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goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:53:00 - [61] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 13/06/2008 15:45:20 look you got the bush junior and senior both announcing the new world order publicly. you got the european union housing who looks exactly like the semi destroyed temple of babylon, what a damn coincidence huh. (don't believe me do an image comparison european parliament housing, temple of babel) you got pyramid on your soon to be obsolete currency with the all seing eye and the text saying "annuit coeptus novos ordos seclorum" -> today begins the conception of the new secular order / today is the new secular order concieved/birthed -> today begins the new world order, and so on. can't you see they are trying to fullfill this prophecy because they have been conned into thinking it is true? thinking that then the lord will come and save them and kill everyone else if they make a 1 world government and make everyone suffer for a while (see the days of tribulation in the bible). clueless idiots they are. what's important is that someone wakes THEM up, then everyone else will get there in due time. Sephra is in this thread, writing your postz.
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:54:00 - [62] Edited by: Isiskhan on 13/06/2008 17:55:36 I am for further integration amongst European countries, conspiranoid theories aside. My own country, Spain, spent several decades of the XX century in isolation under a fascist dictatorship, and when Paquito finally ditched it in '75, he left the country in a pretty backwards state in many different aspects: politically, economically, socially, infrastructure-wise, etc... After getting once again a new constitution and a democratic system, we joined the European Community (as it was known back then), and that provided a huge boost to our economy, international relations / trade, foreign investments, infrastructure (we didn't even have highways before European money arrived), legislation reforms, etc... to the point that the Spanish economy has become now the world's 8th largest one. We are now in the position of helping out new members of the EU (eastern countries) to get back on their feet, the same way the other nations helped us back in the '80s. The introduction of the Euro has been a very positive change in many different ways as well. I recall seeing years ago a bumper sticker in Britain saying something like "Save democracy, keep the Pound" - this sort of emotionally-fueled factually-free xenophobic mentality just provokes a chuckle in me. Regarding the comments about the EU eroding democracy of individual countries, I again have to chuckle. Of course you are giving up some independence as a nation when you join the EU - duh - but the idea is that overall European nations come out stronger as a united group. And when your own national government misbehaves, there's someone else on top to bring out the stick. Examples: some years ago, when we had the Conservative party in power, a national worker's strike against some labour reforms swept the nation, and yet the government lied to the people (mainly through Spain's equivalent to the BBC), about its impact, message, and reach. This was protested by the opposition parties to the European Parliament, which in turned forced the Spanish government to broadcast a public apology during the prime-time newscasts stating that they had indeed lied about the strike. In fact, I increasingly see that when the national government in power / big corporation conglomerates / etc... are trying to butt-*****the people in some way, the European institutions are asked to step in and bring out the stick, and so far I reckon they are doing a fine job at it (with plenty of room for improvement, of course).
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:54:00 - [63] i haven't seen sephra for a while, shame really, good effort on his part, hope he's doing well.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:57:00 - [64] Originally by: Isiskhan I am for further integration amongst European countries, conspiranoid theories aside. apparently the members of the european parliament are conspiranoid aswell.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:57:00 - [65] Originally by: 7shining7one7 i haven't seen sephra for a while, shame really, good effort on his part, hope he's doing well. I believe he left because he was posting political stuff in posts that werent about politics and in turn had his posts erased. But it started to get on the side of obnoxious rather then funny.
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:58:00 - [66] Edited by: pwnedgato on 13/06/2008 17:58:22 I do believe he is otherwise indisposed. If you haven't noticed the activity of informed people across various public forums has declined as of late. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:59:00 - [67] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: 7shining7one7 i haven't seen sephra for a while, shame really, good effort on his part, hope he's doing well. I believe he left because he was posting political stuff in posts that werent about politics and in turn had his posts erased. But it started to get on the side of obnoxious rather then funny. yeah i agree on that, he did his best with what he had though.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:00:00 - [68] Originally by: pwnedgato Edited by: pwnedgato on 13/06/2008 17:58:22 I do believe he is otherwise indisposed. If you haven't noticed the activity of informed people across various public forums has declined as of late. Well this is dependent on what you believe is"informed".
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:02:00 - [69] Whatever you believe you must agree that it is at least abnormal for a population's presence to dwindle so rapidly. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:02:00 - [70] Originally by: pwnedgato Edited by: pwnedgato on 13/06/2008 17:58:22 I do believe he is otherwise indisposed. If you haven't noticed the activity of informed people across various public forums has declined as of late. oh i know, i'm not worried though and they know why.
