh FoFo on 17/06/2008 11:21:43 Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! Helpin shape C&P by endorsin this
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:49:00 - [13] Edited by: techzer0 on 17/06/2008 13:52:09 Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! !!! 11. MAKE IBTM (IN BEFORE THE MITNAL) THE MANDATORY REPLY TO SPAM THREADS Edity: There's not a whole lot of ways to change C&P, it's still not CAOD which is nice, and it has a lower asshattery rate than GD.. (ok maybe i'm lying). Can we just get recurrent posters of crap threads banned? (Who remembers the Orange Soda bullocks and it's sequel threads... )
Khandara Seraphim StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.06.17 14:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Khandara Seraphim on 17/06/2008 14:11:53 Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! This. On a more-likely-to-happen note, While I know the killmail thing is easy to fake, I think posting killmails/chatlogs is one of the main parts of C&P. After all, the entire forum is built on bragging and showing off your exploits. The kms and logs are a crucial part of this. Right now, we can post anything as long as we edit out names, but half the time the victim is more than willing to share. If a km/chatlog is faked and discovered, wouldn't that eliminate the poster's credibility? Wouldn't that ruin any future attempts at waving around one's e-peen? Isn't the whole point of single sharding that your actions reflect your reputation? Once you're identified as a killmail forger (and lets be honest, killboards are not hard to find) then you'll never be able to do it again without lots of I believe that naming and shaming people that deserve to be shamed via chatlogs and killmails is a very important part of C&P and I would like to see it become unmoderated.
PyroThraxus De Evil Shenanigans	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! I'd like to sumbit this as the peoples exibit #1a of why C&P needs change.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.17 15:44:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Mitnal I'll certainly bring the points up but the reason these restrictions were put in the first place was down to complaints and the atmosphere fostered in C & P because of them. By that token, the complaints against this argument also count, do they not? I'm certain that, even today, when people post in C&P and get a negative response, they either complain about it, or go post in a different forum and hardly return. It's still a community, pure and simple, and the fact that it's a community for the 'lowest form of player' (or so viewed) in EvE, still makes it viable. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Chatlogs for the same reason. This doesn't change the fact that Killmails and chatlogs are being posted, albeit in an edited format. The editing doesn't make them any less proven, nor does it change the fact that they can be disputed at a moments notice. All we're doing now is changing names of victims, and inviting more "EvEMail me this guy's name!", which in itself, is (an albeit small) load on the game. Look at posting a link to a Killboard, vs. posting pages upon pages of killmail-speak. It would also take up less space on the post, reduce strain, and make for a more 'visual' representation of the facts (or faked facts) thereof. We're Recruiting!
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:08:00 - [17] Well for one, how about just not letting posts go through at all if there is offensive content that you would ban somebody for. Say for example somebody were to post something like "u r *-ing s! i will kill ur fukkin corp u *-heads!". Then just don't let it get posted. Saves you the trouble of having to moderate it, saves us the trouble of having to deal with you moderating it badly. On a related note, change the word filter. I tire of not being able to use the word cr-a-ck. Honestly, it's just taking PC to the extreme. I can use words like ass, damn, meth, sodomize, finger-bang, and a variety of others. But "***"? Oh no! Not that. And as mentioned before, give us a way to rate threads. If they fall below a certain level, then a mod can step in to look at it and possibly moderate or lock it. If there are no complaints from the readers, then there is no point in moderating or removing the post. Make the ratings public so people have to stand by their opinion. And hold them to the same requirement as COAD posts - no noob corps, show corp/alliance. Will it lead to people getting killed in-game for their forum antics? Probably. But is that really a bad thing? And while I would like to see killmails and chatlogs allowed, I can see where that would lead to an endless cycle of chest-beating. Eventually degenerating into the cesspool of mediocrity that COAD is. And that is the very last thing that I would want to see happen. And lastly - Originally by:** PyroThraxus IMHO, the subject of smack/troll posts need to be addressed. You can't open a post in C&P or any other forum on Eve-O with out seeing rude, or uncalled for posts, flames or trolls. Welcome to C&P biitch. Taxman V: Back in Black
Dosgar Rude Boys Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:58:00 - [18] More of a forum-wide suggestion but the ability to rate the quality of people's posts depending on content would be nice. Posts below a certain threshold are minimised, like on youtube and some other sites, which means you don't have to read through post after post of spam and flames. ---
Sigma Dryke Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Yendaj 1. STOP BANNING GARMON 2. WARNING TAGS ON GARMON THREADS FOR THE CRY BABIES THAT CANT COPE 3. BAN THOSE CRY BABIES FOR WHINING TOO MUCH AND NOT HAVING THE GOOD SENSE TO REALISE ITS ALL IN FUN 4. STOP BEING D*KS 5. TAKE A VOTE ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENJOY READING GARMON THREADS AND TELL THE 2% OF TOSSPOTS THAT ARE LEFT TO GET A LYFE 6. ENDORSE CAPS!! 7. ENDORSE GARMONISM 8. ENDORSE FUN 9. ENDORSE THIS 10. NO U!!!!!!! I'll add kudos to this. Also, deleting a post because you don't agree with it is poor class. Really, for shame.
Fitz VonHeise The New Order.	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:24:00 - [20] Please add this link to the resources page: The Thieves Of EvE
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.06.17 21:43:00 - [21] Pretty much what everyone has said about chatlogs and killmails/boards (open them up). Also, I have no issues with trolling or alt postings. This is the internet people.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.06.18 11:10:00 - [22] Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 18/06/2008 11:11:51 Stop banning Garmon. Also KMs and Chatlogs. If they are faked, then be it on the poster's head when it is found out. They are always a great source of LULZ to us. Assumption of Risk
z0de The Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.18 16:20:00 - [23] All killmail/chat logs posts should be put to vote if the killmail/vote was worth posting. If the it was found to not be worthwhile the user is banned from posting (global) for a month. Ban garmon.
