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killerkeano Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.06.12 06:50:00 - [1] OK call me sceptical... But unless i'm mistaken people are risking there ships and fittings for "pretend" wars... ok so it suits the role players.. For the majority apart from free war targets!! YARR what's there to gain??? what's there to it? I mean I see a guy in local "come on guys let's kill the caldari scum" ... erm ok mate.... why would i do that? why would i risk an astarte or anything for some glorified lvl4 mission? I'm not going to get my corp anything.. Alliance's wont gain control of a system? My corp gets naff all out of it... maybe i'm missing the point? If I have I sincerely appologise. But from a real pvp'ers point of view appart from the chance to camp a gate and exterminate all the bears flocking to see an NPC titan or some crrap I see no reason if I get no gain myself to risk my ship and mods. ok ok a t1 cruiser cost sheet and its free pvp some may say.. wow great. IS it just a free war dec??????? I'm really not trying to create a stir, more trying to get my head around it and think.. why would i risk a ship for a bullcr*p cause over fighting for space/alliance/contract/defend allies ? R.I.P Tiller
RuleoftheBone Ataraxia.	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:00:00 - [2] Originally by: killerkeano But from a real pvp'ers point of view appart from the chance to camp a gate Oxymoron much? Give it a few weeks. See how it goes.
Danae Melios Federation Zone Operations Command	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:00:00 - [3] Dunno about others, but I have been in fleets of about 20-50 all day, no one really camping us in at all. We're not running missions, we are ganking mission runners and running the plexes that we find for control points. Sure, control points don't mean much to a corp, but it seems that a lot of new people are being introduced to pvp for the first time, killing and losing ships while under the tutelage of some pretty experienced people. It's been fun so far, much more fun than the deep space stuff I've been in.
Luh Windan Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Luh Windan on 12/06/2008 07:01:46 because for some of us it is just a game. Fun. It is nice after a hard days work to run around with a bunch of people shooting things. I have a family and a business - my internet spaceships are there to be blown up (and with me flying them they will be). It is a different part of the game from alliances - I might just as well say: why would I want to get involved in a corp and work hard and struggle to gain imaginary internet star territories. Different things for different players.
killerkeano Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:05:00 - [5] isn't that what a normal corp is for? I mean try merc work... You can shoot AND get paid..
Luh Windan Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:08:00 - [6] Originally by: killerkeano isn't that what a normal corp is for? I mean try merc work... You can shoot AND get paid.. hey -so its not for you. Don't do it. easy. It is not going to appeal to everyone.
Delichon Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:09:00 - [7] Originally by: killerkeano But unless i'm mistaken pretend pilots are risking their pretend ships and fittings for pretend wars... No, you'r not mistaken, working as intended.
Lord WarATron Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:15:00 - [8] A lot of people are having fun because thats all ships are pretty much used for. Very few people are playing FW for isk or rewards, most are playing for fun rather than sit mining or shooting npc's all day.
killerkeano Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Delichon Originally by: killerkeano But unless i'm mistaken pretend pilots are risking their pretend ships and fittings for pretend wars... No, you'r not mistaken, working as intended. at any point did i use the words that you quoted? no. i said "pretend wars" dont misquote me!I said nothing of "pretend pilots" and "pretend ships" and never would. f8kin carebear,and its "you're not you'r I was entirely polite about my question and purely trying to grasp why people would loose a ship for a nonsense cause.when they can fight for a corp/alliance that would pay for the effort. It's the PVE community trying their hand at PVP yet no bounties and missions rewards??