Shirley Serious Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:05:00 - [71] Originally by: pwnedgato Whatever you believe you must agree that it is at least abnormal for a population's presence to dwindle so rapidly. End of term for universities? So people aren't online so much as they move out for the summer? Or something else?
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:10:00 - [72] Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: pwnedgato Whatever you believe you must agree that it is at least abnormal for a population's presence to dwindle so rapidly. End of term for universities? So people aren't online so much as they move out for the summer? Or something else? oh yes that is exactly why ps: you are so cute and dearly loved.
Zephyr Rengate Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.06.13 18:24:00 - [73] Politics moar? Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I habe no life.
Privavarian Evil Activities Diabolic Paradox	Posted - 2008.06.13 21:34:00 - [74] Edited by: Privavarian on 13/06/2008 21:37:57 For what I have seen so far the US is much against as the EU as a big superstate with 1 joint army. Just because (not a joke) they think the US and the EU will be rivals. and therefor in the future may cause a threat.
TimMc Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:00:00 - [75] Originally by: hattifnatt Originally by: Kirjava To be fair it isn't democratic if less than 1.4m people, scupper the entire treaty in a bloc of 490m. Yes, it was going to reduce Ireland's power, it was going to make it 1 vote per person as opposed to 3M people having 1/27th of the vote. I am pro federalization of the EU for the record. It isnt very democratic that ireland was the ONLY country who even got to vote about it. This a thousand times. I think we should be voting for the EU government just like we do our own government. Currently its full of failed and self centred politicians. Governments now allowing us to vote on such a huge thing as this is disgusting, and hardly "democracy". We may have given them power for a few years, but there are a few things we shouldn't let them do.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:27:00 - [76] Originally by: Privavarian Edited by: Privavarian on 13/06/2008 21:37:57 For what I have seen so far the US is much against as the EU as a big superstate with 1 joint army. Just because (not a joke) they think the US and the EU will be rivals. and therefor in the future may cause a threat. Well.... sucks to be the USA with a big military epeen. Sorry but it really isn't any of the US's business if the EU wants to amalgamate its resources and streamline that may/may not make it exceed the capabilities of the US. We are more concerned with Chinas mushrooming military than US sulking over not being top dog. While the EU has a handful of socialistic tendancies, they are not the extreme that the USSR had nor are we the hardcore capitalists of the USA, we are a nice hybrid that suits our needs
Mtthias Clemi The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:24:00 - [77] I just had this discussion with my family! I dont understand why people think a 1 world government is a bad thing... Im all for a unified Europe, European president! The EU as an entity is the largest and richest economy in the world! Surely that tells you its a good thing.. if nothing else will.. Conspiracy theorists need to be ignored, and its a good job they are as far as im concerned.. Just a few points because im tired and this thread will get locked eventually and be pointless anyway. Once we are a unified planet we can look to solving the problems that have plagued us since society began, and those which we ourselves have created, rather than dealing with petty nationalistic ideals which hinder our development.
Mtthias Clemi The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:34:00 - [78] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Shirley Serious Originally by: pwnedgato Whatever you believe you must agree that it is at least abnormal for a population's presence to dwindle so rapidly. End of term for universities? So people aren't online so much as they move out for the summer? Or something else? oh yes that is exactly why ps: you are so cute and dearly loved. You understand by laughing in almost every post and making wild references to the matrix you lower credibility somewhat yes? I cant honestly be expected to take you seriously.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:39:00 - [79] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Privavarian Edited by: Privavarian on 13/06/2008 21:37:57 For what I have seen so far the US is much against as the EU as a big superstate with 1 joint army. Just because (not a joke) they think the US and the EU will be rivals. and therefor in the future may cause a threat. Well.... sucks to be the USA with a big military epeen. Sorry but it really isn't any of the US's business if the EU wants to amalgamate its resources and streamline that may/may not make it exceed the capabilities of the US. We are more concerned with Chinas mushrooming military than US sulking over not being top dog. While the EU has a handful of socialistic tendancies, they are not the extreme that the USSR had nor are we the hardcore capitalists of the USA, we are a nice hybrid that suits our needs Actually im all for the EU, aslong as the citizens are aswell that is. Because it would benefit america and give us a swift kick in the rear to develope technology and begin more space travel and such. America shines against a capable enemy and falls apart against strawmen.