M'ing Pai The Really Awesome Players R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.06.18 20:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 18/06/2008 11:11:51 Stop banning Garmon. Also KMs and Chatlogs. If they are faked, then be it on the poster's head when it is found out. They are always a great source of LULZ to us. QFT "Criminals" posting on C&P may have different ideas on etiquette than other people, but those ideas do exist. The community tend to police themselves here, to a great extent, in that people's words and actions do have consequences in game. On that note: I concur that alt posting is a problem. People posting with alts to flame people isn't really in the spirit of C&P, where the entire idea is to "man up". If someone wants to tell me that I suck at PvP, they usually do so behind the safety of an alt. This shouldn't be sanctioned in C&P. I should have the opportunity to make them eat their words in game :-) In short, the moderation is heavy handed against material that I feel is conducive to discussion, and should really be reserved for alt posting and real life threats, and possibly TRULY offensive material.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.19 13:55:00 - [25] Originally by: M'ing Pai If someone wants to tell me that I suck at PvP, they usually do so behind the safety of an alt. You suck at PvP. Edit: Failed Alt Post Detected! We're Recruiting!
Kage Toshimado Kage Clan	Posted - 2008.06.19 19:58:00 - [26] Edited by: Kage Toshimado on 19/06/2008 19:58:40 I would like the Muffin Factory in Crisis thread locked some day. That would be kind of nice for starters... and how about a Ninja smiley for Tchell and her ilk? (I know that's forum wide, but applies to Crime and Punishment more so imo.)
MailDeadDrop Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:55:00 - [27] Preface: I have deep respect for anyone that administers games/websites. It is largely an under appreciated vocation. That said, I have an even deeper respect for the truth. Your posts must be incomplete, because what you wrote doesn't seem true. I wouldn't expect you to outright lie, so therefore I'm missing something. But let us examine your points one-by-one. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Chatlogs for the same reason. Well, please show me where non-killboard, non-chatlog entry posts in C&P are "verifiable and tamper-proof". Since you are currently permitting both killmail content and chatlogs if the participants are redacted, then you need to argue that listing the participants/victims instigates poor discussion. I'm neither asserting nor disputing such a position, only pointing out what the existing rules seem to be indicating. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Posting pictures would be nice but is also a strain on our forum server so again, probably not going to happen. Eh? I believe that the strain is merely your forum software serving up a few bytes like "<img>blahblah</img>". The actual image needn't be on CCP's forum server, and actually shouldn't be, so the bandwidth ("strain") would be on the image server (eve-files.com, imageshack.net, flickr.com, ...) Respectfully, if dubiously, MDD
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.20 17:27:00 - [28] Originally by: MailDeedDrop Preface: I have deep respect for anyone that administers games/websites. It is largely an under appreciated vocation. That said, I have an even deeper respect for the truth.Very Happy Your posts must be incomplete, because what you wrote doesn't seem true. I wouldn't expect you to outright lie, so therefore I'm missing something. But let us examine your points one-by-one. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Chatlogs for the same reason. Well, please show me where non-killboard, non-chatlog entry posts in C&P are "verifiable and tamper-proof".Laughing Since you are currently permitting both killmail content and chatlogs if the participants are redacted, then you need to argue that listing the participants/victims instigates poor discussion. I'm neither asserting nor disputing such a position, only pointing out what the existing rules seem to be indicating. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Posting pictures would be nice but is also a strain on our forum server so again, probably not going to happen. Eh? I believe that the strain is merely your forum software serving up a few bytes like "<img>blahblah</img>". The actual image needn't be on CCP's forum server, and actually shouldn't be, so the bandwidth ("strain") would be on the image server (eve-files.com, imageshack.net, flickr.com, ...) Respectfully, if dubiously, MDD reposted from eve-search because I thought it was a valid and good post.
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.21 10:59:00 - [29] How about restricting posting in C&P to -5.1 and below. -No more alts for the most part. -Serious outlaws only. Keep the scams and alliance related junk in General/CAOD. Also...how about a real mod who is actually an outlaw? I nominate Garmon . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.21 11:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Kage Toshimado ... and how about a Ninja smiley for Tchell and her ilk? (I know that's forum wide, but applies to Crime and Punishment more so imo.) I feel honored! Actually, I think a forum-wide update of all smilies is in order. The ones we have are quite outdated. We're Recruiting!
Fox Ogmo Caritas.	Posted - 2008.06.21 22:42:00 - [31] Banning all alts isn't the way to go. Alts can be fully established characters, the dark pirate yang to a player's carebear yin. Wouldn't want to have to post with my carebear main in C&P
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.06.22 08:40:00 - [32] Originally by: RuleoftheBone How about restricting posting in C&P to -5.1 and below. -No more alts for the most part. -Serious outlaws only. Keep the scams and alliance related junk in General/CAOD. Also...how about a real mod who is actually an outlaw? I nominate Garmon . Everything in this post. Every altpost I've ever seen (even my own) has been a ***poast. I tend to post only with my main in C&P (when it's not banned) out of respect for the rest of the community. I feel that C&P should have the same restriction as CAOD - you must be in a corporation. I also feel that both in CAOD and here that restriction should be taken one step further - only real corporations, no altcrap corporations like THE INTERNET. or Forum Trolls Inc. The moderation in C&P lately has been a huge issue. In the last few days of my forum ban, I haven't seen a single thing that was interesting, at all*, except for the El'tar thread and what happens? You idiots ban El'tar (again). When it's more fun reading CAOD than C&P, somebody's screwing the pooch. (hint: it's the moderation team). DFIAS Recruitment: OPEN
MailDeadDrop Archon Industries	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:27:00 - [33] A minor alteration to the rules (my change in red below): Quote: The posting of killmails is permitted, however following criteria must be met: a) The name of the victim must be removed or covered up. Exception: the victim's name may remain if the poster is the victim. b) The killmail must be posted along with constructive text/content. This means no posting new threads with simply a killmail in it without a comment.