killerkeano Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:19:00 - [10] also a way for PVP community to get easy kills
auverne	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:22:00 - [11] Edited by: auverne on 12/06/2008 07:22:31 Originally by: killerkeano Originally by: Delichon Originally by: killerkeano But unless i'm mistaken pretend pilots are risking their pretend ships and fittings for pretend wars... No, you'r not mistaken, working as intended. at any point did i use the words that you quoted? no. i said "pretend wars" dont misquote me!I said nothing of "pretend pilots" and "pretend ships" and never would. f8kin carebear,and its "you're not you'r I was entirely polite about my question and purely trying to grasp why people would loose a ship for a nonsense cause.when they can fight for a corp/alliance that would pay for the effort. It's the PVE community trying their hand at PVP yet no bounties and missions rewards?? so who farms the money that these alliances pay you with? and what are the requirements for you being in such an alliance? mention skill point limit, previous experience, hours you have to log, and causes you have to dedicate to
Andrue	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:23:00 - [12] Originally by: killerkeano OK call me sceptical... Hello, Sceptical. Quote: But unless i'm mistaken people are risking there ships and fittings for "pretend" wars... So is everyone that plays Eve. These are real wars. The only people that should take Eve seriously are CCP and its affiliates. For the players it's all imaginary and none of it matters. You really, really need to understand that.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:25:00 - [13] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/06/2008 07:25:25 So then, flying against opponents fitted for PvP in an RP context is just pretend fighting, but camping gates and ganking lone haulers is real PvP. I guess that's where I've been going all this time.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:25:00 - [14] Originally by: killerkeano OK call me sceptical... But unless i'm mistaken people are risking there ships and fittings for "pretend" wars... ok so it suits the role players.. For the majority apart from free war targets!! YARR what's there to gain??? what's there to it? I mean I see a guy in local "come on guys let's kill the caldari scum" ... erm ok mate.... why would i do that? why would i risk an astarte or anything for some glorified lvl4 mission? I'm not going to get my corp anything.. Alliance's wont gain control of a system? My corp gets naff all out of it... maybe i'm missing the point? If I have I sincerely appologise. But from a real pvp'ers point of view appart from the chance to camp a gate and exterminate all the bears flocking to see an NPC titan or some crrap I see no reason if I get no gain myself to risk my ship and mods. ok ok a t1 cruiser cost sheet and its free pvp some may say.. wow great. IS it just a free war dec??????? I'm really not trying to create a stir, more trying to get my head around it and think.. why would i risk a ship for a bullcr*p cause over fighting for space/alliance/contract/defend allies ? R.I.P Tiller Um. For fun?
killerkeano Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:25:00 - [15] Originally by: auverne Edited by: auverne on 12/06/2008 07:22:31 Originally by: killerkeano Originally by: Delichon Originally by: killerkeano But unless i'm mistaken pretend pilots are risking their pretend ships and fittings for pretend wars... No, you'r not mistaken, working as intended. at any point did i use the words that you quoted? no. i said "pretend wars" dont misquote me!I said nothing of "pretend pilots" and "pretend ships" and never would. f8kin carebear,and its "you're not you'r I was entirely polite about my question and purely trying to grasp why people would loose a ship for a nonsense cause.when they can fight for a corp/alliance that would pay for the effort. It's the PVE community trying their hand at PVP yet no bounties and missions rewards?? so who farms the money that these alliances pay you with? and what are the requirements for you being in such an alliance? mention skill point limit, previous experience, hours you have to log, and causes you have to dedicate to you deviate from the point, what has requirements have to do with anything?
auverne	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:29:00 - [16] Edited by: auverne on 12/06/2008 07:30:20 Originally by: killerkeano Originally by: auverne Edited by: auverne on 12/06/2008 07:22:31 Originally by: killerkeano at any point did i use the words that you quoted? no. i said "pretend wars" dont misquote me!I said nothing of "pretend pilots" and "pretend ships" and never would. f8kin carebear,and its "you're not you'r I was entirely polite about my question and purely trying to grasp why people would loose a ship for a nonsense cause.when they can fight for a corp/alliance that would pay for the effort. It's the PVE community trying their hand at PVP yet no bounties and missions rewards?? so who farms the money that these alliances pay you with? and what are the requirements for you being in such an alliance? mention skill point limit, previous experience, hours you have to log, and causes you have to dedicate to you deviate from the point, what has requirements have to do with anything? well in order to receive benefits you speak of that you consider worthy you have to get into such corp/alliance fight, right? compare how easy it is to get into fw vs one of these alliances you also did not answer who farms the money that these alliances pay you with "for the effort"?