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:40:00 - [80] Originally by: TimMc I think we should be voting for the EU government just like we do our own government. Currently its full of failed and self centred politicians. Actually, you do vote for the "EU government". That you're blissfully ignorant about this fact and how the EU institutions work - as do a lot of other Europeans - is a different matter. Since 1979, as a European, you have direct specific elections for the members of the European Parliament that will represent your country, once every five years. The European Council is composed out of the heads of state you voted during your national elections. The Council of the European Union is formed out of the very same national government ministers from the party you voted during your country's elections as well. Are you against further integration among European countries? Would you like your country's government to throw a referendum for the Lisbon treaty as Ireland did, instead of simply ratifying it in the name of the nation? Well, simply vote next time for a party that supports an anti-EU Constitution position and the like.
Sothis Antares PBA Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:46:00 - [81] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Once we are a unified planet we can look to solving the problems that have plagued us since society began, and those which we ourselves have created, rather than dealing with petty nationalistic ideals which hinder our development. i want to be a part of your pink world. this has nothing to do with conspiracy. It's just the carfulness some people still have in their minds these days, luckily. look back into history what can happen having all this yeasayers and don't-give-a-****-men. i really hope for you that you will wake up in your one-empire world, being a tool of the regime, a well-behaved worker living in a house with 20 credit cards, who can say to himself that he'll never get in conflict with law. at the latest when you find yourself innocent in prison and you ask them why and they answer you 'just because' you'll notice that something went wrong. _________________________________________________ devblogs are boring. so is mine :P
Mtthias Clemi The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.14 00:03:00 - [82] Originally by: Sothis Antares Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Once we are a unified planet we can look to solving the problems that have plagued us since society began, and those which we ourselves have created, rather than dealing with petty nationalistic ideals which hinder our development. i want to be a part of your pink world. this has nothing to do with conspiracy. It's just the carfulness some people still have in their minds these days, luckily. look back into history what can happen having all this yeasayers and don't-give-a-****-men. i really hope for you that you will wake up in your one-empire world, being a tool of the regime, a well-behaved worker living in a house with 20 credit cards, who can say to himself that he'll never get in conflict with law. at the latest when you find yourself innocent in prison and you ask them why and they answer you 'just because' you'll notice that something went wrong. Assumption of corrupt government achieves nothing, and i don't know where you are getting your financial information on me from because i don't have any credit cards and i don't intend to have any! NWO ranting and such is full of conspiracy, and that is to what i am referring. What is peoples problem with the slow advance of unification? You sound like my sister, who said she doesn't want to use Euros! she wants to use pounds.. she has no economic or political reason, its simply thats its what she grew up with.. The EU is made up almost entirely of elected officials from the member states, its hardly an all knowing dictatorship. Fine, the Irish people have rejected the treaty, thats a shame but its their choice i support my governments choice to go along with it.. they feel its the right thing, we elected them.. im fine with that. If we had to have a national vote for every action nothing would ever get done. Fear mongering annoys me.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.14 00:18:00 - [83] Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Originally by: Sothis Antares Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Once we are a unified planet we can look to solving the problems that have plagued us since society began, and those which we ourselves have created, rather than dealing with petty nationalistic ideals which hinder our development. i want to be a part of your pink world. this has nothing to do with conspiracy. It's just the carfulness some people still have in their minds these days, luckily. look back into history what can happen having all this yeasayers and don't-give-a-****-men. i really hope for you that you will wake up in your one-empire world, being a tool of the regime, a well-behaved worker living in a house with 20 credit cards, who can say to himself that he'll never get in conflict with law. at the latest when you find yourself innocent in prison and you ask them why and they answer you 'just because' you'll notice that something went wrong. Assumption of corrupt government achieves nothing, and i don't know where you are getting your financial information on me from because i don't have any credit cards and i don't intend to have any! NWO ranting and such is full of conspiracy, and that is to what i am referring. What is peoples problem with the slow advance of unification? You sound like my sister, who said she doesn't want to use Euros! she wants to use pounds.. she has no economic or political reason, its simply thats its what she grew up with.. The EU is made up almost entirely of elected officials from the member states, its hardly an all knowing dictatorship. Fine, the Irish people have rejected the treaty, thats a shame but its their choice i support my governments choice to go along with it.. they feel its the right thing, we elected them.. im fine with that. If we had to have a national vote for every action nothing would ever get done. Fear mongering annoys me. We're not ready yet, unification of europe? Fine, the world? No. We arent ready for two reasons... 1)All current government usually fixes problems by either blaming another country or starting a war, any other way would cause complete chaos. 2)All government will sooner or later become corrupt and fail, but since we have several countries they wont all at once and cause the dark ages/cause worldwide chaos, a world government would. In short, would it be great? Yes but we just arent ready.