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.06.26 07:28:00 - [34] I don't know why you need so many rules, frankly. So what if some posters don't like the atmosphere in here? We, the criminals and the punishers, like it. We like to read funny chat logs and LOL at stupid killmails. Does it matter if they're fake? Does it matter if people cry? I would ask for a new rule. As in CAOD, make people post with players in real (and therefore war-deckable) corporations. Here's an innovative idea: Let's take a minor security status hit for every post we make in C&P. Or alternatively, disallow posting in this forum except for players above -1.0 (who cannot have bounties placed on them). Then anybody in this channel can say whatever asinine thing they like, but anyone who reads it has at least two ways to punish the poster. . Seeking frigateers!
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.06.26 07:29:00 - [35] Another innovative solution to killboards and the possibility of fraud: Create a universal killboard for all of EVE, with all kills, from everybody, that is searchable and linkable. Then there shall be no more question of fraudulent killmails, selective posting, or anything of that sort. . Seeking frigateers!
Ren Surkova Down In Flames	Posted - 2008.06.28 23:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Another innovative solution to killboards and the possibility of fraud: Create a universal killboard for all of EVE, with all kills, from everybody, that is searchable and linkable. Then there shall be no more question of fraudulent killmails, selective posting, or anything of that sort. this has never been suggested before you're the first
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.07.13 12:23:00 - [37] We need to be able to rate the posts. EVE:"The Hand-holding Age".
DarknessInc Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.07.14 11:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn It's still a community, pure and simple, and the fact that it's a community for the 'lowest form of player' (or so viewed) in EvE, still makes it viable. I read this and read "Make C&P Eve's mild, tamed /b/" Which would be nice!!! :D Put an age verification to enter C&P or even to post! Originally by: Viator Pilot Now I will go back to agents, already without the desire of adventures on the ass :)
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.07.17 11:54:00 - [39] How about a pirate forum where only chars that are of Outlaw status are allowed to post. Would be great to be able to have pirate discussions without endless flaming from victim alts.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.17 12:30:00 - [40] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 17/07/2008 12:31:27 Originally by: CCP Mitnal In common with the other forums, Crime & Punishment will be having a bit of a spring-clean in the near future. Included in this will be a review of the rules for Crime & Punishment, so if you have any suggestions or any sites or threads you wish to highlight to be added to a resource thread, now is your chance. Please post below with any rule change, new rule submission or resource. It's summertime already. Did you mean spring-clean in 2009 or what? Just how hard is it to appoint a clued-up mod and apply no-alt rules? Just asking EDITFree Garmon "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Requiescat HellCorp Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.17 21:56:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Maybe this is a good opportunity to implement a centralized CCP killboard? Also, Havohej, keep in mind that El'Tar is an alt :) -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
PyroThraxus Caldari De Evil Shenanigans	Posted - 2008.07.19 18:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff And lastly - Originally by: PyroThraxus IMHO, the subject of smack/troll posts need to be addressed. You can't open a post in C&P or any other forum on Eve-O with out seeing rude, or uncalled for posts, flames or trolls. Welcome to C&P biitch. This IMO. Allowing this kind of smack/rudeness in a CCP thread should simply be unacceptable. Maybe we just need better forum MODS?
Nexus Kinnon SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.07.20 23:31:00 - [43] Bring back pod or post or just add a stickied thread for people to do it in.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.07.21 21:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Smantha Dering Fix the word filter so words like the word to describe a tear in a ships hull or a crispy tastey salty snack don't get filtered out, I'd also like to use words like sc-ra-pe without being censored. That said, a crack down on trolling maybe? The word filter has been updated. Originally by: PyroThraxus Edited by: PyroThraxus on 16/06/2008 19:03:12 Edited by: PyroThraxus on 16/06/2008 17:19:47 IMHO, the subject of smack/troll posts need to be addressed. You can't open a post in C&P or any other forum on Eve-O with out seeing rude, or uncalled for posts, flames or trolls. Maybe some policy about such posts would invite the newer players in the game to post and become active in the community. I don't post just because of this reason. Maybe a "what mama always said" policy is in order. If you don't have anything nice/constructive to post, don't post anything at all. Perhaps also a renewed policy on the punishment for these posts could help. First offence: Warning Second offence: Temp ban Third offence: Perma ban Only my 2 cents. /me put on flame proof suit and helmet, I posted in C&P. Ninja edit: Also some of the Sigs need to be addressed. What do pictures of scantly clad women (or men) have to do with EVE? Reflection Edit: Also including posts that have nothing to do with Eve. I.E. I just read a post that included a recipe for bananna nut bread. To review our current warning and ban system you can visit the December 2007 blog here. Each post has a report button above it, if you feel that a post is against the rules or offends you, this is the quickest way to get it dealt with by a member of the Community Team. The same goes for any off-topic posts or non-EVE related signatures. Originally by: Dosgar More of a forum-wide suggestion but the ability to rate the quality of people's posts depending on content would be nice. Posts below a certain threshold are minimised, like on youtube and some other sites, which means you don't have to read through post after post of spam and flames. Given the popularity of this I'll forward it on. However, as the CSM were told, changing the forums will take time this is not a quick fix and we are actively looking at upgrading the structure. Alt posting is something I'll forward for discussion but the issue of long-standing alts and that whilst criminals may wish to "man up", there are a number of perps such as corp thieves or scammers that may find their task more difficult because of this. Not all piracy is at the end of a gun. Originally by: MailDeadDrop A minor alteration to the rules (my change in red below): Quote: The posting of killmails is permitted, however following criteria must be met: a) The name of the victim must be removed or covered up. Exception: the victim's name may remain if the poster is the victim. b) The killmail must be posted along with constructive text/content. This means no posting new threads with simply a killmail in it without a comment. I'll add this in, although it is the policy we go by. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Janet Marshall Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.15 00:48:00 - [45] Originally by: RuleoftheBone How about restricting posting in C&P to -5.1 and below. -No more alts for the most part. -Serious outlaws only. Keep the scams and alliance related junk in General/CAOD. Also...how about a real mod who is actually an outlaw? I nominate Garmon . Its Crime AND Punishment. Not just crime.