Eddie Org The Pikey Rebellion II	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:32:00 - [17] we do it for the fun. we do it cause its a nice and easy way of actually finding pvp. rewards are just as crap in faction warfare as they are mostly in normal pvp as well, but in faction warfare you dont have to wait around for hours trying to find a single target when you know there is a ton of them all around low sec
killerkeano Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/06/2008 07:25:25 So then, flying against opponents fitted for PvP in an RP context is just pretend fighting, but camping gates and ganking lone haulers is real PvP. I guess that's where I've been going all this time. wow you're so right. there was me camping gates in delve today thinking come on please just 1 little hauler with some dolls. Typical troll. You try to get a constructive conversation of both side to FW and you get some tard going on about pirates purely as he has absolutely nothing to say.As for other comment as to all wars are "pretend"... Yeah mate I guess in a way you are right!! and what a great point!!!!! Suppose one of the 2 types of PVP you get paid for though... makes a difference.. I'm not saying either are right.. but was purely talking from my point of view in that if you want PVP it aint hard to find. Some young players will tag along with this thinking all is well loose everything and be out of pocket, where there are 0.0 / merc corps that will cover there loses, or at least help.
El Yatta Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:35:00 - [19] Originally by: killerkeano also a way for PVP community to get easy kills You're not in the PVP community, otherwise you wouldnt be asking the question in the OP.
Quelque Chose New Eden Roller Disco Supply	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:36:00 - [20] See, here's the thing: Pirates and spaceholding alliances make a living by shooting people and for fun they... post killmails? Troll the forums? Hi sec carebears make a living by shooting roids and npcs and for fun... well, the last couple days looks like they've been shooting people.
Torak Dakos Dark Sabaoth	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:52:00 - [21] Edited by: Torak Dakos on 12/06/2008 07:52:32 Yes, at the moment it's purely for fun and RP. But I have hope that in future versions of FW they will bring some benefits to the militia holding the system sov.
killerkeano Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:56:00 - [22] Edited by: killerkeano on 12/06/2008 08:02:16 Edited by: killerkeano on 12/06/2008 07:59:21 Edited by: killerkeano on 12/06/2008 07:59:05 auverne erm i get paid nothing/mine nothing "farm" as you put it.Or are you saying everyone that lives in 0.0 are just isk farmers? i just pew pew in delve when theres soemthing to pew pew. I tend to leave CAOD to the grown ups and perhaps you should also. You've deviated so far from the topic perhaps i can sell you a hulk bpo? or maybe you wanna buy some veldspar? I recieve NO INCOME from PVP apart from odd loot. When i said people can make isk from PVP i mentioned "merc" corps specifically ....you know where you get paid for pvp, perhaps you should try reading the best part of the forum that is C&P. its where all the cool kids hang out. from this point on i consider you porridge suitable stirred and post with your main assbandit
killerkeano Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.06.12 07:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Torak Dakos Edited by: Torak Dakos on 12/06/2008 07:52:32 Yes, at the moment it's purely for fun and RP. But I have hope that in future versions of FW they will bring some benefits to the militia holding the system sov. yeah i hope so too mate, that way people are rewarded for their efforts
malcotch Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:07:00 - [24] This FW is great, I'm really enjoying it. It has introduced me to PVP, I have learnt a lot in the first 2 days, its my first experience of Fleet operations, which is valuable for the future. I have lost a Slasher (tackler) and some Rifters, no big deal! the fittings cost more than the ships! I can cope with the losses, the modules is the main expense and doing a few missions will correct my wallet. I will be using cruisers soon and again can afford to loose them! The good side effect, is the amount of modules that I have used in just 2 days and this will have an effect on the markets! So others will gain from this FW. But I expect prices will go up :( I'm already struggling to find named autocannons at cheap prices! Gaining rank etc. is also a good incentive to gain status, but the rewards are lousy. I think the rewards for missions etc. should be increased!
