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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:46:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
But I really didn't know about the European military thing. What nationality is it? Is it made up of members of every country in the EU? Is it the European Parliament that gets to decide where they go and what they do? Because if so, we have a group of unelected individuals controlling a continent-spanning military, which is a little bit scary. How big is this military?
Its nationality is European, the RAF, Luftwaffe and the rest are disbanded and amalgamated into a new service spanning the EU.
With the Lisbon treaty rattified we would be able to get to the point where we could elect EPs as opposed to electing the parlaiment to elect amongst themselves who gets to be EP. Tbqh, when it was made it was seen as just another office like the Treasury or the Home Office, and although needs to be changed hasn't.
WHAT??!
They're going to disband the militaries of member nations?  |
stoats
Damage Inflicted
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:48:00 -
[32]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
But I really didn't know about the European military thing. What nationality is it? Is it made up of members of every country in the EU? Is it the European Parliament that gets to decide where they go and what they do? Because if so, we have a group of unelected individuals controlling a continent-spanning military, which is a little bit scary. How big is this military?
Its nationality is European, the RAF, Luftwaffe and the rest are disbanded and amalgamated into a new service spanning the EU.
With the Lisbon treaty rattified we would be able to get to the point where we could elect EPs as opposed to electing the parlaiment to elect amongst themselves who gets to be EP. Tbqh, when it was made it was seen as just another office like the Treasury or the Home Office, and although needs to be changed hasn't.
WHAT??!
They're going to disband the militaries of member nations?
Its a possible outcome but the thing i fear more is the fact we could end up being another USA (no offence) but we would loose our indivuality infavour of 1 group overseeing a large clump of countries. |
Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:49:00 -
[33]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: Kirjava
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
But I really didn't know about the European military thing. What nationality is it? Is it made up of members of every country in the EU? Is it the European Parliament that gets to decide where they go and what they do? Because if so, we have a group of unelected individuals controlling a continent-spanning military, which is a little bit scary. How big is this military?
Its nationality is European, the RAF, Luftwaffe and the rest are disbanded and amalgamated into a new service spanning the EU.
With the Lisbon treaty rattified we would be able to get to the point where we could elect EPs as opposed to electing the parlaiment to elect amongst themselves who gets to be EP. Tbqh, when it was made it was seen as just another office like the Treasury or the Home Office, and although needs to be changed hasn't.
WHAT??!
They're going to disband the militaries of member nations?
That was the plan yes, as Brits we should know the drill, disband Scottish and English Militarizes and Parliaments then immediatly sighn the formation of the UK with a British Military and Navy.
Same thing, all member states dissolve their parliaments and militarizes and reform under the EU or whatever they name it's succesor state. |
Kyanzes
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:49:00 -
[34]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
WHAT??!
They're going to disband the militaries of member nations?
It would be a lot more efficient that way. What's wrong with that?
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: stoats
Its a possible outcome but the thing i fear more is the fact we could end up being another USA (no offence) but we would loose our indivuality infavour of 1 group overseeing a large clump of countries.
Nah, fairly certain we would keep all cultural things we decide are worth keeping.
Scotland, Cornwall and Wales I point to as examples of cultures surviving the unions of their former nation-states. |
ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:51:00 -
[36]
Okay, clearly I'm not as informed about this as I thought I was. Now I'm starting to see 7's point of view. How scary is that? |
Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Okay, clearly I'm not as informed about this as I thought I was. Now I'm starting to see 7's point of view. How scary is that?
Hideously - problem is I enjoy the prospect of Europe becoming a superpower.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. |
Kyanzes
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 16:58:00 -
[38]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Okay, clearly I'm not as informed about this as I thought I was. Now I'm starting to see 7's point of view. How scary is that?
You shouldn't be afraid of it. You should welcome it. It would unite Europe under one flag, and our way towards victory, paved by the bodies of those oppose us, would finally be clear. March with us!  I couldn't resist, sorry. Anyways, you see the boogeyman where isn't one. It's only logical for the EU to finally evolve further into an emp... I mean confederation.
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GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. |
7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:02:00 -
[39]
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Okay, clearly I'm not as informed about this as I thought I was. Now I'm starting to see 7's point of view. How scary is that?
relinked in case you missed it
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:03:00 -
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Europe would be the worlds premier super power should it be united, the majority of the worlds great powers are in Europe, and with all of them bar Britain currently using the Euro the odds of WW3 being a European conflict are gone, the economy becoming hideously powerful and becoming slowly the globes reserve currency over the dollar, seems we are in for good times.
Bringing in the eastern block is modernizing them and removing them from Russian influence, personally I hope that one day we will be welcoming Russia into the fold 
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. |
ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:06:00 -
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LONG LIVE THE EMPI... I mean, EU!!!
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:07:00 -
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The treaty of Lisbon is not calling for a dismantling of each country's military in favour of a unified one, but rather a common defence policy:
"The common security and defence policy shall include the progressive framing of a common defence policy. This will lead to a common defence, when the European Council, acting unanimously, so decides".
On the other hand, some European leaders (such as Germany's Merkel and France's Sarkozy) have publicly stated they want to move to a unified army model in the future.
The European Council, who would be deciding on defence policy, is not a bunch of unelected officials as some posts here seem to imply, but the collection of the elected heads of state of each European nation (along with the figure of the President of the European Comission).