Vex Cachet Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.21 02:12:00 - [46] I'm new to this forum, so I don't have any experience or context to judge the value of the proposals under discussion, but I have to admit I'm confused by all the concerns expressed by moderators. What did you expect would be the content of a forum section entitled "Crime and Punishment"? Attempts to water down the content by imposing anonymity and forced "constructive commentary" seems to take away exactly what I would imagine most posters want in the first place: bragging rights. To eviscerate these because of a lack of verifiability begs the question why it was ever allowed in the first place? My suggestion would be to re-evaluate the purpose of this forum section. If you want to support the notion of a forum for bragging rights, then either put into place a non-hackable mechanism for ensuring accountabililty or accept that you're going to get unverifiable comments that are going to lead inevitably toward contention. If you cannot guarantee authenticity, then you are necessarily inviting contention. This is really just another illustration of the difference between anonymity and authentication. Anonymity breeds a lack of accountability which breeds anarchy and lawlessness. Authentication shines the white hot spotlight of truth on any discussion. My thoughts, anyway.
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.08.21 11:39:00 - [47] Personaly I would like to see posting only with Main's in the C and P forum. I would also like the ability to rate the quality of a players post. This would then give players a general rating (hopefully displayed) and may wake some poeple up to the fact they need to improve the quality of their own content.
kublai Caldari Art of War	Posted - 2008.08.21 13:16:00 - [48] * Let us link kill mails and killboards This is a forum meant for debating, bragging, humiliating etc etc, it's not as if people don't find these, however they have to go search battleclinic for themselves etc when they could have just klicked a link. * Let us paste chat logs with real names Again, it's not hard for someone to find out who the chat log is about, it's just more effort than it need be, you're not protecting anyone, just annoying. * Set up a separate forum for mercenaries and mercenary wannabes The spam is getting crazed :P * Make the description sound like what it is, a pirate board, not the bounty hunters cabin My wisdom is great, comply or I will pod you Mitnal.
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.21 14:21:00 - [49] no more hammerfail industries threads
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.26 19:44:00 - [50] Originally by: Nicholas Barker no more hammerfail industries threads That, And also Garmon threads.
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.08.26 23:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Haitchi Allamut Originally by: Nicholas Barker no more hammerfail industries threads That, And also Garmon threads. There's a difference - authentic Garmon threads and threads OP'd by certain of his disciples are actually entertaining and funny. Hammerfall threads and all of the spam associated with them are decidedly not funneh! My suggestion (since my last one got deleted as being not important enough for consideration) is to have Mitnal return to using RED text when he moderates. I was just reading some threads from January of this year and his red-text moderation was much more 'evil empire' in feel than the contemporary sunshine-yellow moderation. Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.28 16:14:00 - [52] Originally by: kublai * Set up a separate forum for mercenaries and mercenary wannabes The spam is getting crazed :P * Make the description sound like what it is, a pirate board, not the bounty hunters cabin This. I'd tell all my members to post in favour of this, but instead of spamming the thread just consider this like it was posted by 50 people.
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:16:00 - [53] Edited by: Scrutt5 on 30/08/2008 11:16:31 PLEASE, can we have main only posts in C and P, the number of people hiding behind noob alts is becomming a problem in my opinion. This is crime and punnishment, if poeple feel they need to post in this forum lets do it with our main identities, surley this of all forums warrents this.