auverne	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:17:00 - [25] Originally by: killerkeano auverne erm i get paid nothing/mine nothing "farm" as you put it.Or are you saying everyone that lives in 0.0 are just isk farmers? i just pew pew in delve when theres soemthing to pew pew. I tend to leave CAOD to the grown ups and perhaps you should also. You've deviated so far from the topic perhaps i can sell you a hulk bpo? or maybe you wanna buy some veldspar? I recieve NO INCOME from PVP apart from odd loot. When i said people can make isk from PVP i mentioned "merc" corps specifically ....you know where you get paid for pvp, perhaps you should try reading the best part of the forum that is C&P. its where all the cool kids hang out. from this point on i consider you porridge suitable stirred and post with your main assbandit ok well forget the word "farm" ... farm is used in broad context as i explained previously to mean generate money by doing something repetitive like running missions or complexes, it doesn't imply that you're an isk farmer or whatever so when you wrote: Originally by: killerkeano ... purely trying to grasp why people would loose a ship for a nonsense cause.when they can fight for a corp/alliance that would pay for the effort. It's the PVE community trying their hand at PVP yet no bounties and missions rewards?? I was just asking about this "corp/alliance that would pay for the effort" and i was curious to know the following - i'll just answer for you since you managed to avoid answering it being so bothered by the word "farm" how these corps make money - you say noob mercs but i've hired noob merc corps for the laughs and they charged something like 10-15 mil per member per week, this is very little money in EVE nowadays, they also had to fight with only about 15 active targets that often docked and soon quit their corp because of the war dec - much fun there in fw your targets actually fight you and there's lots of them requirements - fyi a lot of merc corps that are hiring want you to have at least 10 million in skill points, a few might take you in with 5 mil sp, you should be self-sufficient, a team player, and relatively active - compare that to fw where you can join as soon as you get that 0.5 standing, no one cares how much time you log or what ships you can afford to bring to the fights so i was just asking you some questions to get you to think about this so that you can see advantages fw has over joining say a noob merc corp
Takashima Gara	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:20:00 - [26] your all a bunch of tossers espically that keano guy ^_^ FW sucks IMO i never did like RP much
auverne	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Takashima Gara your all a bunch of tossers espically that keano guy ^_^ FW sucks IMO i never did like RP much you mean to say you never had imagination enough to rp /end troll
DeadRow Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:25:00 - [28] Quote: what's there to gain??? If you don't feel you benefit from it then don't join, simple as tbh. As with most of the EvE experience its about fun, if you have fun while losing your astarte I would consider that gaining something.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Animin Mannja Edited by: Animin Mannja on 12/06/2008 07:36:59 For FW: Quick, focussed, accessible PVP with territorial control elements, practically on demand, without needing to commit to anything long term. Against FW: Unlike standard conflicts, controlling territory doesn't give long-term benefits such as cashflow or resources, and you have to support your own losses. Although you do get spiffy rank badges. It's very appealing to those who want to shoot people on occasion but don't want to commit to a PVP lifestyle. Weekend warriors are go! You are mixing 0.0 alliance life with PvP. It's a misconception many do. These two are not binded to each other, and the fact that many do live in Empire doesn't exclude them from a PvP lifestyle mate.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.12 08:42:00 - [30] So are lowsec people already whining about carebears that shoot back and gank them? Oh lord...waaaah waaah my PvP skillzors cant handle anything but ganking haulers or being 5:1 vs a mission runner waaah waaah. Keep the show rolling, I¦m still laughing.

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