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:10:00 -
[43]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/06/2008 17:14:37
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
LONG LIVE THE EMPI... I mean, EU!!!
they don't care about you or your family or your dreams, or your suffering or your hopes, don't you get it by now.
fair elections.. hah.. talk to the easter bunny lately?
and if you don't stand up it just gets worse, you can't run away or crawl into the corner and pretend everything is going to be ok.
how would you like a microchip in you so that you can be directed and they can make or break you and your family and everyone you care for, at the push of a button.
"tell me mr. anderson, what good is a phone call if you are unable to speak?"
ladies and gentlemen, say hi to the verichip corporation, we are here for your protection.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:12:00 -
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Ah, if it was assumed I meant Lisbon was that which declared the establishment of a European military my aplogies, it is something on the table but which hasn't formally been signed.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. |
Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:12:00 -
[45]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
LONG LIVE THE EMPI... I mean, EU!!!
they don't care about you or your family or your dreams, or your suffering or your hopes, don't you get it by now.
fair elections.. hah.. talk to the easter bunny lately?
Are you American?
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. |
Keta Min
LEGI0N
F.E.A.R Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:15:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Kirjava
Bringing in the eastern block is modernizing them and removing them from Russian influence, personally I hope that one day we will be welcoming Russia into the fold
or we will become part of greater russia
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ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:15:00 -
[47]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
LONG LIVE THE EMPI... I mean, EU!!!
they don't care about you or your family or your dreams, or your suffering or your hopes, don't you get it by now.
Nor does any government I know of. So what?
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:17:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Kirjava
Ah, if it was assumed I meant Lisbon was that which declared the establishment of a European military my aplogies, it is something on the table but which hasn't formally been signed.
yes it's in the works, along with many other sweet and fuzzy feel good things.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:18:00 -
[49]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/06/2008 17:22:14
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
LONG LIVE THE EMPI... I mean, EU!!!
they don't care about you or your family or your dreams, or your suffering or your hopes, don't you get it by now.
Nor does any government I know of. So what?
they aren't the government, they control the government, there is a big difference.
why get your hands dirty prematurely when you can get some poor saps to do it for you untill noone can stand up against you.
don't pretend you didn't know, it has been said for many many years. Only now we are at the point where the time is for the actualy choice to be made. the people of ireland who unlike many others had the fortune to actually be able to have a say in the matter, has made theirs, what will yours be? |
ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:20:00 -
[50]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
ladies and gentlemen, say hi to the verichip corporation, we are here for your protection.
OMG that's so cool! 
They can implant a blood glucose sensor? I would KILL for one of those. I'm diabetic, so having one of those things would save me having to stab my finger 5 times a day |
ReaperOfSly
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:21:00 -
[51]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
LONG LIVE THE EMPI... I mean, EU!!!
they don't care about you or your family or your dreams, or your suffering or your hopes, don't you get it by now.
Nor does any government I know of. So what?
they aren't the government, they control the government, there is a big difference.
why get your hands dirty prematurely when you can get some poor saps to do it for you untill noone can stand up against you.
If someone controls the government, they ARE the government. Government being defined as that entity which governs. |
7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:24:00 -
[52]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/06/2008 17:25:22
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
If someone controls the government, they ARE the government. Government being defined as that entity which governs.
ahaha.. yeah.. the non public unelected one then.. heck.. let's just call it for what it is.. the real one. |
pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:26:00 -
[53]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Stuff
Pretty close to the truth there. You did get a few names wrong though it will be the U.A.F. (United American Federation) Also you didn't mention the rebellion (that will be called the Aztlan war) that will consist of a region stretching from southern California to Mexico city wanting independence. And you didn't mention the K.O.A.
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
And European police/army? I've heard nothing about that. Pics or it didn't happen. 
Well interpol is pretty much an EU police force...
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:30:00 -
[54]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/06/2008 17:32:52
Originally by: pwnedgato
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Stuff
Pretty close to the truth there. You did get a few names wrong though it will be the U.A.F. (United American Federation) Also you didn't mention the rebellion (that will be called the Aztlan war) that will consist of a region stretching from southern California to Mexico city wanting independence. And you didn't mention the K.O.A.
Originally by: ReaperOfSly
And European police/army? I've heard nothing about that. Pics or it didn't happen.
Well interpol is pretty much an EU police force...
well i like to tell people the surface of what they are up against, so that they know enough to have a willingness to stand up and not be scared completely ****less and run to the corner, sometimes you gotta run before you can walk, or you will never walk at all.
and if you know what you are talking about you also know who will come should it all come to fruition, so the potential victory of the evil empire will be quite short indeed, and i'll personally take great pleasure in seing the bastards get what they've got coming should they not reconsider.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
well i like to tell people the surface of what they are up against, so that they know enough to have a willingness to stand up and not be scared completely ****less and run to the corner, sometimes you gotta run before you can walk, or you will never walk at all.
EU - taking back independence from the USA since 1995.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. |
pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:41:00 -
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I've only recently been made aware of the full extent (or at least what I've been let in on) of the various plots running about currently. I have been preparing for several years already though just for different reasons. |
7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/06/2008 17:48:06
Originally by: pwnedgato
I've only recently been made aware of the full extent (or at least what I've been let in on) of the various plots running about currently. I have been preparing for several years already though just for different reasons.
oh yeah that's right you think you are going to be saved what's the saying again, never trust a snake? |
pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:47:00 -
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Saved? Of course not. I will do my best though. |
Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:51:00 -
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some people in this thread need to be locked up in a mental home.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.06.13 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/06/2008 17:53:10
Originally by: Thorliaron
some people in this thread need to be locked up in a mental home.
the real comedy is that you think you are the sane and rational one , it's both infinitely hilarious and infinitely sad at the same time.
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