Tehopenee	Posted - 2008.09.05 19:40:00 - [54] I havent really looked at the bounty hunting before--seemed to be totally useless if all the normal rules apply. The job aspect would seem to be a joke as you cant really hunt anyone in empire should they go there unless they happen to be red with everyone. Let's face it---this is a game tilted toward the bad guys. :)
Mickey Simon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.14 10:19:00 - [55] Originally by: kublai * Let us link kill mails and killboards This is a forum meant for debating, bragging, humiliating etc etc, it's not as if people don't find these, however they have to go search battleclinic for themselves etc when they could have just klicked a link. * Let us paste chat logs with real names Again, it's not hard for someone to find out who the chat log is about, it's just more effort than it need be, you're not protecting anyone, just annoying. * Set up a separate forum for mercenaries and mercenary wannabes The spam is getting crazed :P * Make the description sound like what it is, a pirate board, not the bounty hunters cabin My wisdom is great, comply or I will pod you Mitnal. This, except I wont pod you. Although killmails and chatlogs can obviously be edited, given that crime and punishment is usually about killing something, or stupid smacktalk it seems really silly to not allow killmails and chatlogs to be posted with real names. As kublai mentioned, if someone wants to find the stuff, they will, but it would be easier to just link and would probably cause more threads to have quality rather than the "edit the names nub" posts that currently pop up when someone accidently posts an unedited chatlog.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:20:00 - [56] I think it would be quite interesting if a character's security status could be displayed along side their character race/corp/alliance etc. I really think alt posting needs to go away. As for the rest (chat logs, killmails etc.) I agree with what has been said above. Also, this forum needs to be for pirates. Not mercs, not bounty hunters. You don't see pirates trolling the mission running forum (much, lol) do you? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
fiber0pti the united	Posted - 2008.10.19 11:43:00 - [57] Originally by: CCP Mitnal I'll certainly bring the points up but the reason these restrictions were put in the first place was down to complaints and the atmosphere fostered in C & P because of them. Killboard linking is unlikely as they're not verifiable, easily manipulated and generally don't bring a good discussion. Chatlogs for the same reason. So let me see if i have this right we give you all the things we would like and you then come back and tell us why we cant have any of them ? Posting pictures would be nice but is also a strain on our forum server so again, probably not going to happen. Alt posting is of obvious concern and we have an idea of how to get a handle on it but people creating alt-corps to troll, there's little we can do within the current rules to stop them from creating the corps, so that's likely to remain a reactive solution to whatever they post. Please resize signature to the maxim allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
quisno	Posted - 2008.10.25 16:47:00 - [58] you know i hear alot of crying about the misuse of the rules of ccp. this is my first posting in here. and i see one thing. every one has an enemy some enemies are more of a pain than others. so you want to kik them. they pay their 15.00 also. hmmm i wonder if the space counsel has a vendeta againt all who would want to be bad guys. lets start a freindly bunny club so that all players can feel warm and fuzzy.then the care bears will have this game. oh goody! get real!!! you have a problem with some one or group. theres mercenaries but that is so messy well maybe eve can start a new group and elect people into that group that when on hearing about these bad guys can go out in their ships kill the perpetrator and tell him/her y it happened. hmmm sounds like to me that this game needs rigorous police action. so in conclusion lets give the ability for some one who is getting set upon by these ruthless criminals the ability to elicit help that we have a corp out their dedicated to protecting the weak and harmless. oh! i was weak and harmless once but through repeated poddings i grew up now i guess im one of the bad guys hmmmm something wrong here wouldnt you think?
fiber0pti Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.27 14:38:00 - [59] wall of text incoming Please resize signature to the maxim allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2008.10.27 14:43:00 - [60] Originally by: quisno you know i hear alot of crying about the misuse of the rules of ccp. this is my first posting in here. and i see one thing. every one has an enemy some enemies are more of a pain than others. so you want to kik them. they pay their 15.00 also. hmmm i wonder if the space counsel has a vendeta againt all who would want to be bad guys. lets start a freindly bunny club so that all players can feel warm and fuzzy.then the care bears will have this game. oh goody! get real!!! you have a problem with some one or group. theres mercenaries but that is so messy well maybe eve can start a new group and elect people into that group that when on hearing about these bad guys can go out in their ships kill the perpetrator and tell him/her y it happened. hmmm sounds like to me that this game needs rigorous police action. so in conclusion lets give the ability for some one who is getting set upon by these ruthless criminals the ability to elicit help that we have a corp out their dedicated to protecting the weak and harmless. oh! i was weak and harmless once but through repeated poddings i grew up now i guess im one of the bad guys hmmmm something wrong here wouldnt you think? what
Zubakis Bambooule	Posted - 2008.10.29 11:30:00 - [61] Thread started in June. Can we have an update on what happened so far and whatever will be done in near future? -- Zuba

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.11.03 14:32:00 - [62] Update: Killboard links and chatlogs. Already discussed in post 6, they cause negativity and non-constructive posts, this is not what we're aiming for. Ditto pod or post. Thunderdome - banning players will not be made a public spectacle. Posting pictures - would have to be forum wide. Alt posting/security standing dependant posting - no alt posting would mean an end to some types of posts such as scam ones that have been popular in the past. Making the forum -10 only would limit the sub forum to so few players to make it not worthwhile. Any other limiting such as -5.1 would be arbitrary and not what we attempt to do with forums. In addition this is both a crime and punishment sub forum, part of the attraction is surely victim threads? Creating a forum for those with a negative standing would require one for those with a positive one too, we are not looking to add sub forums currently. Rating posters is another one that would be forum-wide. I will return to using evil red to moderate if it this pleases you The forum description has caused a lot of angst, we'll gladly take suggestions over how you'd like it to read. Character's security status shown in post - possibly a forum-wide change, requires more research on our part. Look forward to meeting some of you at Fanfest to discuss this further! Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Mickey Simon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.07 05:41:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Update: Killboard links and chatlogs. Already discussed in post 6, they cause negativity and non-constructive posts, this is not what we're aiming for. Ditto pod or post. I understand your reasoning, I think it's rather silly though. Take a look around. Constructive posts are a rarity in this forum. There's so many ridiculously badly thought out OP's and so many comments that are meaningless. As kublai mentioned, if someone wants to find the unedited killmails/chatlogs ir killboard links and they're hosted anywhere on the net - they'll find it anyway. If we were allowed to post them, it makes them much more accessible which is a good thing. From a content perspective, it seems like a silly choice (especially seeing as the level of constructive/legible posts here is so low already) and one that's done heavy handed but if that's the way it's going to be I guess people will just stick with doing their own research.
kongking wang	Posted - 2008.11.14 05:43:00 - [64] no insurance claim for pirating losses in highsec. keep pirating to low sec areas
Rivur'Tam X10 Punishment	Posted - 2008.11.14 17:03:00 - [65] Originally by: kongking wang no insurance claim for pirating losses in highsec. keep pirating to low sec areas What has this to do with shaping c&p ????????? Read before you post I agree with the comment earlier you should be able to show your sec status in c&p.
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.11.19 12:06:00 - [66] Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 19/11/2008 12:06:19 Originally by: Rivur'Tam I agree with the comment earlier you should be able to show your sec status in c&p. That would be awesome, but make it the forum as a whole and not just C&P. Do it, Do it now.