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.06.14 00:31:00 - [84] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 14/06/2008 00:37:32 Originally by: Mtthias Clemi I just had this discussion with my family! I dont understand why people think a 1 world government is a bad thing... Im all for a unified Europe, European president! The EU as an entity is the largest and richest economy in the world! Surely that tells you its a good thing.. if nothing else will.. Conspiracy theorists need to be ignored, and its a good job they are as far as im concerned.. Just a few points because im tired and this thread will get locked eventually and be pointless anyway. Once we are a unified planet we can look to solving the problems that have plagued us since society began, and those which we ourselves have created, rather than dealing with petty nationalistic ideals which hinder our development. i laugh because i'd rather laugh than cry, not because i think everything is just f'ing peachy compadre. you don't take me seriously because you have allready made up your mind and thus don't see anything else. no you can't say the same for me, i would really wish that all this was just a bunch of mumbojumbo, boy you have no idea how much i'd want that to be true. but i can't ignore what's going on and walk around with blinders on, and i have no idea how you go about doing so with peace of mind, i kind of envy that innocense, but on the other hand, i would rather see things as they are so i can make my choices, instead of walking straight off a cliff with blindfolds on while a guy is saying i'll go to some one world paradise if i just walk 5 more steps ahead. a one world government is bad because.. we're not at all ready for it. a one world government is bad because it's a move towards dictatorship, and then we might aswell go back to thousand years ago with emperors, monarchs, and servants/slaves and all that nice fuzzy stuff that came along with that, which was exactly what we fought to get rid of many many times throughout history, and that wasn't because it was made of awesome, it was because it was a horiffic system where the ruling class put themselves in that spot and ruthlessly used the rest of the people. And yes a monarchy or empire with an emperor is much more efficient for getting things done, only catch is.. what will be done is what the emperor wants done, and the emperor gives diddly squat about what the f you want, because he's the emperor, get it? gotten? good. a one world government is anything but a step towards progress if those that run it are not morally capable of not being self centered but instead living for the entire world rather than for just themselves, which is what such a task requires. a one world government is bad when those that are "elected" are not done so by the people which the government represents, nor follows the will of the people, but instead is put there by a few for the few, so they can do whatever the hell they want. democracy might slow down progress, till we are ready for something different. but untill we are ready it's damn sure a hell of a lot fairer and better than the alternative, because even though socalled democratic politics tend to be corrupt and slow in processing stuff, it pales in comparison to the horrific implications and actions that a one world government can undertake if it is corrupt also. if you put all your eggs in 1 basket and the basket can't hold the weight of the responsibility and becomes corrupted, then you are royally f'ed son, along with everyone else. that's why.
Mtthias Clemi The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.14 00:36:00 - [85] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Mtthias Clemi I just had this discussion with my family! I dont understand why people think a 1 world government is a bad thing... Im all for a unified Europe, European president! The EU as an entity is the largest and richest economy in the world! Surely that tells you its a good thing.. if nothing else will.. Conspiracy theorists need to be ignored, and its a good job they are as far as im concerned.. Just a few points because im tired and this thread will get locked eventually and be pointless anyway. Once we are a unified planet we can look to solving the problems that have plagued us since society began, and those which we ourselves have created, rather than dealing with petty nationalistic ideals which hinder our development. you don't take me seriously because you have allready made up your mind and thus don't see anything else. no you can't say the same for me, i would really wish that all this was just a bunch of mumbojumbo, boy you have no idea how much i'd want that to be true. but i can't ignore what's going on and walk around with blinders on, and i have no idea how you go about doing so with peace of mind, i kind of envy that innocense, but on the other hand, i would rather see things as they are so i can make my choices, instead of walking straight off a cliff with blindfolds on while a guy is saying i'll go to some paradise if i just walk 5 more steps ahead. a one world government is bad because.. we're not at all ready for it. a one world government is bad because it's a move towards dictatorship, and then we might aswell go back to thousand years ago with emperors, monarchs, and servants/slaves and all that nice fuzzy stuff that came along with that, which was exactly what we fought to get rid of many many times throughout history, and that wasn't because it was made of awesome, it was because it was a horiffic system where the ruling class put themselves in that spot and ruthlessly used the rest of the people. a one world government is anything but a step towards progress if those that run it are not morally capable of not being self centered but instead living for the entire world rather than for just themselves, which is what such a task requires. a one world government is bad when those that are "elected" are not done so by the people which the government represents, nor follows the will of the people, but instead is put there by a few for the few, so they can do whatever the hell they want. democracy might slow down progress, till we are ready for something different. but untill we are ready it's damn sure a hell of a lot fairer and better than the alternative, because even though socalled democratic politics tend to be corrupt and slow in processing stuff, it pales in comparison to the horrific implications and actions that a one world government can undertake if it is corrupt also. if you put all your eggs in 1 basket and the basket can't hold the weight of the responsibility and becomes corrupted, then you are royally f'ed son, along with everyone else. that's why. Thats what i wanted to hear! Better than "OMg u dont see lol" I agree we aren't ready for a world government, but this isnt that is it? Its a step towards a single government for an area which might one day become an area of a single government for the world, which will eventually be a good thing! If i was asked "Do we need a world government now?" I would say no.. but if we don't start in that direction, we aren't going to be there when we need to be.