Nebuchadnezzar I Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.16 00:53:00 - [67] Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 16/12/2008 00:55:01 That no chatlog posting rule sure is an idiotic rule. How are you supposed to tell a story then? Wait, if you add "TRUE PIRATE STORY" its okay? How does that make any sense at all. Let people post the funny stories without nukage of threads. EDIT: Fighting flames and trolls by excluding content that interests people is not the way.
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.12.16 10:52:00 - [68] I believe quotations are OK, and long chat logs are just a tedious read. _________________________ Were awesome people go.
Don ZOLA Caldari Exotic Dancers Club Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.17 14:59:00 - [69] we are back with even moar terror to inflict. we want "pod or post" back :D
Ignition SemperFi Private Nuisance	Posted - 2008.12.17 15:34:00 - [70] please do not take away C&P from the alts. Although alt posting may seem bad to some. Other alts are used for scam... as well are victims. Also CCP's way of detecting alts for COAD is no NPC or no under 10member corps. There are quite a few small pirate corps under 10 members, as well pirates that stay in NPC corps. Not to mention highsec pirates that have to maintain a high security status so we can yarr at will. Just saying. ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun. Quote: They already did introduce a counter to missiles, it's called Quantum Rise
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.12.17 15:41:00 - [71] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Crime & Punishment will be having a bit of a spring-clean is it spring yet ? rule change 1: allow logs rule change 2: allow kill mails rule change 27: make every pilot that posts in C&P give me 50% of their wallet isk Join "join sniggwaffe" in game. Good Service!
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.12.17 15:55:00 - [72] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 17/12/2008 15:58:40 My .02 isk: 1) No spammage. Seriously. It is terrible some days. Ban multiple offenders. 2) Alt posting as op only and only when the identity of the poster needs to be protected, e.g. them looking for mercs / partners in crime, or reporting scams / baits. Otherwise, post on your main. 3) No restrictions to sec status etc when posting. (Hello, it's Crime and punishment, I belong here too. ) 4) Any thread that degenerates to pure "did not, did too" about blobbing, docking games, and other standard smack, will be locked. Threads of corporations smacktalking each other are fine as long as the posts add something new. 5) Allow chat logs and killmail links. Yes, they can be forged. So what? Everyone (sensible) knows they can faked. You cannot police people from lying, and km / chat faking is just a form of lying. They don't lead to quality discussion? So what, do doesn't 95 percent of the rest of the stuff in the forums - just see point #4. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:11:00 - [73] Greetings! So far you've said no to the most common things asked for by many of the frequent C&P posters. What is the point of this? Obviously we're striking out here. Why don't you tell us what changes you have in mind. Good Day!
Durethia Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:38:00 - [74] Edited by: Durethia on 17/12/2008 16:41:26 Originally by: CCP Mitnal In common with the other forums, Crime & Punishment will be having a bit of a spring-clean in the near future. Included in this will be a review of the rules for Crime & Punishment, so if you have any suggestions or any sites or threads you wish to highlight to be added to a resource thread, now is your chance. Please post below with any rule change, new rule submission or resource. Mr. Mitnal Please do not open up killboard linking, or relaxing rules regarding killmails. It's already mundane for most eve players to google players, alliances, corporations for killboards. The only real interest in Crime and Punishment in regards to killmails is only the gravity of loss associated to a kill. Such loss can be fused easily into an attractive story, without the official document at hand. A story about some Ibis carrying a multi-billion isk module through 0.0 and going afk at a stargate. The plot really is about how someone got lucky. Crime and Punishment encourages the propaganda machine, just as much as other portions of this forum. This will often result in undue hardship on the victim, or even the perpetrator if their actions aren't all that impressive to others on the forum. On the other hand, I do think "pod or post" is a humorous antic and every time I see one I chuckle a bit. While it might be true they don't contribute much to the forum, I do argue it does hint on the real issue and that's the might of the assailant. I don't think they are as much to embarass the victim as they are to advertise and qualify aggression and dominance of a particular group in an area (i.e. a startup pirate corp might be inclined to have their first victims 'pod or post', to get their name out there). Maybe "pod or post" posts should be required to contain the system the even occured and what group is associated to the demand. Maybe even a new forum for real life Pod or Post submissions, which can be used tactfully by anti-pirates to monitor aggressive trends. It's worth noting that some "Pod or Post" posts, might be a result of good nature on both parties, in the event that the victim really doesn't have the funds to cover the ransom; so the pod or post becomes an acceptable alternative. In short, I favor tighter rules regarding posting killmails/fanmails etc. But the Pod or Post posts are a treat.
Faekurias Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.12.17 16:52:00 - [75] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn I cannot believe that nobody else has posted here yet, however, this is what I would propose: Killboard Linking - Open it up, so that we can properly post killmails, with full Names and Information, and allow linking to Killboards. Characters who appear blocked out in current killmails already come in and say "It's Me!" so I don't see the reason that this should be blocked any further. Chatlogs - Permit full posting of information in chatlogs, as with killboards above, it's already being done. Characters are editing chatlogs to remove some information such as names and the like, however, everybody really knows who it is already, or those people are more than happy to 'step up' and admit it's them. There will always be 'trolling', and by limiting the information that's posted, it's not really curbing it in any way, shape or form. Good points, I think names should still be secret though, else they'd never allow killmail posting. Killboards will probably be a bit of a stretch, hilarious as some instances can be. Chatlogs , I want them too, but still only OP's name. Reason for limitation is the same as above. ------------------ Recruiting..
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2008.12.18 01:05:00 - [76] I am a fan of not using alts to post in C&P. - We are anonymous. We Are legion.
PerrinAybarra Bad Temper's Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2008.12.18 02:58:00 - [77] well this one is kinda forum wide for alt posters lock the forum posting ability to 1 character per account or only switchable once every 7 days. Of course you would need to add another info window of are you sure this is the correct character you want.
small chimp	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:01:00 - [78] I am full of those one liner garmon troll posts and thread!
Shuyun Shonto SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.12.18 03:55:00 - [79] asking for our ideas when you obviously already know exactly what you are and are not willing to do seems pointless. Tell us your ideas and ask for criticism, don't pretend we get a vote when our vote doesn't matter. I find that much more disrespectful than just saying, "Here's what we're doing, what are your thoughts?" At least then we know right off the bat what the score is.
Psychotic Penguin Gallente The Professional's Club The Second Genesis	Posted - 2008.12.18 05:54:00 - [80] 1. change name from "Crime and Punishment" to "Crime" 2. no alt posts 3. must display corp/alliance 4. display sec status 5. way to post verified KMs 6. more of a forum wide thing, mod list of how many people etch mod has banned and hours they work so we know when it is OK to flame/troll the forums and when to be careful ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination.
tiller Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2008.12.18 07:34:00 - [81] - no alts - fanfair play whenever i make a post - sec status displayed
SunGod RA Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.12.18 11:34:00 - [82] here's what would make crime & punishment better: 1) walking to the devbox and (metaphorically) punch someone (ingame) until SMURGLEBLASTER gets seeded (don't hurt anyone but be convincing!!) 2) steal all the dev's rhum to coax them into seeding SMURGLEBLASTER (let's call this plan B) 3) mod's text in red is cool be thirsty maybe as xmas gift to the outlaws (-5.0) only? these are the real critical issues imo!
LtCol Killgore	Posted - 2008.12.18 15:37:00 - [83] you could sticky individual advert threads for merc corps, dunno what the criteria would be, e.g how you'd judge whether a merc corp was good enough for the sticky... you could do the same for pirate corps, giving them each a thread to brag about the latest comedy yar, and let them post killmails/chat logs in them. that way it would be easy enough for the innocent un-corrupted amougnst us to stear clear and not fill the dev inboxs with complaints... could they be automated to clean them of all replies everytime the title page was updated to stop you having to go 50 pages in to find comments on the current topic? as the above 2 suggestions would give the common occupants of this forum a more defined outlet, you could then get away with being abit more strict (seems what your looking to do) over the type of general threads poasted? e.g just lock and delete pointless spam it would take a dev or two awhile to get this established, and agin i'm not sure how you'd judge you was 'worthy' of sticky and who wasn't just my 2 pieces of eight
Dun Bynar Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.18 22:39:00 - [84] AS i am an alt poster i wish to make it clear that WHO i am in the game is of no concern to those that post in forums. Game playing personas, and seperate forum personas do not effect or negate opinions offered on forums, and allows for those players whos corps have stringent rules concerning forums post. A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.
Tekno Viking	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:05:00 - [85] if this isn't the most *****ed idea ever... how about dont fuk with C&P CCP, you've already fuked everything* else up.
My'kel An'jelo Amarr Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.12.19 02:27:00 - [86] Originally by: Dun Bynar AS i am an alt poster i wish to make it clear that WHO i am in the game is of no concern to those that post in forums. Game playing personas, and seperate forum personas do not effect or negate opinions offered on forums, and allows for those players whos corps have stringent rules concerning forums post. If you don't agree with your current corporation's policy on forums, find a new corp.
tiller Ministry of Destruction	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:00:00 - [87] Edited by: tiller on 19/12/2008 08:00:48 oh i forgot, ccp to send out complimentry tissues to pretty much every poster in c&p.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:21:00 - [88] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi Not to mention highsec pirates that have to maintain a high security status so we can yarr at will. Just saying. There are pirates that aren't flashy red? Me thinks they aren't pirates. Anywho, I'm throwing in a vote for sec status to be displayed (why not?) and KM links being allowed. We like making fun of people who happen to be less fortunate than us... hell, we like making fun of ourselves if we do something really stupid. It's part of the game. You want verified, I think the green box around a kill on battleclinic equates to verified by api, but someone would have to check that to make sure. As for chat logs, yeah, they can't be verified, and if they are obnoxiously long no one reads them anyways; try just limiting them a bit (any pointless chat is removed, and only the relevant parts are left). Yeah, it means mods would actually have to read the post and make a decision, but I think you guys can handle it. Again, we like making fun of stupid people... sorry, people who aren't as capable of carrying on a normal conversation without turning to threats of their "Titan flying main" or tears of "I hope you feel better, because your mother hated you" .
Squirrrel Gallente Squirrrel Industries	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:53:00 - [89] Originally by: Shuyun Shonto asking for our ideas when you obviously already know exactly what you are and are not willing to do seems pointless. Tell us your ideas and ask for criticism, don't pretend we get a vote when our vote doesn't matter. I find that much more disrespectful than just saying, "Here's what we're doing, what are your thoughts?" At least then we know right off the bat what the score is. Lol. How true.
Arcon Telf Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.12.19 17:48:00 - [90] The issue I feel most passionately about is alt posting. There's just no place for it in C&P.
Sanka Cofie Amarr Fractured Core	Posted - 2008.12.20 19:26:00 - [91] Edited by: Sanka Cofie on 20/12/2008 19:29:00 [edit cuz I changed my mind on kb-linking. would be nice. but can live without it.] I think there should be a button that forum mods can press which will deduct 25M isk from a posters account and give it to the thread starter. This button should be available on all forums to be pressed whenever someone responds to a thread without bothering to read a single post in it, especially failure to read the OP. This happens in pretty much every thread and the "Read The Damned Posts" button would quickly limit the number of inane posts from people who feel compelled to reply to a thread but not to actually read any of it. ~-~-~-~-~ -[WillChat4ISK]- I can be the handsome Amarr space captain. You can be the helpless Minmatar slave girl.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.12.20 21:32:00 - [92] Alt posting is 90% of what is wrong with these forums. C&P is no exception. When people have to live with what they say, they think more carefully about it.