Mtthias Clemi The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.14 00:51:00 - [86] It all comes down to whether or not you believe the world should eventually be governed as a single entity. I don't understand why people would not want that. Anyway, sleep time now.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.06.14 01:10:00 - [87] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 14/06/2008 01:12:14 Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Thats what i wanted to hear! Better than "OMg u dont see lol" I agree we aren't ready for a world government, but this isnt that is it? Its a step towards a single government for an area which might one day become an area of a single government for the world, which will eventually be a good thing! If i was asked "Do we need a world government now?" I would say no.. but if we don't start in that direction, we aren't going to be there when we need to be. i don't make a habit of telling people what they want to hear really. it is much more important to tell people what they don't want to hear, because what they want to hear they allready know. and i'm not interested in wheither you think i have credibility or not. but what you don't understand mtthas is that these people are so corrupt to a level you haven't even contemplated yet. now as to your case that it would be a good thing to move towards a one world government because it will help us get ready for it. well we've tried that in the past and it didn't work at all.. we didn't learn anything from that except that it was a really bad f'ing idea and then we fought and gave our lives to get rid of it. and these people, they are pushing for it, not because they are benevolent and wise and can properly administrate such power. but because they are greedy sob's with dreams of an empire of their own. now if you want to go through all of that again with the technology we have now to manipulate and control people, in the hopes that it will help prepare us for a time when we are ready for it, then all i can say is that is folly. because the suffering that will entail pails in comparison to any suffering of the past. they will be able to get to you in ways no emperor or monarchy in their wettest dreams dreamt possible. you won't be able to say, do or think anything that they don't want you to think or you get sent to jail, get a bullet in your head or loose all your fiscal ressources at the push of a button, and nobody will dare do anything because if they do they are next. and it will be ruthlessly efficient, but not good for anyone except those who run it. point and case and this is not even close to how it's going to be if this continues, how you liking that, is it all you hoped for? removing personal liberties isn't to make life more efficient or better for the people or to make them more secure, it's to make it easier for the upper class to control said people. because as george w bush junior said a couple of times, it'd be a heck of a lot easier if this was a dictatorship, just as long as i'm the dictator. and that's how the upper class think, they don't think like you. and it won't be good for the people at all.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.06.14 01:39:00 - [88] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 14/06/2008 01:45:52 oh yeah btw. what happened 6th of june (6) 2006 ? this might have passed you by. it's all about symbolism for these guys. same with 911. guess they get some perverse kick out of it too on some level, you know, get their rocks off. but that's cool right? "cause that's what we agree on in washington." don't matter what you agree on you see. not to them anyways.
Mtthias Clemi The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:28:00 - [89] So you've convinced yourself that everyone in power is an evil **** who wants to torture everyone and throw them in prison to establish their evil NWO? Interesting, i cant discuss something like this with someone who has already decided that his conspiracy theory's are correct and tangible fact is wrong. There is an extremely large difference between trying to conquer the world and unifying the world under a single banner. Last word from me on the subject tbh..
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:12:00 - [90] I would have voted "yes" if anyone had let me. Unfortunately, democracy isn't in particularly full force on this issue... ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.

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