Jalif Black Sinisters	Posted - 2008.12.20 21:39:00 - [93] All the stuff for improvent already have been said. Specialy the display of security status is a must. I don't know often if I read an anti-pie or a pirate reply. CEO of Black Sinisters
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.20 22:33:00 - [94] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 20/12/2008 22:41:01 Insulting, demeaning, e-peen waving, ridiculing new players, bashing different playstyles, griefing, taunting, etc, etc, is 100% of what's wrong with these forums. Allowing killmails to be posted with names is just another way to add insult to the already injured. C&P is especially a breeding ground for taunting and bullying. If it was done tastefully or with no ill-intentions it'd be a different story. But mostly it's done with the intent to ridicule and taunt. I think if there was a different maturity level among us it'd also be different. C&P is no where near ready to be allowed to police itself or to ease up on any rules. And yes, I know I bully bullies here in the forums. If C&P wasnt so riddled with bullies, take my word, I wouldn't do what I do.
Eudamidas	Posted - 2008.12.20 23:43:00 - [95] Edited by: Eudamidas on 20/12/2008 23:43:34 There is no way to enforce maturity, reasonable post's get shot down by the 'forum warriors', little clique's etc... Best way to improve forums? Remove them or mod them far more heavily, bring in squelch bans (1-2 hour long etc) for people who bring absolutley nothing useful, or shoot down useful posts. But use moderaters with common sense, don't need ******s, people with a sense of humour who can see when something is funny, or when something is uncalled for..... Posting suggestions when drunk is genius btw~ edit: wow, h1tler is a swear word? :/ ~ Woke up, got myself a gun
Htrag The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2008.12.21 01:08:00 - [96] 54th in a fail thread. Originally by: Matrix Skye Insulting, demeaning, e-peen waving, ridiculing new players, bashing different playstyles, griefing, taunting, etc, etc, is 100% of what's wrong with these forums. hmm wat? thats what makes C+P what it is. This is eve.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.12.21 02:22:00 - [97] Personally I'd like more/better control on sh!tposting, and not just a slap on the hand but ban all accounts from that user. This doesn't only go for C&P ofcourse. The idiot-noise to signal ratio is far too high. This isn't 4chan, it's a gameforum and CCP should take better care of their portal to new and existing customers.
Htrag The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2008.12.21 02:25:00 - [98] Originally by: Tzar'rim Personally I'd like more/better control on sh!tposting, and not just a slap on the hand but ban all accounts from that user. This doesn't only go for C&P ofcourse. The idiot-noise to signal ratio is far too high. This isn't 4chan, it's a gameforum and CCP should take better care of their portal to new and existing customers. sure, but this isn't the channel for that my friend. C+P is and should always be the litter box of hello kitty online.
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.12.21 10:37:00 - [99] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 19/12/2008 08:00:48 oh i forgot, ccp to send out complimentry tissues to pretty much every poster in c&p. i'd prefer an andrex puppy personally theres nothing like a snotty cute dog .....
Dun Bynar Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.21 11:44:00 - [100] Edited by: Dun Bynar on 21/12/2008 12:01:14 Originally by: My'kel An'jelo Originally by: Dun Bynar and allows for those players whos corps have stringent rules concerning forums post. If you don't agree with your current corporation's policy on forums, find a new corp. M8 I left for you to reread the part of my post you demonstrated not grasping. my reason for using an alt is my own, and has nothing to do with any corp. Another reason for a poster on c&p could well be criminal anonimity, you know "dont want the goody two shoes after me" kind thing...not all pirates care for limelight. Another reason may be the poster is a goody two shoes and doesnt want the criminals after him/her. Many reason to allow alt posting, so far i have only read one for not which seems to be widespread : Originally by: Malcanis Alt posting is 90% of what is wrong with these forums. C&P is no exception. When people have to live with what they say, they think more carefully about it. Hello? A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.
Yarrmageddon Gallente Aeon Of Strife R.U.R.	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:13:00 - [101] I'd like to see stricter moderation when it comes to insults and name-calling. I don't mind people being rude or making fun of each other, Eve is a harsh place after all and it is okay if this carries over into the forums. Insulting each other however does not contribute to that atmosphere, it's just uncivilized and stupid. Crack down on the simple minded beings who repeatedly resort to this, please. _ _ _
Susung Alt Anti-defamation League	Posted - 2008.12.21 17:49:00 - [102] I kinda like C&P the way it is, I rarely post here but it is the first one I read when I am bored at work. Some of the trolls are hilarious, hate to see them stopped. I mean, if you want to be treated well you don't go into the dirty bar down the street with all the bikes parked out front, but if you wanna see some bbs, get drunk and pick a fist fight it is the place you are looking for.
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.21 19:48:00 - [103] Edited by: RedSplat on 21/12/2008 19:48:27 No more alt posting, Alliance and Corp always display, likewise a characters sec status under such and perhaps a flat out ban on anyone being able to even post here if they have positive sec status; you only need -1.9 to get into 1.0 sec afterall. There was even talk of French toast But there was none to be had
Mika Meroko Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.12.21 21:18:00 - [104] yeah, I always though C&P is like... the forum for people to brag/tear-collection.... I still dont see how the description of the forum fits with the content of it... maybe should just renamed C&P to: "Crime, we laugh at Victims" Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
Susung Alt Anti-defamation League	Posted - 2008.12.21 23:06:00 - [105] I see lots of anti-alt sentiment here and it concerns me. How do you define an alt and how does CCP decide who the alt is? one poster per account? skill point limit? member of a corp or alliance? no matter what I can still get in and I am most certainly an ALT. And no matter what method you use you take a chance of not letting someone post who is a 'MAIN. I just can not concieve how it would work.

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